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1. 04:17 AM - Re: Re: Alternator to Starter Fixing Bracket (Patrick Pulis)
2. 07:41 AM - Re: Glassing Window Transition (tsts4)
3. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: Glassing Window Transition (Seano)
4. 08:09 AM - Re: Re: Glassing Window Transition ()
5. 08:24 AM - Re: Re: Glassing Window Transition (Kelly McMullen)
6. 08:28 AM - Re: Re: Glassing Window Transition (Phillip Perry)
7. 08:34 AM - Fuel tank selector knob (Lew Gallagher)
8. 08:42 AM - Re: Fuel tank selector knob (Phillip Perry)
9. 08:44 AM - Re: Fuel tank selector knob (Rene Felker)
10. 08:51 AM - Re: Fuel tank selector knob (Tim Olson)
11. 09:03 AM - Re: Fuel tank selector knob (AirMike)
12. 09:03 AM - Re: Re: Glassing Window Transition (Les Kearney)
13. 09:05 AM - Re: Glassing Window Transition (tsts4)
14. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank selector knob (Kelly McMullen)
15. 09:35 AM - Re: Fuel tank selector knob (Bill Watson)
16. 09:43 AM - Re: Fuel tank selector knob (Robin Marks)
17. 11:04 AM - Re: Alternator to Starter Fixing Bracket (woxofswa)
18. 12:07 PM - Re: Fuel tank selector knob (Bob Turner)
19. 12:37 PM - Re: Re: Alternator to Starter Fixing Bracket (Patrick Pulis)
20. 02:05 PM - EAA - Proxy Update 2012 (Phillip Perry)
21. 05:23 PM - Re: EAA - Proxy Update 2012 (tsts4)
22. 09:54 PM - Re: EAA - Proxy Update 2012 (Rick Beebe)
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator to Starter Fixing Bracket |
Myron, I managed to modify the Plane Power bracket to fit to the B&C starter, now
that's all done, on to the next step, fitting the propeller governor in the
correct orientation and completing the baffling.
Onwards and upwards!
Warm regards
Patrick
On 12/08/2012, at 11:06 PM, "woxofswa" <woxof@aol.com> wrote:
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> To be honest, I don't see what that cross bracket accomplishes. Both connecting
points are already affixed to the engine case, either directly in the case
of the starter or by the U-bracket in the case of the alternator. I guess it
adds a bit of lateral strain relief on the alternator bracket, but of that bracket
weren't beefy enough for that job, you'd be in trouble regardless.
>
> I have it because it all fits, but I'm wondering if that cross brace is even
necessary. What am I missing?[/b]
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> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing
kit in progress.
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| Subject: | Re: Glassing Window Transition |
Anyone have pics or video of the glassing process? What I'm trying to figure out
is the mechanics of the glass strips. Is each layer cut in one piece to conform
to the window's shape or multiple strips that are butted together until the
entire gap is covered?
--------
Todd Stovall
aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace
728TT
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing
www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
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| Subject: | Re: Glassing Window Transition |
Probably a better way than how I did it but I overlapped so there were two
layers and the seams were offset.
----- Original Message -----
From: "tsts4" <tsts4@verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 8:40 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Glassing Window Transition
>
> Anyone have pics or video of the glassing process? What I'm trying to
> figure out is the mechanics of the glass strips. Is each layer cut in one
> piece to conform to the window's shape or multiple strips that are butted
> together until the entire gap is covered?
>
> --------
> Todd Stovall
> aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace
> 728TT
> RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing
> www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Glassing Window Transition |
Hey Todd, et al,
I think I've still got pictures, but not on this computer. This discussion
has been posted in the past, here goes again. What I've done is to use a
right angle air die grinder with a 2" sanding pad to grind out a slight
shallow in the plexi and fiberglass overlapping the joint (after the plexi
is glued in). Maybe 3/4" wide, 1/16" deep. Think edge of sheetrock that
is tapered so that you can mud in tape and be flush when sanded. I glass in
cloth (don't know what thickness, just whatever I've used for everything
else from West Systems!) in this shallow, butting around corners, at full
strength, then finish it out with micro balloon slurry, sand flush (doesn't
get into cloth) ... done. Three years flying and no cracks.
