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1. 05:26 AM - Re: Foreflight with Stratus Review (Jesse Saint)
2. 05:52 AM - Re: Foreflight with Stratus Review (Tim Olson)
3. 08:05 AM - White House user fee petition (Sheldon Olesen)
4. 08:23 AM - Re: White House user fee petition (Lyle Peterson)
5. 08:27 AM - Re: White House user fee petition (Tim Olson)
6. 08:31 AM - Re: White House user fee petition (bruce breckenridge)
7. 09:15 AM - Re: White House user fee petition (Dave Saylor)
8. 09:57 AM - Building and my knees - the last leg (long & personal) (Bill Watson)
9. 10:28 AM - Re: Building and my knees - the last leg (long & personal) (Robin Marks)
10. 11:21 AM - Starting the Annual Oshkosh Camping Thread (Sean Stephens)
11. 11:48 AM - Re: Building and my knees - the last leg (long & personal) (Michael Sausen)
12. 12:26 PM - Re: Building and my knees - the last leg (long & personal) (Jeff Carpenter)
13. 12:26 PM - Re: Starting the Annual Oshkosh Camping Thread (Bob Leffler)
14. 01:46 PM - Re: Building and my knees - the last leg (long & personal) (Kelly McMullen)
15. 01:56 PM - Re: Building and my knees - the last leg (long & personal) (Phillip Perry)
16. 03:17 PM - Re: Starting the Annual Oshkosh Camping Thread (Bob Condrey)
17. 05:19 PM - Re: White House user fee petition (Albert Gardner)
18. 05:47 PM - Re: White House user fee petition (Dave Saylor)
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| Subject: | Re: Foreflight with Stratus Review |
Thanks for the comments on the 3 different iPads. I will comment on the 16GB version,
which I have in the iPad 2. I do wish I had the 32GB version. That is probably
one of the main reasons I have not used WingX much. I was given a subscription
to the charts for a year, but because I can't download all of the charts
for both Foreflight and WingX (I usually try to keep most or all of the US
charts downloaded on Foreflight all the time, even though I very seldom fly out
West) as well as keep my other apps on the iPad. I do use the iPad for a lot
more than just flying, so if you are just flying, then 16GB should be plenty,
but if you want to have movies, audio, lots of apps, etc on the iPad as well
as Foreflight (uses a lot more storage than WingX), then you might want to look
at 32GB. Just my 2 cents (can't find the cents key on my Macbook).
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Apr 26, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
> Thanks Jesse. I just wanted to piggyback on your comments with an iPad observation.
Having owned all three (1, 2 & New) I really like the reduced cost of the
iPad 2 3G. Don't get me wrong the New iPad is nice with 4G and the retina screen
but it does get hotter that it's predecessors for sure and the minor weight
difference is noticeable. The New is definitely an improvement in screen
and speed but the iPad 2 seems to do it all quite well and with a minimum $100
savings. I say minimum because you can only get the 2 in a 16GB unit. When you
buy the New iPad you may be temped to get the 32 or 64GB as I did for a mere
$829.00 before mandatory cover. So $529.00 vs. $829.00. I know Tim O would chime
in with the need for extra storage but I have done everything I needed wo
going over my 16 GB with a little memory management.
> So my 2 (can't find the cents key on my iPad) are you have a choice between good
and better. You can't lose.
>
> Robin
> Sent from the new iPad
>
> On Apr 26, 2012, at 7:33 PM, "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>
>> I received my Stratus unit from Sporty's the other day and wanted to give a report on my impressions for the group. I know there is a lot of debate over which app is best for the iPad, especially with the new Garmin app released at Sun-N-Fun, but I'm going to try not to get into that beyond this statement. I have used Foreflight since version 1 or 2 and have only tried WingX a little. Because I am used to Foreflight and the navigation and functionality, I have not liked my experiences with WingX, but as has been said before, we like what we are used to. I use Foreflight for all of my flight planning (I usually use www.weathermeister.com<http://www.weathermeister.com> for keeping up with the weather for my trip, but use Foreflight for all actually route planning, flight plan filing, and charts and plates while flying). I have Foreflight on my iPad 2 Wifi and iPhone 4. I have used a bluetooth GPS that required jailbreaking the iPad, but when that broke (left it on the glarshield in the Florida sun for 3-4 hours one day and the battery swelled and broke the case), I bought the Bad Elf. I wasn't very happy with the Bad Elf because I didn't like having it attached to the iPad in use, especially when bouncing around in IMC. I almost pulled the trigger on the new iPad, in which case I would have bought the 4G version, but when I didn't get the call from MacMall on the day they were starting to ship (like they promised they would), I didn't follow through with the purchase.
>>
>> I was walking through the hangars at Sun-N-Fun and saw the Stratus on the first
day. After a short talk with a friend of mine, we decided to buy it. We had
both been saying that as soon as there was a portable ADS-B box that worked
with Foreflight, we would get it. We split the cost and ordered it as well as
the external antenna (which we haven't received yet). We mainly wanted ADS-B for
weather, because we were almost to the point of getting the unit that would
get XM weather onto the iPad, but liked the thought of no subscription better.
>>
>> We just made a flight in N33DQ (Cessna 182) from Arkansas to Florida through
a lot of IMC, but it was a couple of days too early for the Stratus. That would
be the real test, especially because of the ADS-B service areas and all of
the local radar activity. Unfortunately, the screen shots I have now are shots
with no rain within 250nm or more of where I was flying, and not a cloud in the
sky, but I will share some of them anyway.
>>
>> Now, for my experience with the Stratus. YMMV, but this is my thought after
my short time using it.
>>
>> For the cost, I think it's about as cheap as any ADS-B unit that I have seen,
and I figured it would cost about the same as a year work of activation and
subscription to XM with the better plan, not counting the XM hardware.
>>
>> As far as what coverage is available through ADS-B, I was pleasantly surprised
to find out today that winds aloft are actually available. There are no lightning
strikes or Echo Tops, but METARSs, TAFs, NOTAMs, Winds Aloft, Radar (high
resolution regional and low resolution nationwide) and PIREPs are all available
(among a few other things that I usually don't spend much time with). Personally
I really like flying with Echo Tops in the -10 because it usually accurately
lets me know if I will be able to get over the tops or will have to go
through. Lightning would be nice to have, but usually avoiding the red nexrad
(which is a good idea) will keep you away from most strikes (which is a very good
idea), in my experience. I will miss those two features, but the most important
features for me are METARs, TAFs and Radar.
>>
>> We took off from X35 with the Stratus on the glare shield of the RV-10 and watched
the LED's on the unit as well as the indication in Foreflight of when we
got a signal. We got the signal at about 5-600 feet AGL. Remember that we are
in central Florida, so the ADS-B coverage here is very good. We had as many
as 9 stations at a time in our short flight up to 5,500 feet MSL. I really like
the Status page (see attached pictures) that gives you the information on the
Stratus. It shows the connectivity, battery status, power source, etc and then
gives information on what data has been downloaded and how long ago. It also
shows the grid of satellites that the unit is receiving location from and how
good the signal is. The accuracy of location, including GPS altitude, is the
best I have seen among the bluetooth GPS, Bad Elf, onboard GPS and the Stratus,
with Accuracy usually 1-2m.
>>
>> As you can see from the pictures attached, and as I have already mentioned,
the weather here was way too good to get great pictures as to the usefulness of
the Stratus, but it's the best I can offer so far. I usually just keep up the
map screen with the Radar and Flight Rules shown. For information on a specific
airport, you can just tap on the dot and it will pull up the Metar (and TAF
and Winds Aloft if available). If you scroll down on the pop-up, you can see
the METARs of other local airports, as well as how old the report is. We must
have been getting some medium and/or high altitude ADS-B stations, because we
were getting national CONUS Radar as well as a good range of METARs, PIREPs,
etc.
>>
>> If you zoom out on the map, only the bigger airport Flight Rules show up. If
you zoom in, it shows everywhere that reports. It will also paint the surface
winds, cielings, temperature, dew point spread, cloud cover, etc. the same way
that it does the Flight Rules, but this display is my favorite for overall information.
