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1. 07:13 AM - RV-10 at Oshkosh (Fabian Rahm)
2. 07:32 AM - Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh (William Greenley)
3. 08:08 AM - Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh (Kelly McMullen)
4. 08:31 AM - Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh (Ed Kranz)
5. 08:39 AM - Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh (Bob Leffler)
6. 08:50 AM - Update on Garmin G3X (Karol Hansen)
7. 09:10 AM - Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh (Don McDonald)
8. 09:12 AM - Re: Update on Garmin G3X (Don McDonald)
9. 09:33 AM - Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh (Robin Marks)
10. 09:49 AM - Re: Update on Garmin G3X (Robin Marks)
11. 10:12 AM - Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh (Tim Olson)
12. 10:13 AM - Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh (Tim Olson)
13. 10:24 AM - Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh (Fred Williams, M.D.)
14. 10:43 AM - Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh (Werner Schneider)
15. 10:54 AM - Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh (William Greenley)
16. 11:04 AM - Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh (Phillip Perry)
17. 11:56 AM - Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh (Bob Leffler)
18. 11:58 AM - Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh (Michael Kraus)
19. 01:59 PM - Re: Re: (DLM)
20. 02:06 PM - Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh (DLM)
21. 07:43 PM - Re: Update on Garmin G3X (Bob Turner)
22. 09:16 PM - Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh (Jim)
23. 09:29 PM - Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh (Seano)
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| Subject: | RV-10 at Oshkosh |
Dear RV-Builders,
I'm more than interested in building an RV-10.
Earlier this week, I visited the RV-10 project of Michael Wellenzohn in
Switzerland. I haven't been able to fly in a -10 yet as they're still
rare around me.
As I'll be in Oshkosh this year, I would be more than happy to meet up
with a builder of an RV-10 and if possible, go for a short flight :)
Regards,
Fabian
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| Subject: | RV-10 at Oshkosh |
Welcome to the club of the interested, I moved beyond that two years ago and am
just finishing the wings. But, I still have yet to ride in an RV-10, am also
hoping to get a ride at Oshkosh.
Good Luck, building is a lot of fun.
Bill Greenley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fabian Rahm
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 at Oshkosh
Dear RV-Builders,
I'm more than interested in building an RV-10.
Earlier this week, I visited the RV-10 project of Michael Wellenzohn in Switzerland.
I haven't been able to fly in a -10 yet as they're still rare around me.
As I'll be in Oshkosh this year, I would be more than happy to meet up with a builder
of an RV-10 and if possible, go for a short flight :)
Regards,
Fabian
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh |
I don't know what others think, but I would question whether OSH is a
good environment for a demonstration ride.
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:30 AM, William Greenley <wgreenley@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Welcome to the club of the interested, I moved beyond that two years ago and
am just finishing the wings. But, I still have yet to ride in an RV-10, am also
hoping to get a ride at Oshkosh.
> Good Luck, building is a lot of fun.
> Bill Greenley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fabian Rahm
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:10 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 at Oshkosh
>
>
> Dear RV-Builders,
>
> I'm more than interested in building an RV-10.
>
> Earlier this week, I visited the RV-10 project of Michael Wellenzohn in Switzerland.
I haven't been able to fly in a -10 yet as they're still rare around me.
>
> As I'll be in Oshkosh this year, I would be more than happy to meet up with a
builder of an RV-10 and if possible, go for a short flight :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Fabian
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh |
Van's provides demo flights at OSH. I had my first flight in a -10 last
year there. They charge you $50 for the flight, but you get $50 off of the
emp kit when you order it... which I just realized that I forgot to do.
The demo is just a short 15-20 minute flight, but you do get to control the
the plane, and it's interesting being in the traffic patterns at OSH if
you've never done that before.
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don't know what others think, but I would question whether OSH is a
> good environment for a demonstration ride.
>
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:30 AM, William Greenley <wgreenley@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Welcome to the club of the interested, I moved beyond that two years ago
> and am just finishing the wings. But, I still have yet to ride in an RV-10,
> am also hoping to get a ride at Oshkosh.