Later, - Lew
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| Subject: | Re: Glassing Window Transition |
Has anyone gone with the formed aluminum retainer strip like many
certified aircraft have? I recall seeing it on a website but can't find
it now.
On 8/13/2012 8:10 AM, lewgall@charter.net wrote:
>
> Hey Todd, et al,
>
> I think I've still got pictures, but not on this computer. This
> discussion has been posted in the past, here goes again. What I've
> done is to use a right angle air die grinder with a 2" sanding pad to
> grind out a slight shallow in the plexi and fiberglass overlapping the
> joint (after the plexi is glued in). Maybe 3/4" wide, 1/16" deep.
> Think edge of sheetrock that is tapered so that you can mud in tape
> and be flush when sanded. I glass in cloth (don't know what
> thickness, just whatever I've used for everything else from West
> Systems!) in this shallow, butting around corners, at full strength,
> then finish it out with micro balloon slurry, sand flush (doesn't get
> into cloth) ... done. Three years flying and no cracks.
>
> Later, - Lew
>
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| Subject: | Re: Glassing Window Transition |
Todd,
I'm probably going to be doing a couple of my windows this week. If I can
find a spare set of hands, I might try and shoot a video of it.
What I am doing is butting 8oz strips of cloth together all the way
around. Then I'm laying some lightweight 3oz cloth over the joints and on
to the window assist with the transition between the 8oz and the window
itself.
I'm also putting some peel-ply on top of that to keep the fabric edges
laying down smoothly.
Phil
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Seano <sean@braunandco.com> wrote:
>
> Probably a better way than how I did it but I overlapped so there were two
> layers and the seams were offset.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "tsts4" <tsts4@verizon.net>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 8:40 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Glassing Window Transition
>
>
>>
>> Anyone have pics or video of the glassing process? What I'm trying to
>> figure out is the mechanics of the glass strips. Is each layer cut in one
>> piece to conform to the window's shape or multiple strips that are butted
>> together until the entire gap is covered?
>>
>> --------
>> Todd Stovall
>> aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace
>> 728TT
>> RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing
>> www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/**viewtopic.php?p=380827#380827<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380827#380827>
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| Subject: | Fuel tank selector knob |
Hey guys,
Here's one that happened this weekend that gives me great pause. Wes came in after
flying and when he shut down, he turned his selector to off and it just spun
around on the shaft of the valve. This is the original Van's selector valve
with an aftermarket knob. The red one shaped like an arrow. The original
knob fits only one way, formed to the flat on the shaft. The aftermarket one
has a set screw that can be installed either in the point of the knob, or in the
heel, to give you an option on orientation.
Apparently the set screw loosened to the point that the knob just spins on the
shaft. If one happened to run the selected tank all the way out before switching
over (not good practice, but COULD happen), then the knob spun ... not good
to say the least!
I've tightened the set screw, then run a lock set screw in behind it so that should
take care of it. But I thought I'd send out a heads up. One little, very
important set screw.
Later, - Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Fly off completed !
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380833#380833
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank selector knob |
Check this out:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=79894
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Lew Gallagher <lewgall@charter.net> wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Here's one that happened this weekend that gives me great pause. Wes came
> in after flying and when he shut down, he turned his selector to off and it
> just spun around on the shaft of the valve. This is the original Van's
> selector valve with an aftermarket knob. The red one shaped like an arrow.
> The original knob fits only one way, formed to the flat on the shaft. The
> aftermarket one has a set screw that can be installed either in the point
> of the knob, or in the heel, to give you an option on orientation.
>
> Apparently the set screw loosened to the point that the knob just spins on
> the shaft. If one happened to run the selected tank all the way out before
> switching over (not good practice, but COULD happen), then the knob spun
> ... not good to say the least!
