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1. 05:20 AM - Re: Inlet Ring Size (jkreidler)
2. 09:48 AM - Button For Exterior Door Handle C-1007 (Sean Stephens)
3. 09:52 AM - Re: Re: Inlet Ring Size (Robin Marks)
4. 10:12 AM - Re: Button For Exterior Door Handle C-1007 (Geoff Combs)
5. 10:25 AM - Re: Button For Exterior Door Handle C-1007 (Jim Berry)
6. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: Button For Exterior Door Handle C-1007 (Pascal)
7. 10:43 AM - Re: Button For Exterior Door Handle C-1007 (Marcus Cooper)
8. 11:46 AM - Re: Re: Inlet Ring Size (Michael Sausen)
9. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: Brake Pads? (Scott Schmidt)
10. 03:08 PM - Re: Re: Brake Pads? (Tim Olson)
11. 04:15 PM - Re: Re: Brake Pads? (Jesse Saint)
12. 05:38 PM - Re: Re: Button For Exterior Door Handle C-1007 (Chris)
13. 08:15 PM - Re: Re: Inlet Ring Size (John Cox)
14. 08:18 PM - Re: Re: Button For Exterior Door Handle C-1007 (Michael Kraus)
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| Subject: | Re: Inlet Ring Size |
Robin - thanks for posting. Those things look giant! I would think your entering
the zone of external pressure recovery. I know you are absolutely sick of
this whole cooling thing and just want to move on and get it solved. Before
you do that is there any chance we could get you to take some before and after
pressure measurements in your cowl? I know I am asking a lot of a guy who is
as frustrated as you are.
By the way, as Ben said the interior shape of the inlet is really critical on internal
pressure recovery type systems (small inlets) like the James Cowl & Plenum.
I am of the unverified opinion right now that the interior shape of the
James cowl inlet is the problem. Putting together the test plan and data right
now to verify that.
Check out: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=12633
Thanks - Jason
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Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
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| Subject: | Button For Exterior Door Handle C-1007 |
Anyone fab a button, cover, whatever that fits over the C-1007 that is
depressed to rotate the exterior door handle? Seems odd that there's
nothing that covers the hole and it may be uncomfortable to press it.
-Sean #40303 (finishing cabin top interior)
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| Subject: | Re: Inlet Ring Size |
Jason,
I purchased those rings as my triple fall back option. I grabbed them because they
looked like a solution but not a convenient one considering all that would
be entailed with the conversion on an already flying -10. As far as pressure
readings we performed ~30 flights during and just after Phase 1 measuring different
DP's to get the plane reasonably flyable. That was nearly 3 years ago and
I am long past being interested in more R&D. To answer your question there will
be no Before & After as I plan on switching cowls vs. modifying the same cowl
so it will be an Apples & Oranges situation which at best would provide minimal
actionable information. I wish you the best in developing a solution for
this issue but the answer is already out there. It's called the stock Vans cowl
& baffle system. I would (and probably should go that route for my replacement
cowl but because of my Barrett FFCI / FM300 I have decided to try an impressive
new cowl that was specifically developed with that combination of hardware.
This is still a leap of faith but there is actually a flying version vs. just
going to market with something that "should work." Additionally I will be
replacing my Plenum with standard baffles and I hope to never own a plenum again.
Best of luck with your development. I will follow your thread on VAF and the RV
List.
Regards,
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkreidler
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 5:19 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Inlet Ring Size
--> <jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
Robin - thanks for posting. Those things look giant! I would think your entering
the zone of external pressure recovery. I know you are absolutely sick of
this whole cooling thing and just want to move on and get it solved. Before
you do that is there any chance we could get you to take some before and after
pressure measurements in your cowl? I know I am asking a lot of a guy who is
as frustrated as you are.
By the way, as Ben said the interior shape of the inlet is really critical on internal
pressure recovery type systems (small inlets) like the James Cowl & Plenum.
I am of the unverified opinion right now that the interior shape of the
James cowl inlet is the problem. Putting together the test plan and data right
now to verify that.
Check out: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=12633
Thanks - Jason
--------
Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler N44YH - Flying - #40617
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Button For Exterior Door Handle C-1007 |
Here is what I did. Made a little aluminum cap that pressed into the rod.
Looks good and
Is easy on the thumb
Geoff
Geoff Combs
Aerosport Modeling and Design
8090 howe industrial pkwy
canal winchester, ohio 43110
614.834.5227p
614.834.5230f
www.aerosportmodeling.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 12:47 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Button For Exterior Door Handle C-1007
Anyone fab a button, cover, whatever that fits over the C-1007 that is
depressed to rotate the exterior door handle? Seems odd that there's
nothing that covers the hole and it may be uncomfortable to press it.
-Sean #40303 (finishing cabin top interior)
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| Subject: | Re: Button For Exterior Door Handle C-1007 |
I used a nylon button from HD, held in place with some RTV.
