---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/11/12: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:24 AM - Nose wheel fairing breaks (Tim Lewis) 2. 07:49 AM - Re: Nose wheel fairing breaks (Michael Kraus) 3. 10:16 AM - Re: Nose wheel fairing breaks (Carl Froehlich) 4. 02:18 PM - Re: Nose wheel fairing breaks (Bill Watson) 5. 03:48 PM - Glassing Window Transition (Les Kearney) 6. 04:38 PM - Re: Glassing Window Transition (Dick & Vicki Sipp) 7. 04:55 PM - Re: Glassing Window Transition (Seano) 8. 07:49 PM - Re: Nose wheel fairing breaks (Don McDonald) 9. 08:38 PM - Re: Nose wheel fairing breaks (Kelly McMullen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:47 AM PST US From: Tim Lewis Subject: RV10-List: Nose wheel fairing breaks After returning home from OSH, I noticed a chunck missing from my RV-10 nose wheel fairing. When flexed, the fairing ripped as shown in this photo: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/93114308/fairing%201.jpg I was surprised at how fragile the fairing was once that rip started. With very little force I could have ripped the whole fairing into two pieces. I patched the missing chunk and rip, then added a few layers of fiberglass and epoxy resin, about 5" wide, to strengthen the entire circumference of the fairing forward of the bulkhead. I also added a 1" wide reinforcement around the opening for the wheel: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/93114308/fairing%202.jpg I recommend builders consider adding reinforcement in this area of the fairing during construction. -- Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA) RV-6A N47TD -- 1104 hrs - sold RV-10 N31TD -- 300 hrs ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nose wheel fairing breaks From: Michael Kraus I believe the instructions tell you to reinforce the opening with 2-3 layers of glass. I reinforced mine with carbon fiber. Might want to double check and make sure you have ample clearance to the wheel. I believe I have 3/4" all around.. -Mine Kraus RV-10 Flying Sent from my iPhone On Aug 11, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Tim Lewis wrote: > > After returning home from OSH, I noticed a chunck missing from my RV-10 nose wheel fairing. When flexed, the fairing ripped as shown in this photo: > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/93114308/fairing%201.jpg > > I was surprised at how fragile the fairing was once that rip started. With very little force I could have ripped the whole fairing into two pieces. > > I patched the missing chunk and rip, then added a few layers of fiberglass and epoxy resin, about 5" wide, to strengthen the entire circumference of the fairing forward of the bulkhead. I also added a 1" wide reinforcement around the opening for the wheel: > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/93114308/fairing%202.jpg > > I recommend builders consider adding reinforcement in this area of the fairing during construction. > > -- > Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA) > RV-6A N47TD -- 1104 hrs - sold > RV-10 N31TD -- 300 hrs > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:10 AM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Nose wheel fairing breaks Yep - mine ripped the same way while wrestling with it on fit up. Put two layers of carbon fiber on the inside, ground out what was left of the crack, filled the void with flox, sanded smooth and then a couple of layers of glass on the outside. Finish with mico. Carl 33.6 hours - first O2 flight earlier today. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nose wheel fairing breaks --> I believe the instructions tell you to reinforce the opening with 2-3 layers of glass. I reinforced mine with carbon fiber. Might want to double check and make sure you have ample clearance to the wheel. I believe I have 3/4" all around.. -Mine Kraus RV-10 Flying Sent from my iPhone On Aug 11, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Tim Lewis wrote: > > After returning home from OSH, I noticed a chunck missing from my RV-10 nose wheel fairing. When flexed, the fairing ripped as shown in this photo: > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/93114308/fairing%201.jpg > > I was surprised at how fragile the fairing was once that rip started. With very little force I could have ripped the whole fairing into two pieces. > > I patched the missing chunk and rip, then added a few layers of fiberglass and epoxy resin, about 5" wide, to strengthen the entire circumference of the fairing forward of the bulkhead. I also added a 1" wide reinforcement around the opening for the wheel: > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/93114308/fairing%202.jpg > > I recommend builders consider adding reinforcement in this area of the fairing during construction. > > -- > Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA) > RV-6A N47TD -- 1104 hrs - sold > RV-10 N31TD -- 300 hrs > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:18:39 PM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nose wheel fairing breaks I didn't reinforce mine. Haven't had any breakage