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1. 01:17 AM - Duct Support (LeoCruz)
2. 03:00 AM - : broken pilot step (Etandrews)
3. 06:59 AM - Re: : broken pilot step (AirMike)
4. 08:24 AM - Re: Whelen LED nav/strobes (Ben Westfall)
5. 08:57 AM - Re: Re: : broken pilot step (Werner Schneider)
6. 09:28 AM - Re: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (Jae Chang)
7. 04:09 PM - Re: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (Robin Marks)
8. 06:03 PM - Re: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (Seano)
9. 06:13 PM - Re: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (egodfrey@ameritech.net)
10. 07:05 PM - Re: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (Phillip Perry)
11. 08:19 PM - Re: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (Sean Stephens)
12. 10:33 PM - Re: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (Robin Marks)
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| Subject: | : broken pilot step |
Everyone
I have had a broken pilots step after approximately 200hrs flying. I noticed
a minor crack in the paint above the top weld where the upright section of the
step connected to the horizontal fuselage section. Later that day when alighting
the step it failed. The weld appeared almost non existent. It may be
worth inspecting your own steps for signs of failure. I am planning to install
an inspection hatch to access the step anchor bolt along with a new step.
Kind regards
Evan Andrews
VH-OSH Australia flying
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: : broken pilot step |
Truly sorry to hear about the broken step. At least nobody was hurt when it broke
- could have caused a nasty gash. I have long recommended an inspection hatch
for the step bolt as well as to check on corrosion. I used the access hatch
from the wing. Installed it fits flush.
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See you OSH '12
Q/B - flying 2 yrs.
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| Subject: | Whelen LED nav/strobes |
A follow up about the Microburst line of lights from Whelen as Patrick
eluded to I did find the install instructions which state
right at the top =9CProduct does not meet the requirements of
91.205(c), required equipment for night flight. Airplanes certified for
night operation should not consider this product.=9D
http://www.whelen.com/install/143/14360.pdf
-Ben
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:42 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Whelen LED nav/strobes
That=99s a good point to which I am unsure.
Their website is not the best and I cannot seem to find much in the way
of tech doc=99s. The Aveo embedded ones are probably the slickest
=9Clooking=9D ones out there but buying those w/tail strobe
is well over $1k compared to Whelen=99s $499 for all 3.
I=99m aware of the Kestrel products and ztronlabs.com alternatives
but was really wondering about Whelen=99s in particular.
-Ben
You need to ask do they meet FAA regulation for night flight, able50 see
them up and down. Not just outward.
Patrick Thyssen
N15pt
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 4, 2012, at 1:21 PM, "Ben Westfall" <rv10@sinkrate.com> wrote:
Does anyone have experience with Whelen=99s newer Microburst LED
Nav/Strobe setup?
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/microburstIItailwhelen.php
At first glance they seem equivalent in functionality to the Aero Leds
and/or Aveo products at roughly half the price.
Ben Westfall
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| Subject: | Re: : broken pilot step |
Mike,
how did you solve that two of your screws are hidden behind the riveted
baggage side panel? Any picture with that panel in place? I moved mine a
little bit to the center and cut out a bit on the flange of the panel.
Cheers Werner
On 05.06.2012 15:57, AirMike wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "AirMike"<Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
>
> Truly sorry to hear about the broken step. At least nobody was hurt when it broke
- could have caused a nasty gash. I have long recommended an inspection hatch
for the step bolt as well as to check on corrosion. I used the access hatch
from the wing. Installed it fits flush.
>
> --------
> See you OSH '12
> Q/B - flying 2 yrs.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374755#374755
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| Subject: | Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals |
I never did the build-up for the mcmaster seal, so it is constantly
falling off. In retrospect, i wish i had used a simple foam seal. It
would have been far far simpler and easier to maintain than either the
mcmaster seal or the stock seal.
Jae
--
#40533 RV-10
First flight 10/19/2011
Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011
do not archive
On 6/4/2012 9:09 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
> >>trim the gutter so there is 1/8" gap<<
>
> It turns out you don't even need 1/8". The seals compress to less
> than 1/16. I use a couple layers to build up any areas that are more
> than 1/8, or you can use thicker material.
>
> I posted a couple pictures to the list on 10/5/09.