>
> I've tightened the set screw, then run a lock set screw in behind it so
> that should take care of it. But I thought I'd send out a heads up. One
> little, very important set screw.
>
> Later, - Lew
>
> --------
> non-pilot
> crazy about building
> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> Fly off completed !
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380833#380833
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| Subject: | Fuel tank selector knob |
The red "after market" one I got from Vans has the same slot as the
original....no set screw. Another thing Vans got right... :)
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 9:34 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel tank selector knob
Hey guys,
Here's one that happened this weekend that gives me great pause. Wes came
in after flying and when he shut down, he turned his selector to off and it
just spun around on the shaft of the valve. This is the original Van's
selector valve with an aftermarket knob. The red one shaped like an arrow.
The original knob fits only one way, formed to the flat on the shaft. The
aftermarket one has a set screw that can be installed either in the point of
the knob, or in the heel, to give you an option on orientation.
Apparently the set screw loosened to the point that the knob just spins on
the shaft. If one happened to run the selected tank all the way out before
switching over (not good practice, but COULD happen), then the knob spun ...
not good to say the least!
I've tightened the set screw, then run a lock set screw in behind it so that
should take care of it. But I thought I'd send out a heads up. One little,
very important set screw.
Later, - Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Fly off completed !
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380833#380833
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank selector knob |
"HONEY, REACH BACK BEHIND THE REAR SEATS AND GRAB ME A PLIERS....QUICK!!!!!"
I'm just happy to have the Andair valve...
do not archive
Tim
On 8/13/2012 10:33 AM, Lew Gallagher wrote:
> <lewgall@charter.net>
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Here's one that happened this weekend that gives me great pause. Wes
> came in after flying and when he shut down, he turned his selector to
> off and it just spun around on the shaft of the valve. This is the
> original Van's selector valve with an aftermarket knob. The red one
> shaped like an arrow. The original knob fits only one way, formed to
> the flat on the shaft. The aftermarket one has a set screw that can
> be installed either in the point of the knob, or in the heel, to give
> you an option on orientation.
>
> Apparently the set screw loosened to the point that the knob just
> spins on the shaft. If one happened to run the selected tank all the
> way out before switching over (not good practice, but COULD happen),
> then the knob spun ... not good to say the least!
>
> I've tightened the set screw, then run a lock set screw in behind it
> so that should take care of it. But I thought I'd send out a heads
> up. One little, very important set screw.
>
> Later, - Lew
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank selector knob |
Everyone bags on the cheap Vans handle, but it works. I ground off the little pimple
at the fastening end - confusing! K.I.S.S.
--------
See you OSH '12
Q/B - flying 2 yrs.
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| Subject: | Re: Glassing Window Transition |
Hi Kelley
Here is the link. http://www.mlblueskunk.com/News.html
It says only 3 have been done so far.
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
On 2012-08-13, at 9:23 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
> Has anyone gone with the formed aluminum retainer strip like many certified aircraft
have? I recall seeing it on a website but can't find it now.
>
> On 8/13/2012 8:10 AM, lewgall@charter.net wrote:
>>
>> Hey Todd, et al,
>>
>> I think I've still got pictures, but not on this computer. This discussion
has been posted in the past, here goes again. What I've done is to use a right
angle air die grinder with a 2" sanding pad to grind out a slight shallow in
the plexi and fiberglass overlapping the joint (after the plexi is glued in).
Maybe 3/4" wide, 1/16" deep. Think edge of sheetrock that is tapered so that
you can mud in tape and be flush when sanded. I glass in cloth (don't know what
thickness, just whatever I've used for everything else from West Systems!)
in this shallow, butting around corners, at full strength, then finish it out
with micro balloon slurry, sand flush (doesn't get into cloth) ... done. Three
years flying and no cracks.
