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1. 02:22 AM - Re: Low Fuel Sensor Location (Bob Leffler)
2. 02:47 AM - Re: Garmin competition (Kelly McMullen)
3. 02:53 AM - Re: Re: Flight over Grand Canyon (Kelly McMullen)
4. 04:30 AM - Re: Garmin competition (Carl Froehlich)
5. 05:01 AM - Re: Garmin competition (Michael Kraus)
6. 06:48 AM - Re: Garmin competition (Kelly McMullen)
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| Subject: | Re: Low Fuel Sensor Location |
My memory seems to recall about five gallons, but I'm sure that Scott can share
his results since he's been flying for awhile. I'm about 90 days away from putting
fuel in the tanks.
Bob
Sent from my iPad
On May 4, 2012, at 11:01 PM, Tom Koelzer <40950@rv10.net> wrote:
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> Thanks Bob,
>
> I'm planning to put my sensor in the same position fore and aft but probably
an inch or so lower to get warning at about 4 1/2 gal useable per my calculations.
Do you know what fuel level corresponds to the sensor location in the picture
you attached?
>
> Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin competition |
If you decide to stay with the Dynon, they have a Mode S transponder
that works with the EFIS and ADSB for much less than the Garmin 330.
With the money you save you could upgrade to a Garmin GTN650 GPS. That
is about what I am looking at very soon. I looked and didn't see any
mention of a GPS on Grand Rapids web site. Their current iteration of
EFIS looks like a big improvement from what they offered a couple
years ago.
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:16 PM, <davidsoutpost@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> The more I look into this the better it sounds. I am about to pull the trigger
and order up my panel within the next month and had pretty much committed in
my mind to an IFR panel with an independent dual 10" Dynon system , Garmin SL30,
Garmin 430W , Garmin audio panel and mode S transponder. I have the Dynon
servo's installed but am more than willing to take a $$ hit and replace them GRT.
I wonder about the GPS updates and their availability/costs? Anyway's,,,,thanks
to bringing this up Bob,------------Now I have another decision to make!
>
> David Clifford
>
> RV-10 Builder
> Howell, MI
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 12:30:35 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Garmin competition
>
>
>
> Garmin has had a virtual monopoly on the IFR certified GPS market ever since
they were allowed to buy UPS (Apollo) Avionics. GRT has just announced their latest
EFIS, the HXr. But I think the real news is that GRT is also offering a
remote IFR certified GPS, for less than a G-400.
>
> At last, some competition for Garmin!
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372382#372382= - List Contribution Web Site ; &nb=====================
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight over Grand Canyon |
Actually it isn't that bad. While many will suggest you should be
above the air tour aircraft, but it isn't a requirement, you just need
to be on the correct frequency for the sector and communicate what you
are doing so everyone knows where the traffic is. So generally you
can be in the 1-2 thousand AGL, remembering that the north side of the
canyon is often 1000 above the south side. Also you can be lower the
further away from the GCN airport and main tourist area. Page and
Glen Canyon dam area is also scenic with less restriction.
Keep density altitude in mind, and hopefully stay at least a couple
hundred lbs below gross wt so your plane doesn't handle like a
sluggish pig.
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
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> I've started studying the airspace situation - it's worse than DC. Seems
> like you must stay 2 or 3 thousand above the canyon at all times. Will need
> to obtain the Grand Canyon sectional for details.
>
> I'm assuming that flying over the area at 7 to 10 MSL is beautiful but not
> thrilling which is fine. I'm thinking we may day trip it from Phoenix.
> Just have to decide on a good place to stop on the ground. Might be nice
> to overfly then land by the lake for lunch.
>
> Bill
>
> On 5/4/2012 7:42 PM, Jerry Hansen wrote:
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>>
>> First time there was 1974. Fuel around $1.60 per gal. Had a nice lunch.
>> Took off and flew (legally) down in the canyon (imprudent, yes) - the
>> lower
>> you go the more impressive the scenery. Ah, the "good old days".
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Garmin competition |
I have the dual SkyView install with the Dynon XPDR and Garmin GTN-650. I
fully recommend the SkyView and associated XPDR. The 650 however is not
what I wanted, just want I was left with after I exhausted all other
options. I would have much preferred an updated GX-60 and SL-30 combo (at
half the cost of a 650), but Garmin killed such options, leaving us with
just the grossly overpriced 650 and similar.
My concern is that the customer base for this part of the avionics market is
so narrow that no new competitor will risk jumping into it.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin competition
If you decide to stay with the Dynon, they have a Mode S transponder that
works with the EFIS and ADSB for much less than the Garmin 330.
With the money you save you could upgrade to a Garmin GTN650 GPS. That is
about what I am looking at very soon. I looked and didn't see any mention of
a GPS on Grand Rapids web site. Their current iteration of EFIS looks like a
big improvement from what they offered a couple years ago.
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:16 PM, <davidsoutpost@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> The more I look into this the better it sounds. I am about to pull the
trigger and order up my panel within the next month and had pretty much
committed in my mind to an IFR panel with an independent dual 10" Dynon
system , Garmin SL30, Garmin 430W , Garmin audio panel and mode S
transponder. I have the Dynon servo's installed but am more than willing to
take a $$ hit and replace them GRT. I wonder about the GPS updates and
their availability/costs? Anyway's,,,,thanks to bringing this up
Bob,------------Now I have another decision to make!
