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1. 05:26 AM - Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? (jkreidler)
2. 04:56 PM - Re: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation (Robin Marks)
3. 05:46 PM - Re: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation (Carl Froehlich)
4. 10:26 PM - Re: Flying the US (AirMike)
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
In looking at the differences between the Grove and Cleveland brakes the Grove's
appear to be a bit stronger. The Grove's are rated at 7000lbs with 186792 lb-ft
and the Cleveland's are rated 6000 lbs with 185000 ft-lbs. Not that the
Cleveland brakes are all that bad, but I sure am glad they moved in the right
direction by beefing them up just a bit.
Noticed the other night we are approaching 400 hours - how time flies when you're,
well, flying!
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Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
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| Subject: | Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
Correction:
Not Hellman Washers. They are more famous for their mayonnaise.
We use Tinnerman Washers
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/nas549washers2.php
Of note, we didn't want as large a flange on the Tinnerman washers (especia
lly on the spinner) so we took about a hundred washers and laced them on an
appropriate size bolt then used a grinding wheel to remove about half the
flange. This took less than 5 minutes to make 100 custom Tinnerman washers.
One can use standard washers, we just thought the reduced flange looked be
tter for this application.
[Description: C:\Users\Robin\Desktop\Washer Detail.jpg]
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
Exactly. Used #8 with hellman ? Washers. always wanted to try next larger
size and a couple fewer sets but didn't.
Robin
Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com<mailto:apilot2@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yes, mostly. I'm assuming with the SS screws you are using an aluminum stri
p with nutplates on the inside of cowling?
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com<mailto:
robin@painttheweb.com>> wrote:
Correct, the locks are along all the edges of the top cowl. I forgot which
locks I got but they are the ones that allow you to adjust for height. On t
he 8A I used all #SS screws & washers in place of the locks. Saved $500 and
some weight. Plus much easier & cheaper to replace in the field.
The Piano hinges are on the sides of the lower cowl and have damaged some o
f the fuse paint when taking on / off the cowl so many times (mostly due to
the SJ cowl). If I had made the nose gear slot longer it may have been eas
ier to drop the lower cowl down enough to better position it for installati
on without smacking the fuse with the shark tooth like piano hinges.
Did that answer your Q's?
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ma
tronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10
-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
Robin, just trying to comprehend what you said and what I see in the photos
. Looks like you have Skybolts or some other camlock fasterners over the to
p and out to the front, with piano hinge for the bottom half attach to fire
wall. Is that correct, or are my eyes fooling me?
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com<mailto:
robin@painttheweb.com>> wrote:
Here is our solution for the -10. Works well. I opted for S/S screws on the
8A to save $, weight and simplify the build.
On the -10 especially I have had issues with the lower side cowl piano hing
es damaging the fuse paint when removing & installing the lower cowl. A lon
ger nose wheel slot would have been beneficial to ease all the on/off.
Absolutely don't use Skybolts on the underside of the cowl (IMHO). Just too
much vibration, oil etc... for them to hold up long term. Ask me how I kno
w?
Robin
http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/SjCowl.aspx
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/C
owl-Fitting-6.jpg]
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/1
00_2448.jpg]
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/1
00_2453.jpg]
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/1
00_2450.jpg]
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/C
owl_Left.jpg]
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ma
tronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10
-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of bill.peyton
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
to:peyton.b@sbcglobal.net>>
You should read the thread on VAF regarding the installation using the newe
r "gray" cowling. It is posted here http://www.vansairforce.com/community
/showthread.php?t=86547&highlight=skybolt
There are issues with the new cowling that require grinding out around each
one of the fasteners for clearance. In spite of the fact that I went bac
k to the hinge, I should have made the top edge installation work. Using t
he hinges on the sides makes for a much nicer and stronger joint. The hing
e pins remove very easily. Around the top is the area that really sees and
improvement in regards to removing and re-installing the cowling. The top
hinges, due to the curvature, prevent you from lifting directly upwards to
remove the cowl. installing the Skybolt fasteners on the top would be a g
reat improvement.
