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1. 04:44 AM - Re: Matco nose wheel tire and tube (Rick Lark)
2. 05:02 AM - Re: Matco nose wheel tire and tube (rv10flyer)
3. 05:15 AM - Re: Matco nose wheel tire and tube (egodfrey@ameritech.net)
4. 05:36 AM - Re: Re: Matco nose wheel tire and tube (Kelly McMullen)
5. 08:06 AM - Re: Matco nose wheel tire and tube (rv10flyer)
6. 02:42 PM - Re: Re: Matco nose wheel tire and tube (Kelly McMullen)
7. 07:02 PM - Re: Re: Matco nose wheel tire and tube (Rick Lark)
8. 07:05 PM - Re: Re: Matco nose wheel tire and tube (Rick Lark)
9. 09:29 PM - Re: Re: Matco nose wheel tire and tube (Kelly McMullen)
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| Subject: | Re: Matco nose wheel tire and tube |
Kelly excellent summary!
You have made my last couple of decisions required for the finish kit much
easier.
Thx for all your help.
Rick
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From: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco nose wheel tire and tube
>
> I got what Tim Olsen recommended on his web site.
> "The PROPER Wheel is the NW511.25. Yes, that is right...they sell you the
> WRONG wheel, on purpose, to save them headaches. You can just order the
> WHLNW511.25 from Matco and skip the other one in your kit...and buy the
> Matco Axle at the same time, because the standard Van's axle is going to
> cause you headaches in the long run too. Then, skip the tube that comes
> with the kit too....get your tubes for all tires from Desser Tire. What
> you want for the front is the 500-5 "Leakguard" Butyl Tube with the TR-67
> Valve
> <http://www.desser.com/store/products/500%252d5-%22LEAKGUARD%22-BUTYL-TUBE--%28TR%252d67-VALVE%29.html>.
> So with your new nosewheel, new leakguard tube, and new axle, your
> nosewheel will be complete and give you hundreds of hours of trouble free
> service.
>
> Now for the mains... Personally, especially after switching to the Desser
> Leakguard tube for the mains (15/600-6 size), I haven't had interference
> issues on the mains. However, I've heard from a couple builders who
> have...the valve cap comes dangerously close to the cotter pin on the nut
> used to hold the wheel on. Although I've only used the Van's tube, and
> the Desser Leakguard tubes, I think the clearance was better with the
> Leakguards. But, there is a better way. What you want is the Desser
> 15/600-6 "Leakguard" Butyl Tube with the "New Easy Valve"
> <http://www.desser.com/store/products/15%7B47%7D600%252d6-%22LEAKGUARD%22-BUTYL-TUBE-%28NEW-EASY-FLATE-VALVE%29.html>.
> Once you switch to the Leakguards, you'll be adding air far less often,
> and the "New Easy Valve" will eliminate any possibility of interference
> issues for you. So skip the tubes on your kit order also. Personally,
> I've also found that the Desser 15/600-6 "High Performance Retreads"
> <http://www.desser.com/store/products/15%7B47%7D600%252d6-6-PLY-HIGH-PERFORMANCE-RETREAD-AIRCRAFT-TIRE.html>
> gave better tire life at a low cost, too, so if it were me building again,
> I'd skip ordering ALL the tires and tubes from Van's, and just order all
> of them from Desser. The nose tire is the "500-5 6-Ply Aero Classic
> Vintage"
> <http://www.desser.com/store/products/500%252d5-6-PLY-AERO-CLASSIC-VINTAGE-AIRCRAFT-TIRE.html>
> tire. Then you'll get all 3 tubes, and 3 tires, from Desser
> <http://www.desser.com>, and the nose axle and wheel from Matco
> <http://www.matcomfg.com/>. The only thing to get from Van's is the
> Cleveland main wheels themselves."
> So credit Tim with doing the research. The only thing I did different is
> to get both main and nose tires as retreads.
>
>
> On 9/4/2012 8:35 PM, Rick Lark wrote:
>> Hey Kelley McMullen
>> I believe that you had a definite opinion on the Matco nose wheel verse
>> the Beringer. Do you know what Dresser tire and tube combination the
>> Matco wheel needs?
