---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/06/12: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:15 AM - Re: Re: : broken pilot step (Etandrews) 2. 05:53 AM - Re: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (g.combs) 3. 06:40 AM - Re: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (Seano) 4. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (Bob) 5. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (Seano) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: : broken pilot step From: Etandrews Thanks Mike - this one caught me by surprise. Very good thinking about the installation of the hatch during the build. It will be fun to get the building gear out for a change. Regards Evan Sent from my iPad On 05/06/2012, at 11:57 PM, "AirMike" wrote: > > Truly sorry to hear about the broken step. At least nobody was hurt when it broke - could have caused a nasty gash. I have long recommended an inspection hatch for the step bolt as well as to check on corrosion. I used the access hatch from the wing. Installed it fits flush. > > -------- > See you OSH '12 > Q/B - flying 2 yrs. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374755#374755 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1000864_434.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals From: "g.combs" I agree 100% with Robin. Mcmaster seals Are the best. The extra effort to put fit them Correctly will make them easy to install Will not come off and are easy to replace if Ever needed. They also look great and make The door opening look more finished Geoff combs Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Robin Marks wrote: > I cannot hope for a better seal and door fit on my -10 partially due to th e McMaster Carr door seal. Extremely happy we used it. Like many items on th e build you just have to put one foot in front of the other and one day you a re flying. As far as effort we built a simple guide that we attached to pneu matic grinder and had each door precisely trimmed in 15 minutes. > > Robin > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jae Chang > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:27 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals > > I never did the build-up for the mcmaster seal, so it is constantly fallin g off. In retrospect, i wish i had used a simple foam seal. It would have be en far far simpler and easier to maintain than either the mcmaster seal or t he stock seal. > > Jae > -- > > #40533 RV-10 > First flight 10/19/2011 > Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011 > do not archive > On 6/4/2012 9:09 PM, Dave Saylor wrote: > >>trim the gutter so there is 1/8" gap<< > > It turns out you don't even need 1/8". The seals compress to less than 1/ 16. 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Don't think I haven't thought about building another -10 > because I already have this guide. > > Robin > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 7:36 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals > > > 15 minutes? I'd like to see a pic of this guide. It could cut a couple > hours off my total build time on my next RV-10! :) > > On 6/5/12 5:19 PM, Robin Marks wrote: >> >> I cannot hope for a better seal and door fit on my -10 partially due >> to the McMaster Carr door seal. Extremely happy we used it. Like many >> items on the build you just have to put one foot in front of the other >> and one day you are flying. As far as effort we built a simple guide >> that we attached to pneumatic grinder and had each door precisely >> trimmed in 15 minutes. >> >> Robin >> >> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jae Chang >> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:27 AM >> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals >> >> I never did the build-up for the mcmaster seal, so it is constantly >> falling off. In retrospect, i wish i had used a simple foam seal. It >> would have been far far simpler and easier to maintain than either the >> mcmaster seal or the stock seal. >> >> Jae >> -- >> >> #40533 RV-10 >> First flight 10/19/2011 >> Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011 >> do not archive >> >> On 6/4/2012 9:09 PM, Dave Saylor wrote: >> >> >>trim the gutter so there is 1/8" gap<< >> >> It turns out you don't even need 1/8". The seals compress to less >> than 1/16. I use a couple layers to build up any areas that are more >> than 1/8, or you can use thicker material. >> >> I posted a couple pictures to the list on 10/5/09. >> >> Dave Saylor >> 831-750-0284 CL >> >> * * >> * * >> * * >> ~ , g M4 G q z . ' 8E]t.+-f Z+ ` ax r ^jz Z ( >> j| n )b ' !j ' + r y' C >> { >> ,x(Z P !j r r j | > &j ',r 5 h u m >> ' o j j +E]t.+- 0 8 Ia T1 >> jg r z{Z i ^ & lZ+ k y + k&j ',r + k&j ',r h >> B {k y . + jY^.+- i 0 f r ( ( n >> b xm > &j ',r r & *' ' k{ w/ tml > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals From: Bob So you guys did initial trimming with a cutoff wheel and then the grinder metal guide runs along the outside door edge with the tool doing the final trimming the remaining gutter? Bob Sent from my iPhone On Jun 6, 2012, at 8:38 AM, "Seano" wrote: > Another pic of a copy I made. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Marks" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:47 PM > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals > > >> Photos attached. Don't think I haven't thought about building another -10 because I already have this guide. >> >> Robin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens >> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 7:36 PM >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals >> >> >> 15 minutes? I'd like to see a pic of this guide. It could cut a couple hours off my total build time on my next RV-10! :) >> >> On 6/5/12 5:19 PM, Robin Marks wrote: >>> >>> I cannot hope for a better seal and door fit on my -10 partially due >>> to the McMaster Carr door seal. Extremely happy we used it. Like many >>> items on the build you just have to put one foot in front of the other >>> and one day you are flying. As far as effort we built a simple guide >>> that we attached to pneumatic grinder and had each door precisely >>> trimmed in 15 minutes. >>> >>> Robin >>> >>> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jae Chang >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:27 AM >>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com >>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals >>> >>> I never did the build-up for the mcmaster seal, so it is constantly >>> falling off. In retrospect, i wish i had used a simple foam seal. It >>> would have been far far simpler and easier to maintain than either the >>> mcmaster seal or the stock seal. >>> >>> Jae >>> -- >>> >>> #40533 RV-10 >>> First flight 10/19/2011 >>> Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011 >>> do not archive >>> >>> On 6/4/2012 9:09 PM, Dave Saylor wrote: >>> >>> >>trim the gutter so there is 1/8" gap<< >>> >>> It turns out you don't even need 1/8". The seals compress to less >>> than 1/16. I use a couple layers to build up any areas that are more >>> than 1/8, or you can use thicker material. >>> >>> I posted a couple pictures to the list on 10/5/09. >>> >>> Dave Saylor >>> 831-750-0284 CL >>> >>> * * >>> * * >>> * * >>> ~ , g M4 G q z . ' 8E]t.+-f Z+ ` ax r ^jz Z ( >>> j| n )b ' !j ' + r y' C >>> { >>> ,x(Z P !j r r j | >> &j ',r 5 h u m >>> ' o j j +E]t.+- 0 8 Ia T1 >>> jg r z{Z i ^ & lZ+ k y + k&j ',r + k&j ',r h >>> B {k y . + jY^.+- i 0 f r ( ( n >>> b xm >> &j ',r r & *' ' k{ w/ tml >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:56 AM PST US From: "Seano" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals That's basically what I did. I used a belt sander on a lot of the cabin. I also used a diamond cut off wheel and the grinder tool shown. This made a consistent 1/4 or 3/16 lip for the seal to attach to. You can buy the lip size in 3/16 or 1/4. Personally I have a 1/4 reveal around the whole door and I feel like this is the optimal gap for the 3/8 bulb. Sean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 8:52 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals > > So you guys did initial trimming with a cutoff wheel and then the grinder > metal guide runs along the outside door edge with the tool doing the final > trimming the remaining gutter? > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 6, 2012, at 8:38 AM, "Seano" wrote: > >> Another pic of a copy I made. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Marks" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:47 PM >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals >> >> >>> Photos attached. Don't think I haven't thought about building >>> another -10 because I already have this guide. >>> >>> Robin >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 7:36 PM >>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals >>> >>> >>> 15 minutes? I'd like to see a pic of this guide. It could cut a couple >>> hours off my total build time on my next RV-10! :) >>> >>> On 6/5/12 5:19 PM, Robin Marks wrote: >>>> >>>> I cannot hope for a better seal and door fit on my -10 partially due >>>> to the McMaster Carr door seal. Extremely happy we used it. Like many >>>> items on the build you just have to put one foot in front of the other >>>> and one day you are flying. As far as effort we built a simple guide >>>> that we attached to pneumatic grinder and had each door precisely >>>> trimmed in 15 minutes. >>>> >>>> Robin >>>> >>>> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jae Chang >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:27 AM >>>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals >>>> >>>> I never did the build-up for the mcmaster seal, so it is constantly >>>> falling off. In retrospect, i wish i had used a simple foam seal. It >>>> would have been far far simpler and easier to maintain than either the >>>> mcmaster seal or the stock seal. >>>> >>>> Jae >>>> -- >>>> >>>> #40533 RV-10 >>>> First flight 10/19/2011 >>>> Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011 >>>> do not archive >>>> >>>> On 6/4/2012 9:09 PM, Dave Saylor wrote: >>>> >>>> >>trim the gutter so there is 1/8" gap<< >>>> >>>> It turns out you don't even need 1/8". The seals compress to less >>>> than 1/16. I use a couple layers to build up any areas that are more >>>> than 1/8, or you can use thicker material. >>>> >>>> I posted a couple pictures to the list on 10/5/09. >>>> >>>> Dave Saylor >>>> 831-750-0284 CL >>>> >>>> * * >>>> * * >>>> * * >>>> ~ , g M4 G q z . ' 8E]t.+-f Z+ ` ax r ^jz Z ( >>>> j| n )b ' !j ' + r y' C >>>> { >>>> ,x(Z P !j r r j | >>> &j ',r 5 h u m >>>> ' o j j +E]t.+- 0 8 Ia T1 >>>> jg r z{Z i ^ & lZ+ k y + k&j ',r + k&j ',r h >>>> B {k y . + jY^.+- i 0 f r ( ( n >>>> b xm >>> &j ',r r & *' ' k{ w/ tml >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.