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1. 02:58 AM - Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage (Carlos Trigo)
2. 03:00 AM - Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage (Carlos Trigo)
3. 03:03 AM - Re: Extras in Fuselage (Carlos Trigo)
4. 05:08 AM - Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage (Michael Kraus)
5. 05:38 AM - Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage (Carlos Trigo)
6. 06:44 AM - Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage (Carl Froehlich)
7. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage (Kelly McMullen)
8. 08:16 AM - Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage (Patrick Pulis)
9. 09:14 AM - Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage (Robin Marks)
10. 09:19 AM - Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage (Tim Olson)
11. 09:28 AM - Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage (Pascal)
12. 09:35 AM - Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage (Carlos Trigo)
13. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage (Jesse Saint)
14. 10:21 AM - Extras in fuselage-parking brake (Tom Hanaway)
15. 10:50 AM - Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage (Carl Froehlich)
16. 11:58 AM - Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage (Bill Watson)
17. 12:07 PM - Re: Extras in fuselage-parking brake (Bill Watson)
18. 12:14 PM - Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage (Bill Watson)
19. 01:21 PM - Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage (Michael Kraus)
20. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage (Kelly McMullen)
21. 02:48 PM - Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
22. 03:36 PM - RV-10 Fibreglass Overhead Console (Patrick Pulis)
23. 04:45 PM - Re: RV-10 Fibreglass Overhead Console (Bob Leffler)
24. 05:08 PM - Re: RV-10 Fibreglass Overhead Console (Patrick Pulis)
25. 07:10 PM - Re: RV-10 Fibreglass Overhead Console (Michael Kraus)
26. 07:32 PM - Re: RV-10 Fibreglass Overhead Console (Patrick Pulis)
27. 08:00 PM - Re: RV-10 Fibreglass Overhead Console (Eric_Kallio)
28. 10:46 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 Fibreglass Overhead Console (Patrick Pulis)
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| Subject: | Re: Extras in Fuselage |
Thanks Patrick
It gets hot here in southern Europe as well, so the overhead console is
an
option I must consider. Did you use any after market console or did you
role
your own? Any pictures?
The hatches seem also a good idea. Do you have any pictures of those?
Warm regards from Portugal
Carlos
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis
Sent: s=E1bado, 29 de Setembro de 2012 1:30
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
Carlos,
I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require more
airflow (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted access hatches
to
enable me to get into the tunnel to service the fuel pump and consider
antenna placement before you close up the floors.
Warm regards from Oz
Patrick
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| Subject: | Re: Extras in Fuselage |
Yeah, that seems to be the best way to pass wires and other stuff
Carlos
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
> Sent: s=E1bado, 29 de Setembro de 2012 1:49
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
>
>
> I ran wires under the baggage floor but not under the passengers feet.
I
went down
> the sides from the passenger seats forward.
>
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> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Extras in Fuselage |
Thanks Rick
I=92ll check those.
Carlos
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark
Sent: s=E1bado, 29 de Setembro de 2012 2:49
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Extras in Fuselage
Carlos, I installed the tunnel access kit from www.airward.com. He also
has
a few other items worth considering.
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Carlos Trigo <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
wrote:
Greetings list
Now that I=92m beginning the fuselage, I need to check if I have
everything to
be incorporated in it.
So, to help me figure that out, will you please list which extras (not
included in Van=92s kit) did you use in your fuselage?
Parking brake valve or flap positioning system come to my mind.
Best
Carlos
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| Subject: | Re: Extras in Fuselage |
I had an RV-4 for ~500 hours and a RV-10 for ~100 hours and I've never had a
parking brake either. For me it was just added cost, complexity, weight, a
nd more potential brake fluid leak paths....
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just to represent the other side of the parking brake question, I have ~15
0 hours and have never had a circumstance where I wish I had a parking brake
.
>
> -Rob
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
>> Carlos,
>>
>> I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require more air
flow (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted access hatches to enab
le me to get into the tunnel to service the fuel pump and consider antenna p
lacement before you close up the floors.
>>
>>
>> Warm regards from Oz
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>> On 29/09/2012, at 8:24 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I already had thought of that, so I plan to put 1 or 2 big conduits. Do t
hey have to go from the tail cone, behind the baggage bulkhead, all the way t
hrough the instrument panel?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> However, what I meant for Extras to put in the fuselage, I was referring
to gizmos not included in the kit, like a parking brake valve or some cockp
it lights, or something else.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Carlos
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
>>>
>>> > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
>>>
>>> > Sent: sexta-feira, 28 de Setembro de 2012 20:08
>>>
>>> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>
>>> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Before riveting the baggage floor you'll need to pull wires (or lay co
nduit). Put in
>>>
>>> > extras or allow for pulling more, people always underestimate how many
they'll
>>>
>>> > need.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > --------
>>>
>>> > Bob Turner
>>>
>>> > RV-10 QB
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384155#384155
>>>
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> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
> Woodinville, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Extras in Fuselage |
Thanks Bill
Please find comments and additional questions below
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: s=E1bado, 29 de Setembro de 2012 3:30
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
Re antennas, it's a good thing to get settled sooner than later. If you
plan on 2 commas, the fuse bottom is the place to put them. One will
naturally go under the baggage floor which will become inaccessible
soon.
You can get a second along with a tpxr antenna under the front seats...
But
that is easily accessible whenever. I would recommend against a wing
tip
comm antenna.
Ok, seems logic to install belly antennas before closing down any floor
panels. But how did you manage the exterior painting? Tape masking the
antennas?
And how about the ELT antenna? Did you put it inside or in the upper
surface
of the tail cone?
FPS, check. Parking break, check
Which FPS? The electro-mechanic 3-position one or the electronic one
(with
trim compensation) from =93Aircraft Extras=94?
I have a lot of electrical and avionics stuff. Two conduits is not
quite
enough. I suggest wiring as much as you with the baggage floor open
(the
Vans electrical plan is a good one to follow for basic electricals).
