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1. 04:15 AM - Re: Re: : broken pilot step (Etandrews)
2. 05:53 AM - Re: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (g.combs)
3. 06:40 AM - Re: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (Seano)
4. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (Bob)
5. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (Seano)
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| Subject: | Re: : broken pilot step |
Thanks Mike - this one caught me by surprise. Very good thinking about the installation
of the hatch during the build. It will be fun to get the building
gear out for a change.
Regards
Evan
Sent from my iPad
On 05/06/2012, at 11:57 PM, "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> Truly sorry to hear about the broken step. At least nobody was hurt when it broke
- could have caused a nasty gash. I have long recommended an inspection hatch
for the step bolt as well as to check on corrosion. I used the access hatch
from the wing. Installed it fits flush.
>
> --------
> See you OSH '12
> Q/B - flying 2 yrs.
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374755#374755
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| Subject: | Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals |
I agree 100% with Robin. Mcmaster seals
Are the best. The extra effort to put fit them
Correctly will make them easy to install
Will not come off and are easy to replace if
Ever needed. They also look great and make
The door opening look more finished
Geoff combs
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 5, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com> wrote:
> I cannot hope for a better seal and door fit on my -10 partially due to th
e McMaster Carr door seal. Extremely happy we used it. Like many items on th
e build you just have to put one foot in front of the other and one day you a
re flying. As far as effort we built a simple guide that we attached to pneu
matic grinder and had each door precisely trimmed in 15 minutes.
>
> Robin
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jae Chang
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:27 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals
>
> I never did the build-up for the mcmaster seal, so it is constantly fallin
g off. In retrospect, i wish i had used a simple foam seal. It would have be
en far far simpler and easier to maintain than either the mcmaster seal or t
he stock seal.
>
> Jae
> --
>
> #40533 RV-10
> First flight 10/19/2011
> Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011
> do not archive
> On 6/4/2012 9:09 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
> >>trim the gutter so there is 1/8" gap<<
>
> It turns out you don't even need 1/8". The seals compress to less than 1/
16. I use a couple layers to build up any areas that are more than 1/8, or y
ou can use thicker material.
>
> I posted a couple pictures to the list on 10/5/09.
>
> Dave Saylor
> 831-750-0284 CL
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| Subject: | Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals |
Another pic of a copy I made.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Marks" <robin@painttheweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:47 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals
> Photos attached. Don't think I haven't thought about building another -10
> because I already have this guide.
>
> Robin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 7:36 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals
>
>
> 15 minutes? I'd like to see a pic of this guide. It could cut a couple
> hours off my total build time on my next RV-10! :)
>
> On 6/5/12 5:19 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>
>> I cannot hope for a better seal and door fit on my -10 partially due
>> to the McMaster Carr door seal. Extremely happy we used it. Like many
>> items on the build you just have to put one foot in front of the other
>> and one day you are flying. As far as effort we built a simple guide
>> that we attached to pneumatic grinder and had each door precisely
>> trimmed in 15 minutes.
>>
>> Robin
>>
>> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jae Chang
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:27 AM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals
>>
>> I never did the build-up for the mcmaster seal, so it is constantly
>> falling off. In retrospect, i wish i had used a simple foam seal. It
>> would have been far far simpler and easier to maintain than either the
>> mcmaster seal or the stock seal.
>>
>> Jae
>> --
>>
>> #40533 RV-10
>> First flight 10/19/2011
>> Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011
>> do not archive
>>
>> On 6/4/2012 9:09 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
>>
>> >>trim the gutter so there is 1/8" gap<<
>>
>> It turns out you don't even need 1/8". The seals compress to less
>> than 1/16. I use a couple layers to build up any areas that are more
>> than 1/8, or you can use thicker material.
>>
>> I posted a couple pictures to the list on 10/5/09.
>>
>> Dave Saylor
>> 831-750-0284 <tel:831-750-0284> CL
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals |
So you guys did initial trimming with a cutoff wheel and then the grinder metal
guide runs along the outside door edge with the tool doing the final trimming
the remaining gutter?
Bob
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 6, 2012, at 8:38 AM, "Seano" <sean@braunandco.com> wrote:
> Another pic of a copy I made.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Marks" <robin@painttheweb.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:47 PM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals
>
>
>> Photos attached. Don't think I haven't thought about building another -10 because
I already have this guide.
>>
>> Robin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 7:36 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals
>>
>>
>> 15 minutes? I'd like to see a pic of this guide. It could cut a couple hours
off my total build time on my next RV-10! :)
>>
>> On 6/5/12 5:19 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>>
>>> I cannot hope for a better seal and door fit on my -10 partially due
>>> to the McMaster Carr door seal. Extremely happy we used it. Like many
>>> items on the build you just have to put one foot in front of the other
>>> and one day you are flying. As far as effort we built a simple guide
>>> that we attached to pneumatic grinder and had each door precisely
>>> trimmed in 15 minutes.