It will only show one of these at a time, as well as Radar at the
same time. It will also show TFR's on the map for those who aren't flying "in
the system".
>>
>> My overall impression is very good. I am looking forward to taking a trip outside
the normally shown coverage area, especially after I get the external antenna,
so I can see how accurate the coverage maps are in the 10-18,000 foot range.
One nice thing is that if you are going through a relatively small area
of weak coverage, the information stays on the iPad. It just doesn't update, so
you still should have information, which will start updating as soon as you
get back within coverage.
>>
>> The battery on the Stratus has been quite impressive so far. It comes with a
USB cable for charging, as well as an AC adapter, but in a 45 minute flight the
battery was still in the 90%'s. It seemed to stay put really well on the glare
shield and it is low profile, so it doesn't get in my way at all for flying.
>>
>> Can it replace XM? In my opinion, for a great deal of my flying, yes, mainly
because of where I live and where and how I fly. I much prefer the screen size
of the iPad to the Garmin Aera, and I like the interface much better than the
Aera. As an all-in-one unit for flight planning, preflight weather, enroute
charts, plates, enroute weather (with the Stratus), I haven't used anything I
think would work better (especially for moving from plane to plane) than the iPad,
Foreflight and the Stratus. It is not for everybody, but for those within
the coverage area, who move from plane to plane, who don't want to have the monthly
subscription, I highly recommend it based on my experience so far. I'll
try to post again after I have taken it on a longer trip through some IMC.
>>
>> One thing I would really like to see in Foreflight would be a Winds Aloft display
on the map, like with most XM products. They have surface winds at airports,
which helps, but picking an altitude with Winds Aloft information would help.
It does calculate Time Enroute and overall wind effect for your route in
the route planner, so I guess you could pick different altitudes and see which
one would be fastest, but it would be nice to have a chart (like on the Flight
Cheetah, for the few of you who might have flown with it).
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> jesse@saintaviation.com<mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>> C: 352-427-0285
>> F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: Foreflight with Stratus Review |
And I use my iPad with both Foreflight and WingX (and I had skycharts on
there long ago too but never use it anymore). I also use mine for
work (remote access) a bunch, and it's also an entertainment device on
vacations....movies mostly. So for me, 32Gb would be a minimum,
and 64Gb is do-able. In fact, my biggest complaint about the iPhone
and iPad is that I wish each had one model higher in capacity.
I could really use 64Gb on my iPhone, and I'd love a 128Gb iPad.
It's the primary reason I didn't buy an iPhone 4S and "New" iPad...had
they increased the capacity I'd have bought one the first day.
So Robin is right....you can really save money and if you only want
to use it for flying and some minor things, a 16Gb model would work
but we aware that you will only be able to have one major app on
there for flight software, most likely. I'd *always* recommend
the 3G/4G models because even when just in the car the built-in
GPS is worth the extra, if you use it for any navigation or mapping.
(I keep a road GPS app on there too, with all US coverage)
So for many non-entertainment users, 32Gb would be a logical happy
medium. If you have kids though, spring for the biggest one you
can find. We loaded all of our iPads and iPhones up with movies
and entertainment for our last trip and it was nice to have.
Tim
On 4/27/2012 7:23 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint<jesse@saintaviation.com>
>
> Thanks for the comments on the 3 different iPads. I will comment on the 16GB
version, which I have in the iPad 2. I do wish I had the 32GB version. That is
probably one of the main reasons I have not used WingX much. I was given a subscription
to the charts for a year, but because I can't download all of the charts
for both Foreflight and WingX (I usually try to keep most or all of the
US charts downloaded on Foreflight all the time, even though I very seldom fly
out West) as well as keep my other apps on the iPad. I do use the iPad for a
lot more than just flying, so if you are just flying, then 16GB should be plenty,
but if you want to have movies, audio, lots of apps, etc on the iPad as well
as Foreflight (uses a lot more storage than WingX), then you might want to
look at 32GB. Just my 2 cents (can't find the cents key on my Macbook).
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> On Apr 26, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jesse. I just wanted to piggyback on your comments with an iPad observation.
Having owned all three (1, 2& New) I really like the reduced cost of
the iPad 2 3G. Don't get me wrong the New iPad is nice with 4G and the retina
screen but it does get hotter that it's predecessors for sure and the minor weight
difference is noticeable. The New is definitely an improvement in screen
and speed but the iPad 2 seems to do it all quite well and with a minimum $100
savings. I say minimum because you can only get the 2 in a 16GB unit. When you
buy the New iPad you may be temped to get the 32 or 64GB as I did for a mere
$829.00 before mandatory cover. So $529.00 vs. $829.00. I know Tim O would chime
in with the need for extra storage but I have done everything I needed wo
going over my 16 GB with a little memory management.
>> So my 2 (can't find the cents key on my iPad) are you have a choice between
good and better. You can't lose.
>>
>> Robin
>> Sent from the new iPad
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 7:33 PM, "Jesse Saint"<jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I received my Stratus unit from Sporty's the other day and wanted to give a report on my impressions for the group. I know there is a lot of debate over which app is best for the iPad, especially with the new Garmin app released at Sun-N-Fun, but I'm going to try not to get into that beyond this statement. I have used Foreflight since version 1 or 2 and have only tried WingX a little. Because I am used to Foreflight and the navigation and functionality, I have not liked my experiences with WingX, but as has been said before, we like what we are used to. I use Foreflight for all of my flight planning (I usually use www.weathermeister.com<http://www.weathermeister.com> for keeping up with the weather for my trip, but use Foreflight for all actually route planning, flight plan filing, and charts and plates while flying). I have Foreflight on my iPad 2 Wifi and iPhone 4. I have used a bluetooth GPS that required jailbreaking the iPad, but when that broke (left it on the gla!
rs!
> hield in the Florida sun for 3-4 hours one day and the battery swelled and
broke the case), I bought the Bad Elf. I wasn't very happy with the Bad Elf because
I didn't like having it attached to the iPad in use, especially when bouncing
around in IMC. I almost pulled the trigger on the new iPad, in which case
I would have bought the 4G version, but when I didn't get the call from MacMall
on the day they were starting to ship (like they promised they would), I didn't
follow through with the purchase.
>>>
>>> I was walking through the hangars at Sun-N-Fun and saw the Stratus on the first
day. After a short talk with a friend of mine, we decided to buy it. We had
both been saying that as soon as there was a portable ADS-B box that worked
with Foreflight, we would get it. We split the cost and ordered it as well as
the external antenna (which we haven't received yet). We mainly wanted ADS-B
for weather, because we were almost to the point of getting the unit that would
get XM weather onto the iPad, but liked the thought of no subscription better.
>>>
>>> We just made a flight in N33DQ (Cessna 182) from Arkansas to Florida through
a lot of IMC, but it was a couple of days too early for the Stratus. That would
be the real test, especially because of the ADS-B service areas and all of
the local radar activity. Unfortunately, the screen shots I have now are shots
with no rain within 250nm or more of where I was flying, and not a cloud in
the sky, but I will share some of them anyway.
>>>
>>> Now, for my experience with the Stratus. YMMV, but this is my thought after
my short time using it.
>>>
>>> For the cost, I think it's about as cheap as any ADS-B unit that I have seen,
and I figured it would cost about the same as a year work of activation and
subscription to XM with the better plan, not counting the XM hardware.
>>>
>>> As far as what coverage is available through ADS-B, I was pleasantly surprised
to find out today that winds aloft are actually available. There are no lightning
strikes or Echo Tops, but METARSs, TAFs, NOTAMs, Winds Aloft, Radar (high
resolution regional and low resolution nationwide) and PIREPs are all available
(among a few other things that I usually don't spend much time with). Personally
I really like flying with Echo Tops in the -10 because it usually accurately
lets me know if I will be able to get over the tops or will have to go
through. Lightning would be nice to have, but usually avoiding the red nexrad
(which is a good idea) will keep you away from most strikes (which is a very
good idea), in my experience. I will miss those two features, but the most important
features for me are METARs, TAFs and Radar.