>>
>> Later, - Lew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Glassing Window Transition |
I've attached a crude graphic to illustrate for visual learners like me what I
'm trying to figure out. The window shape is the black rectangle, the colored
lines rep individual tapes butted together at the corners and the gray is a single
ring of tape cut to the window's shape in lieu of using individual pieces.
Seems like based on the answers so far (and my own very limited fiberglass experience)
that the individual tapes are the way to go, but I'm open to suggestions.
--------
Todd Stovall
aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace
728TT
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing
www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank selector knob |
At the time I decided to go with Andair there had been several reports
of Van's valve failing in around 300 hours. I only have to think of John
Denver to know I want a dependable valve.
On 8/13/2012 9:00 AM, AirMike wrote:
>
> Everyone bags on the cheap Vans handle, but it works. I ground off the little
pimple at the fastening end - confusing! K.I.S.S.
>
> --------
> See you OSH '12
> Q/B - flying 2 yrs.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380841#380841
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank selector knob |
Yes, the Andair is a fine piece of equipment. Not only does the knob
key properly, but the asymmetrical mounting screw pattern insures that
the unit is installed (and re-installed) correctly. Having just opened
and closed up the tunnel for the condition inspection, I was reminded
how nice a feature that is.
It's a bit pricey but nice.
Bill "relaxing after first flight following first condition inspection"
Watson
On 8/13/2012 11:50 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> "HONEY, REACH BACK BEHIND THE REAR SEATS AND GRAB ME A
> PLIERS....QUICK!!!!!"
>
> I'm just happy to have the Andair valve...
>
> do not archive
> Tim
>
> On 8/13/2012 10:33 AM, Lew Gallagher wrote:
>> <lewgall@charter.net>
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> Here's one that happened this weekend that gives me great pause. Wes
>> came in after flying and when he shut down, he turned his selector to
>> off and it just spun around on the shaft of the valve. This is the
>> original Van's selector valve with an aftermarket knob. The red one
>> shaped like an arrow. The original knob fits only one way, formed to
>> the flat on the shaft. The aftermarket one has a set screw that can
>> be installed either in the point of the knob, or in the heel, to give
>> you an option on orientation.
>>
>> Apparently the set screw loosened to the point that the knob just
>> spins on the shaft. If one happened to run the selected tank all the
>> way out before switching over (not good practice, but COULD happen),
>> then the knob spun ... not good to say the least!
>>
>> I've tightened the set screw, then run a lock set screw in behind it
>> so that should take care of it. But I thought I'd send out a heads
>> up. One little, very important set screw.
>>
>> Later, - Lew
>>
>
>
> -----
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| Subject: | Fuel tank selector knob |
I had 2 RV's with standard valves and consistently smelled fuel on my hands after
switching tanks. Replaced both with Andair fuel valves and never had a problem
again. Then we built a 10 & an 8A went directly to the Andair fuel valve.
Will not own an RV without one.
If you can minimize Fuel & WX issues you have a much better chance of becoming
one of those old pilots hanging around the airport lying about your aviation exploits.
The Andair valve gives me some added peace of mind.
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator to Starter Fixing Bracket |
Pat,
I'm pretty much right with you only I'm dealing with A/C install issues as well.
Didn't Barrett do your engine? I think I saw it on the bench when I toured
their facility. Small world.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing
kit in progress.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380853#380853
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank selector knob |
For newer builders:
RV-10 kits sold after about April 2008 have a different fuel selector handle design,
"pull up then turn". These have thru bolts, no set screws.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator to Starter Fixing Bracket |
I hope that the A/C install goes well for you Myron.
Yes that was my engine you saw at Barretts. Rhonda, Allen and the entire Barrrett
team bent over backwards to help me out. They did an excellent job and the
engine looks great, thanks to their advice and that of Robin Marks.
Warm regards
Patrick
On 14/08/2012, at 3:32 AM, "woxofswa" <woxof@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Pat,
>
> I'm pretty much right with you only I'm dealing with A/C install issues as well.
Didn't Barrett do your engine? I think I saw it on the bench when I toured
their facility. Small world.