> > Good Luck, building is a lot of fun.
> > Bill Greenley
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fabian Rahm
> > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:10 AM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 at Oshkosh
> >
> >
> > Dear RV-Builders,
> >
> > I'm more than interested in building an RV-10.
> >
> > Earlier this week, I visited the RV-10 project of Michael Wellenzohn in
> Switzerland. I haven't been able to fly in a -10 yet as they're still rare
> around me.
> >
> > As I'll be in Oshkosh this year, I would be more than happy to meet up
> with a builder of an RV-10 and if possible, go for a short flight :)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Fabian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh |
There are plenty of opportunities at OSH for demo rides. There has been a history
of many pilots taking folks up first thing in the morning.
I can tell you the ride that my wife and I took with Tim was what convinced my
wife I was building the right aircraft. She hated my Cherokee, but fell in love
with the 10.
I can also tell you I enjoyed the factory demo with Mike Seger too.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 14, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know what others think, but I would question whether OSH is a
good environment for a demonstration ride.
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:30 AM, William Greenley <wgreenley@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Welcome to the club of the interested, I moved beyond that two years ago and
am just finishing the wings. But, I still have yet to ride in an RV-10, am also
hoping to get a ride at Oshkosh.
> Good Luck, building is a lot of fun.
> Bill Greenley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fabian Rahm
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:10 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 at Oshkosh
>
>
> Dear RV-Builders,
>
> I'm more than interested in building an RV-10.
>
> Earlier this week, I visited the RV-10 project of Michael Wellenzohn in Switzerland.
I haven't been able to fly in a -10 yet as they're still rare around me.
>
> As I'll be in Oshkosh this year, I would be more than happy to meet up with a
builder of an RV-10 and if possible, go for a short flight :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Fabian
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Update on Garmin G3X |
Hey Robin and any others flying with the Garmin G3X - we would appreciate an update
as to how you like it, pros and cons, would you select it for another aircraft
that you might build? ETC
On another note : "GREASE ON THE WINDSCREEN"
During my 15 years of owning my RV-6A this issue did occur, once, (Hartzell Constant
Speed). My findings concluded with the zerk, or grease fittings themselves,
were the culprit. Somehow the check ball does not seat properly, allows
a slight amount of grease to be released, which then is slung out and shows
itself as an ugly pucker factor on the windscreen at cruise. In checking with
other owners of RVs, same prop, my issue was not a stand alone issue. The
fix of course is simply replacement of the fittings, proper torque, and install
the grease fitting end covers with safety wire on all four of them. If you
don't have the fitting covers, Hartzell will send you some and they are cheap
- any prop shop will of course also have them. It is interesting to note that
sometimes pilots/owners told me that their grease fitting issue happened right
after they serviced the prop, or after overhaul, and others stated that they
had not touched anything on the prop for a year and it just "happened".
Hope that helps some of you. There are certainly other failures that can take
place in the prop to cause a loss of oil or grease, but this issue is an easy
one to address and have knowledge of.
Regarding Prop Cycling, I completely agree with Kelly. Would you go start your
car in the morning and while it is still cold firmly hold the brake pedal down,
put the A/T in gear, and at the same time with the other foot push the gas
pedal to the floor and perform a WOT stall test on the torque convertor? Might
not go over too well with all those cold moving parts in both the engine and
transmission. Would it take it? Probably. Would something break? Probably
not, but not really the best thing to do if you want things to last. So
regarding our props and cycling, we are just trying to respectably check that
it is functioning, then go about our flight for the day - just a slight drop in
RPM (certainly not under 1500), no oil on the wind screen, back in, and off
we go!