>>>
>>> Robin
>>>
>>> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jae Chang
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:27 AM
>>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals
>>>
>>> I never did the build-up for the mcmaster seal, so it is constantly
>>> falling off. In retrospect, i wish i had used a simple foam seal. It
>>> would have been far far simpler and easier to maintain than either the
>>> mcmaster seal or the stock seal.
>>>
>>> Jae
>>> --
>>>
>>> #40533 RV-10
>>> First flight 10/19/2011
>>> Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>> On 6/4/2012 9:09 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
>>>
>>> >>trim the gutter so there is 1/8" gap<<
>>>
>>> It turns out you don't even need 1/8". The seals compress to less
>>> than 1/16. I use a couple layers to build up any areas that are more
>>> than 1/8, or you can use thicker material.
>>>
>>> I posted a couple pictures to the list on 10/5/09.
>>>
>>> Dave Saylor
>>> 831-750-0284 <tel:831-750-0284> CL
>>>
>>> * *
>>> * *
>>> * *
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>>> b xm
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>>
>>
>>
>>
> <Sean's Iphone 090511 022.JPG>
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| Subject: | Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals |
That's basically what I did. I used a belt sander on a lot of the cabin. I
also used a diamond cut off wheel and the grinder tool shown. This made a
consistent 1/4 or 3/16 lip for the seal to attach to. You can buy the lip
size in 3/16 or 1/4.
Personally I have a 1/4 reveal around the whole door and I feel like this is
the optimal gap for the 3/8 bulb.
Sean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob" <condreyb@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals
>
> So you guys did initial trimming with a cutoff wheel and then the grinder
> metal guide runs along the outside door edge with the tool doing the final
> trimming the remaining gutter?
>
> Bob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 6, 2012, at 8:38 AM, "Seano" <sean@braunandco.com> wrote:
>
>> Another pic of a copy I made.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Marks" <robin@painttheweb.com>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:47 PM
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals
>>
>>
>>> Photos attached. Don't think I haven't thought about building
>>> another -10 because I already have this guide.
>>>
>>> Robin
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 7:36 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals
>>>
>>>
>>> 15 minutes? I'd like to see a pic of this guide. It could cut a couple
>>> hours off my total build time on my next RV-10! :)
>>>
>>> On 6/5/12 5:19 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I cannot hope for a better seal and door fit on my -10 partially due
>>>> to the McMaster Carr door seal. Extremely happy we used it. Like many
>>>> items on the build you just have to put one foot in front of the other
>>>> and one day you are flying. As far as effort we built a simple guide
>>>> that we attached to pneumatic grinder and had each door precisely
>>>> trimmed in 15 minutes.
>>>>
>>>> Robin
>>>>
>>>> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jae Chang
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:27 AM
>>>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals
>>>>
>>>> I never did the build-up for the mcmaster seal, so it is constantly
>>>> falling off. In retrospect, i wish i had used a simple foam seal. It
>>>> would have been far far simpler and easier to maintain than either the
>>>> mcmaster seal or the stock seal.
>>>>
>>>> Jae
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> #40533 RV-10
>>>> First flight 10/19/2011
>>>> Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011
>>>> do not archive
>>>>
>>>> On 6/4/2012 9:09 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>trim the gutter so there is 1/8" gap<<
>>>>
>>>> It turns out you don't even need 1/8". The seals compress to less
>>>> than 1/16. I use a couple layers to build up any areas that are more
>>>> than 1/8, or you can use thicker material.
>>>>
>>>> I posted a couple pictures to the list on 10/5/09.
>>>>
>>>> Dave Saylor
>>>> 831-750-0284 <tel:831-750-0284> CL
>>>>
>>>> * *
>>>> * *
>>>> * *
>>>> ~ , g M4 G q z . ' 8E]t.+-f Z+ ` ax r ^jz Z (
>>>> j| n )b ' !j ' + r y' C
>>>> {
>>>> ,x(Z P !j r r j |
>>> &j ',r 5 h u m
>>>> ' o j j +E]t.+- 0 8 Ia T1
>>>> jg r z{Z i ^ & lZ+ k y + k&j ',r + k&j ',r h
>>>> B {k y . + jY^.+- i 0 f r ( ( n
>>>> b xm
>>> &j ',r r & *' ' k{ w/ tml
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> <Sean's Iphone 090511 022.JPG>
>
>
>
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