>
> --------
> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing
kit in progress.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380853#380853
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | EAA - Proxy Update 2012 |
My apologies for the late re-cap of the proxy effort at AirVenture. The
day after we got back to Houston, my wife had a family member pass away and
that forced us across the country and took another week out of our schedule
.
For those who aren't aware, prior to AirVenture 2012 a number of EAA
members asked to participate in the election process for the EAA's 5 open
board of director positions. For more than a month, a number of us reached
out to the EAA asking for ballots and proxy forms that would allow a member
to represent them at the annual meeting. For more than a month, the
response from the EAA was dead silence and we felt that we were being
blocked from having broad members participation.
The current voting process requires EAA members to show up at the meeting
in Oshkosh to cast their personal vote. Clearly this isn't a practical
option for the membership because it excludes the majority of the people
from the process. The only other alternative that the EAA offers is for
you to assign your proxy vote to the EAA Leadership team (Hightower,
Andrew, Gurley) and let them cast their votes on your behalf.
Out of frustration, an EAA member in Georgia copied the form that assigns
your vote to the EAA leadership team and changed the name for proxy
assignment to me. He used the EAA language and we submitted those forms at
the meeting. The EAA accepted our form and mentioned during the meeting
this was the first time they have received proxy forms and that it would
take a few days to finalize the election. In just over 2 weeks of effort,
we collected 440 proxy votes (2 were later kicked out after review).
As I mentioned, the 2012 election was for 5 director seats. There were 9
candidates for these positions (5 Incumbents and 4 Challengers). Instead
of casting 5 votes, we only cast 4 votes for challengers. Knowing that we
didn't have enough proxy forms to sway the election, we felt like this
approach was the most reasonable way to express our disapproval with the
current leadership of EAA. Another reason we left our 5th vote open was to
call-out the lack of transparency that the EAA harbors. This lack of
transparency doesn't allow us to determine which directors are potentially
supportive or opposed to member rights. During the election, the EAA voted
to keep their 5 incumbent directors and the 4 challengers (our vote) were
sent home.
During AirVenture I met with 4 board members including an hour meeting with
Louis Andrew (VP of EAA, Chairman of the Board, Chairman of the Executive
Committee). Before we left, I made sure they understood how we got here,
what we want (direct elections by the membership), and why we are voting
the way we are voting.
As a side note, Louis Andrew has since resigned from his position. I don't
know if it's related to turmoil we've created or not, and I'm not going to
speculate either way. It really doesn't matter because our goal is to be
able to elect our leaders and not run any particular person out of town.
The business meeting itself was very spirited but respectful. It was
recorded by EAA Video and EAA Radio, but those recordings are not being
released to the public. In past years, this meeting was attended by 15-20
people and those were typically family members of each candidate. This
year there were ~200 very engaged members sitting in the audience. Thank
you!
There was a 30 minute period where the microphone was opened to the public
and the open-mic time was eventually extended to ~45 minutes. The speakers
did a great job of making their point and one of the greatest things about
the them was their diversity. I spoke on member rights and direct
election, and there were other speakers from the volunteer community,
AirVenture cup, Vintage, Young Eagles, Chapter Presidents, Homebuilders,
etc. It wasn't any specific group that spoke more than any other. The
profile of dissatisfied EAA members can be painted with a very broad brush
and the broad dissatisfaction added incremental credibility to our newly
formed proxy effort.
As each speaker brought up their specific issues, they checked off a long
list of problem areas for the EAA. There were complaints focused on the
pay-to-play chalets, pay-to-play magazine articles, concerns about lack of
focus from the leadership, references to a lack of trust and
accountability, mentions of hypocrisy between EAA=92s words compared to the
ir
actions, the willingness to sell the organization's soul in an attempt to
make a dollar, etc. The list was very long and most of the speakers put
their payload on target.
Following the 2012 business meeting, we began loosely characterizing the
movement under the name Members 4 Members. Since we're only a couple of
weeks in to the new year, we're taking our time getting our act together.