Rich Hansen
6A - sold
10 - fun part - engine install
not fun part, canopy and doors - done
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh |
You guys interested in a ride should list your address and/or close airport
s.... you might be pleasantly surprised at the results.- I was a brand ne
w pilot 3 years ago, and I have been fortunate to share this wonderful mach
ine to 123 different passengers to date.=0ADon McDonald-- 0tx1=0A420 ho
urs- 414DM=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: William Gre
enley <wgreenley@gmail.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday
, June 14, 2012 9:30 AM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 at Oshkosh=0A =0A-
=0AWelcome to the club of the interested, I moved beyond that two years ago
and am just finishing the wings. But, I still have yet to ride in an RV-10
, am also hoping to get a ride at Oshkosh.=0AGood Luck, building is a lot o
f fun.=0ABill Greenley=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-rv10-l
ist-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On B
ehalf Of Fabian Rahm=0ASent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:10 AM=0ATo: rv10-li
st@matronics.com=0ASubject: RV10-List: RV-10 at Oshkosh=0A=0A--> RV10-List
message posted by: Fabian Rahm <vans@paulcream.com>=0A=0ADear RV-Builders,
=0A=0AI'm more than interested in building an RV-10.=0A=0AEarlier this week
, I visited the RV-10 project of Michael Wellenzohn in Switzerland. I haven
't been able to fly in a -10 yet as they're still rare around me.=0A=0AAs I
'll be in Oshkosh this year, I would be more than happy to meet up with a b
uilder of an RV-10 and if possible, go for a short flight :)=0A=0ARegards,
==
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| Subject: | Re: Update on Garmin G3X |
Dave Moore did a writeup within the last month... also his first flight was
within the same month.=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A Fro
m: Karol Hansen <karolamy@roadrunner.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com =0A
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:47 AM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Update on Garm
unner.com>=0A=0A=0AHey Robin and any others flying with the Garmin G3X -=C2
- we would appreciate an update as to how you like it, pros and cons, wou
ld you select it for another aircraft that you might build?=C2- ETC
=0A=0AOn another note :=C2- =C2- "GREASE ON THE WINDSCREEN"
=0A=0ADuring my 15 years of owning my RV-6A this issue did occur,=C2- onc
e,=C2- (Hartzell Constant Speed).=C2- My findings concluded with the ze
rk, or grease fittings themselves, were the culprit.=C2- Somehow the chec
k ball does not seat properly, allows a slight amount of grease to be relea
sed, which then is slung out and shows itself as an ugly pucker factor on t
he windscreen at cruise.=C2- In checking with other owners of RVs, same
prop, my issue was not=C2- a stand alone issue.=C2- The fix of course i
s simply replacement of the fittings, proper torque, and install the grease
fitting end covers with safety wire on all four of them.=C2- If you don'
t have the fitting covers, Hartzell will send you some and they are cheap -
any prop shop will of course also have them.=C2- It is interesting to n
ote that sometimes pilots/owners told me that their grease fitting issue ha
ppened right after they serviced the prop, or after overhaul, and others st
ated that they had not touched
anything on the prop for a year an!=0Ad it just=C2- "happened".=C2-
=0A=0AHope that helps some of you.=C2- There are certainly other failures
that can take place in the prop to cause a loss of oil or grease, but this
issue is an easy one to address and have knowledge of.=C2- =0A=0ARegardi
ng Prop Cycling, I completely agree with Kelly.=C2- Would you go start yo
ur car in the morning and while it is still cold firmly hold the brake peda
l down, put the A/T in gear,=C2- and at the same time with the other foot
push the gas pedal to the floor and perform=C2- a WOT stall test on the
torque convertor?=C2- Might not go over too well with all those cold movi
ng parts in both the engine and transmission.=C2- Would it take it?=C2
- Probably.=C2- Would something break?=C2- Probably not, but not real
ly the best thing to do if you want things to last.=C2- So regarding our
props and cycling, we are just trying to respectably check that it is func
tioning, then go about our flight for the day - just a slight drop in RPM (
certainly not under 1500), no oil on the wind screen, back in, and off we g
o!=0A=0ARich Hansen=0A6A -=C2- sold=0A10 - fun part -
engine install=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- not fun part, canopy and doors
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.=0A_
====
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh |
I purchased my -10 kit 2 years before I ever saw a -10 in person. The very next
day I took the OSH demo ride and was happy I took the leap. Note I had owned
2 prior 2 place RV's so I knew Vans design philosophy well. I don't recall paying
the $50 for the flight but maybe because I had already purchased the kit.
