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1. 05:53 AM - Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation (bill.peyton)
2. 06:43 AM - Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? (Sean Stephens)
3. 06:56 AM - Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? (Kelly McMullen)
4. 06:56 AM - Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? (dmaib@me.com)
5. 07:24 AM - Re: Nose Gear Insert tool (fdombroski)
6. 08:17 AM - Re: Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? (Kelly McMullen)
7. 08:33 AM - Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? (Dave Saylor)
8. 08:40 AM - Re: Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? (Sean Stephens)
9. 09:18 AM - Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? (John Cox)
10. 09:32 AM - Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? (Sean Stephens)
11. 12:46 PM - Re: high oil PSI. (Thane States)
12. 02:26 PM - Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? (Kelly McMullen)
13. 02:51 PM - Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? (tsts4)
14. 03:21 PM - Re: Infant carseat in the -10 (Rob Kochman)
15. 03:33 PM - Re: Infant carseat in the -10 (Robin Marks)
16. 03:35 PM - Re: Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? (Steve Stella)
17. 04:23 PM - Re: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation (Robin Marks)
18. 05:30 PM - Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? (Bob Turner)
19. 05:50 PM - Re: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation (Kelly McMullen)
20. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation (Robin Marks)
21. 07:37 PM - Re: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation (Kelly McMullen)
22. 07:58 PM - Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? (tsts4)
23. 08:03 PM - Re: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation (Robin Marks)
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| Subject: | Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
You should read the thread on VAF regarding the installation using the newer "gray"
cowling. It is posted here
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=86547&highlight=skybolt
There are issues with the new cowling that require grinding out around each one
of the fasteners for clearance. In spite of the fact that I went back to the
hinge, I should have made the top edge installation work. Using the hinges
on the sides makes for a much nicer and stronger joint. The hinge pins remove
very easily. Around the top is the area that really sees and improvement in
regards to removing and re-installing the cowling. The top hinges, due to the
curvature, prevent you from lifting directly upwards to remove the cowl. installing
the Skybolt fasteners on the top would be a great improvement.
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Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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| Subject: | Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
Assembling the brakes on the mains the other day and I noticed that the
two bolts that came with the brake assemblies which attach the back
plate were not drilled head bolts. Every plane I've seen has these two
bolts safety-wired.
Did others get non-drilled head bolts with their brake assemblies, or is
it just me?
I believe that those two bolts are AN4-20? Is that what others replaced
them with for safety wiring?
-Sean #40303 (Overhead Console)
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
Having drilled head bolts there is a belt and suspenders approach. In
most Cleveland brake calipers the bolts go into self locking threads and
need no additional retention. The Cessna 170/172 Cleveland retrofit kits
don't have drilled bolts either...flew with them for 20+ years with no
problems.
On 6/28/2012 6:42 AM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>
> Assembling the brakes on the mains the other day and I noticed that
> the two bolts that came with the brake assemblies which attach the
> back plate were not drilled head bolts. Every plane I've seen has
> these two bolts safety-wired.
>
> Did others get non-drilled head bolts with their brake assemblies, or
> is it just me?
>
> I believe that those two bolts are AN4-20? Is that what others
> replaced them with for safety wiring?
>
> -Sean #40303 (Overhead Console)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
They are not drilled head bolts. The DAR noticed this during our AW inspection
and asked about it. We looked in the plans and found that they do not call for
drilled heads. He was surprised, but OK with it since it was per plans. I decided
to go ahead and install drilled head bolts and safety wire for peace of mind.
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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
Transition Trainer
New Smyrna Beach, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Gear Insert tool |
Hi Tom, I received the insert pack, I will send them along with the kit. Many
thanks...
Frank
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Frank Dombroski
RV-10 N10FD Flying
Rv-7A N453DM Flying Subaru
RV-8 N84FD Finished and sold :-{
SMQ Somerset Airport NJ
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
Note that it is Cleveland that supplies the brakes without drilled head
bolts. I don't recall which variety of self locking they use, but the
calipers definitely have self locking on those bolts. You cannot back a
bolt out 1/2 turn and then hand turn bolt as you could if they were
ordinary threads.