>> Regards,
>> Rick
>> #40956
>> Southampton, Ont
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| Subject: | Re: Matco nose wheel tire and tube |
I originally ordered Van's wheels, tires, tubes. Here is what I found out after
going through it all and now flying for 76.9 hrs.
The Leak stop tubes from Van's hold air just fine. Aired up once in 9 months.
Van's main tube stems clear just fine. I ordered the new improved main tubes from
Desser and they will clear even better once installed.
Van's nose tube valve stem is supposed to exit in center of wheel at splitline.
The orig wheel had one half notched out for valve stem. I ordered the "recommended"
part# which had the other half notched. Yes, it provided more nose fork-stem
clearance but the rigid valve stem needed to exit in the center at splitline.
So, my recommendation is to just modify the orig Van's wheel half to provide
stem clearance and save your money and Matco's time.
Van's tires are 1/4"-3/8" out of round. Don't even attempt to static balance an
out of round tire. If you have had vibrations in a car after the tire shop said
they balanced your tires then that was probably the reason. Your aircraft tires
rotate twice the rpm and with 3/8" run out is part of the reason some of
us have gear vibration problems. When I am heavy, I have much reduced or no resonance.
So, I would recommend not purchasing Van's supplied main tires or main tubes. Also
purchase Matco Axle.
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Wayne Gillispie
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Matco nose wheel tire and tube |
Rick,
Thanks for the reply. I see that Kelly replied to you and that was
great information. I have my finishing kit and am working on the doors &
cabin top. It is all of the fun that they say it is.
Ed
40717
On 9/4/2012 10:35 PM, Rick Lark wrote:
> Hey Kelley McMullen
> I believe that you had a definite opinion on the Matco nose wheel
> verse the Beringer. Do you know what Dresser tire and tube
> combination the Matco wheel needs?
> Regards,
> Rick
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
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| Subject: | Re: Matco nose wheel tire and tube |
If you make the choices before ordering, there is no difference in cost.
Matco charges the same for both what Van's sells and the correct Matco
wheel for the tire size. The wheel Van's supplies is intended for a
different size tire. The Matco axle gets rid of the issue of having nose
axle torque being critical and potential for axle/spacers galling the
nose fork.
Valve stem clearance is just an extra bonus.
On 9/5/2012 5:02 AM, rv10flyer wrote:
>
> I originally ordered Van's wheels, tires, tubes. Here is what I found out after
going through it all and now flying for 76.9 hrs.
>
> The Leak stop tubes from Van's hold air just fine. Aired up once in 9 months.
>
> Van's main tube stems clear just fine. I ordered the new improved main tubes
from Desser and they will clear even better once installed.
>
> Van's nose tube valve stem is supposed to exit in center of wheel at splitline.
The orig wheel had one half notched out for valve stem. I ordered the "recommended"
part# which had the other half notched. Yes, it provided more nose fork-stem
clearance but the rigid valve stem needed to exit in the center at splitline.
So, my recommendation is to just modify the orig Van's wheel half to provide
stem clearance and save your money and Matco's time.
>
> Van's tires are 1/4"-3/8" out of round. Don't even attempt to static balance
an out of round tire. If you have had vibrations in a car after the tire shop
said they balanced your tires then that was probably the reason. Your aircraft
tires rotate twice the rpm and with 3/8" run out is part of the reason some of
us have gear vibration problems. When I am heavy, I have much reduced or no
resonance.
>
> So, I would recommend not purchasing Van's supplied main tires or main tubes.
Also purchase Matco Axle.
>
> --------
> Wayne Gillispie
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382433#382433
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Matco nose wheel tire and tube |
I had Van's supplied nose wheel and the one many recommended on here and vaf. The
only difference was which half had the machined slot for the brass valve stem.
The valve stem on the tube exits from the centerline, not off to the side.
Either wheel part# needs to be modified. If you order from Matco, I would think
they will charge shipping. So, the reason I recommend modifying the one that
comes in the kit.