Then
leave some open conduit for after the floor is closed. For example, I
have
2 batts, strobe pwr, dual GRT AHRS, NavWorx ADSB, ELT plus pitch trim
and
AP. Some other items to consider are rear seat audio jacks, static
line,
and a cig lighter power jack for all those portables.
Ok, I think I will go with 3 conduits=85
I used 2 Vans hatch kits (same as hatch for stall warning assembly) to
provide access to the step structure (probably overkill).
Which exactly are these hatch kits?
I used extra Vans strobe pwr mounts for my ELT and ADSB units. The Vans
AHRS mount kit was used too.
Good, I still have the one I bought for my -9A and didn=92t use
On an unrelated note re the stall warning system in the wing. I flew
the
first 100 hours with it disconnected. Never missed it. Finally hooked
it
up and flew another 100 hours. It's very nice to have it just as an
extra
data point for the flare.
Bill Watson
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Extras in Fuselage |
Some thoughts:
- I used the Van=92s parking brake and recommend it. I mounted
it
under the bulkhead between the panel and firewall so that a reach under
the
panel provides access. I did not use the Van=92s Parking Brake Install
Kit as
there is no need for a control cable as you move the park lever by hand.
This provides a simple but effective arrangement.
- I put in 6 wire conduits, three running down each side of the
fuselage. I ended up filling 5 of the six. I used the Van=92s 1=94
corrugated
conduit. I have both EFIS modules mounted in the tail cone (thus you
add
pitot, static and AOA tubing runs) and an independent two battery
electrical
system.
- Antennas must be accessible when done. I mounted both
communication antennas under the tunnel, one forward of the other but
both
aft of the fwd bell crank. The transponder is under the passenger seat
and
I=92ll mount the ADSB antenna under the pilot seat. The nav/ILS antenna
is
homebrew and mounted in the wingtip. ELT antenna is under the empennage
fairing. All antennas perform well. Strongly recommend you defer the
fuselage antenna mount site selections until after you first fit up of
control surface push tubes and such. This will tell you where you can
and
cannot mount the antennas. For paint I just put a piece of masking tape
on
the inside, then did the final antenna mount after paint. Antenna
doubler
plates of course were riveted before paint.
- I did not install the stall warning and glassed over the
associated wing slot. Two reasons ' the Dynon SkyView has a very
effective
AOA system with audio warning, and over 10 years flying the 8A without a
stall warning and never finding the need for one as the airplane itself
provides a lot of stall warning.
Carl
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 8:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
Thanks Bill
Please find comments and additional questions below
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: s=E1bado, 29 de Setembro de 2012 3:30
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
Re antennas, it's a good thing to get settled sooner than later. If you
plan on 2 commas, the fuse bottom is the place to put them. One will
naturally go under the baggage floor which will become inaccessible
soon.
You can get a second along with a tpxr antenna under the front seats...
But
that is easily accessible whenever. I would recommend against a wing
tip
comm antenna.
Ok, seems logic to install belly antennas before closing down any floor
panels. But how did you manage the exterior painting? Tape masking the
antennas?
And how about the ELT antenna? Did you put it inside or in the upper
surface
of the tail cone?
FPS, check. Parking break, check
Which FPS? The electro-mechanic 3-position one or the electronic one
(with
trim compensation) from =93Aircraft Extras=94?
I have a lot of electrical and avionics stuff. Two conduits is not
quite
enough. I suggest wiring as much as you with the baggage floor open
(the
Vans electrical plan is a good one to follow for basic electricals).
Then
leave some open conduit for after the floor is closed. For example, I
have
2 batts, strobe pwr, dual GRT AHRS, NavWorx ADSB, ELT plus pitch trim
and
AP. Some other items to consider are rear seat audio jacks, static
line,
and a cig lighter power jack for all those portables.
Ok, I think I will go with 3 conduits=85
I used 2 Vans hatch kits (same as hatch for stall warning assembly) to
provide access to the step structure (probably overkill).
Which exactly are these hatch kits?
I used extra Vans strobe pwr mounts for my ELT and ADSB units. The Vans
AHRS mount kit was used too.
Good, I still have the one I bought for my -9A and didn=92t use
On an unrelated note re the stall warning system in the wing. I flew
the
first 100 hours with it disconnected. Never missed it. Finally hooked
it
up and flew another 100 hours. It's very nice to have it just as an
extra
data point for the flare.
Bill Watson
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Extras in Fuselage |
Well, you must never park on a slope or find gas pumps on a slope. I've
used parking brake on every aircraft I've owned, and wished a
non-functioning one was working when had to have lineboy insert chock
before I could release brakes to get out. Weight, leaks, you haven't
looked at the Matco kit or are joking. Cost, yes, worth it, yes. You can
worry a LOT more about the crappy nylon brake lines Vans supplies before
being concerned about the parking brake leaking.
If you do very much cross country flying, it won't be long before you
find ramp areas with a slope.
As for overhead console, Geoff sells a very nice, and expensive one made
of carbon fiber. There are cheaper alternatives, but probably not a
better thought out and better fitting one.
On 9/29/2012 5:04 AM, Michael Kraus wrote:
> I had an RV-4 for ~500 hours and a RV-10 for ~100 hours and I've never
> had a parking brake either. For me it was just added cost,
> complexity, weight, and more potential brake fluid leak paths....
>
> -Mike Kraus
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com
> <mailto:rv10rob@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Just to represent the other side of the parking brake question, I
>> have ~150 hours and have never had a circumstance where I wish I had
>> a parking brake.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Pulis
>> <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au <mailto:rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au>> wrote:
>>
>> Carlos,
>>
>> I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require
>> more airflow (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted
>> access hatches to enable me to get into the tunnel to service the
>> fuel pump and consider antenna placement before you close up the
>> floors.
>>
>>
>> Warm regards from Oz
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>> On 29/09/2012, at 8:24 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt
>> <mailto:trigo@mail.telepac.pt>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Bob
>>>
>>> I already had thought of that, so I plan to put 1 or 2 big
>>> conduits. Do they have to go from the tail cone, behind the
>>> baggage bulkhead, all the way through the instrument panel?
