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1. 03:23 AM - Re: RV-10 transition training (dmaib@me.com)
2. 06:19 AM - Re: RV-10 transition training (tsts4)
3. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: RV-10 transition training (Carl Froehlich)
4. 07:36 AM - Re: Re: RV-10 transition training (Bob Leffler)
5. 08:23 AM - Re: RV-10 transition training (tsts4)
6. 08:27 AM - intersection farings, bad fit, bad filler, home made is better (John Gonzalez)
7. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: RV-10 transition training (Carl Froehlich)
8. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 transition training (Bob Leffler)
9. 02:34 PM - Re: RV-10 transition training (Bob Turner)
10. 03:05 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 transition training (DLM)
11. 05:25 PM - Re: RV-10 transition training (Bob Turner)
12. 07:19 PM - Re: RV-10 transition training (rv10flyer)
13. 11:53 PM - RV10-List User Name (Gordon Anderson)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 transition training |
Carl, send me an email or PM. I should be able to help with your Transition Training.
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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
Transition Trainer
New Smyrna Beach, FL
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 transition training |
Carl,
I seen to recall Mitch Lock, Van's East Coast rep in Maryland, was providing transition
training. It might be worth and e-mail or call to find out for sure:
mitchl@vansaircraft.com, 240.427.8847
Let me know the results because I'll be needing transition training soon myself
and would prefer something local as well being just up I-95 from you.
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Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 transition training |
Todd,
That was Plan A - using the Van's RV-10 at St. Mary's in Maryland (about
10min by air from my place - VA42). Chip Lock told me this was no longer
available.
Swing by Dogwood and you can look over the project if you like.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:18 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 transition training
Carl,
I seen to recall Mitch Lock, Van's East Coast rep in Maryland, was providing
transition training. It might be worth and e-mail or call to find out for
sure: mitchl@vansaircraft.com, 240.427.8847
Let me know the results because I'll be needing transition training soon
myself and would prefer something local as well being just up I-95 from you.
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Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 transition training |
There are several very qualified cfi's providing transition training. I actually
decided to change cfi when somebody reconfigured their panel to something very
similar to mine. For me, I decided the transition training would be more
beneficial using the same efis and autopilot I have in my panel. Just something
you may want to consider besides geographic location.
Bob
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On Apr 15, 2012, at 9:18 AM, "tsts4" <tsts4@verizon.net> wrote:
Carl,
I seen to recall Mitch Lock, Van's East Coast rep in Maryland, was providing transition
training. It might be worth and e-mail or call to find out for sure:
mitchl@vansaircraft.com, 240.427.8847
Let me know the results because I'll be needing transition training soon myself
and would prefer something local as well being just up I-95 from you.
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Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370840#370840
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 transition training |
Bob,
Good point on the equipment. I'd like to transition with at least the same EFIS.
But first thing first, does anyone have a list of all the CFIs providing RV-10
transition training? If we collectively can come up with one perhaps we
can their avionics so pilots can have that info to help inform their choice.
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Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
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| Subject: | intersection farings, bad fit, bad filler, home made is better |
I used the term filler to describe a mixture of epoxy=2C chopped glass=2C c
otton flox=2C micro ballons- mixed in varing concentrations to make the sol
ution fill in gaps between where the faring is warped due to poor molding o
r removal from mold prior to full cure. You vary the cancentrations of each
component to make it strong and as light as possible. However=2C because t
he farings are built so poorly=2C they still come out leaving you with a de
sire for something more.
The included photos and the prior email I wrote decribe the materials used
to make your own. The thin aluminum flashing is used as a parting line off
the back of all intersection farings. you insert it between the gear leg fa
ring trailing edge.
The top faring is made from scratch. The bottom was Van's stock. The bottom
required so much work and they got so thick and heavy that I did them from
scratch on the top.
The top ones in these photos are only being held in place by their fit=2C n
o screws=2C tape or adheasive. They are light=2C thin=2C and strong and fit
perfectly because they were made on the plane.
The photos may be uploaded out of order.
John 409
intersection farings=2C bad fit=2C bad filler=2C home made is better
View photos Download all
You are invited to view John's album. This album has 10 files.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 transition training |
Bob,
Do you have a list of these CFI?
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 transition training
There are several very qualified cfi's providing transition training. I
actually decided to change cfi when somebody reconfigured their panel to
something very similar to mine. For me, I decided the transition training
would be more beneficial using the same efis and autopilot I have in my
panel. Just something you may want to consider besides geographic location.
Bob
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 15, 2012, at 9:18 AM, "tsts4" <tsts4@verizon.net> wrote:
Carl,
I seen to recall Mitch Lock, Van's East Coast rep in Maryland, was providing
transition training. It might be worth and e-mail or call to find out for
sure: mitchl@vansaircraft.com, 240.427.8847
Let me know the results because I'll be needing transition training soon
myself and would prefer something local as well being just up I-95 from you.
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370840#370840
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 transition training |
I don't have list that is compiled. I think most of them are pretty well know.
I am going with Alex D. Since he is the. My one that I am aware of that has
an AFS panel. David Maib and Pierre Smith are the only other east coast ones
that I'm aware. Also, be forewarned I know that several are considering stopping
due insurance rates increasing this year for loda trainers.
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 15, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@verizon.net> wrote:
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> Bob,
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> Do you have a list of these CFI?