Also I am sure we didn't do the demo flight from OSH but from a local 1 runway
airport near OSH which makes for much easier in/out demos.
BTW I gave Michael and Irene (with her broken foot) a flight when they visited
central California a few years back (2009). I also recently gave 3 separate RV-10
demo flights for people in my area. What a great way to spread the word. Flying
the -10 is believing.
http://m.youtube.com/?reload=3&rdm=m5a60a1cu#/watch?v=XWMlBLFU3Mg
Robin
Sent from the new iPad
On Jun 14, 2012, at 8:50 AM, "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>
> There are plenty of opportunities at OSH for demo rides. There has been a history
of many pilots taking folks up first thing in the morning.
>
> I can tell you the ride that my wife and I took with Tim was what convinced my
wife I was building the right aircraft. She hated my Cherokee, but fell in
love with the 10.
>
> I can also tell you I enjoyed the factory demo with Mike Seger too.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 14, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I don't know what others think, but I would question whether OSH is a
> good environment for a demonstration ride.
>
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:30 AM, William Greenley <wgreenley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Welcome to the club of the interested, I moved beyond that two years ago and
am just finishing the wings. But, I still have yet to ride in an RV-10, am also
hoping to get a ride at Oshkosh.
>> Good Luck, building is a lot of fun.
>> Bill Greenley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fabian Rahm
>> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:10 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 at Oshkosh
>>
>>
>> Dear RV-Builders,
>>
>> I'm more than interested in building an RV-10.
>>
>> Earlier this week, I visited the RV-10 project of Michael Wellenzohn in Switzerland.
I haven't been able to fly in a -10 yet as they're still rare around
me.
>>
>> As I'll be in Oshkosh this year, I would be more than happy to meet up with
a builder of an RV-10 and if possible, go for a short flight :)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Fabian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Update on Garmin G3X |
Rich,
I am extremely pleased with the G3x dual screen system we installed in the 8A.
While it does not have the same screen real estate as my Garmin G900X does in
my RV 10 the Garmin G3X has worked flawlessly and presents all the information
just as I want it. Plus its interface for updating and modifying the display
is far superior to the G900X due to its 13 year newer system design. I do not
mean to speak for Sean but I am aware that he is thrilled with the performance
of his G3x based on our conversations and Sean is extremely knowledgeable of
high-end systems being a commercial and executive jet pilot.
All that being said I am also extremely impressed with the Advanced Flight Systems
offerings as well as the Dynon Skyview displays. It is interesting how close
in price all three of these systems ultimately are for purchase and install.
The Garmin definitely has a higher cost of ownership once installed based on
you being forced into the Garmin ecosystem for updates but you have the guarantee
of a system that will be supported for as long as you are going to be flying.
If I were building a brand-new RV-10 today I would be very hard-pressed to make
a decision between the Garmin G3x and the Advanced Flight Systems 10 inch displays.
In my opinion it's impossible to make a bad decision between these two
systems.
While on the subject of avionics I kicked myself twice every day, once for not
putting a Vertical Power system in my RV 10 and once for not putting a Vertical
Power system in my 8A.
Good luck,
Robin
Sent from the new iPad
On Jun 14, 2012, at 9:01 AM, "Karol Hansen" <karolamy@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hey Robin and any others flying with the Garmin G3X - we would appreciate an
update as to how you like it, pros and cons, would you select it for another
aircraft that you might build? ETC
>
> On another note : "GREASE ON THE WINDSCREEN"
>
> During my 15 years of owning my RV-6A this issue did occur, once, (Hartzell
Constant Speed). My findings concluded with the zerk, or grease fittings themselves,
were the culprit. Somehow the check ball does not seat properly, allows
a slight amount of grease to be released, which then is slung out and shows
itself as an ugly pucker factor on the windscreen at cruise. In checking with
other owners of RVs, same prop, my issue was not a stand alone issue. The
fix of course is simply replacement of the fittings, proper torque, and install
the grease fitting end covers with safety wire on all four of them. If you
don't have the fitting covers, Hartzell will send you some and they are cheap
- any prop shop will of course also have them. It is interesting to note that
sometimes pilots/owners told me that their grease fitting issue happened right
after they serviced the prop, or after overhaul, and others stated that they
had not touched anything on the prop for a year an!
