---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/18/12: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:46 AM - Re: Re: Building the tail cone (Shannon Hicks) 2. 05:16 AM - Re: Re: Building the tail cone (Carlos Trigo) 3. 05:48 AM - Re: Re: Building the tail cone (Ed Kranz) 4. 06:18 AM - Re: Re: Building the tail cone (Carl Froehlich) 5. 06:21 AM - Re: Re: Building the tail cone (Bill Watson) 6. 06:49 AM - Re: Re: Building the tail cone (Bill Watson) 7. 07:00 AM - Re: Re: Building the tail cone (Carlos Trigo) 8. 07:01 AM - Re: Re: Building the tail cone (Carlos Trigo) 9. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Building the tail cone (Kelly McMullen) 10. 08:07 AM - Re: Re: Building the tail cone (Bob Leffler) 11. 09:52 AM - Re: Re: Building the tail cone (Jeff Carpenter) 12. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: Building the tail cone (Robin Marks) 13. 02:37 PM - Re: Re: Building the tail cone (Roger Standley) 14. 06:12 PM - Re: Main gear shudder revisited (bill.peyton) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone From: Shannon Hicks If you are concerned about the quality of the QB, one option is Wally at Synergy Air. He did both my QB wings and fuse. The workmanship was second to none and it was the same price as Van's. Shannon On May 17, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > About what I had...ordered when I figured I need the QB in 10 weeks. 8 > months later I got my shipment, with some significant errors by the > "new" QB facility. Hopefully they have improved in the last 2 yrs. > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Bob Turner wrote: >> >> Due to a backlog of QB orders at Vans', my tailcone was completed before I ever had the QB fuselage. >> >> -------- >> Bob Turner >> RV-10 QB >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373247#373247 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:51 AM PST US From: "Carlos Trigo" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to build the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage. What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fuselage to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone. If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just laid over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig? Carlos > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks > Sent: sexta-feira, 18 de Maio de 2012 12:45 > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone > > > If you are concerned about the quality of the QB, one option is Wally at Synergy > Air. He did both my QB wings and fuse. The workmanship was second to none and > it was the same price as Van's. > > Shannon > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > > > > About what I had...ordered when I figured I need the QB in 10 weeks. 8 > > months later I got my shipment, with some significant errors by the > > "new" QB facility. Hopefully they have improved in the last 2 yrs. > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > >> > >> Due to a backlog of QB orders at Vans', my tailcone was completed before I > ever had the QB fuselage. > >> > >> -------- > >> Bob Turner > >> RV-10 QB > >> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone From: Ed Kranz I'm just finishing up my tail cone, and I think having it attached to the fuse would just make it almost impossible to get things installed. Once you put the longerons and top skin on, it's fully rigid and doesn't need a jig. I built mine on a pair of 2x3's screwed to the top of my bench, overhanging about 2.5 feet. I think I got this idea from Tim Olsen. Worked awesome! This both supported everything well and kept a gap between the bench top and the skins so the clecos wouldn't have interference. I am keeping video of my entire build, so you can see exactly how it goes together here (and in later videos as well): http://www.edandcolleen.com/tail-cone-taking-shape/ I have been able to do all construction on the tail cone single handed up to the point I'm at now. On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote: > Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to > build the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage.**** > > ** ** > > What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB > fuselage to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone.*** > * > > ** ** > > If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just > laid over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig?**** > > ** ** > > Carlos**** > > ** ** > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:51 AM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone It sits on a work bench. Amazingly the CNC pre-punch system is so good that if you follow the instructions the tail cone mates perfectly with the fuselage. From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 8:15 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to build the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage. What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fuselage to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone. If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just laid over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig? Carlos > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks > Sent: sexta-feira, 18 de Maio de 2012 12:45 > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone > > > If you are concerned about the quality of the QB, one option is Wally at Synergy > Air. He did both my QB wings and fuse. The workmanship was second to none and > it was the same price as Van's. > > Shannon > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > > > > About what I had...ordered when I figured I need the QB in 10 weeks. 