---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/31/12: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:57 AM - Re: fuel filter inspection (Carl Froehlich) 2. 04:19 AM - Re: fuel filter inspection (bob-tcw) 3. 04:21 AM - Re: fuel filter inspection (Dj Merrill) 4. 12:42 PM - Royco Brake fluid (hotwheels) 5. 12:55 PM - Re: Royco Brake fluid (Tim Olson) 6. 01:01 PM - Re: Royco Brake fluid (Ralph E. Capen) 7. 01:08 PM - Re: Nose Gear Incert tool (speckter@comcast.net) 8. 02:06 PM - Re: Royco Brake fluid (hotwheels) 9. 02:15 PM - Re: Re: Royco Brake fluid (Kelly McMullen) 10. 05:20 PM - Re: Re: Nose Gear Incert tool () 11. 07:39 PM - Re: Re: Nose Gear Incert tool (Bob Condrey) 12. 08:45 PM - Re: Re: Nose Gear Incert tool () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:54 AM PST US From: Carl Froehlich Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel filter inspection Bob, Please consider the aspect that unless the gas collators are physically loca ted below the lowest point of the fuel tank (for the RV-10 this means below t he wing in the breeze), they will not provide a means to remove water from t he fuel tank. Collators are not a water separator, they simply provide a p lace to collect water as gravity lets it find it's lowest level under static , no flow conditions. This is why collators are so popular on high wing air craft. By design the fuel tank sumps are located at the lowest point in the tank. W ithout these sumps you have no means of draining water from the tanks - unti l of course the collected water builds to the point of being picked up in th e fuel suction. Again, the collators are not water separators. Any water p icked up in the fuel suction will simply pass through the collator to the en gine. Carl RV-8A (800 hrs) RV-10 (4 hrs) On May 30, 2012, at 9:20 PM, "bob-tcw" wrote: > I used two filters for the fuel system, one at each wing root. I can i nspect and clean them by removing the wing root covers. (which takes all of 10 minutes) > > I used the andair gas filter/collators, however I decided to NOT put in su mp-able drains, but rather plug the bottom fitting. I wanted no chance of e ver drawing air in since this part would be in vacuum with respect to outsid e air pressure, therefore, sucking air means no fuel flow. > > So far so good. and no need to work inside the tunnel on a regular basis. > > Regarding cleaning, we have the same filter on our glastar (13 years now) , it gets cleaned at every annual condition inspection. > > Here is a link to pictures in my picasa album with the pictures. > > https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/30eqPlZJYV9kbhKtAZr5D9MTjNZETYmyPJy0 liipFm0?feat=directlink > > https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/DdM_Qnx2tIXgNyCIg3bspdMTjNZETYmyPJy0 liipFm0?feat=directlink > > > Bob Newman > N541RV > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:26 AM PST US From: "bob-tcw" Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel filter inspection Carl, Thanks for clarifying that point. I have the stock Van=99s drain sumps for this exact reason. I chose the Andair filter/collators not for the collator function at all, but because they had a nice mounting means and they have the same micron level filter as recommended by AFP for the fuel injection system. Also, from my experience in the glastar, they are very easy to disassemble and clean without disturbing any of the associated plumbing. Bob N541RV From: Carl Froehlich Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:56 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel filter inspection Bob, Please consider the aspect that unless the gas collators are physically located below the lowest point of the fuel tank (for the RV-10 this means below the wing in the breeze), they will not provide a means to remove water from the fuel tank. Collators are not a water separator, they simply provide a place to collect water as gravity lets it find it's lowest level under static, no flow conditions. This is why collators are so popular on high wing aircraft. By design the fuel tank sumps are located at the lowest point in the tank. Without these sumps you have no means of draining water from the tanks - until of course the collected water builds to the point of being picked up in the fuel suction. Again, the collators are not water separators. Any water picked up in the fuel suction will simply pass through the collator to the engine. Carl RV-8A (800 hrs) RV-10 (4 hrs) On May 30, 2012, at 9:20 PM, "bob-tcw" wrote: I used two filters for the fuel system, one at each wing root. I can inspect and clean them by removing the wing root covers. (which takes all of 10 minutes) I used the andair gas filter/collators, however I decided to NOT put in sump-able drains, but rather plug the bottom fitting. I wanted no chance of ever drawing air in since this part would be in vacuum with respect to outside air pressure, therefore, sucking air means no fuel flow. So far so good. and no need to work inside the tunnel on a regular basis. Regarding cleaning, we have the same filter on our glastar (13 years now), it gets cleaned at every annual condition inspection. Here is a link to pictures in my picasa album with the pictures. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/30eqPlZJYV9kbhKtAZr5D9MTjNZETYmyPJy 0liipFm0?feat=directlink https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/DdM_Qnx2tIXgNyCIg3bspdMTjNZETYmyPJy 0liipFm0?feat=directlink Bob Newman N541RV ========= ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel filter inspection From: Dj Merrill On May 31, 2012, at 6:56 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote: > Again, the collators are not water separators. Any water picked up in the fuel suction will simply pass through the collator to the engine. > Just FYI, the Andair gascolator has a water separator filter built into it that will allow fuel to pass but hold water back. I asked Andair what would happen if the gascolator were to fill with water, would it pass any water in order to allow further fuel to pass, and it will. Looking at the inside of the one I bought, there appears to be a small 1/4 inch "override" screen at the top of the gascolator. I agree completely with the assessment of the fuel drains in the tank. Bad Idea not to include them. -Dj ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:56 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Royco Brake fluid From: "hotwheels" I received a quart of Royco Brake Fluid recently. It's the high temp mil-spec stuff and comes in a metal can. I understand that it doesn't take a whole lot of fluid to top off -10 brakes. So the question is... What to do with the leftover fluid once the can is opened? 