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1. 05:53 AM - Re: Radio problem in Phoenix - need some help (John Jessen)
2. 06:22 AM - Re: Radio problem in Phoenix - need some help (Jesse Saint)
3. 06:24 AM - Re: Re: Radio problem in Phoenix - need some help (Jesse Saint)
4. 06:58 AM - Re: Radio problem in Phoenix - need some help (Bill Watson)
5. 09:38 AM - W & B programs (Eric_Kallio)
6. 07:13 PM - Re: W & B programs (Bob Turner)
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| Subject: | Re: Radio problem in Phoenix - need some help |
Bill, I have a 30 sitting on my bench and could overnight it to you, should you
need it until you figure out what the problem is.
John
... by phone
On May 11, 2012, at 11:39 PM, Bill Watson <mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Jesse, I agree that #1 would be optimal. But I'm most confident trying to do
#3. At this point I really don't know where the failure is and it could be in
the audio panel or elsewhere. (the SL30 still lights up properly and looks
like it is operating, but I just get static on Rx while Tx function is unknown).
>
> I'd love to slip a SL30 or 40 in to see what happens... But I could still be
stuck is what I'm thinking.
>
> Would very much like to know if 40 would work though.
>
> And maybe a handheld is a dead end.
>
> Bill
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 11, 2012, at 8:12 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> The SL-30 does have a special connector at the back of the tray, while the G430
has a male BNC connector.
>>
>> #1 - Getting two fully-functional, panel-mounted radios would be the best option
overall, if you have a good way of doing that. A handheld has much lower
power output than an SL-30/-40/G430, which, added to your wingtip COM antenna,
will be very far from a good option for a second radio. I have an extra SL-40
around that I could ship to you to use for the remainder of your trip. I would
have to verify with an avionics person that it would fit into an SL-30 tray
without problems, which I could test here, since I have an airplane with each
here. I think this would work fine, since the COM radio uses one side of the back
tray and the NAV radio uses the other side. Basically, this would leave your
NAV portion disconnected, but you would still have your COM. You would still
be able to use NAV on the G430 as well as the IFR GPS. Give me a call on the
number below in the morning if I can help you by shipping this radio to you (after
I test the functionality of the swap). This is !
> pr!
>> obably the most expensive option because of shipping, although many avionics
shops are very proud of their connectors (and time, if they won't let you borrow
their crimping tools). This would also save you from having to introduce more
loss into your antenna cables by using one of the two options below. There
is also always the risk that working behind the panel can introduce more problems
into the system that is currently, apparently, working just fine. Leaving
that all alone is a good way to make sure it keeps working correctly.
>>
>> #2 - Your best option short of a new SL-30, as I see it, would be to either
pick a spot where both cables are close to each other that are easy to access
and put a male-female BNC connector on each so you can change which radio is connected
to which antenna, which you can easily switch back. Overall this will
create more loss in the system, but it should be fairly low loss if you have
good connections.
>>
>> #3 - The other option is to cut the cable near the SL-30 tray (leaving enough
room for a reconnection down the road) and putting a male BNC connector on that
cable and connecting it to the G430 COM port (this is assuming that there
is enough cable to reach the G430 connector). Then you could either run the G430
antenna lead going to your wingtip antenna to a location where you can hook
it into your handheld radio, or making an extension cable with a female BNC on
one end and a male BNC on the other end and run that to your handheld radio.
>>
>> GOD BLESS!
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>> C: 352-427-0285
>> F: 815-377-3694
>>
>> On May 11, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Coming into town a few days ago my SL30 went intermittent as we flew thru some
storms north of Phoenix. I used my G430 radio to get us in but rediscovered
that the limited range of my wingtip antenna will be a problem heading back
to NC.
>>>
>>> After unsuccessfully trying to get some avionics help here at KSDL, my best
options appear to be 1) swap the antenna leads on the SL30 and G430 to get the
needed range and 2) buy a handheld for backup.
>>>
>>> Re #2, I'm here long enough to have a radio delivered.
>>>
>>> Re #1 Does anyone know a local avionics tech that would able and willing to
help do the swap. I'm pretty sure the two radios have different plugs (?) and
will require some termination work. I can do it given the tools don't have
them with me.