This year we are working to improve on our own organization, tighter
messaging, and reducing the appearance of being a rogue group of members.
Since we only had two short weeks to get together a reasonable number of
proxy forms before the 2012 meeting, it was easy to give the appearance of
being a half-cocked effort. That won't be the case this year as we are
very clearly defining what this movement is about and what our goals are.
1) We believe the Experimental Aircraft Association exist for the benefit
of its members.
2) We believe the members should be able to choose their EAA Directors by
direct vote, and independently audited proxy votes held by EAA management.
3) We believe transparency from the leadership builds a better organization
for the membership.
One of the things I should be clear about is that we aren't targeting any
specific issue or person within EAA. There are no lack of opportunities
for improvement within EAA, but our belief is that they're all symptoms of
a greater problem at the highest level of the organization; the Board of
Directors. One of two things is occurring, 1) the Board endorses the
direction that EAA has taken or 2) they are not holding those below them
accountable for their actions. Either way it reflects poorly on the Board
for those of us who disagree with the direction and state of EAA.
We, as members of the EAA, would like to hold the directors accountable for
their decisions and the only way we can do that is to have the opportunity
to vote for them or against them. The organizations Board of Director
positions shouldn't be a safe haven from accountability.
*For the record, here is the exact language of the EAA By-Laws:*
SECTION IV. *Voting by Members*. Each member 18 years of age and older
shall have one vote on all matters properly brought before the membership,
except that, with respect to each family participating in a Family
Membership Program, only the husband and wife shall be voting members.
*In addition here is what is stated on the EAA's earning submission to the
Internal Revenue Service:*
MEMBERS OF THE EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT ASSOCIATION, INC *CAN VOTE
DIRECTLY*FOR BOARD OF DIRECTORS CANDIDATES. THE MAJORITY OF THE
MEMBERSHIP CHOOSES
TO GIVE A PROXY FOR THEIR VOTE TO OTHER PERSONS.
This goes to prove that what we are asking for is not unreasonable or
outrageous. In fact, it's a right that is granted to every member of the
organization but the EAA is not making this right available to the
membership. Today EAA members who can not attend the annual meeting in
person are being discriminated against because their voice is being muted
by the EAA's election process. In the case of this year it excluded more
than 100,000 eligible members from directly voting for their board members.
As we continue to organize for 2013, we have already started collecting
proxy forms for next year's election. The proxy can be downloaded
here<https://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/2013%20Proxy%20Statement%20-%20Versi
on2.pdf>.
In order to win this election, we are going to need everyone to spend the
next year reaching out to their friends for their proxies too. If we could
get 10-20 proxy submissions per person, we will be in a relatively good
position.
We have setup a few places for EAA members to communicate.
1) We have setup a blog for dissemination of information to the membership.
http://members4members.blogspot.com
2) We have setup an E-mail group on Yahoo. This group was setup about a
week ago and we're still picking up members on to it.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/m4m/
3) We have setup a facebook group and have ~600 members on it.
http://www.facebook.com/groups/members4members
4) We have setup a twitter account:
@Members4Members
5) We will be setting up a website sometime soon at:
http://www.members4members.org
Last year, the EAA members did a really nice job of getting the word out on
short notice. If you're one of those folks who passed the message on, I'd
like to say thanks and encourage you to pass this one along too. There are
a number of people looking for updates on what occurred and information on
how they can participate again in 2013; so please share this message.
All in all, we had a really good effort in 2012 and accomplished all of our
goals. It's up to each of us to have a great 2013 and that starts with
each of us taking on the responsibility of collecting proxy forms from our
friends and peer members.
I am hoping that you'll join in the effort for 2013.
