---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 06/23/12: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:53 AM - Re: Stick - Panel Interference (nukeflyboy) 2. 06:09 AM - Re: Update on Garmin G3X (nukeflyboy) 3. 06:38 AM - Re: Re: Stick - Panel Interference (Tim Olson) 4. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: Stick - Panel Interference (Kelly McMullen) 5. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: Update on Garmin G3X (Kelly McMullen) 6. 07:12 AM - Re: Re: Update on Garmin G3X (Robin Marks) 7. 07:31 AM - Re: Update on Garmin G3X (nukeflyboy) 8. 07:31 AM - Re: Re: Stick - Panel Interference (Carl Froehlich) 9. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: Update on Garmin G3X (Phillip Perry) 10. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: Update on Garmin G3X (Rene Felker) 11. 09:28 AM - Re: Re: Update on Garmin G3X (Phil Perry) 12. 01:39 PM - Re: Stick - Panel Interference (Bob Turner) 13. 01:49 PM - Re: Update on Garmin G3X (Bob Turner) 14. 02:40 PM - Re: # 7 (Patrick Pulis) 15. 03:13 PM - Re: Re: Update on Garmin G3X (egodfrey@ameritech.net) 16. 06:28 PM - Re: Update on Garmin G3X (Bob Turner) 17. 10:02 PM - Builders Incentive (Michael Kraus) 18. 10:47 PM - Re: Builders Incentive (Tim Olson) 19. 11:31 PM - Re: Builders Incentive (Robin Marks) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:49 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Stick - Panel Interference From: "nukeflyboy" Jae, I agree with you. My left leg would not let the stick go that far. I would have to lift up my left leg and move the stick under it and to the left to get the right stick to interfere with the mixture control. Nevertheless, the perfectionist in me couldn't let it be. I was also concerned that the DAR would find it unacceptable. Full control stick deflections in all corners is a standard check and you look for interference, such as mine, binding of bell cranks, adequacy of control stops, and movement of rod end bearings (not hard against the retaining bracket). In reality though I could not see how I could actually get the stick way over there in flight. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376415#376415 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:55 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Update on Garmin G3X From: "nukeflyboy" That just reminded me of 2 other things. I have a GTN-650 and part of the deal with it is you buy one subscription and it covers your "system", which for me is the WAAS navigator AND the G3X. The discrete inputs on the G3X are handy. On my panel design I failed to include an alert that my fuel pump was on. If you takeoff with it running I just had to remember to turn it off. You can guess my success rate on that. Also with the Infinity stick grips the flap switch in (on) off on. It stays on in the up position. You can't hear the motor running so you can also see how easy it is to leave it on. With the G3X no problem. I wired two of the discrete inputs to give me a caution when either the flap motor or fuel pump is running. You can define your own labels and mine says "fuel pump on" and "flap motor". This displays on the PFD screen and also gives me a yellow annunciator light. This is just an example of the flexibility of the system. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376416#376416 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:34 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Stick - Panel Interference This is very true wether you fly with short small people who slide their seat forward or big giant people who have it slid back. You will run out of throw due to body parts before it will hit the stops side to side. You will also never use full forward but will definitely use full aft. The RV-10 has too much pitch authority to use full forward. I still would recommend cutting the sticks down and making sure the stick doesn't hit the panel or any switches though. But I don't think I'd bother going to extremes about the mixture/throttle/prop controls. Tim On Jun 22, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Jae Chang wrote: > > The stick can interfere here and there on the extreme ends. However, before making major changes keep in mind, if you have a passenger in the right seat, you are far more likely to hit their legs than any other type of interference. It's an individual decision, but personally, i never worried about it. > > Jae > -- > > #40533 RV-10 > First flight 10/19/2011 > Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011 > do not archive > > > On 6/22/2012 5:16 AM, nukeflyboy wrote: >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "nukeflyboy" >> >> There is a lot of back-and-forth adjustments to the sticks to get them vertical at the same time the ailerons are in line with the flaps and wing tips. I'm sure that was not the problem. I considered bending the stick as others have done but my wiring was internal to the stick and I didn't want to disassemble the stick grip and re-pull the wires. >> >> By the way, when you align your sticks vertically with the ailerons locked in trail be sure to do this with the elevator in the neutral position. You do get some minor aileron deflection as you move the stick fore and aft. >> >> -------- >> Dave Moore >> RV-6 flying >> RV-10 QB - flying > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:57 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Stick - Panel Interference For those flying, did your DAR make any comments with regards to stick travel and clearance from panel/switches, etc.? I would expect that nose down travel would be needed most at full aft c.g. location, and no flaps...kind of unusual to both be at full aft and need to not use flaps or flaps inop. Probably don't need near full travel even in that event. On 6/23/2012 6:37 AM, Tim Olson wrote: > > This is very true wether you fly with short small people who slide their seat forward or big giant people who have it slid back. You will run out of throw due to body parts before it will hit the stops side to side. You will also never use full forward but will definitely use full aft. > The RV-10 has too much pitch authority to use full forward. I still would recommend cutting the sticks down and making sure the stick doesn't hit the panel or any switches though. But I don't think I'd bother going to extremes about the mixture/throttle/prop controls. > Tim > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Update on Garmin G3X From: Kelly McMullen Is that Garmin or Jeppesen that is granting use of data subscription for "system"? On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 6:09 AM, nukeflyboy wrote: > I have a GTN-650 and part of the deal with it is you buy one subscription and it covers your "system", which for me is the WAAS navigator AND the G3X. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:49 AM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Update on Garmin G3X Dave, My flap motor shuts off when it hits either limit. Nice to have that feature regardless of the visual warnings. I was thinking yesterday that its been about 5 years since I turned on a transponder from standby to on since my equipment turns on / off automatically. Not sure I would remember moving to a legacy transponder. Robin nukeflyboy wrote: ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:32 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Update on Garmin G3X From: "nukeflyboy" Kelly, Garmin does this. I do not think that it covers a 430/530. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376426#376426 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:32 AM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Stick - Panel Interference I had the FSDO do my plane. He took the stick through full motion looking for interference (as I expected him to do). I have the Infinity grips with standard sticks but cut down to just enough to mount the grip. I agree with all the comments however that the pilot's body is far more limiting on stick travel than anything else. Recommend however that you make sure there is no way for the stick to get caught on anything under the panel. Also remember that the stick travel is much different (less travel) with all the push tubes connected and in the final rig position. So if you are still in the fuselage stage take this into consideration before attempting to fix a problem that you may not have. Carl 13 hrs -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:46 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Stick - Panel Interference For those flying, did your DAR make any comments with regards to stick travel and clearance from panel/switches, etc.? I would expect that nose down travel would be needed most at full aft c.g. location, and no flaps...kind of unusual to both be at full aft and need to not use flaps or flaps inop. Probably don't need near full travel even in that event. On 6/23/2012 6:37 AM, Tim Olson wrote: > > This is very true wether you fly with short small people who slide their seat forward or big giant people who have it slid back. You will run out of throw due to body parts before it will hit the stops side to side. You will also never use full forward but will definitely use full aft. > The RV-10 has too much pitch authority to use full forward. I still would recommend cutting the sticks down and making sure the stick doesn't hit the panel or any switches though. But I don't think I'd bother going to extremes about the mixture/throttle/prop controls. > Tim > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Update on Garmin G3X From: Phillip Perry I dropped Vans (ShowPlanes) controller in favor of the FPS-Plus Reflex because of the infinite motor run too. I think it's a little more intuitive to operate too. I still put the visual light on the annunciator panel though just to in case I elect to use a different controller at some point in the future. Phil On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Robin Marks wrote: > > Dave, > My flap motor shuts off when it hits either limit. Nice to have that > feature regardless of the visual warnings. > I was thinking yesterday that its been about 5 years since I turned on a > transponder from standby to on since my equipment turns on / off > automatically. Not sure I would remember moving to a legacy transponder. > Robin > > nukeflyboy wrote: > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:22 AM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Update on Garmin G3X ?? I have the Vans (ShowPlanes), it has an upper limit switch and stops when the flaps are up?? Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 8:56 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Update on Garmin G3X I dropped Vans (ShowPlanes) controller in favor of the FPS-Plus Reflex because of the infinite motor run too. I think it's a little more intuitive to operate too. I still put the visual light on the annunciator panel though just to in case I elect to use a different controller at some point in the future. Phil On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Robin Marks wrote: Dave, My flap motor shuts off when it hits either limit. Nice to have that feature regardless of the visual warnings. I was thinking yesterday that its been about 5 years since I turned on a transponder from standby to on since my equipment turns on / off automatically. Not sure I would remember moving to a legacy transponder. Robin nukeflyboy wrote: ========== arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:14 AM PST US From: Phil Perry Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Update on Garmin G3X I can't remember if mine wouldn't stop at the upper limit or the lower limit . It has been too long ago. But one of the limits on mine didn't exist. I also had more for stop positions on the FPS Plus Reflex. It just ended up b eing a better choice for me. Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2012, at 10:13 AM, "Rene Felker" wrote: > ?? I have the Vans (ShowPlanes), it has an upper limit switch and stops w hen the flaps are up?? > > Rene' Felker > N423CF > 801-721-6080 > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 8:56 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Update on Garmin G3X > > I dropped Vans (ShowPlanes) controller in favor of the FPS-Plus Reflex bec ause of the infinite motor run too. I think it's a little more intuitive to operate too. > > I still put the visual light on the annunciator panel though just to in ca se I elect to use a different controller at some point in the future. > > Phil > > > On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Robin Marks wrote : > > Dave, > My flap motor shuts off when it hits either limit. Nice to have that featu re regardless of the visual warnings. > I was thinking yesterday that its been about 5 years since I turned on a t ransponder from standby to on since my equipment turns on / off automaticall y. Not sure I would remember moving to a legacy transponder. > Robin > > nukeflyboy wrote: > > > > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:07 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Stick - Panel Interference From: "Bob Turner" My DAR looked briefly, and made no comment, about stick travel. But I had made sure it didn't hit anything, nor can it hang up on the panel. I have a Tosten grip, and I both cut the stick down, and bent it a little more. Exception: the Tosten grip can rotate, and if I rotate it abnormally then it can touch the alternate air knob (full forward, full right). But it can't hang up, at worst it would activate the alternate air if I pulled it back like that. As Tim said, I cannot imagine using full nose down in any circumstance, including aft loadings. But for landing with forward CG I do wish it had a bit more nose up authority. I have to carry 18 lbs ballast when solo (I'm short so the seat is one notch away from full forward). -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376454#376454 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:59 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Update on Garmin G3X From: "Bob Turner" For those who are still considering what system to buy, Dave has an excellent point that is often overlooked: "little things count". It's easy to overlook the little things. I got some good advice from Stein who steered me toward the Horizon over the Sport, both from GRT, for my needs. HX has 8 serial inputs, more than the 4 the Sport had. "So what?" I thought. Well, guess what. I ended up using 7 of them! Same thing for analog inputs. When you're new to this it's really hard to know how many you're going to want. But whatever system you settle on don't forget to at least try to see if it has enough of the little things, like digital and analog inputs, that you'll eventually want. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376457#376457 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: # 7 From: Patrick Pulis Hey, congratulations Jesse. Please give the proud new mum our regards, my wife Linda would love to see a picture of the new arrival. Warm regards from down under. Patrick & Linda Pulis Adelaide South Australia On 23/06/2012, at 3:35 PM, Jesse Saint wrote: > > Annabelle Carmelle Saint born at 1:45 AM on June 23rd. > > Jesse Saint > > Do not archive > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:58 PM PST US From: "egodfrey@ameritech.net" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Update on Garmin G3X Bob, Could you provide a list of the 7 inputs that you used? Thanks. Ed Godfrey 40717 On 6/23/2012 3:49 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > > For those who are still considering what system to buy, Dave has an excellent point that is often overlooked: "little things count". > > It's easy to overlook the little things. I got some good advice from Stein who steered me toward the Horizon over the Sport, both from GRT, for my needs. > HX has 8 serial inputs, more than the 4 the Sport had. "So what?" I thought. Well, guess what. I ended up using 7 of them! Same thing for analog inputs. When you're new to this it's really hard to know how many you're going to want. But whatever system you settle on don't forget to at least try to see if it has enough of the little things, like digital and analog inputs, that you'll eventually want. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376457#376457 > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:30 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Update on Garmin G3X From: "Bob Turner" Okay, I'm doing this from memory as the wiring diagram is at the airport. I cannot remember the actual port numbers. For the HX it doesn't matter, they're all the same. For the HS only 2 ports are hi speed. The HX has 8 high speed ports; the HS has 6 total, 2 high speed and 4 low. Stuff I have to be connected: GRT Horizon HX, Horizon HS, GRT EIS (GRT has engine instruments in a separate box called EIS), remote AHRS (air data, heading reference system and remote magnetometer); Trio Pro autopilot, SL-30 nav/com, G420 com/gps (no VOR), gtx 327 transponder. I have a wxworks xm weather receiver which connects to the HX via a USB connection. Stuff I have which is not connected to the GRT: home built audio panel/intercom, backup EFIS Dynon D6, hand held GPS, hand held nav/com, magnetic compass(!). As you probably know, the serial ports come in input/output pairs which are independent except they both have to run at the same speed. On the HX, serial inputs I have: AHRS, interlink from HS, SL30, gps (from 420), EIS On the HX, serial outputs I have: AHRS, interlink to HS, SL30, Trio autopilot, EIS, air data (altitude) to GTX 327, XM wx to HS (This is where I used 7 of the 8 available) On the HS, serial inputs I have: AHRS, xm wx (this must be high speed port), SL30, interlink from HX, gps from 420, EIS. (I used all 6 available ports). On the HS, serial outputs, I have: interlink to HX. You may notice a serial line out to the 420 is missing. Stein wired it so the data going to the GTX327 loops back to the 420 input. Otherwise another serial out from one of the Horizons would have been needed. I could have moved some of the outputs, like the EIS or even the air data to the transponder, from the HX over to the HS. I would have had to do this if I had only 6 ports (eg two HS units). You'll also notice that there is redundancy, e.g., gps and SL30 wired to both units. This data could go to just one EFIS, and then over the interdisplay link. But this way you don't lose that data if one EFIS fails. There is also ARINC data (HX only) between the HX, 420, and Trio. I'd be happy to try to clarify this if you have questions. Bob -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376474#376474 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:24 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Builders Incentive From: Michael Kraus Just out of paint! -Mike Kraus Sent from my iPhone
________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:15 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Builders Incentive Love it! Tim do not archive On 6/24/2012 12:00 AM, Michael Kraus wrote: > Just out of paint! > > > -Mike Kraus > Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:24 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Builders Incentive Nice, any interior or panel photos? Robin do not archive On 6/24/2012 12:00 AM, Michael Kraus wrote: > Just out of paint! > > > -Mike Kraus > Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.