>>>
>>> Any leads on local resources is appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bill "grounded comfortably in Paradise Valley" Watson
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Radio problem in Phoenix - need some help |
I'll try to check this morning to see if the -40 will work in the -30 tray.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On May 12, 2012, at 2:39 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> Jesse, I agree that #1 would be optimal. But I'm most confident trying to do
#3. At this point I really don't know where the failure is and it could be in
the audio panel or elsewhere. (the SL30 still lights up properly and looks
like it is operating, but I just get static on Rx while Tx function is unknown).
>
> I'd love to slip a SL30 or 40 in to see what happens... But I could still be
stuck is what I'm thinking.
>
> Would very much like to know if 40 would work though.
>
> And maybe a handheld is a dead end.
>
> Bill
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 11, 2012, at 8:12 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> The SL-30 does have a special connector at the back of the tray, while the G430
has a male BNC connector.
>>
>> #1 - Getting two fully-functional, panel-mounted radios would be the best option
overall, if you have a good way of doing that. A handheld has much lower
power output than an SL-30/-40/G430, which, added to your wingtip COM antenna,
will be very far from a good option for a second radio. I have an extra SL-40
around that I could ship to you to use for the remainder of your trip. I would
have to verify with an avionics person that it would fit into an SL-30 tray
without problems, which I could test here, since I have an airplane with each
here. I think this would work fine, since the COM radio uses one side of the back
tray and the NAV radio uses the other side. Basically, this would leave your
NAV portion disconnected, but you would still have your COM. You would still
be able to use NAV on the G430 as well as the IFR GPS. Give me a call on the
number below in the morning if I can help you by shipping this radio to you (after
I test the functionality of the swap). This is !
> pr!
>> obably the most expensive option because of shipping, although many avionics
shops are very proud of their connectors (and time, if they won't let you borrow
their crimping tools). This would also save you from having to introduce more
loss into your antenna cables by using one of the two options below. There
is also always the risk that working behind the panel can introduce more problems
into the system that is currently, apparently, working just fine. Leaving
that all alone is a good way to make sure it keeps working correctly.
>>
>> #2 - Your best option short of a new SL-30, as I see it, would be to either
pick a spot where both cables are close to each other that are easy to access
and put a male-female BNC connector on each so you can change which radio is connected
to which antenna, which you can easily switch back. Overall this will
create more loss in the system, but it should be fairly low loss if you have
good connections.
>>
>> #3 - The other option is to cut the cable near the SL-30 tray (leaving enough
room for a reconnection down the road) and putting a male BNC connector on that
cable and connecting it to the G430 COM port (this is assuming that there
is enough cable to reach the G430 connector). Then you could either run the G430
antenna lead going to your wingtip antenna to a location where you can hook
it into your handheld radio, or making an extension cable with a female BNC on
one end and a male BNC on the other end and run that to your handheld radio.
>>
>> GOD BLESS!
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>> C: 352-427-0285
>> F: 815-377-3694
>>
>> On May 11, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Coming into town a few days ago my SL30 went intermittent as we flew thru some
storms north of Phoenix. I used my G430 radio to get us in but rediscovered
that the limited range of my wingtip antenna will be a problem heading back
to NC.
>>>
>>> After unsuccessfully trying to get some avionics help here at KSDL, my best
options appear to be 1) swap the antenna leads on the SL30 and G430 to get the
needed range and 2) buy a handheld for backup.
>>>
>>> Re #2, I'm here long enough to have a radio delivered.
>>>
>>> Re #1 Does anyone know a local avionics tech that would able and willing to
help do the swap. I'm pretty sure the two radios have different plugs (?) and
will require some termination work. I can do it given the tools don't have
them with me.
>>>
>>> Any leads on local resources is appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bill "grounded comfortably in Paradise Valley" Watson
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Radio problem in Phoenix - need some help |
Yes, and now I remember that most radio shops will do this when they wire up your
radio stack. Bill, I highly recommend that you first, before making any other
plans or going anywhere, look behind the panel to see if there is a female/male
BNC splice about 6" from the SL-30, which would make the temporary fix very
easy.
I'll let you know what I find out about the -40/-30 swap.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On May 12, 2012, at 1:45 AM, Bob Turner wrote:
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> Okay, now I remember. There is an odd (RA?) connector on the back. I got my
Gamin-required wiring harness from Stein, and they wired the connector to a short
length of coax with a female BNC at its end.
>
> So if yours is like that it's easy to swap.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Radio problem in Phoenix - need some help |
Thanks much John and to all others who have offered assistance on and off the list!
At this point I'm committed to cut the cable and hook up the good antenna to the
good radio for the rest of the trip... With some help from my RV 10 friends.