1) Toss it (I hate this one) 2) Save in another container of some sort. Plastic? Maybe that would break down (no pun intended)? Glass? 3) Seal it up in a zip-lock and try not to dump it. Ugh. 4) Something else? Thanks for any thoughts on this one. Regards, Jay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374415#374415 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:55:31 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Royco Brake fluid I think it would store fine in a nice poly bottle. I had a leftover bottle from some of the standard fluid that I emptied and I put it in that. Worst case, I'm sure it would be ok in a standard oil bottle....so you could completely drain and drip out a quart of ATF and put it in there, but you'd want to label it well. Tim On 5/31/2012 2:41 PM, hotwheels wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "hotwheels" > > I received a quart of Royco Brake Fluid recently. It's the high temp mil-spec stuff and comes in a metal can. I understand that it doesn't take a whole lot of fluid to top off -10 brakes. So the question is... What to do with the leftover fluid once the can is opened? > > 1) Toss it (I hate this one) > > 2) Save in another container of some sort. Plastic? Maybe that would break down (no pun intended)? Glass? > > 3) Seal it up in a zip-lock and try not to dump it. Ugh. > > 4) Something else? > > Thanks for any thoughts on this one. > > Regards, > Jay > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374415#374415 > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:01:45 PM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Royco Brake fluid When I opened mine, I did it with a two screws that I could put a gasket on and reinsert in to the openings. I kept it - glad I did as I recently replaced the brake fluid (three years service) and used the 'fresh' stuff I had kept. -----Original Message----- >From: hotwheels >Sent: May 31, 2012 3:41 PM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: Royco Brake fluid > > >I received a quart of Royco Brake Fluid recently. It's the high temp mil-spec stuff and comes in a metal can. I understand that it doesn't take a whole lot of fluid to top off -10 brakes. So the question is... What to do with the leftover fluid once the can is opened? > >1) Toss it (I hate this one) > >2) Save in another container of some sort. Plastic? Maybe that would break down (no pun intended)? Glass? > >3) Seal it up in a zip-lock and try not to dump it. Ugh. > >4) Something else? > >Thanks for any thoughts on this one. > >Regards, >Jay > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374415#374415 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:08:27 PM PST US From: speckter@comcast.net Subject: RV10-List: Re: Nose Gear Incert tool Is the tool for putting incerts into the fork still floating around?=C2- I could use it. Gary Specketer ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:06:35 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Royco Brake fluid From: "hotwheels" I liked the oil can idea. I think one of those should be easy to find. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=33493&highlight=brake+fluid Jay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374428#374428 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:15:30 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Royco Brake fluid Just take an empty oil bottle, flush it with some mineral spirits and drain thoroughly, re-label and add your brake fluid. On 5/31/2012 2:05 PM, hotwheels wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "hotwheels" > > I liked the oil can idea. I think one of those should be easy to find. > > http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=33493&highlight=brake+fluid > > Jay > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374428#374428 > > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:05 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Nose Gear Incert tool Hey Gary, The helicoil kit lives here with me and rents for $5 plus shipping. Let me know your address and I=99ll get it out to you as soon as I replenish the coils =93 it came back empty after the last circuit. Also let me know if you want the longer bolts so that the tow ears extend beyond the pants (keeps tow jockies from messing up your pants). Later, =93 Lew do not archive From: speckter@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:08 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Nose Gear Incert tool Is the tool for putting incerts into the fork still floating around? I could use it. Gary Specketer ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Nose Gear Incert tool From: Bob Condrey Lewis, I'd like to get it after Gary please. Thanks Bob Sent from my iPad On May 31, 2012, at 7:20 PM, wrote: > Hey Gary, > > The helicoil kit lives here with me and rents for $5 plus shipping. Let m e know your address and I=99ll get it out to you as soon as I replenis h the coils =93 it came back empty after the last circuit. > > Also let me know if you want the longer bolts so that the tow ears extend b eyond the pants (keeps tow jockies from messing up your pants). > > Later, =93 Lew > > do not archive > > > From: speckter@comcast.net > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:08 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Nose Gear Incert tool > > Is the tool for putting incerts into the fork still floating around? I co uld use it. > > > > Gary Specketer > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:52 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Nose Gear Incert tool Hey Bob, I=99ll need a mailing address ... and it really is Lew, not Lewis. Later, =93 Lew From: Bob Condrey Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:38 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Nose Gear Incert tool Lewis, I'd like to get it after Gary please. Thanks Bob Sent from my iPad On May 31, 2012, at 7:20 PM, wrote: Hey Gary, The helicoil kit lives here with me and rents for $5 plus shipping. Let me know your address and I=99ll get it out to you as soon as I replenish the coils =93 it came back empty after the last circuit. Also let me know if you want the longer bolts so that the tow ears extend beyond the pants (keeps tow jockies from messing up your pants). 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