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1. 05:45 AM - Re: new site? why different? (jkreidler)
2. 06:33 AM - Re: Re: new site? why different? ()
3. 11:46 AM - Re: VAF.net (John Cox)
4. 02:53 PM - OSH RV-10 HQ (bcondrey)
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| Subject: | Re: new site? why different? |
Not much to add, I just want to point out the luxury any of these lists offer.
I have started on a new project (Skybolt), this design has been around since
the late seventies (when I was starting kindergarten). I recently downloaded
a whole series of newsletters which were published about every month and chronicled
a single builders progress and opinions.
What a world we live in, back then the guys truly building airplanes from scratch
had very little information to work from. They also had very little opportunity
to ask questions of someone who had gone before. Remember this was back
in the days before wireless phones, not to mention cell phones. It was a time
when long distance calls were still a big deal. It was a time when the US mail
was the only way to share a picture across the country, let alone around the
world. By the way, we still communicated around the world using lines laid
on the bottom of the ocean.
All of those barriers are what made Oshkosh (not Airventure) such a valuable tool.
We complain about the content of Sport Aviation from time to time, I just
can't imagine how it must have been to wait with excitement each month to see
the magazine show up so I could read just a bit more on building an airplane.
Now I can get that fix while walking down the hallway on my iPhone if I choose.
Imagine the days before match drilled airplanes, and extraordinarily detailed factory
instructions backed up by a world of advice and opinion at your fingertips.
So take all of the occasional politics on any of these forums, the valid complaints
about censorship, and smile as you move onto the answer to a question you
came to find.
I cannot imagine what thirty years from now will look like for us poor builders
who were only able to communicate through the Internet. Hopefully we are still
able to enjoy this obsession.
Sorry for the editorial.
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Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
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| Subject: | Re: new site? why different? |
Hey Jason,
Well said ... now back to building.
Later, - Lew
do not archive
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Oh the nostalgia of just why so many of us migrated over to support
Matronics (to avoid the censorship and crass "in your face" advertising of
VAF). Tim, How many months ago was it? Most of the truly deep and
entertaining posts like Primer Wars or Which is the Best EFIS screen took
place while VAN held steadfast that the center rib on the RV-10 panel would
block all of those who dared get rid of those beloved Steam Gauges.
I became a Lifetime EAA member well before 2009 and those contincious Board
issues at EAA Headquarters became so PUBLIC. I knew Tom back in the day
when I hired him to do my first Airshow in 1988. The iron reins of Paul
were ever present and yet each year the big Show... not yet called Air
Venture (rights bought from Evergreen International - Oregon) would bring
the most eye popping innovations, dreams and experiments straight out of
the pages of Popular Mechanics. Few here know the thrill of the 1973
Playboy article that introduced Jim Bede and his BD5. I loved watching
Roger Moore (007 or at least his pilot double fly through the hangar). I
hired ( hired the late) Mike Brundage - SWA Captain to fly that BD-5J
microjet at one of the airshows. Lots of names have passed, great memories
recalled.
I would love to see *Warbirds*, *Experimentals* and other* Homebuilts* be
our focus. Corporate Aircraft is rushing to be purchased by Chinese
capital, acquired from the money of Joe Six Pack looking for the cheapest
bargain at Wally World. That said, I still look forward to a Leon's Soft
Custard as the sun sets, hearing the sounds of Steve Miller by starlight
from the grounds of Wittman Field, the smell of Corvus 13 in the air at 3
PM, and learning what is working, what is broken and to bring home a dream
that *Grey Backs* will begin investing in the next generation of dreamers
at a faster rate than in the last two decades. I still wax fondly on the
memory of James McClow or the 6,000 pictures of the build of "The Chunky
Monkey". NONE of that was possible on VAF.
I was once young, I was once a brunette, I was once a dreamer. I was once
a pilot Wannbe. Lets get the Dreamers driving the bus and get the
Commercial Aircraft Tycoons back hauling passengers and corporate officers.
This should be about watching Little Girls and Little Boys dream of what
might yet be, while becoming Young Adults in the World Aviation Community
change the direction in front of the politicos and money mongers.
*Tuesday, June 24th 8:30AM Honda #7* I get to talk with Dick VanGrunsven
/Bob & Ernie of Eagles Nest/Ted Millar of Teen Flight at a Panel Discussion
about such things as Gonad Vents, bright young minds, allocation of federal
educational dollars and Lighting a Fire in the hearts and minds of those
who do not yet drink Corporate Kool-Aid. Where are the Jon Roncz, Brent
Regans and Lance Neibauers of this decade? Alan Klapmeier and Lane Wallace
- we need less marketing hype and more drive to create, to manufacture, TO
FLY. "Damned that Waldo Pepper, I miss you!"
*Bring on EAA AirVenture '2012*.