>>>
>>> We took off from X35 with the Stratus on the glare shield of the RV-10 and
watched the LED's on the unit as well as the indication in Foreflight of when
we got a signal. We got the signal at about 5-600 feet AGL. Remember that we are
in central Florida, so the ADS-B coverage here is very good. We had as many
as 9 stations at a time in our short flight up to 5,500 feet MSL. I really like
the Status page (see attached pictures) that gives you the information on the
Stratus. It shows the connectivity, battery status, power source, etc and then
gives information on what data has been downloaded and how long ago. It also
shows the grid of satellites that the unit is receiving location from and how
good the signal is. The accuracy of location, including GPS altitude, is the
best I have seen among the bluetooth GPS, Bad Elf, onboard GPS and the Stratus,
with Accuracy usually 1-2m.
>>>
>>> As you can see from the pictures attached, and as I have already mentioned,
the weather here was way too good to get great pictures as to the usefulness
of the Stratus, but it's the best I can offer so far. I usually just keep up the
map screen with the Radar and Flight Rules shown. For information on a specific
airport, you can just tap on the dot and it will pull up the Metar (and TAF
and Winds Aloft if available). If you scroll down on the pop-up, you can see
the METARs of other local airports, as well as how old the report is. We must
have been getting some medium and/or high altitude ADS-B stations, because we
were getting national CONUS Radar as well as a good range of METARs, PIREPs,
etc.
>>>
>>> If you zoom out on the map, only the bigger airport Flight Rules show up. If
you zoom in, it shows everywhere that reports. It will also paint the surface
winds, cielings, temperature, dew point spread, cloud cover, etc. the same way
that it does the Flight Rules, but this display is my favorite for overall
information. It will only show one of these at a time, as well as Radar at the
same time. It will also show TFR's on the map for those who aren't flying "in
the system".
>>>
>>> My overall impression is very good. I am looking forward to taking a trip outside
the normally shown coverage area, especially after I get the external antenna,
so I can see how accurate the coverage maps are in the 10-18,000 foot
range. One nice thing is that if you are going through a relatively small area
of weak coverage, the information stays on the iPad. It just doesn't update,
so you still should have information, which will start updating as soon as you
get back within coverage.
>>>
>>> The battery on the Stratus has been quite impressive so far. It comes with
a USB cable for charging, as well as an AC adapter, but in a 45 minute flight
the battery was still in the 90%'s. It seemed to stay put really well on the glare
shield and it is low profile, so it doesn't get in my way at all for flying.
>>>
>>> Can it replace XM? In my opinion, for a great deal of my flying, yes, mainly
because of where I live and where and how I fly. I much prefer the screen size
of the iPad to the Garmin Aera, and I like the interface much better than the
Aera. As an all-in-one unit for flight planning, preflight weather, enroute
charts, plates, enroute weather (with the Stratus), I haven't used anything I
think would work better (especially for moving from plane to plane) than the
iPad, Foreflight and the Stratus. It is not for everybody, but for those within
the coverage area, who move from plane to plane, who don't want to have the
monthly subscription, I highly recommend it based on my experience so far. I'll
try to post again after I have taken it on a longer trip through some IMC.
>>>
>>> One thing I would really like to see in Foreflight would be a Winds Aloft display
on the map, like with most XM products. They have surface winds at airports,
which helps, but picking an altitude with Winds Aloft information would
help. It does calculate Time Enroute and overall wind effect for your route in
the route planner, so I guess you could pick different altitudes and see which
one would be fastest, but it would be nice to have a chart (like on the Flight
Cheetah, for the few of you who might have flown with it).
>>>
>>> Jesse Saint
>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>> jesse@saintaviation.com<mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>> C: 352-427-0285
>>> F: 815-377-3694
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There is a petition on the White House website asking for an explanation of the
proposed $100 user fee. There needs to be 25,000 signatures for the White House
to respond. They are 23,000 + short. Sign up if you would like an explanation
of how they came up with the $100 fee. There is a May 16 deadline to raise
the required number of signatures. I copied the address off the White House
website:
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/explain-detail-its-continued-push-100-segment-aviation-user-fee/jKggNYsT?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl
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N475PV 380 hours
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| Subject: | Re: White House user fee petition |
I went to the site a moment ago. "This section of our site is currently
undergoing maintenance."
I had best not get started!
On 4/27/2012 10:02 AM, Sheldon Olesen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sheldon Olesen<saolesen@sirentel.net>
>
>
> There is a petition on the White House website asking for an explanation of the
proposed $100 user fee. There needs to be 25,000 signatures for the White
House to respond. They are 23,000 + short. Sign up if you would like an explanation
of how they came up with the $100 fee. There is a May 16 deadline to raise
the required number of signatures. I copied the address off the White House
website:
>
> https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/explain-detail-its-continued-push-100-segment-aviation-user-fee/jKggNYsT?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl
>
>
> Sheldon Olesen
> N475PV 380 hours
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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MBS, AMA, MSCE, EAA Chapter 237
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| Subject: | Re: White House user fee petition |
Thanks for posting! I just signed it today!
Tim
On 4/27/2012 10:02 AM, Sheldon Olesen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sheldon
> Olesen<saolesen@sirentel.net>
>
>
> There is a petition on the White House website asking for an
> explanation of the proposed $100 user fee. There needs to be 25,000
> signatures for the White House to respond. They are 23,000 + short.
> Sign up if you would like an explanation of how they came up with the
> $100 fee. There is a May 16 deadline to raise the required number of
> signatures. I copied the address off the White House website:
>
> https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/explain-detail-its-continued-push-100-segment-aviation-user-fee/jKggNYsT?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl
>
>
> Sheldon Olesen N475PV 380 hours
>
> Do Not Archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: White House user fee petition |
That was fast! I was just there, created my "account", and did my vote.
Bruce
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Lyle Peterson <lyleap@comcast.net> wrote:
> I went to the site a moment ago. "This section of our site is currently
> undergoing maintenance."
>
> I had best not get started!
>
> On 4/27/2012 10:02 AM, Sheldon Olesen wrote:
>
saolesen@sirentel.net>
>
>
> There is a petition on the White House website asking for an explanation
of the proposed $100 user fee. There needs to be 25,000 signatures for the
White House to respond. They are 23,000 + short. Sign up if you would li
ke an explanation of how they came up with the $100 fee. There is a May 16
deadline to raise the required number of signatures. I copied the address
off the White House website:
> https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/explain-detail-its-conti
nued-push-100-segment-aviation-user-fee/jKggNYsT?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_me
dium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl
>
>
> Sheldon Olesen
> N475PV 380 hours
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> --
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> MBS, AMA, MSCE, EAA Chapter 237 **
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Done, easy. 23,000 to go...
--Dave Saylor
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Sheldon Olesen <saolesen@sirentel.net>wrote:
>
>
> There is a petition on the White House website asking for an explanation
> of the proposed $100 user fee. There needs to be 25,000 signatures for the
> White House to respond. They are 23,000 + short. Sign up if you would
> like an explanation of how they came up with the $100 fee. There is a May
> 16 deadline to raise the required number of signatures. I copied the
> address off the White House website:
>
>
> https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/explain-detail-its-continued-push-100-segment-aviation-user-fee/jKggNYsT?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl
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| Subject: | Building and my knees - the last leg (long & personal) |
Having just returned from my doctor's office with a relatively clean
bill of health, I thought I'd share the story of my knees.
Background; I've had bad knees since adolescence. The initial diagnosis
was something called "Osgood-Schlatter Disease" while in junior high. I
was threatened with an immobilizing cast on the left knee if I didn't
RICE it (Rest, Ice, Compression and Elevation). Training to become a
tackling dummy, I stressed them in the weight room and never made it to
summer practice in high school. So instead I swam, played volleyball,
jogged and RICEd the knees as required.
Thirty-some years later, I started building the '10. The knees had aged
gracefully. Naproxen was always effective and recently became cheap
(Alleve). However, a scan some years ago had shown that I had tears
in the menisci and that surgery would be required at some point. Carpet
or rubber pads on the floor kept the pain and swelling down for the most
part. Otherwise it was a comfortable build since I was lucky enough to
have my workshop/hangar 200 yards out back along with a Maule to fly
while maintaining a steady but leisurely building pace.