Thanks,
Phil
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 11:33 AM, AirMike <Mikeabel@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> I am waiting for the follow up post from Phill. Kuddos for your effort. I
> regret that I did not get my proxy to you, I will do better next year wit
h
> a bunch of proxys. This is an important effort. EAA is an awesome
> organization, but it must be governed from the grass roots. Paul & Tom di
d
> a pretty good job and R.H. obviously wants to put his stamp on the
> operation, provided that it is not stamping on our fingers. Lets keep the
> pressure up and it will have an effect. R.H. and the board need to know
> where their power derives from!
>
> AOPA is hopeless, but EAA is a different bird, and we can direct it's
> course.
>
> --------
> See you OSH '12
> Q/B - flying 2 yrs.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380751#380751
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No worries Phil!
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A couple comments. I've trimmed away everything I'm not commenting on.
Don't read anything good or bad into what I've taken away.
On 8/13/2012 5:03 PM, Phillip Perry wrote:
> My apologies for the late re-cap of the proxy effort at AirVenture.
> The day after we got back to Houston, my wife had a family member
> pass away and that forced us across the country and took another
> week out of our schedule.
My condolences. Always a difficult event to deal with.
> The EAA accepted our form and mentioned during the meeting this was
> the first time they have received proxy forms and that it would take
> a few days to finalize the election. In just over 2 weeks of
> effort, we collected 440 proxy votes (2 were later kicked out after
> review).
Actually it was the first time they'd received that many proxy forms.
They have received them in the past. Since the process is still manual,
a huge number would obviously create a large problem or a very long
meeting. And they do need to be validated to prove they're from EAA
members in good standing. A better procedure would be to allow the
proxies to be submitted several days in advance so they could be counted
and validated. Even better, as we discussed, would be electronic proxies.
> As a side note, Louis Andrew has since resigned from his position.
> I don't know if it's related to turmoil we've created or not, and
> I'm not going to speculate either way. It really doesn't matter
> because our goal is to be able to elect our leaders and not run any
> particular person out of town.
It was not. He tried to retire a year ago and we convinced him to stay
to continue helping with the leadership transition. He agreed but told
us then that he would retire after this AirVenture.
> 1) We believe the Experimental Aircraft Association exist for the
> benefit of its members.
>
> 2) We believe the members should be able to choose their EAA
> Directors by direct vote, and independently audited proxy votes held
> by EAA management.
Agreed although the exact mechanism still needs to be figured out.
> 3) We believe transparency from the leadership builds a better
> organization for the membership.
Improved communications is one of the things called out in the strategic
plan. Note that communication is a long-standing problem that certainly
predates the current leadership.
> One of the things I should be clear about is that we aren't
> targeting any specific issue or person within EAA. There are no lack
> of opportunities for improvement within EAA, but our belief is that
> they're all symptoms of a greater problem at the highest level of
> the organization; the Board of Directors. One of two things is
> occurring, 1) the Board endorses the direction that EAA has taken or
> 2) they are not holding those below them accountable for their
> actions. Either way it reflects poorly on the Board for those of us
> who disagree with the direction and state of EAA.
I asked this previously but so far no one has been able to articulate
clearly to me exactly WHAT these greater problems are or what
"direction" should EAA be going? Vague statements such as EAA has
forgotten its roots are almost meaningless. EAAs roots were tube and
fabric aircraft. How many of our 170,000 members find that interesting?
I can say that other than the chalets there are not really any actions
that management has taken that I feel they need to be taken to the
woodshed over.
> We, as members of the EAA, would like to hold the directors
> accountable for their decisions and the only way we can do that is
> to have the opportunity to vote for them or against them. The
> organizations Board of Director positions shouldn't be a safe haven
> from accountability.
You do realize that Board members are volunteers, right? I spend a fair
amount of my own time and money attending meetings and deciphering
financial documents and proposed program presentations. The point is
that the people on the Board care deeply about EAA, its direction and
its welfare. We cover all areas of aviation and come from a wide variety
of backgrounds.
But as you know I'm not opposed to revamping the election process. I
also believe the board nomination process needs help too. As a member, I
want to know that board candidates are qualified to make sure EAA stays
a vibrant, interesting, useful and financially sound organization.
--Rick
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