---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/15/12: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:23 AM - Re: RV-10 transition training (dmaib@me.com) 2. 06:19 AM - Re: RV-10 transition training (tsts4) 3. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: RV-10 transition training (Carl Froehlich) 4. 07:36 AM - Re: Re: RV-10 transition training (Bob Leffler) 5. 08:23 AM - Re: RV-10 transition training (tsts4) 6. 08:27 AM - intersection farings, bad fit, bad filler, home made is better (John Gonzalez) 7. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: RV-10 transition training (Carl Froehlich) 8. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 transition training (Bob Leffler) 9. 02:34 PM - Re: RV-10 transition training (Bob Turner) 10. 03:05 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 transition training (DLM) 11. 05:25 PM - Re: RV-10 transition training (Bob Turner) 12. 07:19 PM - Re: RV-10 transition training (rv10flyer) 13. 11:53 PM - RV10-List User Name (Gordon Anderson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:56 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 transition training From: "dmaib@me.com" Carl, send me an email or PM. I should be able to help with your Transition Training. -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Transition Trainer New Smyrna Beach, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370830#370830 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:35 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 transition training From: "tsts4" Carl, I seen to recall Mitch Lock, Van's East Coast rep in Maryland, was providing transition training. It might be worth and e-mail or call to find out for sure: mitchl@vansaircraft.com, 240.427.8847 Let me know the results because I'll be needing transition training soon myself and would prefer something local as well being just up I-95 from you. -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370840#370840 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:40 AM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 transition training Todd, That was Plan A - using the Van's RV-10 at St. Mary's in Maryland (about 10min by air from my place - VA42). Chip Lock told me this was no longer available. Swing by Dogwood and you can look over the project if you like. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4 Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:18 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 transition training Carl, I seen to recall Mitch Lock, Van's East Coast rep in Maryland, was providing transition training. It might be worth and e-mail or call to find out for sure: mitchl@vansaircraft.com, 240.427.8847 Let me know the results because I'll be needing transition training soon myself and would prefer something local as well being just up I-95 from you. -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370840#370840 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 transition training From: Bob Leffler There are several very qualified cfi's providing transition training. I actually decided to change cfi when somebody reconfigured their panel to something very similar to mine. For me, I decided the transition training would be more beneficial using the same efis and autopilot I have in my panel. Just something you may want to consider besides geographic location. Bob Sent from my iPhone On Apr 15, 2012, at 9:18 AM, "tsts4" wrote: Carl, I seen to recall Mitch Lock, Van's East Coast rep in Maryland, was providing transition training. It might be worth and e-mail or call to find out for sure: mitchl@vansaircraft.com, 240.427.8847 Let me know the results because I'll be needing transition training soon myself and would prefer something local as well being just up I-95 from you. -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370840#370840 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:38 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 transition training From: "tsts4" Bob, Good point on the equipment. I'd like to transition with at least the same EFIS. But first thing first, does anyone have a list of all the CFIs providing RV-10 transition training? If we collectively can come up with one perhaps we can their avionics so pilots can have that info to help inform their choice. -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370858#370858 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:52 AM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RV10-List: intersection farings, bad fit, bad filler, home made is better I used the term filler to describe a mixture of epoxy=2C chopped glass=2C c otton flox=2C micro ballons- mixed in varing concentrations to make the sol ution fill in gaps between where the faring is warped due to poor molding o r removal from mold prior to full cure. You vary the cancentrations of each component to make it strong and as light as possible. However=2C because t he farings are built so poorly=2C they still come out leaving you with a de sire for something more. The included photos and the prior email I wrote decribe the materials used to make your own. The thin aluminum flashing is used as a parting line off the back of all intersection farings. you insert it between the gear leg fa ring trailing edge. The top faring is made from scratch. The bottom was Van's stock. The bottom required so much work and they got so thick and heavy that I did them from scratch on the top. The top ones in these photos are only being held in place by their fit=2C n o screws=2C tape or adheasive. They are light=2C thin=2C and strong and fit perfectly because they were made on the plane. The photos may be uploaded out of order. John 409 intersection farings=2C bad fit=2C bad filler=2C home made is better View photos Download all You are invited to view John's album. This album has 10 files. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:48:51 AM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 transition training Bob, Do you have a list of these CFI? Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 10:36 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 transition training There are several very qualified cfi's providing transition training. I actually decided to change cfi when somebody reconfigured their panel to something very similar to mine. For me, I decided the transition training would be more beneficial using the same efis and autopilot I have in my panel. Just something you may want to consider besides geographic location. Bob Sent from my iPhone On Apr 15, 2012, at 9:18 AM, "tsts4" wrote: Carl, I seen to recall Mitch Lock, Van's East Coast rep in Maryland, was providing transition training. It might be worth and e-mail or call to find out for sure: mitchl@vansaircraft.com, 240.427.8847 Let me know the results because I'll be needing transition training soon myself and would prefer something local as well being just up I-95 from you. -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370840#370840 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:43:41 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 transition training From: Bob Leffler I don't have list that is compiled. I think most of them are pretty well know. I am going with Alex D. Since he is the. My one that I am aware of that has an AFS panel. David Maib and Pierre Smith are the only other east coast ones that I'm aware. Also, be forewarned