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:56 AM, dmaib@me.com <dmaib@me.com> wrote:
>
> They are not drilled head bolts. The DAR noticed this during our AW
> inspection and asked about it. We looked in the plans and found that they
> do not call for drilled heads. He was surprised, but OK with it since it
> was per plans. I decided to go ahead and install drilled head bolts and
> safety wire for peace of mind.
>
> --------
> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
> Transition Trainer
> New Smyrna Beach, FL
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376775#376775
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
Another area that could be addressed is that Cleveland uses nylock nuts to
secure the guide pins. I've seen the plastic melted away after the brakes
get hot. That's a good place for a metal nut. Not that there's a huge
chance of the guide pins falling out but it couldn't hurt.
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
> Having drilled head bolts there is a belt and suspenders approach. In most
> Cleveland brake calipers the bolts go into self locking threads and need no
> additional retention. The Cessna 170/172 Cleveland retrofit kits don't have
> drilled bolts either...flew with them for 20+ years with no problems.
>
>
> On 6/28/2012 6:42 AM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>
>>
>> Assembling the brakes on the mains the other day and I noticed that the
>> two bolts that came with the brake assemblies which attach the back plate
>> were not drilled head bolts. Every plane I've seen has these two bolts
>> safety-wired.
>>
>> Did others get non-drilled head bolts with their brake assemblies, or is
>> it just me?
>>
>> I believe that those two bolts are AN4-20? Is that what others replaced
>> them with for safety wiring?
>>
>> -Sean #40303 (Overhead Console)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
Yes, the non-drilled bolts come with the kit from Parker/Cleveland. I
noticed that locking effect when I was removing the bolts. It would
seem to prevent the bolt from backing out under most if not all
vibration scenarios when torqued to the spec on the calipers.
I was just wondering if some folks but on their belt and suspenders and
swapped them out for AN4H-20A.
On 6/28/12 10:17 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> Note that it is Cleveland that supplies the brakes without drilled
> head bolts. I don't recall which variety of self locking they use, but
> the calipers definitely have self locking on those bolts. You cannot
> back a bolt out 1/2 turn and then hand turn bolt as you could if they
> were ordinary threads.
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:56 AM, dmaib@me.com <mailto:dmaib@me.com>
> <dmaib@me.com <mailto:dmaib@me.com>> wrote:
>
> <mailto:dmaib@me.com>" <dmaib@me.com <mailto:dmaib@me.com>>
>
> They are not drilled head bolts. The DAR noticed this during our
> AW inspection and asked about it. We looked in the plans and found
> that they do not call for drilled heads. He was surprised, but OK
> with it since it was per plans. I decided to go ahead and install
> drilled head bolts and safety wire for peace of mind.
>
> --------
> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
> Transition Trainer
> New Smyrna Beach, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
the wheel assemblies are supplied by MATCO. Matco has changed to Nordlock
washers as the fastener of choice. The AN4H (with hole in the head) has
been replaced with Nordlocks.
Johnny Horizon
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
> Having drilled head bolts there is a belt and suspenders approach. In most
> Cleveland brake calipers the bolts go into self locking threads and need no
> additional retention. The Cessna 170/172 Cleveland retrofit kits don't have
> drilled bolts either...flew with them for 20+ years with no problems.
>
>
> On 6/28/2012 6:42 AM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>
>>
>> Assembling the brakes on the mains the other day and I noticed that the
>> two bolts that came with the brake assemblies which attach the back plate
>> were not drilled head bolts. Every plane I've seen has these two bolts
>> safety-wired.
>>
>> Did others get non-drilled head bolts with their brake assemblies, or is
>> it just me?
>>
>> I believe that those two bolts are AN4-20? Is that what others replaced
>> them with for safety wiring?
>>
>> -Sean #40303 (Overhead Console)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
My "main" wheels and brake kits are from Parker Cleveland. It came with
AN4-20A bolts to attach the back plate.
The nose wheel axle has the Nordlock washers, not the main
wheels/brakes. At least on my kit.