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> Carl
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 10:36 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 transition training
>
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> There are several very qualified cfi's providing transition training. I
> actually decided to change cfi when somebody reconfigured their panel to
> something very similar to mine. For me, I decided the transition training
> would be more beneficial using the same efis and autopilot I have in my
> panel. Just something you may want to consider besides geographic location.
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> Bob
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Apr 15, 2012, at 9:18 AM, "tsts4" <tsts4@verizon.net> wrote:
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> Carl,
> I seen to recall Mitch Lock, Van's East Coast rep in Maryland, was providing
> transition training. It might be worth and e-mail or call to find out for
> sure: mitchl@vansaircraft.com, 240.427.8847
>
> Let me know the results because I'll be needing transition training soon
> myself and would prefer something local as well being just up I-95 from you.
>
> --------
> Todd Stovall
> 728TT (reserved)
> RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
> www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370840#370840
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 transition training |
Sort of a follow up on Bob's post:
I'm a cfii, and I went to the trouble of getting a letter of deviation authority
(LODA) from the local FSDO allowing me to give transition training in my RV-10.
Jenny at NationAir thought that I'd be acceptable to insurance companies.
However, I've been quoted an extra $2K, above and beyond what I pay now, for the
insurance. I'm just not sure the market in the Bay area (I'm at KLVK, 30 miles
east of SFO) can support that, financially, so I've held off on any advertising.
I was able to add my next-door hangar pilot to my existing policy for a
not-outrageous rate, so I will give him the instruction. I'd be curious to know
how many pilots, in a typical year, seek out or need RV-10 type-specific training.
As you are probably aware, CFI's are limited to that in their own airplanes.
No flight reviews, no IPCs, etc.
As to this thread: I wouldn't put too much weight on having the same EFIS. The
thrust of this training is really basic VFR piloting. I'd say what's more important,
can you land the plane if the EFIS totally quits? Which it may do on a
first flight. In a few hours of dual you really want to concentrate on making
flying the plane second nature, so that, when you do have your first flight,
you can be familiar enough with the flying that you can also look at engine instruments,
scan for traffic, etc. Once you're out of phase 1 then hire an instructor,
if need be, to instruct you in your plane, using your EFIS, autopilot,
GPS navigator, etc.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 transition training |
I trained 5 pilots at no charge except fuel; I was able to temporarily add
them to my insurance as named while training at no additional expense. If
you decide to try the LODA route your bucket can not be full (as a retiree,
mine was); the ability to provide specific endorsements, for example, high
performance or complex airplane (a normal result of transition training),
may not be acceptable in the LODA. I concur with the EFIS comment;
transition training is basic "fly the airplane" stuff, not button pushing.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 2:34 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 transition training
Sort of a follow up on Bob's post:
I'm a cfii, and I went to the trouble of getting a letter of deviation
authority (LODA) from the local FSDO allowing me to give transition training
in my RV-10. Jenny at NationAir thought that I'd be acceptable to insurance
companies. However, I've been quoted an extra $2K, above and beyond what I
pay now, for the insurance. I'm just not sure the market in the Bay area
(I'm at KLVK, 30 miles east of SFO) can support that, financially, so I've
held off on any advertising. I was able to add my next-door hangar pilot to
my existing policy for a not-outrageous rate, so I will give him the
instruction. I'd be curious to know how many pilots, in a typical year, seek
out or need RV-10 type-specific training. As you are probably aware, CFI's
are limited to that in their own airplanes. No flight reviews, no IPCs, etc.
As to this thread: I wouldn't put too much weight on having the same EFIS.
The thrust of this training is really basic VFR piloting. I'd say what's
more important, can you land the plane if the EFIS totally quits? Which it
may do on a first flight. In a few hours of dual you really want to
concentrate on making flying the plane second nature, so that, when you do
have your first flight, you can be familiar enough with the flying that you
can also look at engine instruments, scan for traffic, etc. Once you're out
of phase 1 then hire an instructor, if need be, to instruct you in your
plane, using your EFIS, autopilot, GPS navigator, etc.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370893#370893
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 transition training |
"I was able to temporarily add them to my insurance as named while training at
no additional expense"
Wow! That's what I've done too but it was not at no extra cost. Can you say who
you use as agent and what insurance company?
You're right about training in an experimental aircraft which the cfi provides,
for compensation or hire: The FAA will not allow anything other than "transition
training". Even though you accomplish all the things that would normally be
done in a Flight Review, or for a High Performance endorsement, my LODA explicitly
forbids me from signing off on these things.
(PS As I'm sure you know, a complex endorsement requires a retractable, so it's
not applicable to a -10 anyway).
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 transition training |
I did my training with David Maib and highly recommend him. I spent 5.8 hours learning
to fly the plane. Well worth the money.
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
40983SB 12/1/2009-12/1/2011
N715WD 382nd Flying. TT= 41
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| Subject: | RV10-List User Name |
Hi Matt,
Sorry to bother you, but I'm wanting to resurrect an RV-10 archive topic and I
can't find my Username to log on.
My previous messages appear under the name Gordon Anderson from e-mail address
"mregoan@hispeed.ch" but I can't find myself on the member list under any of
the obvious names (Anderson, Gordon, mregoan). Is there any way you can help
me find out the username?
Thanks a lot!
Gordon
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