8 > > months later I got my shipment, with some significant errors by the > > "new" QB facility. Hopefully they have improved in the last 2 yrs. > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > >> > >> Due to a backlog of QB orders at Vans', my tailcone was completed before I > ever had the QB fuselage. > >> > >> -------- > >> Bob Turner > >> RV-10 QB > >> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone From: Bill Watson Hanging it would only make it more difficult. You'll want to build the tail cne on a flat bench. No jig. What worked well for me was large back riveting plate. Mine was about 24" x 12" x 1/4" (guesstimate) from a local scap yard. This was laid on the benc h and scrap 1/4" ply from the crate was used to fit around the plate to prov ide a folate surface for the cone to lie on. With that setup, you can backrivet 80% or more of rivets flat on the bench . That makes high quality results very easy. A short and long backrivet se t is needed. For many of the rivets that can't be backriveted flat on the bench, you can u se a back rivet bucking bar (larger mushroom shaped) and bang the rivets wit h the backrivet set from inside the cone. Again, most of this is easily don e laying on a flat bench. I considered most riveting that required crawling in the cone after it was h ung the result of planning oversights. Everything done on the bench was don e single handed. Bill Watson Sent from my iPad On May 18, 2012, at 8:14 AM, "Carlos Trigo" wrote: > Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to bui ld the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage. > > What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fuselag e to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone. > > If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just lai d over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig? > > Carlos > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- > > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks > > Sent: sexta-feira, 18 de Maio de 2012 12:45 > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone > > > > > > If you are concerned about the quality of the QB, one option is Wally at Synergy > > Air. He did both my QB wings and fuse. The workmanship was second to non e and > > it was the same price as Van's. > > > > Shannon > > > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > > > > > > > About what I had...ordered when I figured I need the QB in 10 weeks. 8 > > > months later I got my shipment, with some significant errors by the > > > "new" QB facility. Hopefully they have improved in the last 2 yrs. > > > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Bob Turner w rote: > > > >> > > >> Due to a backlog of QB orders at Vans', my tailcone was completed bef ore I > > ever had the QB fuselage. > > >> > > >> -------- > > >> Bob Turner > > >> RV-10 QB > > >> > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone From: Bill Watson I should add that for the clecoing and match drilling you need saw horses or something to raise cone off the bench to clear the clecos. It becomes pret ty obvious as you proceed. Yes, the accuracy of the CNC stuff is simply amazing. It just all fits despi te your best efforts. Bill Sent from my iPad On May 18, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Bill Watson wrote: > Hanging it would only make it more difficult. You'll want to build the ta ilcne on a flat bench. No jig. > > What worked well for me was large back riveting plate. Mine was about 24" x 12" x 1/4" (guesstimate) from a local scap yard. This was laid on the be nch and scrap 1/4" ply from the crate was used to fit around the plate to pr ovide a folate surface for the cone to lie on. > > With that setup, you can backrivet 80% or more of rivets flat on the ben ch. That makes high quality results very easy. A short and long backrivet s et is needed. > > For many of the rivets that can't be backriveted flat on the bench, you ca n use a back rivet bucking bar (larger mushroom shaped) and bang the rivets w ith the backrivet set from inside the cone. Again, most of this is easily d one laying on a flat bench. > > I considered most riveting that required crawling in the cone after it was hung the result of planning oversights. Everything done on the bench was d one single handed. > > Bill Watson > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 18, 2012, at 8:14 AM, "Carlos Trigo" wrote: > >> Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to bu ild the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage. >> >> What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fusela ge to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone. >> >> If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just la id over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig? >> >> Carlos >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- >> > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks >> > Sent: sexta-feira, 18 de Maio de 2012 12:45 >> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone >> > >> > >> > If you are concerned about the quality of the QB, one option is Wally a t Synergy >> > Air. He did both my QB wings and fuse. The workmanship was second to no ne and >> > it was the same price as Van's. >> > >> > Shannon >> > >> > On May 17, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > About what I had...ordered when I figured I need the QB in 10 weeks. 