> d it just "happened".
>
> Hope that helps some of you. There are certainly other failures that can take
place in the prop to cause a loss of oil or grease, but this issue is an easy
one to address and have knowledge of.
>
> Regarding Prop Cycling, I completely agree with Kelly. Would you go start your
car in the morning and while it is still cold firmly hold the brake pedal down,
put the A/T in gear, and at the same time with the other foot push the gas
pedal to the floor and perform a WOT stall test on the torque convertor?
Might not go over too well with all those cold moving parts in both the engine
and transmission. Would it take it? Probably. Would something break? Probably
not, but not really the best thing to do if you want things to last. So
regarding our props and cycling, we are just trying to respectably check that
it is functioning, then go about our flight for the day - just a slight drop
in RPM (certainly not under 1500), no oil on the wind screen, back in, and off
we go!
>
> Rich Hansen
> 6A - sold
> 10 - fun part - engine install
> not fun part, canopy and doors - done
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh |
It's busy, to be sure....and I never like flying in the afternoon if
it's hot and sticky, but OSH can be a lot of fun to do little flights
and some of us do them every year. In fact, I wish we'd see MORE
activity of that kind. Last year Jim Beyer was nice enough to get some
really good photos for us at OSH. It's always an adventure to be sure.
Tim
do not archive
On 6/14/2012 10:05 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> I don't know what others think, but I would question whether OSH is a
> good environment for a demonstration ride.
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh |
PS: A side benefit is that for the un-initiated, it's a chance
to fly the Ripon > Fisk > OSH approach with someone before they
come to OSH themselves.
Tim
On 6/14/2012 10:05 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> I don't know what others think, but I would question whether OSH is a
> good environment for a demonstration ride.
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh |
If you want to get a demo ride from Van's make sure you sign up Monday
am if possible. The demo rides are limited and go fast.
Dr Fred.
515FW.
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh |
>
> I don't know what others think, but I would question whether OSH is a
> good environment for a demonstration ride.
>
I would agree on that! What I did 14 years ago was a week Oshkosh, then
fly to Seattle rented a car, did the Yellowstone park for another week
and had a demoflight with a Glastar and a RV6A, 3 years later I did my
1st flight with my own plane!
Fabian, as you know, the first Swiss Glastar is flying might be another
6-7 month until he can take Passengers however.
Cheers Werner (tailcone fitted doing cabling runs)
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| Subject: | RV-10 at Oshkosh |
I have heard they book up fast. One of my goals at Oshkosh this year is to
get a demo rider with my son who is helping me build the 10.
Bill Greenley
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams,
M.D.
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:23 PM
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If you want to get a demo ride from Van's make sure you sign up Monday am if
possible. The demo rides are limited and go fast.
Dr Fred.
515FW.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh |
I took on 2 years ago, just to say I did. If you get there in the first
two days, you can typically get on the schedule. It might be later in the
week, but you can get it.
Phil
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 12:51 PM, William Greenley <wgreenley@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> I have heard they book up fast. One of my goals at Oshkosh this year is to
> get a demo rider with my son who is helping me build the 10.
> Bill Greenley
>
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams,
> M.D.
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>
>
> If you want to get a demo ride from Van's make sure you sign up Monday am
> if
> possible. The demo rides are limited and go fast.
>
> Dr Fred.
> 515FW.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh |
They will let him accompany you on the demo ride.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 14, 2012, at 1:51 PM, "William Greenley" <wgreenley@gmail.com> wrote:
I have heard they book up fast. One of my goals at Oshkosh this year is to
get a demo rider with my son who is helping me build the 10.
Bill Greenley
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams,
M.D.
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:23 PM
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If you want to get a demo ride from Van's make sure you sign up Monday am if
possible. The demo rides are limited and go fast.