>
> Dave Saylor
> 831-750-0284 <tel:831-750-0284> CL
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| Subject: | Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals |
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| Subject: | Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals |
Ditto for me, thanks to Robin. I copied the grinder tool and it made
the job a lot easier. If I had to do it all over again, I wouldn't
change a thing with the door seal. Definitely quieter than the vans
seal possibly due to the hinge covers and consistent pressure around the
door.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Marks
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals
I cannot hope for a better seal and door fit on my -10 partially due
to the McMaster Carr door seal. Extremely happy we used it. Like many
items on the build you just have to put one foot in front of the other
and one day you are flying. As far as effort we built a simple guide
that we attached to pneumatic grinder and had each door precisely
trimmed in 15 minutes.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jae Chang
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:27 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals
I never did the build-up for the mcmaster seal, so it is constantly
falling off. In retrospect, i wish i had used a simple foam seal. It
would have been far far simpler and easier to maintain than either the
mcmaster seal or the stock seal.
Jae
--
#40533 RV-10First flight 10/19/2011Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011do not
archiveOn 6/4/2012 9:09 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
>>trim the gutter so there is 1/8" gap<<
It turns out you don't even need 1/8". The seals compress to less
than 1/16. I use a couple layers to build up any areas that are more
than 1/8, or you can use thicker material.
I posted a couple pictures to the list on 10/5/09.
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
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| Subject: | Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals |
Just to ask a question, since I am not at the stage installing sun
visors, would it be possible to glass in a "block" that the visor could
be mounted to? That way, you could screw the mount into the block and
not to the cabin top. Any problems with this method that anyone can
throw a flag on the idea?
Ed Godfrey
40717
On 4/10/2012 7:35 AM, jkreidler wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "jkreidler"<jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
>
> We each build our own airplanes and make our own decisions please dont take
this as criticism just food for thought. I had a conversation with Ken K. regarding
drilling holes in the gutter in order to add sun visors the cabin top,
specifically the cabin top posts. Ken indicated that one of the challenges in
the design was getting the cabin top to pass the inverted drop test. He was
visibly uncomfortable with the idea of drilling any holes in the gutter to mount
visors, for those who have had conversations with Ken K. in person you may
know the wince he gives.
>
> By removing the entire inside radius of the gutter in order to install the McMaster
Carr style seal you are significantly changing the section modulus of the
cabin top post and COULD be significantly increasing the likelihood of a cabin
top failure in a roll over type accident. Just something to consider as you
make what may seem to be a harmless improvement to the design.
>
> Again, these are your decisions I am only trying to provide an alternate perspective
to the decision.
>
> Thanks Jason
>
> --------
> Jason Kreidler
> 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
> N44YH - Flying - #40617
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370434#370434
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals |
That is what I wanted to do originally. But there just isn't that much
space to work with, so they kinda find their own spot.
If you don't have an overhead center console, you might have a few more
inches to work with, but not much. The curve of the door frame pretty much
dictates where they go.
On that topic, I would wait on determining the visors position until the
the panel can be installed temporarily and the seats (with foam) adjusted
so they're comfortable. Once you're comfortable in the cockpit, then
figure out where the visors go. It's pretty easy to put them directly in
the line of vision if you don't go through the prep work to put the cockpit
together.
Phil
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 7:34 PM, egodfrey@ameritech.net <
egodfrey@ameritech.net> wrote:
> egodfrey@ameritech.net>
>
> Just to ask a question, since I am not at the stage installing sun visors,
> would it be possible to glass in a "block" that the visor could be mounted
> to? That way, you could screw the mount into the block and not to the cabin
> top. Any problems with this method that anyone can throw a flag on the idea?
>
> Ed Godfrey
> 40717
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals |
15 minutes? I'd like to see a pic of this guide. It could cut a couple
hours off my total build time on my next RV-10! :)
On 6/5/12 5:19 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
> I cannot hope for a better seal and door fit on my -10 partially due
> to the McMaster Carr door seal. Extremely happy we used it. Like many
> items on the build you just have to put one foot in front of the other
> and one day you are flying. As far as effort we built a simple guide
> that we attached to pneumatic grinder and had each door precisely
> trimmed in 15 minutes.
>
> Robin
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jae Chang
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:27 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals
>
> I never did the build-up for the mcmaster seal, so it is constantly
> falling off. In retrospect, i wish i had used a simple foam seal. It
> would have been far far simpler and easier to maintain than either the
> mcmaster seal or the stock seal.
>
> Jae
> --
>
> #40533 RV-10
> First flight 10/19/2011
> Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011
> do not archive
>
> On 6/4/2012 9:09 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
>
> >>trim the gutter so there is 1/8" gap<<
>
> It turns out you don't even need 1/8". The seals compress to less
> than 1/16. I use a couple layers to build up any areas that are more
> than 1/8, or you can use thicker material.
>
> I posted a couple pictures to the list on 10/5/09.
>
> Dave Saylor
> 831-750-0284 <tel:831-750-0284> CL
>
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| Subject: | Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals |
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