yet operating out of a relatively rough grass strip. I did make it a point to cut them back further than I wanted to... then a bit more. Since I have them off the plane right now, I may try to compare with your pics to see if I can compare them. Reinforcement sounds like a good thing. Bill "finishing up my first condition inspection" Watson On 8/11/2012 10:23 AM, Tim Lewis wrote: > > After returning home from OSH, I noticed a chunck missing from my > RV-10 nose wheel fairing. When flexed, the fairing ripped as shown in > this photo: > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/93114308/fairing%201.jpg > > I was surprised at how fragile the fairing was once that rip started. > With very little force I could have ripped the whole fairing into two > pieces. > > I patched the missing chunk and rip, then added a few layers of > fiberglass and epoxy resin, about 5" wide, to strengthen the entire > circumference of the fairing forward of the bulkhead. I also added a > 1" wide reinforcement around the opening for the wheel: > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/93114308/fairing%202.jpg > > I recommend builders consider adding reinforcement in this area of the > fairing during construction. > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:34 PM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RV10-List: Glassing Window Transition Hi Somewhere recently I read about using fibreglass tape (RC model) to glass over the gap between the canopy and windows. I did a bit of shopping today and was only able to find tape that was of 6 oz weight. For this application I was thinking that a very light cloth would be appropriate. Can one of the f/g experts shine some light on what weight of glass I should use. ACS has 1.45 oz "deck" cloth. Would this be appropriate? How may layers should I use... Inquiring minds need to know. Les #40643 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:58 PM PST US From: "Dick & Vicki Sipp" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Glassing Window Transition Glassing Window TransitionLes, et. al. I commented on the recent post that I had used one layer of the light weight RC fiberglass tape around the windows. I have some minor cracking now with 430 hours. I don=99t think the light tape has much strength and if it touched at all in the sanding filling process it is probably further weakened. The problem with using heavier or more layers of fiberglass is the build up that would be difficult to contour down to the level of the window and then back into the natural curve of the top. I spent a lot of time on this area; it is tricky to get it to look right if one starts building up the area of the seam. $.02 worth. Dick Sipp N110DV 430 hours ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:29 PM PST US From: "Seano" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Glassing Window Transition Glassing Window TransitionI put two layers of thick glass around mine after others had cracking around the windows from using rc glass. It took me a long time to contour mine and ready it for paint. The paint shop I took it to sanded down most of my work and the windows started to show the seams after 50 hours. I took mine back to the paint shop and made them take off the paint and build back up the seams around the windows. They re-sprayed it and now I think it will remain uncracked. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick & Vicki Sipp To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 5:38 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Glassing Window Transition Les, et. al. I commented on the recent post that I had used one layer of the light weight RC fiberglass tape around the windows. I have some minor cracking now with 430 hours. I don=99t think the light tape has much strength and if it touched at all in the sanding filling process it is probably further weakened. The problem with using heavier or more layers of fiberglass is the build up that would be difficult to contour down to the level of the window and then back into the natural curve of the top. I spent a lot of time on this area; it is tricky to get it to look right if one starts building up the area of the seam. $.02 worth. Dick Sipp N110DV 430 hours ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:56 PM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nose wheel fairing breaks One other thing to consider... I think when it comes time to buy new tires, almost all replacements (Goodyear Flt Custom III's for example) are larger than the original Van's supplied tire..... changes the clearance.- Witho ut enough clearance, all you need is a low tire, or a rather big bounce, an d you now have another project.=0ADon McDonald=0A470 Hours and climbing.=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Carl Froehlich =0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, August 1 1, 2012 12:14 PM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Nose wheel fairing breaks=0A n.net>=0A=0AYep - mine ripped the same way while wrestling with it on fit u p.