8 >> > > months later I got my shipment, with some significant errors by the >> > > "new" QB facility. Hopefully they have improved in the last 2 yrs. >> > > >> > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Bob Turner w rote: u> >> > >> >> > >> Due to a backlog of QB orders at Vans', my tailcone was completed be fore I >> > ever had the QB fuselage. >> > >> >> > >> -------- >> > >> Bob Turner >> > >> RV-10 QB >> > >> >> >> >> >> ========================= ========= >> ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> ========================= ========= >> cs.com >> ========================= ========= >> matronics.com/contribution >> ========================= ========= >> > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:37 AM PST US From: "Carlos Trigo" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone Thanks Ed That's exactly the kind of answer I was looking for Regards Carlos _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Kranz Sent: sexta-feira, 18 de Maio de 2012 13:48 Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone I'm just finishing up my tail cone, and I think having it attached to the fuse would just make it almost impossible to get things installed. Once you put the longerons and top skin on, it's fully rigid and doesn't need a jig. I built mine on a pair of 2x3's screwed to the top of my bench, overhanging about 2.5 feet. I think I got this idea from Tim Olsen. Worked awesome! This both supported everything well and kept a gap between the bench top and the skins so the clecos wouldn't have interference. I am keeping video of my entire build, so you can see exactly how it goes together here (and in later videos as well): http://www.edandcolleen.com/tail-cone-taking-shape/ I have been able to do all construction on the tail cone single handed up to the point I'm at now. On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote: Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to build the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage. What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fuselage to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone. If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just laid over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig? Carlos ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:44 AM PST US From: "Carlos Trigo" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone Thanks Bill do not archive _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson Sent: sexta-feira, 18 de Maio de 2012 14:21 Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone Hanging it would only make it more difficult. You'll want to build the tailcne on a flat bench. No jig. What worked well for me was large back riveting plate. Mine was about 24" x 12" x 1/4" (guesstimate) from a local scap yard. This was laid on the bench and scrap 1/4" ply from the crate was used to fit around the plate to provide a folate surface for the cone to lie on. With that setup, you can backrivet 80% or more of rivets flat on the bench. That makes high quality results very easy. A short and long backrivet set is needed. For many of the rivets that can't be backriveted flat on the bench, you can use a back rivet bucking bar (larger mushroom shaped) and bang the rivets with the backrivet set from inside the cone. Again, most of this is easily done laying on a flat bench. I considered most riveting that required crawling in the cone after it was hung the result of planning oversights. Everything done on the bench was done single handed. Bill Watson Sent from my iPad On May 18, 2012, at 8:14 AM, "Carlos Trigo" wrote: Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to build the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage. What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fuselage to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone. If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just laid over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig? Carlos > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks > Sent: sexta-feira, 18 de Maio de 2012 12:45 > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone > > > If you are concerned about the quality of the QB, one option is Wally at Synergy > Air. He did both my QB wings and fuse. The workmanship was second to none and > it was the same price as Van's. > > Shannon > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > > > > About what I had...ordered when I figured I need the QB in 10 weeks. 8 > > months later I got my shipment, with some significant errors by the > > "new" QB facility. Hopefully they have improved in the last 2 yrs. > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > >> > >> Due to a backlog of QB orders at Vans', my tailcone was completed before I > ever had the QB fuselage. > >> > >> -------- > >> Bob Turner > >> RV-10 QB > >> ================================== ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ================================== cs.com ================================== matronics.com/contribution ================================== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:26 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone If you are just starting out, it is well worth the money to get a #40 and #30 chucking reamer. Keeps the holes rounder and more accurate, as well as reducing need for deburring. (actually, since most holes are dimpled, which enlarges the hole, a #41 reamer gives a finished hole closer to AN3 rivet size). Avery and other tool sources stock the reamers. On 5/18/2012 6:48 AM, Bill Watson wrote: > I should add that for the clecoing and match drilling you need saw > horses or something to raise cone off the bench to clear the clecos. > It becomes pretty obvious as you proceed. > > Yes, the accuracy of the CNC stuff is simply amazing. It just all fits > despite your best efforts. > > Bill > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 18, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Bill Watson > wrote: > >> Hanging it would only make it more difficult. You'll want to build >> the tailcne on a flat bench. No jig. >> >> What worked well for me was large back riveting plate. Mine was >> about 24" x 12" x 1/4" (guesstimate) from a local scap yard. This >> was laid on the bench and scrap 1/4" ply from the crate was used to >> fit around the plate to provide a folate surface for the cone to lie on. >> >> With that setup, you can backrivet 80% or more of rivets flat on >> the bench. That makes high quality results very easy. A short and >> long backrivet set is needed. >> >> For many of the rivets that can't be backriveted flat on the bench, >> you can use a back rivet bucking bar (larger mushroom shaped) and >> bang the rivets with the backrivet set from inside the cone. Again, >> most of this is easily done laying on a flat bench. >> >> I considered most riveting that required crawling in the cone after >> it was hung the result of planning oversights. Everything done on >> the bench was done single handed. >> >> Bill Watson >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On May 18, 2012, at 8:14 AM, "Carlos Trigo" > > wrote: >> >>> Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you >>> to build the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage. >>> >>> What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB >>> fuselage to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone. >>> >>> If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? >>> Just laid over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig? >>> >>> Carlos >>> >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> >>> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list- >>> >>> > server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of >>> Shannon Hicks >>> >>> > Sent: sexta-feira, 18 de Maio de 2012 12:45 >>> >>> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>> >>> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > If you are concerned about the quality of the QB, one option is >>> Wally at Synergy >>> >>> > Air. He did both my QB wings and fuse. The workmanship was second >>> to none and >>> >>> > it was the same price as Van's. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Shannon >>> >>> > >>> >>> > On May 17, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Kelly McMullen >> > wrote: >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > About what I had...ordered when I figured I need the QB in 10 >>> weeks. 8 >>> >>> > > months later I got my shipment, with some significant errors by the >>> >>> > > "new" QB facility. Hopefully they have improved in the last 2 yrs. >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Bob Turner >>> > wrote: >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> > >> Due to a backlog of QB orders at Vans', my tailcone was >>> completed before I >>> >>> > ever had the QB fuselage. >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> > >> -------- >>> >>> > >> Bob Turner >>> >>> > >> RV-10 QB >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> * >>> >>> ================================== >>> ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>> ================================== >>> cs.com >>> ================================== >>> matronics.com/contribution >>> ================================== >>> >>> * >> * >> >> ================================== >> ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> ================================== >> cs.com >> ================================== >> matronics.com/contribution >> ================================== >> >> * > * > > > * ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone From: Bob Leffler Serves no real advantage other than to take up more space. Following the pla ns in this case would be the best practice. Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2012, at 7:14 AM, "Carlos Trigo" wrote: Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to build the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage. What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fuselage t o hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone. If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just laid o ver your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig? Carlos > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks > Sent: sexta-feira, 18 de Maio de 2012 12:45 > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone > > > If you are concerned about the quality of the QB, one option is Wally at S ynergy > Air. He did both my QB wings and fuse. The workmanship was second to none a nd > it was the same price as Van's. > > Shannon > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > > > > About what I had...ordered when I figured I need the QB in 10 weeks. 