>>>
>>> However, what I meant for Extras to put in the fuselage, I was
>>> referring to gizmos not included in the kit, like a parking
>>> brake valve or some cockpit lights, or something else.
>>>
>>> Carlos
>>>
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list- <mailto:owner-rv10-list->
>>>
>>> > server@matronics.com <mailto:server@matronics.com>] On Behalf
>>> Of Bob Turner
>>>
>>> > Sent: sexta-feira, 28 de Setembro de 2012 20:08
>>>
>>> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>
>>> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu <mailto:bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Before riveting the baggage floor you'll need to pull wires (or
>>> lay conduit). Put in
>>>
>>> > extras or allow for pulling more, people always underestimate
>>> how many they'll
>>>
>>> > need.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > --------
>>>
>>> > Bob Turner
>>>
>>> > RV-10 QB
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384155#384155
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > ==========
>>>
>>> > RV10-List Email Forum -
>>>
>>> > browse
>>>
>>> > Un/Subscription,
>>>
>>> > FAQ,
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
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>>>
>>> >
>>>
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>>>
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>> --
>> Rob Kochman
>> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
>> Woodinville, WA
>> http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | Re: Extras in Fuselage |
Carlos, I am installing a fibreglass overhead console which is what I purcha
sed some time ago. If I had my time again, I'd purchase the carbon fibre equ
ivalent from Geoff Coombs at Aerosport Designs. I'm also installing Geoff's
carbon fibre instrument panel, side panels, centre console and throttle qua
drant cover.
I've also fitted some tie down points in the baggage bay; installed access h
atches to gain access to the step bolts (coupled with increasing the bolt si
ze from AN-3 to AN-4 and fitting an aluminium block in the step tube, same d
iameter as the tube through which he bolt passes o prevent the tube from bei
ng crushed when the fixing bolt is tightened).
Someone sent you a reply re the access hatches in the tunnel to get access t
o the fuel pump and filter.
I also installed Teflon and brake fuel lines to replace the aluminium tubing
, which I thought would fail when operating from rough airstrips.
I've also installed a second battery adjacent to the first at the rear.
I'll be installing white/red, touch light LED's in the overhead console, whi
ch can be dimmed. These are made by AVEO.
Warm regards
Patrick
On 29/09/2012, at 7:27 PM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
> Thanks Patrick
>
> It gets hot here in southern Europe as well, so the overhead console is an
option I must consider. Did you use any after market console or did you rol
e your own? Any pictures?
> The hatches seem also a good idea. Do you have any pictures of those?
>
> Warm regards from Portugal
> Carlos
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis
> Sent: s=C3=A1bado, 29 de Setembro de 2012 1:30
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
>
> Carlos,
>
> I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require more airf
low (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted access hatches to enabl
e me to get into the tunnel to service the fuel pump and consider antenna pl
acement before you close up the floors.
>
>
> Warm regards from Oz
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Extras in Fuselage |
Geez, I wouldn't maybe go that far....I've never had
a parking brake in my RV-10, and only missed not having
one maybe 2 times in 900 hours, 49 states, and 4
countries of flying. I wouldn't say it's THAT
necessary. There are a lot of other things I'd
prioritize before that. But as all of these little
detail items go, it's personal preference, and your
needs may differ and your mileage may vary.
I'd go with the overhead console though, because that
is one thing I wish I had.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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On 9/29/2012 9:35 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Well, you must never park on a slope or find gas pumps on a slope. I've
> used parking brake on every aircraft I've owned, and wished a
> non-functioning one was working when had to have lineboy insert chock
> before I could release brakes to get out. Weight, leaks, you haven't
> looked at the Matco kit or are joking. Cost, yes, worth it, yes. You can
> worry a LOT more about the crappy nylon brake lines Vans supplies before
> being concerned about the parking brake leaking.
> If you do very much cross country flying, it won't be long before you
> find ramp areas with a slope.
> As for overhead console, Geoff sells a very nice, and expensive one made
> of carbon fiber. There are cheaper alternatives, but probably not a
> better thought out and better fitting one.
>
> On 9/29/2012 5:04 AM, Michael Kraus wrote:
>> I had an RV-4 for ~500 hours and a RV-10 for ~100 hours and I've never
>> had a parking brake either. For me it was just added cost,
>> complexity, weight, and more potential brake fluid leak paths....
>>
>> -Mike Kraus
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com
>> <mailto:rv10rob@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just to represent the other side of the parking brake question, I
>>> have ~150 hours and have never had a circumstance where I wish I had
>>> a parking brake.
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Pulis
>>> <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au <mailto:rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Carlos,
>>>
>>> I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require
>>> more airflow (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted
>>> access hatches to enable me to get into the tunnel to service the
>>> fuel pump and consider antenna placement before you close up the
>>> floors.
>>>
>>>
>>> Warm regards from Oz
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On 29/09/2012, at 8:24 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt
>>> <mailto:trigo@mail.telepac.pt>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Bob
>>>>
>>>> I already had thought of that, so I plan to put 1 or 2 big
>>>> conduits. Do they have to go from the tail cone, behind the
>>>> baggage bulkhead, all the way through the instrument panel?
>>>>
>>>> However, what I meant for Extras to put in the fuselage, I was
>>>> referring to gizmos not included in the kit, like a parking
>>>> brake valve or some cockpit lights, or something else.
>>>>
>>>> Carlos
>>>>
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>
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>>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list- <mailto:owner-rv10-list->
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>>>> > server@matronics.com <mailto:server@matronics.com>] On Behalf
>>>> Of Bob Turner
>>>>
>>>> > Sent: sexta-feira, 28 de Setembro de 2012 20:08
>>>>
>>>> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>>
>>>> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu <mailto:bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > Before riveting the baggage floor you'll need to pull wires (or
>>>> lay conduit). Put in
>>>>
>>>> > extras or allow for pulling more, people always underestimate
>>>> how many they'll
>>>>
>>>> > need.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > --------
>>>>
>>>> > Bob Turner
>>>>
>>>> > RV-10 QB
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Extras in Fuselage |
I use the parking brake more than I ever thought I would. Last time was
to hold the plane steady while I chocked it in place. Not having the
brake would have resulted in a moving plane on the slight incline.