-Sean #40303
On 6/28/12 11:16 AM, John Cox wrote:
> the wheel assemblies are supplied by MATCO. Matco has changed to
> Nordlock washers as the fastener of choice. The AN4H (with hole in
> the head) has been replaced with Nordlocks.
> Johnny Horizon
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com
> <mailto:kellym@aviating.com>> wrote:
>
> <kellym@aviating.com <mailto:kellym@aviating.com>>
>
> Having drilled head bolts there is a belt and suspenders approach.
> In most Cleveland brake calipers the bolts go into self locking
> threads and need no additional retention. The Cessna 170/172
> Cleveland retrofit kits don't have drilled bolts either...flew
> with them for 20+ years with no problems.
>
>
> On 6/28/2012 6:42 AM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>
> <sean@stephensville.com <mailto:sean@stephensville.com>>
>
> Assembling the brakes on the mains the other day and I noticed
> that the two bolts that came with the brake assemblies which
> attach the back plate were not drilled head bolts. Every
> plane I've seen has these two bolts safety-wired.
>
> Did others get non-drilled head bolts with their brake
> assemblies, or is it just me?
>
> I believe that those two bolts are AN4-20? Is that what
> others replaced them with for safety wiring?
>
> -Sean #40303 (Overhead Console)
>
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| Subject: | Re: high oil PSI. |
After validating my oil PSI was ok with a mechanical gauge. I then
began to hunt for the cause of my oil PSI going up to 99 PSI. What I
found was that I had a failure in the one wire that comes off the
sender. After replacing the whole wire the Oil PSI was back to normal.
Initially, I replaced the connector on the sender and that did nothing.
I had to go back to basics and get the old continuity tester out, and
that was how I found the failed connector under the panel. Thanks to
those who posted with helpful ideas.
Thane Sates
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From: pilotdds
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: high oil PSI.
Thane keep me posted on this I made an unscheduled stop in blythe Ca
after a 7000 mile trip
Over the course of 300 miles the oil pressure indication went from83to
95 when I landed.Temp dropped but I richened the mixture and reduced
RPM.I removed the cowl at BLH and tapped on the vernitherm,wiggled wires
and turned down oilpressure adjustment but only one turn in case it was
an erroneos reading.On talkoff it was 92 but came down to 85 and I was
able to return home.I am using grt equipment also but have had no
trouble.This weekend I will check accuracy with a mechanical gauge.Sac
sky ranch talks about possible blockage inthe right oil gallery but that
may be jumping the gun.My engine is a narrow deck 540 that i overhauled
myself with 450 hours using aeroshell 100 plus.To: rv10-list
<rv10-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun 13, 2012 11:27 am
Subject: Re: RV10-List: high oil PSI.
Ok Guys, finally got the Oil PSi. sender changed today, and now am
even more confused.
Upon start, the Oil psi was at 99 psi and stayed there. I did a 5-7
minute engine run, and the psi never changed from
99 psi.
Any ideas?? Could I have a brand new sender that is bad?
Thanks in advance,
Thane
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From: DLM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 10:25 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: high oil PSI.
welcome to the club.the VDO 360-003 is the same used on a certified
Piper product. The cost with the FAA PMA stamped exceeds $200. they are
available to the experimental machines for $28 from
http://www.jegs.com/i/VDO/918/360-003/10002/-1. The first lasted about
$500 hours; the second gave intermittent high readings in about 25
hours.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl
Froehlich
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 6:42 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: high oil PSI.
I=C2=92ve seen the GRT fuel pressure sender go bad and read real
high.
I=C2=92d guess you have a bad sender.
Carl
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thane States
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:01 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: high oil PSI.
Hey guys, I went out flying this weekend and had a strange rise
in oil psi. Ist, I have a BPE, IO-540. 222 hrs. I was at 4500 msl when
I glanced over to see my oil psi at 91 psi. Within a minute it jumped
one more psi and so on until it showed 99 psi. By this time I already
turned back for home, and had reduced power to see if that helped. That
didn't change anything. Once I landed, and was at taxi power, it showed
in the low 70's.