The '10 was getting close to flight. Painting started in late 2010 and
I actually had a schedule laid out for completing the paint and doing
the final assembly. I also decided to get arthroscopic surgery on both
knees following final assembly.
Yes, I was 99% done, 99% to go, or however that saying goes.
I first discovered that you can't paint in the winter so the schedule
started to fall apart. When spring returned, the painting was completed
and only final assembly remained. The plan was to take the project to
another airport with a hard surface runway and friendlier terrain for
the initial flights. The challenge was to find some hangar space at a
nearby airport where the project could be completed.
It worked out better than I could have expected. The airport manager at
the nearest airport graciously agreed to let me do the assembly in his
main hangar. It had a painted floor, great lighting, friendly dogs, and
a mechanic who freely shared his tools and expertise. The '10 was
trucked in and assembly began.
However, when the painting was halted for winter, I stayed with the
schedule for bilateral arthroscopic knee surgery. Recovery hurt, but
throughout, the medical team encouraged movement and use of the knees.
When asked, "can I resume normal activities?" The answer was always a
qualified "yes, as much as you can do comfortably".
They have no idea how motivated a homebuilder is, especially on the eve
of flight. And I had no idea how much harder I would work now that I
was away from home and in borrowed space.
Once the final assembly began my days started at sunrise when I had the
privilege of jumping in the Maule with a couple of tool boxes and flying
to my temporary workshop. The airport manager/mechanic worked 8
hours/day, 7 days/week so I did too.
Standing, walking, stooping all put stress on my recently cleaned up
knees. There was pain so I RICEd them when I could. However, the bar
on "what I could do comfortably" had risen. At post-operative checkups,
I told the doctor of the pain and he could see the swelling. We tried
cortisone shots to see if we could get back on the curve towards
recovery. Things would get a little better before getting worse again.
The '10 was looking fantastic! Wings on, seats in, wiring completed...
each step more exciting. Commuting by Maule each day was some of the
best flying I had done since starting the project. With summer temps, I
removed the door on the Maule for some open cockpit fun. But as you can
imagine, the final assembly took 2 or 3 times longer than expected
though it was moving forward without a hitch. That is, except for the
fact that I could barely step up into the Maule and was otherwise
severely hobbled. The fact that my airport host crunched around all
day, without complaint, on an artificial leg probably spurred me on even
further. Though every time he dropped to his knee with a sound only
titanium on concrete can make, it did get my attention.
First flight and the RV grin; it was better than I could have imagined
and it just keeps getting better. The '10 is a fantastic aircraft!!
Really!!! Yes, I'm very proud of having built it but the real kudos go
to Vans for the design and the (quick build) kit. The build was fun,
the flying even better!
Anyway, four months after first flight and one year after surgery, I was
still hobbled and in pain. The doctor went from dismissal to concern
and we decided to do an MRI. I knew my knees were bad but it didn't
sink until I realized that the doctor and his team were a bit shocked
and surprised by what they saw. My left knee in particular looked worse
than before the surgery. It was all rough surfaces with several pieces
of stuff floating around.
So, we re-did the surgery on the left knee. This time I RICEd them more
aggressively as I balanced the injectors on the '540. Five months after
the second surgery, I seem to be on a path to recovery.
Earlier today, my doctor finally smiled and with some relief "released"
me. I admitted that I knew I was abusing my knees after the first
surgery but continued nonetheless. He admitted to having made the
mistake of relying on a patient's tendency to self-limit their
activities based on the pain. It appears that the challenge with most
patients is to keep them moving to maintain flexibility and strength.
With a motivated '10 builder, the challenge was to get me to slow down
and treat my health with the respect it required.
Screwing up my knees is the ONLY regret I have with the experience, but
it was worth it anyway.
Bill "hoping this story is of some value to someone" Watson
http://www.mykitlog.com/mauledriver
N215TG
40605
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| Subject: | Re: Building and my knees - the last leg (long & personal) |
Sorry to hear about your knees Bill.
I have one knee pad observation. About a year ago I was stumbling through an army/navy
store when I came across the knee and elbow pads our boys wear when in
country. The knee pads are the best I have ever seen or used. Very comfortable
with both wrap around fabric with Velcro plus upper and lower straps that can
be crossed or strung straight. They have a hard knee cap with a padded section
above and below the knee cap for added protection. They can be worn for long
periods of time comfortably without slipping. And the best part is I paid $10.00
a set. Your tax dollars at work.
Robin
Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
Having just returned from my doctor's office with a relatively clean
bill of health, I thought I'd share the story of my knees.
Background; I've had bad knees since adolescence. The initial diagnosis
was something called "Osgood-Schlatter Disease" while in junior high. I
was threatened with an immobilizing cast on the left knee if I didn't
RICE it (Rest, Ice, Compression and Elevation). Training to become a
tackling dummy, I stressed them in the weight room and never made it to
summer practice in high school. So instead I swam, played volleyball,
jogged and RICEd the knees as required.
Thirty-some years later, I started building the '10. The knees had aged
gracefully. Naproxen was always effective and recently became cheap
(Alleve). However, a scan some years ago had shown that I had tears
in the menisci and that surgery would be required at some point. Carpet
or rubber pads on the floor kept the pain and swelling down for the most
part. Otherwise it was a comfortable build since I was lucky enough to
have my workshop/hangar 200 yards out back along with a Maule to fly
while maintaining a steady but leisurely building pace.
The '10 was getting close to flight. Painting started in late 2010 and
I actually had a schedule laid out for completing the paint and doing
the final assembly. I also decided to get arthroscopic surgery on both
knees following final assembly.
Yes, I was 99% done, 99% to go, or however that saying goes.
I first discovered that you can't paint in the winter so the schedule
started to fall apart. When spring returned, the painting was completed
and only final assembly remained. The plan was to take the project to
another airport with a hard surface runway and friendlier terrain for
the initial flights. The challenge was to find some hangar space at a
nearby airport where the project could be completed.
It worked out better than I could have expected. The airport manager at
the nearest airport graciously agreed to let me do the assembly in his
main hangar. It had a painted floor, great lighting, friendly dogs, and
a mechanic who freely shared his tools and expertise. The '10 was
trucked in and assembly began.
However, when the painting was halted for winter, I stayed with the
schedule for bilateral arthroscopic knee surgery. Recovery hurt, but
throughout, the medical team encouraged movement and use of the knees.
When asked, "can I resume normal activities?" The answer was always a
qualified "yes, as much as you can do comfortably".
They have no idea how motivated a homebuilder is, especially on the eve
of flight. And I had no idea how much harder I would work now that I
was away from home and in borrowed space.
Once the final assembly began my days started at sunrise when I had the
privilege of jumping in the Maule with a couple of tool boxes and flying
to my temporary workshop. The airport manager/mechanic worked 8
hours/day, 7 days/week so I did too.
Standing, walking, stooping all put stress on my recently cleaned up
knees. There was pain so I RICEd them when I could. However, the bar
on "what I could do comfortably" had risen. At post-operative checkups,
I told the doctor of the pain and he could see the swelling. We tried
cortisone shots to see if we could get back on the curve towards
recovery. Things would get a little better before getting worse again.
The '10 was looking fantastic! Wings on, seats in, wiring completed...
each step more exciting. Commuting by Maule each day was some of the
best flying I had done since starting the project. With summer temps, I
removed the door on the Maule for some open cockpit fun. But as you can
imagine, the final assembly took 2 or 3 times longer than expected
though it was moving forward without a hitch. That is, except for the
fact that I could barely step up into the Maule and was otherwise
severely hobbled. The fact that my airport host crunched around all
day, without complaint, on an artificial leg probably spurred me on even
further. Though every time he dropped to his knee with a sound only
titanium on concrete can make, it did get my attention.
First flight and the RV grin; it was better than I could have imagined
and it just keeps getting better. The '10 is a fantastic aircraft!!
Really!!! Yes, I'm very proud of having built it but the real kudos go
to Vans for the design and the (quick build) kit. The build was fun,
the flying even better!