Dr Fred.
515FW.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh |
Since no one answered your question , yes, if you come to Oshkosh from Switzerland,
I'll gladly find time to take you up for a ride in my RV-10. I hope to be
there from Wednesday night through Saturday, but I only live a couple of hours
from KOSH so my schedule may change.
Just come prepared with your checkbook, as they say, it's the most expensive free
airplane ride you will ever take!!
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 14, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Fabian Rahm <vans@paulcream.com> wrote:
>
> Dear RV-Builders,
>
> I'm more than interested in building an RV-10.
>
> Earlier this week, I visited the RV-10 project of Michael Wellenzohn in Switzerland.
I haven't been able to fly in a -10 yet as they're still rare around me.
>
> As I'll be in Oshkosh this year, I would be more than happy to meet up with a
builder of an RV-10 and if possible, go for a short flight :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Fabian
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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It depends on how much debris is found in the run up area. I got a 1/4" half
moon nick in my prop from an inadvertent high rpm hot start. Then another
pilot in an RV10 met me at another airport. When he started to fuel, I
noticed a 1/4" half moon nick in his prop and suggested that he got it in
the run up area where there is considerable debris. He indicated that he
just came from there.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 4:25 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re:
I generally go out and rev the engine to 2000 than do a prop check 5-6
times, I figure it's like revving a engine on a vette, I want people to know
I have a high powered engine!!
Seriously though, there is a fellow friend and RV-10 who always makes a
comment about students doing three prop checks before takeoff, when once is
enough. They're rentals, who cares!
Here is a piece from Avweb:
How many times should you cycle the prop? If the RPM drops smoothly and
properly, once is enough. The fresh oil will probably cause the piston to
move a good deal and when it comes back to the low pitch stops, most of the
"old" oil will be pushed out. If you really want to feel good, do it twice,
to get even more of that "old" oil out of there. Three times is gross
overkill, in my opinion, but a lot of people do three times, or more. In
reality, there are tiny bleed holes that allow a constant flow of warm oil
to both sides of the prop piston, so even if you take off with cold oil in
there, it will quickly be replaced with nice slippery warm stuff. On some of
the big old props on the radials, in extreme Arctic conditions, the oil
would congeal faster than the bleed ports could replace it, but I doubt
you'll find any modern props with this problem. I should note for
completeness that many of the props on the big radials might require many
more cycles to achieve a smooth RPM drop when cold. In freezing
temperatures, it may take up to ten cycles. There's a lot more to the
mechanism, and a lot more oil involved.
Link for the full version <http://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/182082-1.html>
http://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/182082-1.html
From: Roger Standley <mailto:taildragon@msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Mystery Oil Leak (solved)
After checking mags at 1800 rpm, I reduce rpm to 1400 for the prop check.
A&Ps I talk to suggested it. Anyone else doing that?
Roger
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From: Phillip <mailto:philperry9@gmail.com> Perry
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Mystery Oil Leak (solved)
I've always cycled it fairly aggressively just to see if I can get oil on
the windscreen or the top of the cowling. I figure that if I'm going to
blow a seal or discover a leak, I'd rather discover it before my wheels
leave the ground.
I'm not saying I'm trying to bog the engine down and abusing it, but I'm
doing more than simply looking for a slight drop.
Phil
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Fred Williams, M.D.
<drfred@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:
<drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
Kelly;
I usually check the prop each time as part of my checklist. I just listen
for the slight drop and then go back to fine pitch. You say it is not good
for the engine or the prop. Why??? I can understand possibly strain on the
bearings maybe, but in less than two minutes, I'm asking the engine for
full power for takeoff. I'm trying to figure out if this is one of those
"opinions" or what are the facts behind this issue.
Thanks
Dr Fred.
On 6/13/2012 7:48 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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Keep in mind that cycling a prop is NOT good for the prop or the
engine. Its only purpose is to verify that the prop control and
governor are operational, and a 100-200 rpm drop is more than
sufficient for that purpose. The blades will get rotated as part of
normal take-off and climb. I cringe every time I hear pilots deep
cycling props, as though they want to see if full coarse pitch can
stall the engine.