Anyone else ever see this? BTW, I have the GRT system, and I am
on my 3rd. fuel psi sender. Could this be the same problem, bad
sender??
Thane states
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
Has Van's changed from Cleveland wheels/brakes for the mains? When I got my
finish kit 18 mo ago it was all Cleveland on the mains. The Clevelands do
not use drilled head bolts.
Kelly
40866
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 9:16 AM, John Cox <rv10pro@gmail.com> wrote:
> the wheel assemblies are supplied by MATCO. Matco has changed to Nordlock
> washers as the fastener of choice. The AN4H (with hole in the head) has
> been replaced with Nordlocks.
>
> Johnny Horizon
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
Hmmm. My brakes are Grove and the bolts came drilled. Has Van's been changing
suppliers?
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728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
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| Subject: | Re: Infant carseat in the -10 |
Just to close the loop on this, I decided the current setup with the Crow
seatbelts is fine. We took the little guy flying yesterday for the first
time (at 3 weeks old), and it went really well.
http://kochman.net/N819K/?p=1309
-Rob
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks, guys... I may try getting the Van's harness to see whether it
> works better. How short can you make one side of the lap belt? Would
> prefer the buckle to be on the side, rather in the middle.
>
> Baby is due June 12. We're really excited. When we do start flying, the
> plan is to have my wife in the other back seat with him.
>
> -Rob
>
> do not archive
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>wrote:
>
>> When is the baby due? My wife should be having a little girl around
>> June 19th. Not exactly our first, but precious just the same.
>>
>> We have only had a baby in the plane once. We strapped in the infant
>> carrier without the base. We have the standard Vans 4-point harnesses and
>> it was adequate.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> I-TEC, Inc.
>> jesse@itecusa.org
>> www.itecusa.org
>> www.mavericklsa.com
>> C: 352-427-0285
>> O: 352-465-4545
>> F: 815-377-3694
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 21, 2012, at 12:07 AM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just a few weeks away from our first kid, and I'm already thinking
>> about flying him around. I test fit our infant (rear-facing) carseat
>> today, and am not happy with how the lap belt of my 4-point system secures
>> the seat (see picture). I'd rather not have the buckle in the middle.
>> Ideally I'd use the seat base, but my seatbelt doesn't get short enough to
>> make the base work. What have others done?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for the help...
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> --
>> Rob Kochman
>> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
>> Woodinville, WA
>> http://kochman.net/N819K
>>
>> <carseat_sm.jpg>
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> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
> Woodinville, WA
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| Subject: | Infant carseat in the -10 |
Nice flying family photos Rob!
Robin
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atronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Infant carseat in the -10
Just to close the loop on this, I decided the current setup with the Crow s
eatbelts is fine. We took the little guy flying yesterday for the first ti
me (at 3 weeks old), and it went really well. http://kochman.net/N819K/?p
=1309
-Rob
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com<mailto:rv1
0rob@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks, guys... I may try getting the Van's harness to see whether it works
better. How short can you make one side of the lap belt? Would prefer th
e buckle to be on the side, rather in the middle.
Baby is due June 12. We're really excited. When we do start flying, the p
lan is to have my wife in the other back seat with him.
-Rob
do not archive
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com<mailt
o:jesse@saintaviation.com>> wrote:
When is the baby due? My wife should be having a little girl around June 19
th. Not exactly our first, but precious just the same.
We have only had a baby in the plane once. We strapped in the infant carrie
r without the base. We have the standard Vans 4-point harnesses and it was
adequate.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org<mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
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On May 21, 2012, at 12:07 AM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com<mailto:rv10rob
@gmail.com>> wrote:
Just a few weeks away from our first kid, and I'm already thinking about fl
ying him around. I test fit our infant (rear-facing) carseat today, and am
not happy with how the lap belt of my 4-point system secures the seat (see
picture). I'd rather not have the buckle in the middle. Ideally I'd use
the seat base, but my seatbelt doesn't get short enough to make the base wo
rk. What have others done?