Anyway, four months after first flight and one year after surgery, I was
still hobbled and in pain. The doctor went from dismissal to concern
and we decided to do an MRI. I knew my knees were bad but it didn't
sink until I realized that the doctor and his team were a bit shocked
and surprised by what they saw. My left knee in particular looked worse
than before the surgery. It was all rough surfaces with several pieces
of stuff floating around.
So, we re-did the surgery on the left knee. This time I RICEd them more
aggressively as I balanced the injectors on the '540. Five months after
the second surgery, I seem to be on a path to recovery.
Earlier today, my doctor finally smiled and with some relief "released"
me. I admitted that I knew I was abusing my knees after the first
surgery but continued nonetheless. He admitted to having made the
mistake of relying on a patient's tendency to self-limit their
activities based on the pain. It appears that the challenge with most
patients is to keep them moving to maintain flexibility and strength.
With a motivated '10 builder, the challenge was to get me to slow down
and treat my health with the respect it required.
Screwing up my knees is the ONLY regret I have with the experience, but
it was worth it anyway.
Bill "hoping this story is of some value to someone" Watson
http://www.mykitlog.com/mauledriver
N215TG
40605
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| Subject: | Starting the Annual Oshkosh Camping Thread |
Thought I'd kick start the yearly OSH camping thread... :)
Being a first time OSH camper this year I was curious if arriving the
Saturday before the show is enough to get a halfway decent spot. I know
the group HQ stake-out is no longer happening, but I'm assuming everyone
tries to get in the same area as the HQ has been? Just wondering if the
Sat. before is soon enough to get that area.
-Sean #40303
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| Subject: | Building and my knees - the last leg (long & personal) |
Bill, glad to see you are finally recovering. I've torn the meniscus in both my
knees, once in my late teens and once again last year. The one last year I
had repaired in January and I'm lucky enough to say that I'm back at 100%. But
much like you I over did it in the beginning which lengthened the full recovery.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 11:56 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Building and my knees - the last leg (long & personal)
Having just returned from my doctor's office with a relatively clean bill of health,
I thought I'd share the story of my knees.
Background; I've had bad knees since adolescence. The initial diagnosis was something
called "Osgood-Schlatter Disease" while in junior high. I was threatened
with an immobilizing cast on the left knee if I didn't RICE it (Rest, Ice,
Compression and Elevation). Training to become a tackling dummy, I stressed
them in the weight room and never made it to summer practice in high school.
So instead I swam, played volleyball, jogged and RICEd the knees as required.
Thirty-some years later, I started building the '10. The knees had aged gracefully.
Naproxen was always effective and recently became cheap
(Alleve). However, a scan some years ago had shown that I had tears
in the menisci and that surgery would be required at some point. Carpet or rubber
pads on the floor kept the pain and swelling down for the most part. Otherwise
it was a comfortable build since I was lucky enough to have my workshop/hangar
200 yards out back along with a Maule to fly while maintaining a steady
but leisurely building pace.
The '10 was getting close to flight. Painting started in late 2010 and I actually
had a schedule laid out for completing the paint and doing the final assembly.
I also decided to get arthroscopic surgery on both knees following final
assembly.
Yes, I was 99% done, 99% to go, or however that saying goes.
I first discovered that you can't paint in the winter so the schedule started to
fall apart. When spring returned, the painting was completed and only final
assembly remained. The plan was to take the project to another airport with
a hard surface runway and friendlier terrain for the initial flights. The challenge
was to find some hangar space at a nearby airport where the project could
be completed.
It worked out better than I could have expected. The airport manager at the nearest
airport graciously agreed to let me do the assembly in his main hangar.
It had a painted floor, great lighting, friendly dogs, and a mechanic who freely
shared his tools and expertise. The '10 was trucked in and assembly began.
However, when the painting was halted for winter, I stayed with the schedule for
bilateral arthroscopic knee surgery. Recovery hurt, but throughout, the medical
team encouraged movement and use of the knees.
When asked, "can I resume normal activities?" The answer was always a qualified
"yes, as much as you can do comfortably".
They have no idea how motivated a homebuilder is, especially on the eve of flight.
And I had no idea how much harder I would work now that I was away from home
and in borrowed space.
Once the final assembly began my days started at sunrise when I had the privilege
of jumping in the Maule with a couple of tool boxes and flying to my temporary
workshop. The airport manager/mechanic worked 8 hours/day, 7 days/week so
I did too.
Standing, walking, stooping all put stress on my recently cleaned up knees. There
was pain so I RICEd them when I could. However, the bar on "what I could
do comfortably" had risen. At post-operative checkups, I told the doctor of the
pain and he could see the swelling. We tried cortisone shots to see if we
could get back on the curve towards
recovery. Things would get a little better before getting worse again.
The '10 was looking fantastic! Wings on, seats in, wiring completed...
each step more exciting. Commuting by Maule each day was some of the best flying
I had done since starting the project. With summer temps, I removed the door
on the Maule for some open cockpit fun. But as you can imagine, the final
assembly took 2 or 3 times longer than expected though it was moving forward without
a hitch. That is, except for the fact that I could barely step up into
the Maule and was otherwise severely hobbled. The fact that my airport host
crunched around all day, without complaint, on an artificial leg probably spurred
me on even further. Though every time he dropped to his knee with a sound
only titanium on concrete can make, it did get my attention.
First flight and the RV grin; it was better than I could have imagined and it just
keeps getting better. The '10 is a fantastic aircraft!!
Really!!! Yes, I'm very proud of having built it but the real kudos go to Vans
for the design and the (quick build) kit. The build was fun, the flying even
better!
Anyway, four months after first flight and one year after surgery, I was still
hobbled and in pain. The doctor went from dismissal to concern and we decided
to do an MRI. I knew my knees were bad but it didn't sink until I realized that
the doctor and his team were a bit shocked and surprised by what they saw.
My left knee in particular looked worse than before the surgery. It was all
rough surfaces with several pieces of stuff floating around.
So, we re-did the surgery on the left knee. This time I RICEd them more aggressively
as I balanced the injectors on the '540. Five months after the second
surgery, I seem to be on a path to recovery.
Earlier today, my doctor finally smiled and with some relief "released"
me. I admitted that I knew I was abusing my knees after the first surgery but
continued nonetheless. He admitted to having made the mistake of relying on a
patient's tendency to self-limit their activities based on the pain. It appears
that the challenge with most patients is to keep them moving to maintain
flexibility and strength.
With a motivated '10 builder, the challenge was to get me to slow down and treat
my health with the respect it required.
Screwing up my knees is the ONLY regret I have with the experience, but it was
worth it anyway.
Bill "hoping this story is of some value to someone" Watson http://www.mykitlog.com/mauledriver
N215TG
40605
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| Subject: | Re: Building and my knees - the last leg (long & personal) |
My meniscus repair was right before Christmas... cleared with no
restrictions at the end of February. I initially injured it launching
one of my kids on a sled over a year ago but didn't have much problem
with it until I was crawling around under the plane shooting laser
lines for the wheel pants. Everything was fine until I tried to stand
back up. My knee locked and stayed that way for the better part of two
days.
A few years ago I had to spend 3 months in PT instead of building. I
had spent an entire day riveting my wings with a pneumatic squeezer...
the first half of the day with my right arm and the second half of the
day with my left. The next morning I tried to get a box of cereal out
of the pantry. The pain in my elbow from trying to close my hand
around the cereal box was so great I fell to the floor. I tried the
other hand an no luck there either. Tennis Elbow X 2.
This building obsession can take its toll.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
Do Not Archive
On Apr 27, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Michael Sausen wrote:
>
> Bill, glad to see you are finally recovering. I've torn the
> meniscus in both my knees, once in my late teens and once again last
> year. The one last year I had repaired in January and I'm lucky
> enough to say that I'm back at 100%. But much like you I over did
> it in the beginning which lengthened the full recovery.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 11:56 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Building and my knees - the last leg (long &
> personal)
>
>
> Having just returned from my doctor's office with a relatively clean
> bill of health, I thought I'd share the story of my knees.
>
> Background; I've had bad knees since adolescence. The initial
> diagnosis was something called "Osgood-Schlatter Disease" while in
> junior high. I was threatened with an immobilizing cast on the left
> knee if I didn't RICE it (Rest, Ice, Compression and Elevation).