- Put two=0Alayers of carbon fiber on the inside, ground out what was l eft of the crack,=0Afilled the void with flox, sanded smooth and then a cou ple of layers of=0Aglass on the outside.- Finish with mico.=0A=0ACarl=0A3 3.6 hours - first O2 flight earlier today. =0A=0A-----Original Message----- =0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-rv10-list-ser ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus=0ASent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 10:49 AM=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Nose =0A--> =0A=0AI believe the instructions tell yo u to reinforce the opening with 2-3 layers=0Aof glass.- I reinforced mine with carbon fiber.- =0A=0AMight want to double check and make sure you h ave ample clearance to the=0Awheel.- I believe I have 3/4" all around.. =0A=0A-Mine Kraus=0ARV-10 Flying =0A=0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0AOn Aug 11, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Tim Lewis wrote:=0A=0A> --> RV10 -List message posted by: Tim Lewis =0A> =0A> After r eturning home from OSH, I noticed a chunck missing from my RV-10=0Anose whe el fairing.- When flexed, the fairing ripped as shown in this photo:=0A> =0A> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/93114308/fairing%201.jpg=0A> =0A> I was surpr ised at how fragile the fairing was once that rip started.=0AWith very litt le force I could have ripped the whole fairing into two=0Apieces.=0A> =0A> I patched the missing chunk and rip, then added a few layers of fiberglass =0Aand epoxy resin, about 5" wide, to strengthen the entire circumference o f=0Athe fairing forward of the bulkhead.- I also added a 1" wide reinfor cement=0Aaround the opening for the wheel:=0A> =0A> https://dl.dropbox.com/ u/93114308/fairing%202.jpg=0A> =0A> I recommend builders consider adding re inforcement in this area of the=0Afairing during construction.=0A> =0A> -- =0A> Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)=0A> RV-6A N47TD -- 1104 hrs - sold=0A> RV-10 N31TD -- 300 hrs=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ============= ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nose wheel fairing breaks From: Kelly McMullen That can be avoided by not buying the most expensive tire on the market. One can get equal life out of recaps, and they are more likely to meet the standard tire size. Or you can buy Condors if you prefer new, and they will be significantly lighter and slimmer than the FC III, which is the biggest and heaviest tire for a given nominal size you will find on the market. On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Don McDonald wrote: > One other thing to consider... I think when it comes time to buy new tires, > almost all replacements (Goodyear Flt Custom III's for example) are larger > than the original Van's supplied tire..... changes the clearance. Without > enough clearance, all you need is a low tire, or a rather big bounce, and > you now have another project. > Don McDonald > 470 Hours and climbing. > > From: Carl Froehlich > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 12:14 PM > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Nose wheel fairing breaks > > > > Yep - mine ripped the same way while wrestling with it on fit up. Put two > layers of carbon fiber on the inside, ground out what was left of the crack, > filled the void with flox, sanded smooth and then a couple of layers of > glass on the outside. Finish with mico. > > Carl > 33.6 hours - first O2 flight earlier today. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 10:49 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nose wheel fairing breaks > > --> > > I believe the instructions tell you to reinforce the opening with 2-3 layers > of glass. I reinforced mine with carbon fiber. > > Might want to double check and make sure you have ample clearance to the > wheel. I believe I have 3/4" all around.. > > -Mine Kraus > RV-10 Flying > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 11, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Tim Lewis wrote: > >> >> After returning home from OSH, I noticed a chunck missing from my RV-10 > nose wheel fairing. When flexed, the fairing ripped as shown in this photo: >> >> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/93114308/fairing%201.jpg >> >> I was surprised at how fragile the fairing was once that rip started. > With very little force I could have ripped the whole fairing into two > pieces. >> >> I patched the missing chunk and rip, then added a few layers of fiberglass > and epoxy resin, about 5" wide, to strengthen the entire circumference of > the fairing forward of the bulkhead. I also added a 1" wide reinforcement > around the opening for the wheel: >> >> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/93114308/fairing%202.jpg >> >> I recommend builders consider adding reinforcement in this area of the > fairing during construction. >> >> -- >> Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA) >> RV-6A N47TD -- 1104 hrs - sold >> RV-10 N31TD -- 300 hrs >> >> >> >> >> > > t" - List Contribution Web Site - > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.