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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| Subject: | Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
Another way to do the spinner is to take #6 Tinnerman washers and drill them
out to take a #8 screw.
Carl
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 7:55 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
Correction:
Not Hellman Washers. They are more famous for their mayonnaise.
We use Tinnerman Washers
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/nas549washers2.php
Of note, we didn't want as large a flange on the Tinnerman washers
(especially on the spinner) so we took about a hundred washers and laced
them on an appropriate size bolt then used a grinding wheel to remove about
half the flange. This took less than 5 minutes to make 100 custom Tinnerman
washers. One can use standard washers, we just thought the reduced flange
looked better for this application.
Description: C:\Users\Robin\Desktop\Washer Detail.jpg
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
Exactly. Used #8 with hellman ? Washers. always wanted to try next larger
size and a couple fewer sets but didn't.
Robin
Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, mostly. I'm assuming with the SS screws you are using an aluminum strip
with nutplates on the inside of cowling?
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com> wrote:
Correct, the locks are along all the edges of the top cowl. I forgot which
locks I got but they are the ones that allow you to adjust for height. On
the 8A I used all #SS screws & washers in place of the locks. Saved $500 and
some weight. Plus much easier & cheaper to replace in the field.
The Piano hinges are on the sides of the lower cowl and have damaged some of
the fuse paint when taking on / off the cowl so many times (mostly due to
the SJ cowl). If I had made the nose gear slot longer it may have been
easier to drop the lower cowl down enough to better position it for
installation without smacking the fuse with the shark tooth like piano
hinges.
Did that answer your Q's?
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
Robin, just trying to comprehend what you said and what I see in the photos.
Looks like you have Skybolts or some other camlock fasterners over the top
and out to the front, with piano hinge for the bottom half attach to
firewall. Is that correct, or are my eyes fooling me?
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com> wrote:
Here is our solution for the -10. Works well. I opted for S/S screws on the
8A to save $, weight and simplify the build.
On the -10 especially I have had issues with the lower side cowl piano
hinges damaging the fuse paint when removing & installing the lower cowl. A
longer nose wheel slot would have been beneficial to ease all the on/off.
Absolutely don't use Skybolts on the underside of the cowl (IMHO). Just too
much vibration, oil etc. for them to hold up long term. Ask me how I know?
Robin
http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/SjCowl.aspx
Description:
http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/Cowl-Fitting-6.j
pg
Description:
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill.peyton
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
<mailto:peyton.b@sbcglobal.net> peyton.b@sbcglobal.net>
You should read the thread on VAF regarding the installation using the newer
"gray" cowling. It is posted here
<http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=86547&highlight=skyb
olt>
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=86547&highlight=skybo
lt
There are issues with the new cowling that require grinding out around each
one of the fasteners for clearance. In spite of the fact that I went back
to the hinge, I should have made the top edge installation work. Using the
hinges on the sides makes for a much nicer and stronger joint. The hinge
pins remove very easily. Around the top is the area that really sees and
improvement in regards to removing and re-installing the cowling. The top
hinges, due to the curvature, prevent you from lifting directly upwards to
remove the cowl. installing the Skybolt fasteners on the top would be a
great improvement.
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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| Subject: | Re: Flying the US |
Talkeetna, AK is a very cool place to stop on an airplane adventure. It is the
jumping off point for 98% of all McKinley climbs and the airplanes that fly there
are really neat with the ski/wheel combo gear. They also have a great museum.
Stay with Paula at the Northern guest house, uber reasonable and quiet - right
across from the airport. If you get a deal on a base camp glacier landing,
I will be jealous........not the regular glacier landing that they do at 1500
ft - but the base camp landing at 7000 ft!
--------
See you OSH '12
Q/B - flying 2 yrs.
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