I am still buying!
Johnny Horizon - still chasing Wind Mills and other such airfoils
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Michael Sausen <michael@sausen.net> wrote:
>
> Ya, the reality is he will never make it a subscriptions site as pilots
> are notoriously cheap. :) If he did that his traffic would drop
> dramatically in favor of something like our list and the advertisers woul
d
> laugh him out of his nice little gig before he could even lower his ad
> rates. He keeps up the donations facade just so people believe that they
> are the reason the site keeps running and he can squeeze out every penny
> from the site. Based on his own numbers he's already made almost 30k thi
s
> year and 50k last year off of just donations. You can bet that anything
to
> do with aviation in his household is written off as a business expense.
I
> don't have a problem with running the site as his job, or collecting
> advertising and donations, I have a problem with his methods and tactics.
> They are very used car salesman like. Of course like everything else I
> post, this is just my opinion.
>
> Seriously, I'm done now! :D
>
> Michael
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:11 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
>
>
> I heard first hand from someone a while back who is a vendor, who was not
> ever allowed to post, and had some issues. It seems that anytime someone
> posted a "Check out my airplane" review where they told about their
> product, that whole thread would be removed, and basically they were late
r
> "shaken down"
> and told that nothing, even positive comments on their products from othe
r
> members, was acceptable to post (even first-hand reviews by happy
> customers), unless you were a paid advertiser.
> The rates for said advertising were surprisingly steep, also.
> I have been told that some of the ads on the main page go for $10,000 (or
> more...that's an old number). It bothers me a bit when you can't write
> something nice about a product you bought that you liked, just because th
e
> vendor hasn't paid.
> Isn't it always good for the list readers to hear positive or negative
> reviews on things?
>
> Beyond that, I'm of the mindset that you either run a site on
> donations/subscriptions, you run it on advertising, or you run it on sale
s,
> but you pick one of the 3.
>
> It's a nice forum, but it would be nicer if it weren't so censored.
> There's no reason to shutdown a thread like that on the EAA, because
> clearly on a web forum style site, the people reading that thread CHOOSE
to
> read it...it's not being forced into their inbox.
> Shouldn't be threatening to anyone...
>
> Tim
> do not archive
>
> On 7/16/2012 2:48 PM, Michael Sausen wrote:
> > Some things never change over there. This is why when he shut down
> > the old Yahoo forums several of us instead decided to put our support
> > behind Matronics which is truly donation supported vs. the high $$
> > revenue he receives from advertisers. He still passes the tin cup
> > around with the =91poor ole me and my little website=92 rhetoric while
> > prohibiting anyone that sells a product from contributing to any
> > discussions without coughing up considerably first. I drew the line
> > when my posts were edited, not deleted, edited to remove any criticism
> > of his censoring practices back during the Yahoo days. I probably
> > wouldn=92t care if he would drop the my site needs your donation BS and
> > just ran it as ad supported like it really is. Glad we were able to
> > keep this group going for open discussion, even if we do get off topic
> > occasionally.
> >
> > Off soapbox :)
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> > *davidsoutpost@comcast.net
> > *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2012 8:09 AM
> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
> >
> > Looks like DR over on the VansAirforce Forum closed out and put the
> > kybash on any talk of the EAA and its current direction classifying it
> > as "politics" which is against forum rules. What a shame considering
> > it is one of the largest EXPIMENTAL aviation forum's and what better
> > avenue to organize the homebuilder base. Its his sandbox though
> > so,,,,,,,,,,,,.
> >
> > David Clifford
> >
> > RV-10 Builder
> > Howell, MI
> >
>
>
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For those that are attending Airventure this year, we've set up in about the same
location as normal: just south of Lindbergh along 54th. You can see the RV-10
HQ signs from either 53rd or 54th and Lindbergh. This is immediately south
of Paul's Park and about a 5 minute walk southeast of Theater in the Woods if
you're looking at the large AirVenture map.
We've again got a "group" area with some picnic tables and shade. This is the
same location as where the dinner Ed Krantz is putting together will be Sunday
night. Feel free to swing by to say hi or just get some respite from the heat.
Susan brought the Bunn coffee maker again and we start making the magic elixer
at 7:30 sharp (as soon as generators can be started). If you're around at
that time of the morning there is plenty.
If you're unfamiliar with the area, easiest way to get here from the main AirVenture
grounds is through the Theater in the Woods gate (also a tram stop). Walk
west (right) on Shaick Ave, turn south (left) on Binder Lane, turn west (right
again) on Lindbergh and go to 54th. Look south and you'll see the RV-10 HQ
sign about 5-6 sites south.
Also a reminder that the RV-10 Pot Luck is Sunday night for builders (and wanna
be builders). Not sure yet if/when there will be other group dinners next week.
Bob
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