Thanks in advance for the help...
-Rob
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
I just got my finish kit on Tuesday and the brakes were also Grove.
Steve Stella
#40654
521RV (reserved)
Finishing
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:51 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled?
Hmmm. My brakes are Grove and the bolts came drilled. Has Van's been
changing suppliers?
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728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
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| Subject: | Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
Here is our solution for the -10. Works well. I opted for S/S screws on the
8A to save $, weight and simplify the build.
On the -10 especially I have had issues with the lower side cowl piano hing
es damaging the fuse paint when removing & installing the lower cowl. A lon
ger nose wheel slot would have been beneficial to ease all the on/off.
Absolutely don't use Skybolts on the underside of the cowl (IMHO). Just too
much vibration, oil etc... for them to hold up long term. Ask me how I kno
w?
Robin
http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/SjCowl.aspx
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/C
owl-Fitting-6.jpg]
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of bill.peyton
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
to:peyton.b@sbcglobal.net>>
You should read the thread on VAF regarding the installation using the newe
r "gray" cowling. It is posted here http://www.vansairforce.com/community
/showthread.php?t=86547&highlight=skybolt
There are issues with the new cowling that require grinding out around each
one of the fasteners for clearance. In spite of the fact that I went bac
k to the hinge, I should have made the top edge installation work. Using t
he hinges on the sides makes for a much nicer and stronger joint. The hing
e pins remove very easily. Around the top is the area that really sees and
improvement in regards to removing and re-installing the cowling. The top
hinges, due to the curvature, prevent you from lifting directly upwards to
remove the cowl. installing the Skybolt fasteners on the top would be a g
reat improvement.
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
I think I read that Vans had changed the main wheels.
Are the Grove brake pads less expensive than the $18 each Clevelands?
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
Robin, just trying to comprehend what you said and what I see in the
photos. Looks like you have Skybolts or some other camlock fasterners over
the top and out to the front, with piano hinge for the bottom half attach
to firewall. Is that correct, or are my eyes fooling me?
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com> wrote:
> Here is our solution for the -10. Works well. I opted for S/S screws on
> the 8A to save $, weight and simplify the build.****
>
> On the -10 especially I have had issues with the lower side cowl piano
> hinges damaging the fuse paint when removing & installing the lower cowl.
A
> longer nose wheel slot would have been beneficial to ease all the on/off.
*
> ***
>
> Absolutely don=92t use Skybolts on the underside of the cowl (IMHO). Just
> too much vibration, oil etc=85 for them to hold up long term. Ask me how
I
> know?****
>
> ** **
>
> Robin****
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/SjCowl.aspx ****
>
> [image: Description:
> http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/Cowl-Fitting-
6.jpg]
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>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill.peyton
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:53 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
>
> ** **
>
*
> *
>
> ** **
>
> You should read the thread on VAF regarding the installation using the
> newer "gray" cowling. It is posted here
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=86547&highlight
=skybolt
> ****
>
> There are issues with the new cowling that require grinding out around
> each one of the fasteners for clearance. In spite of the fact that I we
nt
> back to the hinge, I should have made the top edge installation work.
> Using the hinges on the sides makes for a much nicer and stronger joint.
> The hinge pins remove very easily. Around the top is the area that reall
y
> sees and improvement in regards to removing and re-installing the cowling
.
> The top hinges, due to the curvature, prevent you from lifting directly
> upwards to remove the cowl. installing the Skybolt fasteners on the top
> would be a great improvement.****
>
> ** **
>
> --------****
>
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>
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>
> Aviation Partners, LLC****
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| Subject: | Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
Correct, the locks are along all the edges of the top cowl. I forgot which
locks I got but they are the ones that allow you to adjust for height. On t
he 8A I used all #SS screws & washers in place of the locks. Saved $500 and
some weight. Plus much easier & cheaper to replace in the field.
The Piano hinges are on the sides of the lower cowl and have damaged some o
f the fuse paint when taking on / off the cowl so many times (mostly due to
the SJ cowl). If I had made the nose gear slot longer it may have been eas
ier to drop the lower cowl down enough to better position it for installati
on without smacking the fuse with the shark tooth like piano hinges.