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Wayne Gillispie
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382446#382446
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| Subject: | Re: Matco nose wheel tire and tube |
Well it has been some time since I mounted my nose wheel, tube and tire,
but no modification at all was needed(but my memory isn't what it used
to be). I vaguely recall I had to do a couple looksees to figure out how
the tube stem needed to be inserted. I did get both the recommended
Matco wheel and the tube Tim recommended. Went together just as
designed, and is holding air just fine 7-8 months later.
Kelly
On 9/5/2012 8:05 AM, rv10flyer wrote:
>
> I had Van's supplied nose wheel and the one many recommended on here and vaf.
The only difference was which half had the machined slot for the brass valve
stem. The valve stem on the tube exits from the centerline, not off to the side.
Either wheel part# needs to be modified. If you order from Matco, I would think
they will charge shipping. So, the reason I recommend modifying the one that
comes in the kit.
>
> --------
> Wayne Gillispie
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382446#382446
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Matco nose wheel tire and tube |
Right on Wayne, Les Kearny also recommended doing that. I saved his reply
and will re-think/re-look at my decision.
Regards, Rick
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 11:05 AM, rv10flyer <wayne.gillispie@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> I had Van's supplied nose wheel and the one many recommended on here and
> vaf. The only difference was which half had the machined slot for the brass
> valve stem. The valve stem on the tube exits from the centerline, not off
> to the side. Either wheel part# needs to be modified. If you order from
> Matco, I would think they will charge shipping. So, the reason I recommend
> modifying the one that comes in the kit.
>
> --------
> Wayne Gillispie
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382446#382446
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Matco nose wheel tire and tube |
Thx Wayne I appreciate your opinion. Nothing better than first hand
experience.
Rick
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 8:02 AM, rv10flyer <wayne.gillispie@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I originally ordered Van's wheels, tires, tubes. Here is what I found out
> after going through it all and now flying for 76.9 hrs.
>
> The Leak stop tubes from Van's hold air just fine. Aired up once in 9
> months.
>
> Van's main tube stems clear just fine. I ordered the new improved main
> tubes from Desser and they will clear even better once installed.
>
> Van's nose tube valve stem is supposed to exit in center of wheel at
> splitline. The orig wheel had one half notched out for valve stem. I
> ordered the "recommended" part# which had the other half notched. Yes, it
> provided more nose fork-stem clearance but the rigid valve stem needed to
> exit in the center at splitline. So, my recommendation is to just modify
> the orig Van's wheel half to provide stem clearance and save your money and
> Matco's time.
>
> Van's tires are 1/4"-3/8" out of round. Don't even attempt to static
> balance an out of round tire. If you have had vibrations in a car after the
> tire shop said they balanced your tires then that was probably the reason.
> Your aircraft tires rotate twice the rpm and with 3/8" run out is part of
> the reason some of us have gear vibration problems. When I am heavy, I have
> much reduced or no resonance.
>
> So, I would recommend not purchasing Van's supplied main tires or main
> tubes. Also purchase Matco Axle.
>
> --------
> Wayne Gillispie
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382433#382433
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Matco nose wheel tire and tube |
You do need the Matco axle. The Van's axle has shown problems that cause
nose fork wear. If you are ordering from them anyway, why not get the right
wheel, that needs NO modification and costs the same as what Van's
supplies:?
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Rick Lark <larkrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
> Right on Wayne, Les Kearny also recommended doing that. I saved his reply
> and will re-think/re-look at my decision.
>
> Regards, Rick
>
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 11:05 AM, rv10flyer <wayne.gillispie@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> I had Van's supplied nose wheel and the one many recommended on here and
>> vaf. The only difference was which half had the machined slot for the brass
>> valve stem. The valve stem on the tube exits from the centerline, not off
>> to the side. Either wheel part# needs to be modified. If you order from
>> Matco, I would think they will charge shipping. So, the reason I recommend
>> modifying the one that comes in the kit.
>>
>> --------
>> Wayne Gillispie
>>
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382446#382446
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