I am glad I installed mine. I use it!
From: Robin Marks
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:10 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I enjoy having my Parking Brakes on both the 8 & 10. Very simple, light
and relatively inexpensive. Worth the minor effort in my opinion.
Robin
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 5:05 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I had an RV-4 for ~500 hours and a RV-10 for ~100 hours and I've never
had a parking brake either. For me it was just added cost, complexity,
weight, and more potential brake fluid leak paths....
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com> wrote:
Just to represent the other side of the parking brake question, I have
~150 hours and have never had a circumstance where I wish I had a
parking brake.
-Rob
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Pulis
<rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Carlos,
I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require more
airflow (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted access hatches
to enable me to get into the tunnel to service the fuel pump and
consider antenna placement before you close up the floors.
Warm regards from Oz
Patrick
On 29/09/2012, at 8:24 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
wrote:
Thanks Bob
I already had thought of that, so I plan to put 1 or 2 big conduits.
Do they have to go from the tail cone, behind the baggage bulkhead, all
the way through the instrument panel?
However, what I meant for Extras to put in the fuselage, I was
referring to gizmos not included in the kit, like a parking brake valve
or some cockpit lights, or something else.
Carlos
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
> Sent: sexta-feira, 28 de Setembro de 2012 20:08
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
>
<bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
>
> Before riveting the baggage floor you'll need to pull wires (or
lay conduit). Put in
> extras or allow for pulling more, people always underestimate how
many they'll
> need.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384155#384155
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Extras in Fuselage |
Thanks Tim
Can you please tell which were the =93things=94 you did put in yours?
Carlos
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: s=E1bado, 29 de Setembro de 2012 17:16
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
>
>
> Geez, I wouldn't maybe go that far....I've never had
> a parking brake in my RV-10, and only missed not having
> one maybe 2 times in 900 hours, 49 states, and 4
> countries of flying. I wouldn't say it's THAT
> necessary. There are a lot of other things I'd
> prioritize before that. But as all of these little
> detail items go, it's personal preference, and your
> needs may differ and your mileage may vary.
>
> I'd go with the overhead console though, because that
> is one thing I wish I had.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 9/29/2012 9:35 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
<kellym@aviating.com>
> >
> > Well, you must never park on a slope or find gas pumps on a slope.
I've
> > used parking brake on every aircraft I've owned, and wished a
> > non-functioning one was working when had to have lineboy insert
chock
> > before I could release brakes to get out. Weight, leaks, you haven't
> > looked at the Matco kit or are joking. Cost, yes, worth it, yes. You
can
> > worry a LOT more about the crappy nylon brake lines Vans supplies
before
> > being concerned about the parking brake leaking.
> > If you do very much cross country flying, it won't be long before
you
> > find ramp areas with a slope.
> > As for overhead console, Geoff sells a very nice, and expensive one
made
> > of carbon fiber. There are cheaper alternatives, but probably not a
> > better thought out and better fitting one.
> >
> > On 9/29/2012 5:04 AM, Michael Kraus wrote:
> >> I had an RV-4 for ~500 hours and a RV-10 for ~100 hours and I've
never
> >> had a parking brake either. For me it was just added cost,
> >> complexity, weight, and more potential brake fluid leak paths....
> >>
> >> -Mike Kraus
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:rv10rob@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just to represent the other side of the parking brake question, I
> >>> have ~150 hours and have never had a circumstance where I wish I
had
> >>> a parking brake.
> >>>
> >>> -Rob
> >>>
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| Subject: | Re: Extras in Fuselage |
I'm with Tim on this. I have only had a couple of times where I thought it w
ould be nice to have a parking brake. I've never been in a spot where I had a
ny trouble without one.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:25 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@live.com> wrote:
> I use the parking brake more than I ever thought I would. Last time was to
hold the plane steady while I chocked it in place. Not having the brake wou
ld have resulted in a moving plane on the slight incline.
> I am glad I installed mine. I use it!
>
> From: Robin Marks
> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:10 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
>
> I enjoy having my Parking Brakes on both the 8 & 10. Very simple, light an
d relatively inexpensive. Worth the minor effort in my opinion.
>
> Robin
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 5:05 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
>
> I had an RV-4 for ~500 hours and a RV-10 for ~100 hours and I've never had
a parking brake either. For me it was just added cost, complexity, weight,
and more potential brake fluid leak paths....
>
> -Mike Kraus
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just to represent the other side of the parking brake question, I have ~15
0 hours and have never had a circumstance where I wish I had a parking brake
..
>
> -Rob
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
> Carlos,
>
> I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require more airf
low (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted access hatches to enabl
e me to get into the tunnel to service the fuel pump and consider antenna pl
acement before you close up the floors.
>
>
> Warm regards from Oz
>
> Patrick
>
> On 29/09/2012, at 8:24 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
>
> Thanks Bob
>
>
>
> I already had thought of that, so I plan to put 1 or 2 big conduits. Do th
ey have to go from the tail cone, behind the baggage bulkhead, all the way t
hrough the instrument panel?
>
>
>
> However, what I meant for Extras to put in the fuselage, I was referring t
o gizmos not included in the kit, like a parking brake valve or some cockpit
lights, or something else.
>
>
>
> Carlos
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
>
> > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
>
> > Sent: sexta-feira, 28 de Setembro de 2012 20:08
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> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
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> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
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> >
>
>
> >
>
> > Before riveting the baggage floor you'll need to pull wires (or lay cond
uit). Put in
>
> > extras or allow for pulling more, people always underestimate how many t
hey'll
>
> > need.
>
> >
>
> > --------
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> > Bob Turner
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> > RV-10 QB
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> >
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| Subject: | Extras in fuselage-parking brake |
Put in the parking brake while building-easy install and no leaks during assembly
testing.
Once finished plane, had a leak in parking brake.
Pulled parking brake (after first checking tightness of all fittings)-PITA getting
to firewall.