Did that answer your Q's?
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
Robin, just trying to comprehend what you said and what I see in the photos
. Looks like you have Skybolts or some other camlock fasterners over the to
p and out to the front, with piano hinge for the bottom half attach to fire
wall. Is that correct, or are my eyes fooling me?
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com<mailto:
robin@painttheweb.com>> wrote:
Here is our solution for the -10. Works well. I opted for S/S screws on the
8A to save $, weight and simplify the build.
On the -10 especially I have had issues with the lower side cowl piano hing
es damaging the fuse paint when removing & installing the lower cowl. A lon
ger nose wheel slot would have been beneficial to ease all the on/off.
Absolutely don't use Skybolts on the underside of the cowl (IMHO). Just too
much vibration, oil etc... for them to hold up long term. Ask me how I kno
w?
Robin
http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/SjCowl.aspx
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/C
owl-Fitting-6.jpg]
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/1
00_2448.jpg]
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/1
00_2453.jpg]
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/1
00_2450.jpg]
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/C
owl_Left.jpg]
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ma
tronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10
-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of bill.peyton
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
to:peyton.b@sbcglobal.net>>
You should read the thread on VAF regarding the installation using the newe
r "gray" cowling. It is posted here http://www.vansairforce.com/community
/showthread.php?t=86547&highlight=skybolt
There are issues with the new cowling that require grinding out around each
one of the fasteners for clearance. In spite of the fact that I went bac
k to the hinge, I should have made the top edge installation work. Using t
he hinges on the sides makes for a much nicer and stronger joint. The hing
e pins remove very easily. Around the top is the area that really sees and
improvement in regards to removing and re-installing the cowling. The top
hinges, due to the curvature, prevent you from lifting directly upwards to
remove the cowl. installing the Skybolt fasteners on the top would be a g
reat improvement.
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376765#376765
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| Subject: | Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
Yes, mostly. I'm assuming with the SS screws you are using an aluminum
strip with nutplates on the inside of cowling?
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com> wrote:
> Correct, the locks are *along all the edges of the top cowl*. I forgot
> which locks I got but they are the ones that allow you to adjust for
> height. On the 8A I used all #SS screws & washers in place of the locks.
> Saved $500 and some weight. Plus much easier & cheaper to replace in the
> field.****
>
> The Piano hinges are on the sides of the lower cowl and have damaged some
> of the fuse paint when taking on / off the cowl so many times (mostly due
> to the SJ cowl). If I had made the nose gear slot longer it may have been
> easier to drop the lower cowl down enough to better position it for
> installation without smacking the fuse with the shark tooth like piano
> hinges.****
>
> Did that answer your Q's?****
>
> ** **
>
> Robin****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Kelly McMullen
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:50 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation****
>
> ** **
>
> Robin, just trying to comprehend what you said and what I see in the
> photos. Looks like you have Skybolts or some other camlock fasterners ove
r
> the top and out to the front, with piano hinge for the bottom half attach
> to firewall. Is that correct, or are my eyes fooling me?****
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com>
> wrote:****
>
> Here is our solution for the -10. Works well. I opted for S/S screws on
> the 8A to save $, weight and simplify the build.****
>
> On the -10 especially I have had issues with the lower side cowl piano
> hinges damaging the fuse paint when removing & installing the lower cowl.
A
> longer nose wheel slot would have been beneficial to ease all the on/off.
*
> ***
>
> Absolutely don=92t use Skybolts on the underside of the cowl (IMHO). Just
> too much vibration, oil etc=85 for them to hold up long term. Ask me how
I
> know?****
>
> ****
>
> Robin****
>
> ****
>
> http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/SjCowl.aspx ****
>
> [image: Description:
> http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/Cowl-Fitting-
6.jpg]
> ****
>
> [image: Description:
> http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/100_2448.jpg]
*
> ***
>
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> http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/100_2453.jpg]
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill.peyton
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:53 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation****
>
> ****
>
*
> *
>
> ****
>
> You should read the thread on VAF regarding the installation using the
> newer "gray" cowling. It is posted here
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=86547&highlight
=skybolt
> ****
>
> There are issues with the new cowling that require grinding out around
> each one of the fasteners for clearance. In spite of the fact that I we
nt
> back to the hinge, I should have made the top edge installation work.