>
> David Clifford
>
> RV-10 Builder
> Howell, MI
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 12:30:35 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Garmin competition
>
>
>
> Garmin has had a virtual monopoly on the IFR certified GPS market ever
since they were allowed to buy UPS (Apollo) Avionics. GRT has just announced
their latest EFIS, the HXr. But I think the real news is that GRT is also
offering a remote IFR certified GPS, for less than a G-400.
>
> At last, some competition for Garmin!
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372382#372382=
> - List Contribution Web Site ;
> &nb=====================
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin competition |
Hey Carl,
Is this what you wanted? Dual SkyViews, Full Apollo stack - SL15, SL30, GX60
, SL70, and I threw in a Garmin 696....
Do not archive
-Mike Kraus
RV-10 - Flying
Frantically trying to finish fiberglass before my paint date June 1.....
Sent from my iPhone
On May 5, 2012, at 7:29 AM, "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@verizon.net> wr
ote:
net>
>
> I have the dual SkyView install with the Dynon XPDR and Garmin GTN-650. I
> fully recommend the SkyView and associated XPDR. The 650 however is not
> what I wanted, just want I was left with after I exhausted all other
> options. I would have much preferred an updated GX-60 and SL-30 combo (at
> half the cost of a 650), but Garmin killed such options, leaving us with
> just the grossly overpriced 650 and similar.
>
> My concern is that the customer base for this part of the avionics market i
s
> so narrow that no new competitor will risk jumping into it.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 5:47 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin competition
>
>
> If you decide to stay with the Dynon, they have a Mode S transponder that
> works with the EFIS and ADSB for much less than the Garmin 330.
> With the money you save you could upgrade to a Garmin GTN650 GPS. That is
> about what I am looking at very soon. I looked and didn't see any mention o
f
> a GPS on Grand Rapids web site. Their current iteration of EFIS looks like
a
> big improvement from what they offered a couple years ago.
>
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:16 PM, <davidsoutpost@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> The more I look into this the better it sounds. I am about to pull the
> trigger and order up my panel within the next month and had pretty much
> committed in my mind to an IFR panel with an independent dual 10" Dynon
> system , Garmin SL30, Garmin 430W , Garmin audio panel and mode S
> transponder. I have the Dynon servo's installed but am more than willing t
o
> take a $$ hit and replace them GRT. I wonder about the GPS updates and
> their availability/costs? Anyway's,,,,thanks to bringing this up
> Bob,------------Now I have another decision to make!
>>
>> David Clifford
>>
>> RV-10 Builder
>> Howell, MI
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 12:30:35 AM
>> Subject: RV10-List: Garmin competition
>>
>>
>>
>> Garmin has had a virtual monopoly on the IFR certified GPS market ever
> since they were allowed to buy UPS (Apollo) Avionics. GRT has just announc
ed
> their latest EFIS, the HXr. But I think the real news is that GRT is also
> offering a remote IFR certified GPS, for less than a G-400.
>>
>> At last, some competition for Garmin!
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Turner
>> RV-10 QB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372382#372382=
>> - List Contribution Web Site ;
>> &nb=====================
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin competition |
Unfortunately the Avidyne 540 and the King 770 aren't expected out
until at least the end of this year, if not later. I would seriously
consider either one if they were available now.
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Carl Froehlich
<carl.froehlich@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> I have the dual SkyView install with the Dynon XPDR and Garmin GTN-650. I
> fully recommend the SkyView and associated XPDR. The 650 however is not
> what I wanted, just want I was left with after I exhausted all other
> options. I would have much preferred an updated GX-60 and SL-30 combo (at
> half the cost of a 650), but Garmin killed such options, leaving us with
> just the grossly overpriced 650 and similar.
>
> My concern is that the customer base for this part of the avionics market is
> so narrow that no new competitor will risk jumping into it.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 5:47 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin competition
>
>
> If you decide to stay with the Dynon, they have a Mode S transponder that
> works with the EFIS and ADSB for much less than the Garmin 330.
> With the money you save you could upgrade to a Garmin GTN650 GPS. That is
> about what I am looking at very soon. I looked and didn't see any mention of
> a GPS on Grand Rapids web site. Their current iteration of EFIS looks like a
> big improvement from what they offered a couple years ago.
>
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:16 PM, <davidsoutpost@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> The more I look into this the better it sounds. I am about to pull the
> trigger and order up my panel within the next month and had pretty much
> committed in my mind to an IFR panel with an independent dual 10" Dynon
> system , Garmin SL30, Garmin 430W , Garmin audio panel and mode S
> transponder. I have the Dynon servo's installed but am more than willing to
> take a $$ hit and replace them GRT. I wonder about the GPS updates and
> their availability/costs? Anyway's,,,,thanks to bringing this up
> Bob,------------Now I have another decision to make!
>>
>> David Clifford
>>
>> RV-10 Builder
>> Howell, MI
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 12:30:35 AM
>> Subject: RV10-List: Garmin competition
>>
>>
>>
>> Garmin has had a virtual monopoly on the IFR certified GPS market ever
> since they were allowed to buy UPS (Apollo) Avionics. GRT has just announced
> their latest EFIS, the HXr. But I think the real news is that GRT is also
> offering a remote IFR certified GPS, for less than a G-400.
>>
>> At last, some competition for Garmin!
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Turner
>> RV-10 QB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372382#372382
>> - List Contribution Web Site ;
>> &nb=====================
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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