Replaced with new unit-good for 15 hours and then started slow drip from same area
of parking brake unit.
Pulled it again-left it off. Brakes are now fine with no leaks.
Very happy with less aggravation.
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A couple photos attached on wire conduit and parking brake. Note '
the
parking brake is attached to the bulkhead that is not in place in this
photo.
Carl
From: Carl Froehlich [mailto:carl.froehlich@verizon.net]
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:41 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
Some thoughts:
- I used the Van=92s parking brake and recommend it. I mounted
it
under the bulkhead between the panel and firewall so that a reach under
the
panel provides access. I did not use the Van=92s Parking Brake Install
Kit as
there is no need for a control cable as you move the park lever by hand.
This provides a simple but effective arrangement.
- I put in 6 wire conduits, three running down each side of the
fuselage. I ended up filling 5 of the six. I used the Van=92s 1=94
corrugated
conduit. I have both EFIS modules mounted in the tail cone (thus you
add
pitot, static and AOA tubing runs) and an independent two battery
electrical
system.
- Antennas must be accessible when done. I mounted both
communication antennas under the tunnel, one forward of the other but
both
aft of the fwd bell crank. The transponder is under the passenger seat
and
I=92ll mount the ADSB antenna under the pilot seat. The nav/ILS antenna
is
homebrew and mounted in the wingtip. ELT antenna is under the empennage
fairing. All antennas perform well. Strongly recommend you defer the
fuselage antenna mount site selections until after you first fit up of
control surface push tubes and such. This will tell you where you can
and
cannot mount the antennas. For paint I just put a piece of masking tape
on
the inside, then did the final antenna mount after paint. Antenna
doubler
plates of course were riveted before paint.
- I did not install the stall warning and glassed over the
associated wing slot. Two reasons ' the Dynon SkyView has a very
effective
AOA system with audio warning, and over 10 years flying the 8A without a
stall warning and never finding the need for one as the airplane itself
provides a lot of stall warning.
Carl
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 8:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
Thanks Bill
Please find comments and additional questions below
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: s=E1bado, 29 de Setembro de 2012 3:30
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
Re antennas, it's a good thing to get settled sooner than later. If you
plan on 2 commas, the fuse bottom is the place to put them. One will
naturally go under the baggage floor which will become inaccessible
soon.
You can get a second along with a tpxr antenna under the front seats...
But
that is easily accessible whenever. I would recommend against a wing
tip
comm antenna.
Ok, seems logic to install belly antennas before closing down any floor
panels. But how did you manage the exterior painting? Tape masking the
antennas?
And how about the ELT antenna? Did you put it inside or in the upper
surface
of the tail cone?
FPS, check. Parking break, check
Which FPS? The electro-mechanic 3-position one or the electronic one
(with
trim compensation) from =93Aircraft Extras=94?
I have a lot of electrical and avionics stuff. Two conduits is not
quite
enough. I suggest wiring as much as you with the baggage floor open
(the
Vans electrical plan is a good one to follow for basic electricals).
Then
leave some open conduit for after the floor is closed. For example, I
have
2 batts, strobe pwr, dual GRT AHRS, NavWorx ADSB, ELT plus pitch trim
and
AP. Some other items to consider are rear seat audio jacks, static
line,
and a cig lighter power jack for all those portables.
Ok, I think I will go with 3 conduits=85
I used 2 Vans hatch kits (same as hatch for stall warning assembly) to
provide access to the step structure (probably overkill).
Which exactly are these hatch kits?
I used extra Vans strobe pwr mounts for my ELT and ADSB units. The Vans
AHRS mount kit was used too.
Good, I still have the one I bought for my -9A and didn=92t use
On an unrelated note re the stall warning system in the wing. I flew
the
first 100 hours with it disconnected. Never missed it. Finally hooked
it
up and flew another 100 hours. It's very nice to have it just as an
extra
data point for the flare.
Bill Watson
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On 9/29/2012 8:35 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
>
> Thanks Bill
>
> Please find comments and additional questions below
>
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>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Watson
> *Sent:* sbado, 29 de Setembro de 2012 3:30
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
>
> Re antennas, it's a good thing to get settled sooner than later. If
> you plan on 2 commas, the fuse bottom is the place to put them. One
> will naturally go under the baggage floor which will become
> inaccessible soon. You can get a second along with a tpxr antenna
> under the front seats... But that is easily accessible whenever. I
> would recommend against a wing tip comm antenna.
>
> Ok, seems logic to install belly antennas before closing down any
> floor panels. But how did you manage the exterior painting? Tape
> masking the antennas?
>
The critical antenna(s) are any that you place under the baggage floor.
I have 1 VHF antenna there. I installed it with the floor off using
blind nuts. I copied Tim and others in the way I did that. As I
recall, there is a doubling plate to provide stiffness and to mount the
blind nuts. So it was not necessary rivet the nuts to the outer skin.
Then, before closing up the skin, I fastened string/wire to the BNC
connector to make it easy to fish out later. This may have required a
slightly larger hole for the connector to fit thru the outer skin but I
can't recall. Then I taped it for paint. Closed up the floor, wait 2
years, painted, then almost forgot how I had prepared the antenna.
After 2 days of head scratching, I pulled the connector thru and bolted
on the antenna. Lesson; don't assume some nifty idea used some time ago
will be recalled after everything is buttoned up.
My transponder and 2nd VHF antenna are under the front seats but that
area is fully accessible for regular nuts and post-paint installation.
>
> And how about the ELT antenna? Did you put it inside or in the upper
> surface of the tail cone?
>
I mounted it on the upper surface. I put it there because it was an
after paint install due to the late availability of the ACK ELT. I just
didn't feel like pulling the fairing off the tail and doing a bunch of
tailcone installation work. I hate it there sticking out in the
slipstream, the most prominent protuberance on the aircraft. But some
other experiences have led me to think it is best there. Of course I
assume it will never be needed. If it is needed however, it will be the
most important antenna on the plane. In that case, I want it installed
per the spec even though there's a pretty good case for installing under
the tail fairing. But I'm glad it's where it is.