> Training to become a tackling dummy, I stressed them in the weight
> room and never made it to summer practice in high school. So
> instead I swam, played volleyball, jogged and RICEd the knees as
> required.
>
> Thirty-some years later, I started building the '10. The knees had
> aged gracefully. Naproxen was always effective and recently became
> cheap
> (Alleve). However, a scan some years ago had shown that I had tears
> in the menisci and that surgery would be required at some point.
> Carpet or rubber pads on the floor kept the pain and swelling down
> for the most part. Otherwise it was a comfortable build since I was
> lucky enough to have my workshop/hangar 200 yards out back along
> with a Maule to fly while maintaining a steady but leisurely
> building pace.
>
> The '10 was getting close to flight. Painting started in late 2010
> and I actually had a schedule laid out for completing the paint and
> doing the final assembly. I also decided to get arthroscopic
> surgery on both knees following final assembly.
>
> Yes, I was 99% done, 99% to go, or however that saying goes.
>
> I first discovered that you can't paint in the winter so the
> schedule started to fall apart. When spring returned, the painting
> was completed and only final assembly remained. The plan was to
> take the project to another airport with a hard surface runway and
> friendlier terrain for the initial flights. The challenge was to
> find some hangar space at a nearby airport where the project could
> be completed.
>
> It worked out better than I could have expected. The airport
> manager at the nearest airport graciously agreed to let me do the
> assembly in his main hangar. It had a painted floor, great
> lighting, friendly dogs, and a mechanic who freely shared his tools
> and expertise. The '10 was trucked in and assembly began.
>
> However, when the painting was halted for winter, I stayed with the
> schedule for bilateral arthroscopic knee surgery. Recovery hurt,
> but throughout, the medical team encouraged movement and use of the
> knees.
> When asked, "can I resume normal activities?" The answer was always
> a qualified "yes, as much as you can do comfortably".
>
> They have no idea how motivated a homebuilder is, especially on the
> eve of flight. And I had no idea how much harder I would work now
> that I was away from home and in borrowed space.
>
> Once the final assembly began my days started at sunrise when I had
> the privilege of jumping in the Maule with a couple of tool boxes
> and flying to my temporary workshop. The airport manager/mechanic
> worked 8 hours/day, 7 days/week so I did too.
>
> Standing, walking, stooping all put stress on my recently cleaned up
> knees. There was pain so I RICEd them when I could. However, the
> bar on "what I could do comfortably" had risen. At post-operative
> checkups, I told the doctor of the pain and he could see the
> swelling. We tried cortisone shots to see if we could get back on
> the curve towards
> recovery. Things would get a little better before getting worse
> again.
>
> The '10 was looking fantastic! Wings on, seats in, wiring
> completed...
> each step more exciting. Commuting by Maule each day was some of
> the best flying I had done since starting the project. With summer
> temps, I removed the door on the Maule for some open cockpit fun.
> But as you can imagine, the final assembly took 2 or 3 times longer
> than expected though it was moving forward without a hitch. That
> is, except for the fact that I could barely step up into the Maule
> and was otherwise severely hobbled. The fact that my airport host
> crunched around all day, without complaint, on an artificial leg
> probably spurred me on even further. Though every time he dropped
> to his knee with a sound only titanium on concrete can make, it did
> get my attention.
>
> First flight and the RV grin; it was better than I could have
> imagined and it just keeps getting better. The '10 is a fantastic
> aircraft!!
> Really!!! Yes, I'm very proud of having built it but the real
> kudos go to Vans for the design and the (quick build) kit. The
> build was fun, the flying even better!
>
> Anyway, four months after first flight and one year after surgery, I
> was still hobbled and in pain. The doctor went from dismissal to
> concern and we decided to do an MRI. I knew my knees were bad but
> it didn't sink until I realized that the doctor and his team were a
> bit shocked and surprised by what they saw. My left knee in
> particular looked worse than before the surgery. It was all rough
> surfaces with several pieces of stuff floating around.
>
> So, we re-did the surgery on the left knee. This time I RICEd them
> more aggressively as I balanced the injectors on the '540. Five
> months after the second surgery, I seem to be on a path to recovery.
>
> Earlier today, my doctor finally smiled and with some relief
> "released"
> me. I admitted that I knew I was abusing my knees after the first
> surgery but continued nonetheless. He admitted to having made the
> mistake of relying on a patient's tendency to self-limit their
> activities based on the pain. It appears that the challenge with
> most patients is to keep them moving to maintain flexibility and
> strength.
> With a motivated '10 builder, the challenge was to get me to slow
> down and treat my health with the respect it required.
>
> Screwing up my knees is the ONLY regret I have with the experience,
> but it was worth it anyway.
>
> Bill "hoping this story is of some value to someone" Watson http://www.mykitlog.com/mauledriver
> N215TG
> 40605
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Starting the Annual Oshkosh Camping Thread |
Unfortunately, I think you'll need to show up a week early. The stories I've heard
from Tom, Bob, and Gary are that folks are coming earlier ever year.
When I've showed in the past on Saturday, most sites around the group area have
been taken. But I wouldn't let that stop you from looking. You never know
what's available.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 27, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com> wrote:
Thought I'd kick start the yearly OSH camping thread... :)
Being a first time OSH camper this year I was curious if arriving the Saturday
before the show is enough to get a halfway decent spot. I know the group HQ stake-out
is no longer happening, but I'm assuming everyone tries to get in the
same area as the HQ has been? Just wondering if the Sat. before is soon enough
to get that area.
-Sean #40303
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| Subject: | Re: Building and my knees - the last leg (long & personal) |
Yup, trigger finger syndrome in right hand middle finger(as used for
drill and rivet gun triggers), as well as arthritis and strained tendon
in right thumb, that will continue until building is done. Fortunately
only front upper cowl deck and rear fuselage top skin behind baggage
require significant amount of riveting to do..after finish ADHARS
install and instrument panel. Shoulders still a little sore for riveting
bottom wing skins the last couple weeks.
On 4/27/2012 12:24 PM, Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>
>
> This building obsession can take its toll.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> On Apr 27, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Michael Sausen wrote:
>
>>
>> Bill, glad to see you are finally recovering. I've torn the meniscus
>> in both my knees, once in my late teens and once again last year.
>> The one last year I had repaired in January and I'm lucky enough to
>> say that I'm back at 100%. But much like you I over did it in the
>> beginning which lengthened the full recovery.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 11:56 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Building and my knees - the last leg (long &
>> personal)
>>
>>
>> Having just returned from my doctor's office with a relatively clean
>> bill of health, I thought I'd share the story of my knees.
>>
>> Background; I've had bad knees since adolescence. The initial
>> diagnosis was something called "Osgood-Schlatter Disease" while in
>> junior high. I was threatened with an immobilizing cast on the left
>> knee if I didn't RICE it (Rest, Ice, Compression and Elevation).
>> Training to become a tackling dummy, I stressed them in the weight
>> room and never made it to summer practice in high school. So instead
>> I swam, played volleyball, jogged and RICEd the knees as required.
>>
>> Thirty-some years later, I started building the '10. The knees had
>> aged gracefully. Naproxen was always effective and recently became
>> cheap
>> (Alleve). However, a scan some years ago had shown that I had tears
>> in the menisci and that surgery would be required at some point.
>> Carpet or rubber pads on the floor kept the pain and swelling down
>> for the most part. Otherwise it was a comfortable build since I was
>> lucky enough to have my workshop/hangar 200 yards out back along with
>> a Maule to fly while maintaining a steady but leisurely building pace.
>>
>> The '10 was getting close to flight. Painting started in late 2010
>> and I actually had a schedule laid out for completing the paint and
>> doing the final assembly. I also decided to get arthroscopic surgery
>> on both knees following final assembly.
>>
>> Yes, I was 99% done, 99% to go, or however that saying goes.
>>
>> I first discovered that you can't paint in the winter so the schedule
>> started to fall apart. When spring returned, the painting was
>> completed and only final assembly remained. The plan was to take the
>> project to another airport with a hard surface runway and friendlier
>> terrain for the initial flights. The challenge was to find some
>> hangar space at a nearby airport where the project could be completed.