Jim Berry
N15JB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382618#382618
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| Subject: | Re: Button For Exterior Door Handle C-1007 |
I used a plastic cover from HD as well. Sorry can not locate the part number
nor which section I got it from.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Berry
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 10:25 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Button For Exterior Door Handle C-1007
I used a nylon button from HD, held in place with some RTV.
Jim Berry
N15JB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382618#382618
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| Subject: | Re: Button For Exterior Door Handle C-1007 |
Geoff,
That looks really nice! And the polished handle looks very good too, well done.
Just more stuff to add to my list of things to spruce up now that I've had
the airplane flying for a number of years.
Thanks,
Marcus
do not archive
On Sep 7, 2012, at 1:11 PM, "Geoff Combs" <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com> wrote:
Here is what I did. Made a little aluminum cap that pressed into the rod.
Looks good and
Is easy on the thumb
Geoff
Geoff Combs
Aerosport Modeling and Design
8090 howe industrial pkwy
canal winchester, ohio 43110
614.834.5227p
614.834.5230f
www.aerosportmodeling.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 12:47 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Button For Exterior Door Handle C-1007
Anyone fab a button, cover, whatever that fits over the C-1007 that is
depressed to rotate the exterior door handle? Seems odd that there's
nothing that covers the hole and it may be uncomfortable to press it.
-Sean #40303 (finishing cabin top interior)
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| Subject: | Re: Inlet Ring Size |
Jason
They are considerably larger @ 6.25 ID for about an additional 4.5 sq-in
over the originals.
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I typically fly between 100 - 200 hours per year and put new pads on every
annual.- My first two years I flew 250 hours and I replaced them at 230 h
ours. =0A=0Ahttp://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=149271
#post149271=0A=0AIt is a pretty cheap item compared to the problems it may
cause when your on a trip away from your tools.- If you replaced them at
200 hours you would probably be safe and could start to extend the time dep
ending on your flying and braking.- =0A=0A-=0AScott Schmidt=0Ascottmsch
midt@yahoo.com=0A=0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A> From: Pasca
l <rv10flyer@verizon.net>=0A>To: rv10-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Tuesday,
September 4, 2012 9:58 AM=0A>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Brake Pads?=0A>
=0A>My contact is out this week but I'll follow-up next week and see if I c
an get a status on the pads. I thought he told me he was getting a new supp
ly after OSH, maybe he sold off that stock already, which is surprising con
sidering how many he was getting. Supposedly the "old" stock was far more d
urable than the new ones Rapco is working on getting certified or something
. A few months back Rapco mentioned that the new ones would be out by SnF,
than it was OSH.=0A>Hopefully I'll be able to get a more official response
on options by next week.=0A>=0A>=0A>-----Original Message----- From: rv10fl
yer=0A>Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 6:16 PM=0A>To: rv10-list@matronics.
com=0A>Subject: RV10-List: Re: Brake Pads?=0A>=0A>--> RV10-List message pos
ted by: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie@gmail.com>=0A>=0A>When someone hears t
hey are available again, please post.=0A>=0A>I am only at 76.9 hrs, but I l
ike keeping spares on hand of oil filter/oil/tires/tubes/pads/start & maste
r contactors/fuel selector valve/prop oring/caliper oring. I have all but p
ads and caliper oring in case someone gets in a bind and is near S. Ohio.
=0A>=0A>--------=0A>Wayne Gillispie=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Read this topic onli
ne here:=0A>=0A>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382350#382350
=- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle
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Yeah, I agree with Scott, I don't do them exactly at annual, but more
based on hours in service. But, while I don't remember the time I
put on for the first set, something tells me it was about 170 hours
and that was just enough for me to hit the rivets on one side and
grind a groove in my disk. I got less hard on brakes after that
first year, so Scott's 200 or so is probably a real good number
as a maximum for your first year with an RV-10. You MAY be able
to squeak a little more life out of them, but my guess is that most
builders should probably plan to replace BY 150 on their first
year....get a good measurement, change your bad habits, and maybe
shoot for a max of 200-250 after you learn how to be conservative
on brakes. Then you should do OK.
FWIW, this is why I am not a person who puts an air-fill hole in
my wheel fairings. If you use leakguard tubes, you only need to
fill up every 9 months or so anyway, so if I pull the fairings
every spring and fall, it gives me at minimum, 2 times a year
when I can inspect the linings. If I had a fill hole, I'd be
more tempted to just "fill er up" and keep flying without inspecting
the linings. Probably cause more harm than the convenience is worth.
Tim
On 9/7/2012 3:36 PM, Scott Schmidt wrote:
> I typically fly between 100 - 200 hours per year and put new pads on
> every annual. My first two years I flew 250 hours and I replaced them
> at 230 hours.
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=149271#post149271
>
> It is a pretty cheap item compared to the problems it may cause when
> your on a trip away from your tools. If you replaced them at 200 hours
> you would probably be safe and could start to extend the time depending
> on your flying and braking.