>
> FPS, check. Parking break, check
>
> Which FPS? The electro-mechanic 3-position one or the electronic one
> (with trim compensation) from "Aircraft Extras"?
>
I have the electro-mechanical 3pos. It works great. Had a hiccup with
it where it no longer did the automatic thing. The fix was known (some
readjustment and tightening of some mechanics) but I put off fixing it
for 4 or 5 months of flying. I learned 2 things - manual control works
just fine, and that visual confirmation of flap position is easy in the
'10. No indicator is really needed, even in the soup. Now that the 3
pos thing is working again, I love it. I would have consider the
electronic one if it had been available.
Re Parking Brake: I put one in because I was used to having one in my
Maule where I used it a lot. My home airport's gas pump is on a
slope. The Maule would roll, the '10 can be positioned so it won't, but
the brake makes it a piece of cake. Flying to other airports, I use the
brake sparingly but it does come in handy. It's a tool which you can
operate with or without. Without it, I'd say you must carry chocks with
you. I don't carry chocks but have the brake. Carrying chocks is a
good idea anyway because too many times, the FBO won't have chocks that
will fit under the pants. With the brake, you have to be careful NOT to
use it if you will be towed. Oh, and my brake unit leaked and had to be
returned to the supplier for a known fix.
At KGKY, the line guy removed the chocks while I was loading. The '10
was on a slight slope and after a few mins, started to roll backwards
into a fence. I was close enough to throw my body behind it and stop
it. Sometimes unusual stuff just happens.
>
> I have a lot of electrical and avionics stuff. Two conduits is not
> quite enough. I suggest wiring as much as you with the baggage floor
> open (the Vans electrical plan is a good one to follow for basic
> electricals). Then leave some open conduit for after the floor is
> closed. For example, I have 2 batts, strobe pwr, dual GRT AHRS,
> NavWorx ADSB, ELT plus pitch trim and AP. Some other items to consider
> are rear seat audio jacks, static line, and a cig lighter power jack
> for all those portables.
>
> Ok, I think I will go with 3 conduits...
>
> I used 2 Vans hatch kits (same as hatch for stall warning assembly) to
> provide access to the step structure (probably overkill).
>
> Which exactly are these hatch kits?
>
VA-195D
>
> I used extra Vans strobe pwr mounts for my ELT and ADSB units. The
> Vans AHRS mount kit was used too.
>
> Good, I still have the one I bought for my -9A and didn't use
>
I use 3 of them
>
>
I was just looking at my receipts - 2 misc items
Slick Start - this is a FWF item that you will need if you are getting
the factory engine and running mags.
I just picked up the Vans RV10 Cowl plug set after having a NJ Starling
build a condo in my engine compartment in 2 days. Should have known better.
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| Subject: | Re: Extras in fuselage-parking brake |
Mine leaked too. As I recall, there is/was a known deficiency and fix
that they applied to my returned unit. No leaks since. It was a PITA.
I'm pro-brake based on previous experience with a previous plane, but
obviously you can operate the '10 either way.
Bill Watson
On 9/29/2012 1:16 PM, Tom Hanaway wrote:
>
> Put in the parking brake while building-easy install and no leaks during assembly
testing.
> Once finished plane, had a leak in parking brake.
> Pulled parking brake (after first checking tightness of all fittings)-PITA getting
to firewall.
> Replaced with new unit-good for 15 hours and then started slow drip from same
area of parking brake unit.
>
> Pulled it again-left it off. Brakes are now fine with no leaks.
>
> Very happy with less aggravation.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Extras in Fuselage |
On 9/29/2012 1:47 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>
> A couple photos attached on wire conduit and parking brake. Note --
> the parking brake is attached to the bulkhead that is not in place in
> this photo.
>
> Carl
>
>
Pictures are great. I'll add these:
parking brake:
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=2155&log=44741&row=21
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=2155&log=44743&row=19
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| Subject: | Re: Extras in Fuselage |
If you have it, you will use it. The question is, is it really necessary? 6
00 RV hours on 2 planes and never really needed it....
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:25 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@live.com> wrote:
> I use the parking brake more than I ever thought I would. Last time was to
hold the plane steady while I chocked it in place. Not having the brake wou
ld have resulted in a moving plane on the slight incline.
> I am glad I installed mine. I use it!
>
> From: Robin Marks
> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:10 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
>
> I enjoy having my Parking Brakes on both the 8 & 10. Very simple, light an
d relatively inexpensive. Worth the minor effort in my opinion.
>
> Robin
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 5:05 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
>
> I had an RV-4 for ~500 hours and a RV-10 for ~100 hours and I've never had
a parking brake either. For me it was just added cost, complexity, weight,
and more potential brake fluid leak paths....
>
> -Mike Kraus
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just to represent the other side of the parking brake question, I have ~15
0 hours and have never had a circumstance where I wish I had a parking brake
.
>
> -Rob
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
> Carlos,
>
> I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require more airf
low (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted access hatches to en
able me to get into the tunnel to service the fuel pump and consider antenna
placement before you close up the floors.
>
>
> Warm regards from Oz
>
> Patrick
>
> On 29/09/2012, at 8:24 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
>
> Thanks Bob
>
>
>
> I already had thought of that, so I plan to put 1 or 2 big conduits. Do th
ey have to go from the tail cone, behind the baggage bulkhead, all the way t
hrough the instrument panel?
>
>
>
> However, what I meant for Extras to put in the fuselage, I was referring t
o gizmos not included in the kit, like a parking brake valve or some cockpit
lights, or something else.
>
>
>
> Carlos
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
>
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> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
>
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> > Before riveting the baggage floor you'll need to pull wires (or lay cond
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>
> > extras or allow for pulling more, people always underestimate how many t
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Extras in Fuselage |
Well, two weeks ago I was at the Mariposa airport to go to Yosemite.
Runway 1% grade, ramp about 2 percent grade and no way to hold the plane
without parking brake. Maybe it is more of a western thing, although I
recall somewhere like Martinsvill, eWV as another with sloped ramp. Yes
it is a small percentage, but when needed, very handy.