I know that several are considering stopping due insurance rates increasing this year for loda trainers. Sent from my iPad On Apr 15, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Carl Froehlich" wrote: > > Bob, > > Do you have a list of these CFI? > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 10:36 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 transition training > > > There are several very qualified cfi's providing transition training. I > actually decided to change cfi when somebody reconfigured their panel to > something very similar to mine. For me, I decided the transition training > would be more beneficial using the same efis and autopilot I have in my > panel. Just something you may want to consider besides geographic location. > > > > Bob > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 15, 2012, at 9:18 AM, "tsts4" wrote: > > > Carl, > I seen to recall Mitch Lock, Van's East Coast rep in Maryland, was providing > transition training. It might be worth and e-mail or call to find out for > sure: mitchl@vansaircraft.com, 240.427.8847 > > Let me know the results because I'll be needing transition training soon > myself and would prefer something local as well being just up I-95 from you. > > -------- > Todd Stovall > 728TT (reserved) > RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse > www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370840#370840 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:34:53 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 transition training From: "Bob Turner" Sort of a follow up on Bob's post: I'm a cfii, and I went to the trouble of getting a letter of deviation authority (LODA) from the local FSDO allowing me to give transition training in my RV-10. Jenny at NationAir thought that I'd be acceptable to insurance companies. However, I've been quoted an extra $2K, above and beyond what I pay now, for the insurance. I'm just not sure the market in the Bay area (I'm at KLVK, 30 miles east of SFO) can support that, financially, so I've held off on any advertising. I was able to add my next-door hangar pilot to my existing policy for a not-outrageous rate, so I will give him the instruction. I'd be curious to know how many pilots, in a typical year, seek out or need RV-10 type-specific training. As you are probably aware, CFI's are limited to that in their own airplanes. No flight reviews, no IPCs, etc. As to this thread: I wouldn't put too much weight on having the same EFIS. The thrust of this training is really basic VFR piloting. I'd say what's more important, can you land the plane if the EFIS totally quits? Which it may do on a first flight. In a few hours of dual you really want to concentrate on making flying the plane second nature, so that, when you do have your first flight, you can be familiar enough with the flying that you can also look at engine instruments, scan for traffic, etc. Once you're out of phase 1 then hire an instructor, if need be, to instruct you in your plane, using your EFIS, autopilot, GPS navigator, etc. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370893#370893 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:13 PM PST US From: "DLM" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 transition training I trained 5 pilots at no charge except fuel; I was able to temporarily add them to my insurance as named while training at no additional expense. If you decide to try the LODA route your bucket can not be full (as a retiree, mine was); the ability to provide specific endorsements, for example, high performance or complex airplane (a normal result of transition training), may not be acceptable in the LODA. I concur with the EFIS comment; transition training is basic "fly the airplane" stuff, not button pushing. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 2:34 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 transition training Sort of a follow up on Bob's post: I'm a cfii, and I went to the trouble of getting a letter of deviation authority (LODA) from the local FSDO allowing me to give transition training in my RV-10. Jenny at NationAir thought that I'd be acceptable to insurance companies. However, I've been quoted an extra $2K, above and beyond what I pay now, for the insurance. I'm just not sure the market in the Bay area (I'm at KLVK, 30 miles east of SFO) can support that, financially, so I've held off on any advertising. I was able to add my next-door hangar pilot to my existing policy for a not-outrageous rate, so I will give him the instruction. I'd be curious to know how many pilots, in a typical year, seek out or need RV-10 type-specific training. As you are probably aware, CFI's are limited to that in their own airplanes. No flight reviews, no IPCs, etc. As to this thread: I wouldn't put too much weight on having the same EFIS. The thrust of this training is really basic VFR piloting. I'd say what's more important, can you land the plane if the EFIS totally quits? Which it may do on a first flight. In a few hours of dual you really want to concentrate on making flying the plane second nature, so that, when you do have your first flight, you can be familiar enough with the flying that you can also look at engine instruments, scan for traffic, etc. Once you're out of phase 1 then hire an instructor, if need be, to instruct you in your plane, using your EFIS, autopilot, GPS navigator, etc. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370893#370893 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:25 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 transition training From: "Bob Turner" "I was able to temporarily add them to my insurance as named while training at no additional expense" Wow! That's what I've done too but it was not at no extra cost. Can you say who you use as agent and what insurance company? You're right about training in an experimental aircraft which the cfi provides, for compensation or hire: The FAA will not allow anything other than "transition training". Even though you accomplish all the things that would normally be done in a Flight Review, or for a High Performance endorsement, my LODA explicitly forbids me from signing off on these things. (PS As I'm sure you know, a complex endorsement requires a retractable, so it's not applicable to a -10 anyway). -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370905#370905 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:52 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 transition training From: "rv10flyer" I did my training with David Maib and highly recommend him. I spent 5.8 hours learning to fly the plane. Well worth the money. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08 40983SB 12/1/2009-12/1/2011 N715WD 382nd Flying. TT= 41 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370909#370909 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:59 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: RV10-List User Name From: Gordon Anderson Hi Matt, Sorry to bother you, but I'm wanting to resurrect an RV-10 archive topic and I can't find my Username to log on. My previous messages appear under the name Gordon Anderson from e-mail address "mregoan@hispeed.ch" but I can't find myself on the member list under any of the obvious names (Anderson, Gordon, mregoan). Is there any way you can help me find out the username? Thanks a lot! 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