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 4, 2012 9:58 AM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Brake Pads?
>
> <mailto:rv10flyer@verizon.net>>
>
> My contact is out this week but I'll follow-up next week and see if
> I can get a status on the pads. I thought he told me he was getting
> a new supply after OSH, maybe he sold off that stock already, which
> is surprising considering how many he was getting. Supposedly the
> "old" stock was far more durable than the new ones Rapco is working
> on getting certified or something. A few months back Rapco mentioned
> that the new ones would be out by SnF, than it was OSH.
> Hopefully I'll be able to get a more official response on options by
> next week.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: rv10flyer
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 6:16 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Brake Pads?
>
> <wayne.gillispie@gmail.com <mailto:wayne.gillispie@gmail.com>>
>
> When someone hears they are available again, please post.
>
> I am only at 76.9 hrs, but I like keeping spares on hand of oil
> filter/oil/tires/tubes/pads/start & master contactors/fuel selector
> valve/prop oring/caliper oring. I have all but pads and caliper
> oring in case someone gets in a bind and is near S. Ohio.
>
> --------
> Wayne Gillispie
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382350#382350
> http://www.matronics -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
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I would agree with this as well, except that you can inspect the brake linings
with a mirror and flashlight. I like the fill hole.
Do not archive.
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 7, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I agree with Scott, I don't do them exactly at annual, but more
> based on hours in service. But, while I don't remember the time I
> put on for the first set, something tells me it was about 170 hours
> and that was just enough for me to hit the rivets on one side and
> grind a groove in my disk. I got less hard on brakes after that
> first year, so Scott's 200 or so is probably a real good number
> as a maximum for your first year with an RV-10. You MAY be able
> to squeak a little more life out of them, but my guess is that most
> builders should probably plan to replace BY 150 on their first
> year....get a good measurement, change your bad habits, and maybe
> shoot for a max of 200-250 after you learn how to be conservative
> on brakes. Then you should do OK.
>
> FWIW, this is why I am not a person who puts an air-fill hole in
> my wheel fairings. If you use leakguard tubes, you only need to
> fill up every 9 months or so anyway, so if I pull the fairings
> every spring and fall, it gives me at minimum, 2 times a year
> when I can inspect the linings. If I had a fill hole, I'd be
> more tempted to just "fill er up" and keep flying without inspecting
> the linings. Probably cause more harm than the convenience is worth.
> Tim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Button For Exterior Door Handle C-1007 |
I could have sworn the kit came with a little plastic cap that I pressed
into the button hole - don't recall having to source from HD or anywhere.
Only thing I don't like now is that the shaft has a little corrosion ring
around it.
-Chris
N919AR
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Button For Exterior Door Handle C-1007
I used a plastic cover from HD as well. Sorry can not locate the part number
nor which section I got it from.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Berry
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 10:25 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Button For Exterior Door Handle C-1007
I used a nylon button from HD, held in place with some RTV.
Jim Berry
N15JB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382618#382618
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| Subject: | Re: Inlet Ring Size |
I am one who believes in that hypothesis. Caressing rather than torturing
for the desired result.
John
On Sep 7, 2012 5:22 AM, "jkreidler" <jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com> wrote:
> jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
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> Robin - thanks for posting. Those things look giant! I would think your
> entering the zone of external pressure recovery. I know you are absolutely
> sick of this whole cooling thing and just want to move on and get it
> solved. Before you do that is there any chance we could get you to take
> some before and after pressure measurements in your cowl? I know I am
> asking a lot of a guy who is as frustrated as you are.
>
> By the way, as Ben said the interior shape of the inlet is really critical
> on internal pressure recovery type systems (small inlets) like the James
> Cowl & Plenum. I am of the unverified opinion right now that the interior
> shape of the James cowl inlet is the problem. Putting together the test
> plan and data right now to verify that.
>
> Check out: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=12633
>
> Thanks - Jason
>
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> Jason Kreidler
> 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
> N44YH - Flying - #40617
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382580#382580
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| Subject: | Re: Button For Exterior Door Handle C-1007 |
Mine also have this nylon button. Came with my kit....
-Mike Kraus
RV-10 Flying
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 7, 2012, at 8:37 PM, "Chris" <toaster73@embarqmail.com> wrote:
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> I could have sworn the kit came with a little plastic cap that I pressed
> into the button hole - don't recall having to source from HD or anywhere.
> Only thing I don't like now is that the shaft has a little corrosion ring
> around it.
> -Chris
> N919AR
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 1:41 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Button For Exterior Door Handle C-1007
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> I used a plastic cover from HD as well. Sorry can not locate the part numb
er
> nor which section I got it from.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Berry
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 10:25 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Button For Exterior Door Handle C-1007
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> I used a nylon button from HD, held in place with some RTV.
>
> Jim Berry
> N15JB
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