8 > > months later I got my shipment, with some significant errors by the > > "new" QB facility. Hopefully they have improved in the last 2 yrs. > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Bob Turner wro te: > >> > >> Due to a backlog of QB orders at Vans', my tailcone was completed befor e I > ever had the QB fuselage. > >> > >> -------- > >> Bob Turner > >> RV-10 QB > >> ========================== ======== ========================== ======== ========================== ======== ========================== ======== ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:28 AM PST US From: Jeff Carpenter Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone It helps to have one of these: Do Not Archive On May 18, 2012, at 5:14 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote: > Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you > to build the tail cone separately from the middle and forward > fuselage. > > What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB > fuselage to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail > cone. > > If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? > Just laid over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig? > > Carlos > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- > > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks > > Sent: sexta-feira, 18 de Maio de 2012 12:45 > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone > > > > > > If you are concerned about the quality of the QB, one option is > Wally at Synergy > > Air. He did both my QB wings and fuse. The workmanship was second > to none and > > it was the same price as Van's. > > > > Shannon > > > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Kelly McMullen > wrote: > > > > > > > > > About what I had...ordered when I figured I need the QB in 10 > weeks. 8 > > > months later I got my shipment, with some significant errors by > the > > > "new" QB facility. Hopefully they have improved in the last 2 yrs. > > > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Bob Turner > wrote: > > > > >> > > >> Due to a backlog of QB orders at Vans', my tailcone was > completed before I > > ever had the QB fuselage. > > >> > > >> -------- > > >> Bob Turner > > >> RV-10 QB > > >> > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:37 AM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone I strongly suggest renting one of those. There are many maintenance issues associated with ownership. Robin Do not archive Sent from the new iPad On May 18, 2012, at 10:16 AM, "Jeff Carpenter" > wrote: It helps to have one of these: <100_3235.jpg> Do Not Archive On May 18, 2012, at 5:14 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote: Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to buil d the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage. What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fuselage to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone. If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just laid over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig? Carlos > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shannon H icks > Sent: sexta-feira, 18 de Maio de 2012 12:45 > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone > o:civeng123@gmail.com>> > > If you are concerned about the quality of the QB, one option is Wally at Synergy > Air. He did both my QB wings and fuse. The workmanship was second to none and > it was the same price as Van's. > > Shannon > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Kelly McMullen > wrote: > to:apilot2@gmail.com>> > > > > About what I had...ordered when I figured I need the QB in 10 weeks. 8 > > months later I got my shipment, with some significant errors by the > > "new" QB facility. Hopefully they have improved in the last 2 yrs. > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Bob Turner > wrote: mailto:bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>> > >> > >> Due to a backlog of QB orders at Vans', my tailcone was completed befo re I > ever had the QB fuselage. > >> > >> -------- > >> Bob Turner > >> RV-10 QB > >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?RV10-List blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.co m/contribution ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:04 PM PST US From: "Roger Standley" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone Couldn't have done it without mine! Roger #40291 flying 215 hours ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Marks To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 10:21 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone I strongly suggest renting one of those. There are many maintenance issues associated with ownership. Robin Do not archive Sent from the new iPad On May 18, 2012, at 10:16 AM, "Jeff Carpenter" > wrote: It helps to have one of these: <100_3235.jpg> Do Not Archive On May 18, 2012, at 5:14 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote: Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to build the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage. What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fuselage to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone. If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just laid over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig? Carlos > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks > Sent: sexta-feira, 18 de Maio de 2012 12:45 > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone > > > > If you are concerned about the quality of the QB, one option is Wally at Synergy > Air. He did both my QB wings and fuse. The workmanship was second to none and > it was the same price as Van's. > > Shannon > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Kelly McMullen > wrote: > > > > > > About what I had...ordered when I figured I need the QB in 10 weeks. 8 > > months later I got my shipment, with some significant errors by the > > "new" QB facility. Hopefully they have improved in the last 2 yrs. > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Bob Turner > wrote: > > >> > >> Due to a backlog of QB orders at Vans', my tailcone was completed before I > ever had the QB fuselage. > >> > >> -------- > >> Bob Turner > >> RV-10 QB > >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:13 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Main gear shudder revisited From: "bill.peyton" Sean, Is the shudder from the main gear? 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