>>
>> It worked out better than I could have expected. The airport manager
>> at the nearest airport graciously agreed to let me do the assembly in
>> his main hangar. It had a painted floor, great lighting, friendly
>> dogs, and a mechanic who freely shared his tools and expertise. The
>> '10 was trucked in and assembly began.
>>
>> However, when the painting was halted for winter, I stayed with the
>> schedule for bilateral arthroscopic knee surgery. Recovery hurt, but
>> throughout, the medical team encouraged movement and use of the knees.
>> When asked, "can I resume normal activities?" The answer was always a
>> qualified "yes, as much as you can do comfortably".
>>
>> They have no idea how motivated a homebuilder is, especially on the
>> eve of flight. And I had no idea how much harder I would work now
>> that I was away from home and in borrowed space.
>>
>> Once the final assembly began my days started at sunrise when I had
>> the privilege of jumping in the Maule with a couple of tool boxes and
>> flying to my temporary workshop. The airport manager/mechanic worked
>> 8 hours/day, 7 days/week so I did too.
>>
>> Standing, walking, stooping all put stress on my recently cleaned up
>> knees. There was pain so I RICEd them when I could. However, the
>> bar on "what I could do comfortably" had risen. At post-operative
>> checkups, I told the doctor of the pain and he could see the
>> swelling. We tried cortisone shots to see if we could get back on
>> the curve towards
>> recovery. Things would get a little better before getting worse again.
>>
>> The '10 was looking fantastic! Wings on, seats in, wiring completed...
>> each step more exciting. Commuting by Maule each day was some of the
>> best flying I had done since starting the project. With summer
>> temps, I removed the door on the Maule for some open cockpit fun.
>> But as you can imagine, the final assembly took 2 or 3 times longer
>> than expected though it was moving forward without a hitch. That is,
>> except for the fact that I could barely step up into the Maule and
>> was otherwise severely hobbled. The fact that my airport host
>> crunched around all day, without complaint, on an artificial leg
>> probably spurred me on even further. Though every time he dropped to
>> his knee with a sound only titanium on concrete can make, it did get
>> my attention.
>>
>> First flight and the RV grin; it was better than I could have
>> imagined and it just keeps getting better. The '10 is a fantastic
>> aircraft!!
>> Really!!! Yes, I'm very proud of having built it but the real kudos
>> go to Vans for the design and the (quick build) kit. The build was
>> fun, the flying even better!
>>
>> Anyway, four months after first flight and one year after surgery, I
>> was still hobbled and in pain. The doctor went from dismissal to
>> concern and we decided to do an MRI. I knew my knees were bad but it
>> didn't sink until I realized that the doctor and his team were a bit
>> shocked and surprised by what they saw. My left knee in particular
>> looked worse than before the surgery. It was all rough surfaces with
>> several pieces of stuff floating around.
>>
>> So, we re-did the surgery on the left knee. This time I RICEd them
>> more aggressively as I balanced the injectors on the '540. Five
>> months after the second surgery, I seem to be on a path to recovery.
>>
>> Earlier today, my doctor finally smiled and with some relief "released"
>> me. I admitted that I knew I was abusing my knees after the first
>> surgery but continued nonetheless. He admitted to having made the
>> mistake of relying on a patient's tendency to self-limit their
>> activities based on the pain. It appears that the challenge with
>> most patients is to keep them moving to maintain flexibility and
>> strength.
>> With a motivated '10 builder, the challenge was to get me to slow
>> down and treat my health with the respect it required.
>>
>> Screwing up my knees is the ONLY regret I have with the experience,
>> but it was worth it anyway.
>>
>> Bill "hoping this story is of some value to someone" Watson
>> http://www.mykitlog.com/mauledriver
>> N215TG
>> 40605
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Building and my knees - the last leg (long & personal) |
I'm afraid this is what I'm headed for too. Mine have been killing me
lately, so I'm just powering through the pain right now working on wheel
pants. I'm pretty sure things are headed south though.
Hopefully I can rest them after the pants get done and avoid anything too
serious.
Phil
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>wrote:
>
> My meniscus repair was right before Christmas... cleared with no
> restrictions at the end of February. I initially injured it launching one
> of my kids on a sled over a year ago but didn't have much problem with it
> until I was crawling around under the plane shooting laser lines for the
> wheel pants. Everything was fine until I tried to stand back up. My knee
> locked and stayed that way for the better part of two days.
>
> A few years ago I had to spend 3 months in PT instead of building. I had
> spent an entire day riveting my wings with a pneumatic squeezer... the
> first half of the day with my right arm and the second half of the day with
> my left. The next morning I tried to get a box of cereal out of the pantry.
> The pain in my elbow from trying to close my hand around the cereal box was
> so great I fell to the floor. I tried the other hand an no luck there
> either. Tennis Elbow X 2.
>
> This building obsession can take its toll.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> On Apr 27, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Michael Sausen wrote:
>
>>
>> Bill, glad to see you are finally recovering. I've torn the meniscus in
>> both my knees, once in my late teens and once again last year. The one
>> last year I had repaired in January and I'm lucky enough to say that I'm
>> back at 100%. But much like you I over did it in the beginning which
>> lengthened the full recovery.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@**matronics.com<owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>[mailto:
>> owner-rv10-list-**server@matronics.com<owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>]
>> On Behalf Of Bill Watson
>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 11:56 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Building and my knees - the last leg (long & personal)
>>
>>
>> Having just returned from my doctor's office with a relatively clean bill
>> of health, I thought I'd share the story of my knees.
>>
>> Background; I've had bad knees since adolescence. The initial diagnosis
>> was something called "Osgood-Schlatter Disease" while in junior high. I
>> was threatened with an immobilizing cast on the left knee if I didn't RICE
>> it (Rest, Ice, Compression and Elevation). Training to become a tackling
>> dummy, I stressed them in the weight room and never made it to summer
>> practice in high school. So instead I swam, played volleyball, jogged and
>> RICEd the knees as required.
>>
>> Thirty-some years later, I started building the '10. The knees had aged
>> gracefully. Naproxen was always effective and recently became cheap
>> (Alleve). However, a scan some years ago had shown that I had tears
>> in the menisci and that surgery would be required at some point. Carpet
>> or rubber pads on the floor kept the pain and swelling down for the most
>> part. Otherwise it was a comfortable build since I was lucky enough to
>> have my workshop/hangar 200 yards out back along with a Maule to fly while
>> maintaining a steady but leisurely building pace.
>>
>> The '10 was getting close to flight. Painting started in late 2010 and I
>> actually had a schedule laid out for completing the paint and doing the
>> final assembly. I also decided to get arthroscopic surgery on both knees
>> following final assembly.
>>
>> Yes, I was 99% done, 99% to go, or however that saying goes.
>>
>> I first discovered that you can't paint in the winter so the schedule
>> started to fall apart. When spring returned, the painting was completed
>> and only final assembly remained. The plan was to take the project to
>> another airport with a hard surface runway and friendlier terrain for the
>> initial flights. The challenge was to find some hangar space at a nearby
>> airport where the project could be completed.
>>
>> It worked out better than I could have expected. The airport manager at
>> the nearest airport graciously agreed to let me do the assembly in his main
>> hangar. It had a painted floor, great lighting, friendly dogs, and a
>> mechanic who freely shared his tools and expertise. The '10 was trucked in
>> and assembly began.
>>
>> However, when the painting was halted for winter, I stayed with the
>> schedule for bilateral arthroscopic knee surgery. Recovery hurt, but
>> throughout, the medical team encouraged movement and use of the knees.
>> When asked, "can I resume normal activities?" The answer was always a
>> qualified "yes, as much as you can do comfortably".
>>
>> They have no idea how motivated a homebuilder is, especially on the eve
>> of flight. And I had no idea how much harder I would work now that I was
>> away from home and in borrowed space.
>>
>> Once the final assembly began my days started at sunrise when I had the
>> privilege of jumping in the Maule with a couple of tool boxes and flying to
>> my temporary workshop. The airport manager/mechanic worked 8 hours/day, 7
>> days/week so I did too.