Thanks to all!
Bill Watson
N215TG
Sent from my iPad
On May 12, 2012, at 5:52 AM, John Jessen <n212pj@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bill, I have a 30 sitting on my bench and could overnight it to you, should you
need it until you figure out what the problem is.
>
> John
>
> ... by phone
>
> On May 11, 2012, at 11:39 PM, Bill Watson <mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Jesse, I agree that #1 would be optimal. But I'm most confident trying to do
#3. At this point I really don't know where the failure is and it could be
in the audio panel or elsewhere. (the SL30 still lights up properly and looks
like it is operating, but I just get static on Rx while Tx function is unknown).
>>
>> I'd love to slip a SL30 or 40 in to see what happens... But I could still be
stuck is what I'm thinking.
>>
>> Would very much like to know if 40 would work though.
>>
>> And maybe a handheld is a dead end.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On May 11, 2012, at 8:12 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> The SL-30 does have a special connector at the back of the tray, while the
G430 has a male BNC connector.
>>>
>>> #1 - Getting two fully-functional, panel-mounted radios would be the best option
overall, if you have a good way of doing that. A handheld has much lower
power output than an SL-30/-40/G430, which, added to your wingtip COM antenna,
will be very far from a good option for a second radio. I have an extra SL-40
around that I could ship to you to use for the remainder of your trip. I would
have to verify with an avionics person that it would fit into an SL-30 tray
without problems, which I could test here, since I have an airplane with each
here. I think this would work fine, since the COM radio uses one side of the
back tray and the NAV radio uses the other side. Basically, this would leave your
NAV portion disconnected, but you would still have your COM. You would still
be able to use NAV on the G430 as well as the IFR GPS. Give me a call on the
number below in the morning if I can help you by shipping this radio to you
(after I test the functionality of the swap). This is!
> !
>> pr!
>>> obably the most expensive option because of shipping, although many avionics
shops are very proud of their connectors (and time, if they won't let you borrow
their crimping tools). This would also save you from having to introduce
more loss into your antenna cables by using one of the two options below. There
is also always the risk that working behind the panel can introduce more problems
into the system that is currently, apparently, working just fine. Leaving
that all alone is a good way to make sure it keeps working correctly.
>>>
>>> #2 - Your best option short of a new SL-30, as I see it, would be to either
pick a spot where both cables are close to each other that are easy to access
and put a male-female BNC connector on each so you can change which radio is
connected to which antenna, which you can easily switch back. Overall this will
create more loss in the system, but it should be fairly low loss if you have
good connections.
>>>
>>> #3 - The other option is to cut the cable near the SL-30 tray (leaving enough
room for a reconnection down the road) and putting a male BNC connector on
that cable and connecting it to the G430 COM port (this is assuming that there
is enough cable to reach the G430 connector). Then you could either run the G430
antenna lead going to your wingtip antenna to a location where you can hook
it into your handheld radio, or making an extension cable with a female BNC
on one end and a male BNC on the other end and run that to your handheld radio.
>>>
>>> GOD BLESS!
>>>
>>> Jesse Saint
>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>>> C: 352-427-0285
>>> F: 815-377-3694
>>>
>>> On May 11, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Coming into town a few days ago my SL30 went intermittent as we flew thru
some storms north of Phoenix. I used my G430 radio to get us in but rediscovered
that the limited range of my wingtip antenna will be a problem heading back
to NC.
>>>>
>>>> After unsuccessfully trying to get some avionics help here at KSDL, my best
options appear to be 1) swap the antenna leads on the SL30 and G430 to get the
needed range and 2) buy a handheld for backup.
>>>>
>>>> Re #2, I'm here long enough to have a radio delivered.
>>>>
>>>> Re #1 Does anyone know a local avionics tech that would able and willing to
help do the swap. I'm pretty sure the two radios have different plugs (?) and
will require some termination work. I can do it given the tools don't have
them with me.
>>>>
>>>> Any leads on local resources is appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Bill "grounded comfortably in Paradise Valley" Watson
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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I have downloaded the Appventive weight and balance program for my tablet. In the
set-up I am getting my c.g. settings a little off. Is anyone using this or
a similar program with a center of gravity limits chart that can share their data
points for the corners in the diagram of the c.g. envelope? Thanks.
Eric
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| Subject: | Re: W & B programs |
I use an Excel program. Not sure exactly what you're asking, but Van's limits,using
Van's reference datum, are 107.84" forward, 116.24" aft.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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