On 9/29/2012 9:40 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:
> I'm with Tim on this. I have only had a couple of times where I
> thought it would be nice to have a parking brake. I've never been in a
> spot where I had any trouble without one.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
> www.mavericklsa.com <http://www.mavericklsa.com>
> C: 352-427-0285
> O: 352-465-4545
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:25 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@live.com
> <mailto:rv10flyer@live.com>> wrote:
>
>> I use the parking brake more than I ever thought I would. Last time
>> was to hold the plane steady while I chocked it in place. Not having
>> the brake would have resulted in a moving plane on the slight incline.
>> I am glad I installed mine. I use it!
>> *From:* Robin Marks <mailto:robin@painttheweb.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:10 AM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
>>
>> I enjoy having my Parking Brakes on both the 8 & 10. Very simple,
>> light and relatively inexpensive. Worth the minor effort in my opinion.
>>
>> Robin
>>
>> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Michael
>> Kraus
>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 29, 2012 5:05 AM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
>>
>> I had an RV-4 for ~500 hours and a RV-10 for ~100 hours and I've
>> never had a parking brake either. For me it was just added cost,
>> complexity, weight, and more potential brake fluid leak paths....
>>
>> -Mike Kraus
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com
>> <mailto:rv10rob@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Just to represent the other side of the parking brake question, I
>> have ~150 hours and have never had a circumstance where I wish I
>> had a parking brake.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Pulis
>> <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au <mailto:rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au>> wrote:
>>
>> Carlos,
>>
>> I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require
>> more airflow (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted
>> access hatches to enable me to get into the tunnel to service the
>> fuel pump and consider antenna placement before you close up the
>> floors.
>>
>>
>>
>> Warm regards from Oz
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On 29/09/2012, at 8:24 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt
>> <mailto:trigo@mail.telepac.pt>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Bob
>>
>> I already had thought of that, so I plan to put 1 or 2 big
>> conduits. Do they have to go from the tail cone, behind the
>> baggage bulkhead, all the way through the instrument panel?
>>
>> However, what I meant for Extras to put in the fuselage, I
>> was referring to gizmos not included in the kit, like a
>> parking brake valve or some cockpit lights, or something else.
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>>
>> >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list- <mailto:owner-rv10-list->
>>
>> >server@matronics.com <mailto:server@matronics.com>] On Behalf
>> Of Bob Turner
>>
>> >Sent: sexta-feira, 28 de Setembro de 2012 20:08
>>
>> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>
>> >Subject: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
>>
>> >
>>
>> <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu <mailto:bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>>
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Before riveting the baggage floor you'll need to pull wires
>> (or lay conduit). Put in
>>
>> > extras or allow for pulling more, people always
>> underestimate how many they'll
>>
>> > need.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > --------
>>
>> > Bob Turner
>>
>> > RV-10 QB
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Read this topic online here:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384155#384155
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Extras in Fuselage |
I have had the same experience as Tim and Jesse. I could have used it 1 time in
400 hrs. Robert
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 29, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
> I'm with Tim on this. I have only had a couple of times where I thought it would
be nice to have a parking brake. I've never been in a spot where I had any
trouble without one.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> www.mavericklsa.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> O: 352-465-4545
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:25 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@live.com> wrote:
>
>> I use the parking brake more than I ever thought I would. Last time was to hold
the plane steady while I chocked it in place. Not having the brake would have
resulted in a moving plane on the slight incline.
>> I am glad I installed mine. I use it!
>>
>> From: Robin Marks
>> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:10 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
>>
>> I enjoy having my Parking Brakes on both the 8 & 10. Very simple, light and
relatively inexpensive. Worth the minor effort in my opinion.
>>
>> Robin
>>
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
>> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 5:05 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
>>
>> I had an RV-4 for ~500 hours and a RV-10 for ~100 hours and I've never had a
parking brake either. For me it was just added cost, complexity, weight, and
more potential brake fluid leak paths....
>>
>> -Mike Kraus
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just to represent the other side of the parking brake question, I have ~150
hours and have never had a circumstance where I wish I had a parking brake.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> Carlos,
>>
>> I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require more airflow
(it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted access hatches to enable me
to get into the tunnel to service the fuel pump and consider antenna placement
before you close up the floors.
>>
>>
>> Warm regards from Oz
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>> On 29/09/2012, at 8:24 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> I already had thought of that, so I plan to put 1 or 2 big conduits. Do they
have to go from the tail cone, behind the baggage bulkhead, all the way through
the instrument panel?
>>
>>
>>
>> However, what I meant for Extras to put in the fuselage, I was referring to
gizmos not included in the kit, like a parking brake valve or some cockpit lights,
or something else.
>>
>>
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>>
>> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
>>
>> > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
>>
>> > Sent: sexta-feira, 28 de Setembro de 2012 20:08
>>
>> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>
>> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Before riveting the baggage floor you'll need to pull wires (or lay conduit).
Put in
>>
>> > extras or allow for pulling more, people always underestimate how many they'll
>>
>> > need.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > --------
>>
>> > Bob Turner
>>
>> > RV-10 QB
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Read this topic online here:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384155#384155
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
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>>
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>>
>> > browse
>>
>> > Un/Subscription,
>>
>> > FAQ,
>>
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>>
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| Subject: | RV-10 Fibreglass Overhead Console |
Hi guys,
I'm installing a fibreglass overhead console which I purchased from the late Tony
Sustare some years ago now.
I never received any instructions with the console, so I'm mainly using Deems website
as a guide as he also installed the same overhead console. The console
installation is generally fiddly but not 'rocket science'.
If anyone has any instructions that would be appreciated but not essential, however
I'd really like to know what people used to seal the aft flange of the overhead
console to the aft bulkhead in the baggage bay please?
For information purposes, I'm using the same vents as Deems did, the black anodised
aluminium vents from Stein, however I'm using the touch activated and touch
dimming lights from Aveo, which can be selected from white to red LED in the
same light. They are 'wicked'. No switches need to be installed, as the switching
is touch sensitive. Also reduces wiring too.