> Using the hinges on the sides makes for a much nicer and stronger joint.
> The hinge pins remove very easily. Around the top is the area that reall
y
> sees and improvement in regards to removing and re-installing the cowling
.
> The top hinges, due to the curvature, prevent you from lifting directly
> upwards to remove the cowl. installing the Skybolt fasteners on the top
> would be a great improvement.****
>
> ****
>
> --------****
>
> Bill****
>
> WA0SYV****
>
> Aviation Partners, LLC****
>
> ****
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
Bob Turner wrote:
> I think I read that Vans had changed the main wheels.
> Are the Grove brake pads less expensive than the $18 each Clevelands?
Appears to be. From the Grove Website, the pads for the the 36-2M caliper that
came in my kit:
066-105 Brake Pad
Each - P/N: 066-105 - $7.45
Kit - P/N: 066-105K - $26.50
Includes 4 pads and 8 rivets
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
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| Subject: | Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
Exactly. Used #8 with hellman ? Washers. always wanted to try next larger
size and a couple fewer sets but didn't.
Robin
Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, mostly. I'm assuming with the SS screws you are using an aluminum stri
p with nutplates on the inside of cowling?
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com<mailto:
robin@painttheweb.com>> wrote:
Correct, the locks are along all the edges of the top cowl. I forgot which
locks I got but they are the ones that allow you to adjust for height. On t
he 8A I used all #SS screws & washers in place of the locks. Saved $500 and
some weight. Plus much easier & cheaper to replace in the field.
The Piano hinges are on the sides of the lower cowl and have damaged some o
f the fuse paint when taking on / off the cowl so many times (mostly due to
the SJ cowl). If I had made the nose gear slot longer it may have been eas
ier to drop the lower cowl down enough to better position it for installati
on without smacking the fuse with the shark tooth like piano hinges.
Did that answer your Q's?
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ma
tronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10
-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
Robin, just trying to comprehend what you said and what I see in the photos
. Looks like you have Skybolts or some other camlock fasterners over the to
p and out to the front, with piano hinge for the bottom half attach to fire
wall. Is that correct, or are my eyes fooling me?
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com<mailto:
robin@painttheweb.com>> wrote:
Here is our solution for the -10. Works well. I opted for S/S screws on the
8A to save $, weight and simplify the build.
On the -10 especially I have had issues with the lower side cowl piano hing
es damaging the fuse paint when removing & installing the lower cowl. A lon
ger nose wheel slot would have been beneficial to ease all the on/off.
Absolutely don=92t use Skybolts on the underside of the cowl (IMHO). Just t
oo much vibration, oil etc=85 for them to hold up long term. Ask me how I k
now?
Robin
http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/SjCowl.aspx
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/C
owl-Fitting-6.jpg]
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/1
00_2448.jpg]
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/1
00_2453.jpg]
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/1
00_2450.jpg]
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/C
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tronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10
-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of bill.peyton
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
to:peyton.b@sbcglobal.net>>
You should read the thread on VAF regarding the installation using the newe
r "gray" cowling. It is posted here http://www.vansairforce.com/community
/showthread.php?t=86547&highlight=skybolt
There are issues with the new cowling that require grinding out around each
one of the fasteners for clearance. In spite of the fact that I went bac
k to the hinge, I should have made the top edge installation work. Using t
he hinges on the sides makes for a much nicer and stronger joint. The hing
e pins remove very easily. Around the top is the area that really sees and
improvement in regards to removing and re-installing the cowling. The top
hinges, due to the curvature, prevent you from lifting directly upwards to
remove the cowl. installing the Skybolt fasteners on the top would be a g
reat improvement.
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Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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