>>
>> Standing, walking, stooping all put stress on my recently cleaned up
>> knees. There was pain so I RICEd them when I could. However, the bar on
>> "what I could do comfortably" had risen. At post-operative checkups, I
>> told the doctor of the pain and he could see the swelling. We tried
>> cortisone shots to see if we could get back on the curve towards
>> recovery. Things would get a little better before getting worse again.
>>
>> The '10 was looking fantastic! Wings on, seats in, wiring completed...
>> each step more exciting. Commuting by Maule each day was some of the
>> best flying I had done since starting the project. With summer temps, I
>> removed the door on the Maule for some open cockpit fun. But as you can
>> imagine, the final assembly took 2 or 3 times longer than expected though
>> it was moving forward without a hitch. That is, except for the fact that I
>> could barely step up into the Maule and was otherwise severely hobbled.
>> The fact that my airport host crunched around all day, without complaint,
>> on an artificial leg probably spurred me on even further. Though every
>> time he dropped to his knee with a sound only titanium on concrete can
>> make, it did get my attention.
>>
>> First flight and the RV grin; it was better than I could have imagined
>> and it just keeps getting better. The '10 is a fantastic aircraft!!
>> Really!!! Yes, I'm very proud of having built it but the real kudos go
>> to Vans for the design and the (quick build) kit. The build was fun, the
>> flying even better!
>>
>> Anyway, four months after first flight and one year after surgery, I was
>> still hobbled and in pain. The doctor went from dismissal to concern and
>> we decided to do an MRI. I knew my knees were bad but it didn't sink until
>> I realized that the doctor and his team were a bit shocked and surprised by
>> what they saw. My left knee in particular looked worse than before the
>> surgery. It was all rough surfaces with several pieces of stuff floating
>> around.
>>
>> So, we re-did the surgery on the left knee. This time I RICEd them more
>> aggressively as I balanced the injectors on the '540. Five months after
>> the second surgery, I seem to be on a path to recovery.
>>
>> Earlier today, my doctor finally smiled and with some relief "released"
>> me. I admitted that I knew I was abusing my knees after the first
>> surgery but continued nonetheless. He admitted to having made the mistake
>> of relying on a patient's tendency to self-limit their activities based on
>> the pain. It appears that the challenge with most patients is to keep them
>> moving to maintain flexibility and strength.
>> With a motivated '10 builder, the challenge was to get me to slow down
>> and treat my health with the respect it required.
>>
>> Screwing up my knees is the ONLY regret I have with the experience, but
>> it was worth it anyway.
>>
>> Bill "hoping this story is of some value to someone" Watson
>> http://www.mykitlog.com/**mauledriver<http://www.mykitlog.com/mauledriver>
>> N215TG
>> 40605
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Starting the Annual Oshkosh Camping Thread |
EAA has made some changes which might alleviate some of the issues hat
caused me to "retire" from the group campsite biz. I haven't had time to
read/understand them yet so can't say for sure. If I decide to jump back
in I'll post something.
Bob (Condrey)
On Friday, April 27, 2012, Bob Leffler wrote:
> >
>
> Unfortunately, I think you'll need to show up a week early. The stories
> I've heard from Tom, Bob, and Gary are that folks are coming earlier ever
> year.
>
> When I've showed in the past on Saturday, most sites around the group area
> have been taken. But I wouldn't let that stop you from looking. You
> never know what's available.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 27, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com<javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> Thought I'd kick start the yearly OSH camping thread... :)
>
> Being a first time OSH camper this year I was curious if arriving the
> Saturday before the show is enough to get a halfway decent spot. I know
> the group HQ stake-out is no longer happening, but I'm assuming everyone
> tries to get in the same area as the HQ has been? Just wondering if the
> Sat. before is soon enough to get that area.
>
> -Sean #40303
>
>
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| Subject: | White House user fee petition |
I tried but the site would not let me sign a petition, all I could do was
edit/change user info. I don't think they want any input - government as
usual I'd say.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sheldon Olesen
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 8:03 AM
Subject: RV10-List: White House user fee petition
There is a petition on the White House website asking for an explanation of
the proposed $100 user fee. There needs to be 25,000 signatures for the
White House to respond. They are 23,000 + short. Sign up if you would like
an explanation of how they came up with the $100 fee. There is a May 16
deadline to raise the required number of signatures. I copied the address
off the White House website:
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/explain-detail-its-continue
d-push-100-segment-aviation-user-fee/jKggNYsT?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=s
horturl&utm_campaign=shorturl
Sheldon Olesen
N475PV 380 hours
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: White House user fee petition |
That happened to me too. I logged out and back in, then signed.
--Dave Saylor
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Albert Gardner <ibspud@roadrunner.com>wrote:
>
> I tried but the site would not let me sign a petition, all I could do was
> edit/change user info. I don't think they want any input - government as
> usual I'd say.
> Albert Gardner
> N991RV
> Yuma, AZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sheldon Olesen
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 8:03 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: White House user fee petition
>
>
>
> There is a petition on the White House website asking for an explanation of
> the proposed $100 user fee. There needs to be 25,000 signatures for the
> White House to respond. They are 23,000 + short. Sign up if you would
> like
> an explanation of how they came up with the $100 fee. There is a May 16
> deadline to raise the required number of signatures. I copied the address
> off the White House website:
>
>
> https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/explain-detail-its-continue
>
> d-push-100-segment-aviation-user-fee/jKggNYsT?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=s
> horturl&utm_campaign=shorturl<https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/%21/petition/explain-detail-its-continue%0Ad-push-100-segment-aviation-user-fee/jKggNYsT?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=s%0Ahorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl>
>
>
> Sheldon Olesen
> N475PV 380 hours
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: White House user fee petition |
Albert;
Sortofa strange way to do it, but after I created an account and edited the
password to my likings, I reduced then window (I did not close it) and went
back to my email where I clicked on Sheldon's link. Worked perfectly.
Good luck!
Bruce
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Albert Gardner <ibspud@roadrunner.com>wrote:
>
> I tried but the site would not let me sign a petition, all I could do was
> edit/change user info. I don't think they want any input - government as
> usual I'd say.
> Albert Gardner
> N991RV
> Yuma, AZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sheldon Olesen
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 8:03 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: White House user fee petition
>
>
>
> There is a petition on the White House website asking for an explanation of
> the proposed $100 user fee. There needs to be 25,000 signatures for the
> White House to respond. They are 23,000 + short. Sign up if you would
> like
> an explanation of how they came up with the $100 fee. There is a May 16
> deadline to raise the required number of signatures. I copied the address
> off the White House website:
>
>
> https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/explain-detail-its-continue
>
> d-push-100-segment-aviation-user-fee/jKggNYsT?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=s
> horturl&utm_campaign=shorturl
>
>
> Sheldon Olesen
> N475PV 380 hours
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | White House user fee petition |
OK, that worked but it looks like we need about 22,000 signers to make this
work.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bruce
breckenridge
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: White House user fee petition
Albert;
Sortofa strange way to do it, but after I created an account and edited the
password to my likings, I reduced then window (I did not close it) and went
back to my email where I clicked on Sheldon's link. Worked perfectly.
Good luck!
Bruce
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Albert Gardner <ibspud@roadrunner.com>
wrote:
I tried but the site would not let me sign a petition, all I could do was
edit/change user info. I don't think they want any input - government as
usual I'd say.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sheldon Olesen
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 8:03 AM
Subject: RV10-List: White House user fee petition
There is a petition on the White House website asking for an explanation of
the proposed $100 user fee. There needs to be 25,000 signatures for the
White House to respond. They are 23,000 + short. Sign up if you would like
an explanation of how they came up with the $100 fee. There is a May 16
deadline to raise the required number of signatures. I copied the address
off the White House website:
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/explain-detail-its-continue
<https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/explain-detail-its-continu
ed-push-100-segment-aviation-user-fee/jKggNYsT?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium
shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl>
d-push-100-segment-aviation-user-fee/jKggNYsT?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=s
horturl&utm_campaign=shorturl
Sheldon Olesen
N475PV 380 hours
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