I'm also using LED's in the baggage bay, rather than the standard light.
Warm regards from Oz
Patrick
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| Subject: | RV-10 Fibreglass Overhead Console |
I have Geoff's overhead. Mine fits almost flush against the baggage
bulkhead. I just used some standard weather stripping as a seal.
bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 6:32 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Fibreglass Overhead Console
--> <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au>
Hi guys,
I'm installing a fibreglass overhead console which I purchased from the late
Tony Sustare some years ago now.
I never received any instructions with the console, so I'm mainly using
Deems website as a guide as he also installed the same overhead console.
The console installation is generally fiddly but not 'rocket science'.
If anyone has any instructions that would be appreciated but not essential,
however I'd really like to know what people used to seal the aft flange of
the overhead console to the aft bulkhead in the baggage bay please?
For information purposes, I'm using the same vents as Deems did, the black
anodised aluminium vents from Stein, however I'm using the touch activated
and touch dimming lights from Aveo, which can be selected from white to red
LED in the same light. They are 'wicked'. No switches need to be installed,
as the switching is touch sensitive. Also reduces wiring too.
I'm also using LED's in the baggage bay, rather than the standard light.
Warm regards from Oz
Patrick
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Thanks Bob
Warm regards
Patrick
On 30/09/2012, at 8:59 AM, "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>
> I have Geoff's overhead. Mine fits almost flush against the baggage
> bulkhead. I just used some standard weather stripping as a seal.
>
> bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis
> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 6:32 PM
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> Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Fibreglass Overhead Console
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> --> <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm installing a fibreglass overhead console which I purchased from the late
> Tony Sustare some years ago now.
>
> I never received any instructions with the console, so I'm mainly using
> Deems website as a guide as he also installed the same overhead console.
> The console installation is generally fiddly but not 'rocket science'.
>
> If anyone has any instructions that would be appreciated but not essential,
> however I'd really like to know what people used to seal the aft flange of
> the overhead console to the aft bulkhead in the baggage bay please?
>
> For information purposes, I'm using the same vents as Deems did, the black
> anodised aluminium vents from Stein, however I'm using the touch activated
> and touch dimming lights from Aveo, which can be selected from white to red
> LED in the same light. They are 'wicked'. No switches need to be installed,
> as the switching is touch sensitive. Also reduces wiring too.
>
> I'm also using LED's in the baggage bay, rather than the standard light.
>
> Warm regards from Oz
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Fibreglass Overhead Console |
I used mold release on the baggage wall, cut the overhead as close as I could,
then laid up epoxy/flox/glass to fill the gap. Then I removed the top, built
an aft wall in the overhead plenum to seal it off and make it a pressurized chamber
(ie, it doesn't need to seal against the aft baggage wall). Installed two
2" ducts and ran those to the naca inlets.
I can send Picts in a few days if necessary.
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 29, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm installing a fibreglass overhead console which I purchased from the late
Tony Sustare some years ago now.
>
> I never received any instructions with the console, so I'm mainly using Deems
website as a guide as he also installed the same overhead console. The console
installation is generally fiddly but not 'rocket science'.
>
> If anyone has any instructions that would be appreciated but not essential, however
I'd really like to know what people used to seal the aft flange of the
overhead console to the aft bulkhead in the baggage bay please?
>
> For information purposes, I'm using the same vents as Deems did, the black anodised
aluminium vents from Stein, however I'm using the touch activated and touch
dimming lights from Aveo, which can be selected from white to red LED in
the same light. They are 'wicked'. No switches need to be installed, as the switching
is touch sensitive. Also reduces wiring too.
>
> I'm also using LED's in the baggage bay, rather than the standard light.
>
> Warm regards from Oz
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Fibreglass Overhead Console |
Mike I was thinking of doing that installation technique, thereby eliminating the
need for a seal.
Pictures would be appreciated when you are able please.
Many thanks.
Warm regards
Patrick
On 30/09/2012, at 11:34 AM, Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> wrote:
>
> I used mold release on the baggage wall, cut the overhead as close as I could,
then laid up epoxy/flox/glass to fill the gap. Then I removed the top, built
an aft wall in the overhead plenum to seal it off and make it a pressurized
chamber (ie, it doesn't need to seal against the aft baggage wall). Installed
two 2" ducts and ran those to the naca inlets.
>
> I can send Picts in a few days if necessary.
> -Mike Kraus
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 29, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I'm installing a fibreglass overhead console which I purchased from the late
Tony Sustare some years ago now.
>>
>> I never received any instructions with the console, so I'm mainly using Deems
website as a guide as he also installed the same overhead console. The console
installation is generally fiddly but not 'rocket science'.
>>
>> If anyone has any instructions that would be appreciated but not essential,
however I'd really like to know what people used to seal the aft flange of the
overhead console to the aft bulkhead in the baggage bay please?
>>
>> For information purposes, I'm using the same vents as Deems did, the black anodised
aluminium vents from Stein, however I'm using the touch activated and
touch dimming lights from Aveo, which can be selected from white to red LED in
the same light. They are 'wicked'. No switches need to be installed, as the
switching is touch sensitive. Also reduces wiring too.
>>
>> I'm also using LED's in the baggage bay, rather than the standard light.
>>
>> Warm regards from Oz
>>
>> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Fibreglass Overhead Console |
I have the same console. I can tell you that the instructions are not that good.
I will try and get to the hanger tomorrow and see if I still have them. If I
can find them I will get them posted here for you.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384288#384288
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Fibreglass Overhead Console |
Eric, I can't seem to get enough clearance with the front vents (Steins) as they
hit the cabin top when positioned in the front holes which re pre-recessed into
the fibreglass molding of the overhead console.
Any suggestions would be appreciated please?
I've considered positioning the front vents further aft.
Warm regards
Patrick
On 30/09/2012, at 12:28 PM, "Eric_Kallio" <scout019@msn.com> wrote:
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> I have the same console. I can tell you that the instructions are not that good.
I will try and get to the hanger tomorrow and see if I still have them. If
I can find them I will get them posted here for you.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384288#384288
>
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