Latest thinking is to only cycle the prop if the plane hasn't flown
for awhile, and then just a small drop to verify the system is
functioning.
Kelly
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Bob Turner<bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner"<bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
Some years ago our 182 (McCauley prop) started throwing grease, not too long
after overhaul. Shop took it apart and put it back together, said they
didn't find anything wrong. But the grease went away. Maybe a dirty O ring.
McCauley suggested we cycle the prop 4 or 5 times during run ups to help
keep O rings seated.
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RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | RV-10 at Oshkosh |
I concur; demo pilot scared the hell out of me when he flew another aircraft
(at tower request, not a 10) at 30 feet AGL from the numbers to the orange
dot with the horn blaring and the wings wobbling side to side.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [
<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 at Oshkosh
I don't know what others think, but I would question whether OSH is a good
environment for a demonstration ride.
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:30 AM, William Greenley <wgreenley@gmail.com>
wrote:
> --> <wgreenley@gmail.com>
>
> Welcome to the club of the interested, I moved beyond that two years ago
and am just finishing the wings. But, I still have yet to ride in an RV-10,
am also hoping to get a ride at Oshkosh.
> Good Luck, building is a lot of fun.
> Bill Greenley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [ <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fabian Rahm
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:10 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 at Oshkosh
>
>
> Dear RV-Builders,
>
> I'm more than interested in building an RV-10.
>
> Earlier this week, I visited the RV-10 project of Michael Wellenzohn in
Switzerland. I haven't been able to fly in a -10 yet as they're still rare
around me.
>
> As I'll be in Oshkosh this year, I would be more than happy to meet up
> with a builder of an RV-10 and if possible, go for a short flight :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Fabian
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Update on Garmin G3X |
Robin,
Why leave out GRT? Everyone likes their decisions, of course, but I am really happy
with my choice of an HX/HS pair. The new HXr may be too new to evaluate,
but it looks like a good choice for a larger screen.
I think AFS and GRT are very competitive, and you end up choosing one or the other
for personal, individual reasons.
One thing that has pleasantly surprised me is that theses boxes do quite a bit
more than is advertised. E.g., the HX will share wx with the HS; the analog inputs
on the HX have (if selected on) internal bias resistors, so you don't need
to run a power line to flap position sensors, etc.
Bob
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RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh |
That was a fun flight for sure! And coming up through RIPON as a four ship wasn't
nearly as bad as I would have guessed. Let's do it again this year! And
bring along new guys/gals.
-Jim.
P.S. Just to clarify, Andrea did the hard part with the camera and you guys flying
wing...all I did was fly steady--that's easy. :-)
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 14, 2012, at 12:09 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
It's busy, to be sure....and I never like flying in the afternoon if
it's hot and sticky, but OSH can be a lot of fun to do little flights
and some of us do them every year. In fact, I wish we'd see MORE
activity of that kind. Last year Jim Beyer was nice enough to get some
really good photos for us at OSH. It's always an adventure to be sure.
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh |
I wish I could do it again.....90 percent sure I'll be out of the country
the entire time Oshkosh is running :(
Looks like another epic year there too....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim" <fehdxlbb@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 at Oshkosh
>
> That was a fun flight for sure! And coming up through RIPON as a four
> ship wasn't nearly as bad as I would have guessed. Let's do it again this
> year! And bring along new guys/gals.
> -Jim.
> P.S. Just to clarify, Andrea did the hard part with the camera and you
> guys flying wing...all I did was fly steady--that's easy. :-)
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 14, 2012, at 12:09 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's busy, to be sure....and I never like flying in the afternoon if
> it's hot and sticky, but OSH can be a lot of fun to do little flights
> and some of us do them every year. In fact, I wish we'd see MORE
> activity of that kind. Last year Jim Beyer was nice enough to get some
> really good photos for us at OSH. It's always an adventure to be sure.
> Tim
> do not archive
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