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1. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage (Pascal)
2. 08:37 AM - Upper edge holes in firewall. (Ron Walker)
3. 09:16 AM - Re: Upper edge holes in firewall. (tsts4)
4. 12:49 PM - Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage (Ben Westfall)
5. 01:09 PM - Re: RV-10 Fibreglass Overhead Console (Eric_Kallio)
6. 01:46 PM - Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage (Bill Watson)
7. 02:17 PM - RV10 COWL (mds4878)
8. 03:50 PM - Parking brake alternative (Bob Turner)
9. 04:57 PM - Re: Parking brake alternative - now including towbars (Bill Watson)
10. 05:16 PM - Re: Parking brake alternative - now including towbars (Bob Turner)
11. 11:03 PM - Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
12. 11:07 PM - Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Extras in Fuselage |
I am quite surprised that Tim, who has traveled the country does not see
a need for a parking brake. I don=99t travel near enough in
comparison and I have already used mine 4 times. It=99s insurance,
it=99s easy to do while building and good to have if ever needed,
if one flies alone often, ask yourself what you=99ll do if you are
in a parking spot that has an incline. We go camping at a airport that
is like this, if you want to camp there you need someone to get out and
chock the plane before getting out. I guess whenever mine starts to leak
I may need to determine what to do next, but thankfully there has been
no issues with mine. I apply it, get out of the plane, chock the plane
and release the parking brake. If I don=99t need it 98% of the
time I don=99t use it, but glad to have it when I need it.
From: Albert Gardner
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 9:16 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I landed at Shelby Montana for gas one breezy day. Taxied up to the SS
pump and gassed up. Went into the shack there to sign their log
(unattended airport) and when I came out the plane had turned 180 deg.
By good luck the nose wheel was hard over and the spin didn=99t
cause the tail or wings to strike anything. I now have a parking brake
and always use it.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Brunkenhoefer
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I have had the same experience as Tim and Jesse. I could have used it 1
time in 400 hrs. Robert
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 29, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
wrote:
I'm with Tim on this. I have only had a couple of times where I
thought it would be nice to have a parking brake. I've never been in a
spot where I had any trouble without one.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:25 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@live.com> wrote:
I use the parking brake more than I ever thought I would. Last time
was to hold the plane steady while I chocked it in place. Not having the
brake would have resulted in a moving plane on the slight incline.
I am glad I installed mine. I use it!
From: Robin Marks
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:10 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I enjoy having my Parking Brakes on both the 8 & 10. Very simple,
light and relatively inexpensive. Worth the minor effort in my opinion.
Robin
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 5:05 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I had an RV-4 for ~500 hours and a RV-10 for ~100 hours and I've
never had a parking brake either. For me it was just added cost,
complexity, weight, and more potential brake fluid leak paths....
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com> wrote:
Just to represent the other side of the parking brake question, I
have ~150 hours and have never had a circumstance where I wish I had a
parking brake.
-Rob
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Pulis
<rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Carlos,
I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require
more airflow (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted access
hatches to enable me to get into the tunnel to service the fuel pump and
consider antenna placement before you close up the floors.
Warm regards from Oz
Patrick
On 29/09/2012, at 8:24 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
wrote:
Thanks Bob
I already had thought of that, so I plan to put 1 or 2 big
conduits. Do they have to go from the tail cone, behind the baggage
bulkhead, all the way through the instrument panel?
However, what I meant for Extras to put in the fuselage, I was
referring to gizmos not included in the kit, like a parking brake valve
or some cockpit lights, or something else.
Carlos
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| Subject: | Upper edge holes in firewall. |
On the firewall for the 10, there are two holes in the firewall, upper
2/3 area, near both the left and right sides. Each hole gets a snap
bushing of size SB625-8. I don't have the finish kit yet, but thus far
don't see what the intended usage is for these holes. Any clues ?
--Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Upper edge holes in firewall. |
IIRC The one on pilot's side is for wiring (Mag P-lead, Alt field, etc). The one
on the co-pilot side is for a manifold pressure hose if using Van's MP guage.
I'm personally using that one for all of my engine instrumentation wiring
associated with my EFIS's engine management system.
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aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace
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| Subject: | Re: Extras in Fuselage |
I=99d turn the plane sideways under power and/or taxi it to some
place where I can plant a wheel where it won=99t be as likely to
roll (grass or what have you). I recall needing the inop parking brake
in my Cessna once in 600 or so hours. I don=99t recall what I did
though when needing it though so it must have been a non event. I would
definitely use a parking brake in the 10 if installed but I chose not to
install one in my in progress kit.
-Ben
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I am quite surprised that Tim, who has traveled the country does not see
a need for a parking brake. I don=99t travel near enough in
comparison and I have already used mine 4 times. It=99s insurance,
it=99s easy to do while building and good to have if ever needed,
if one flies alone often, ask yourself what you=99ll do if you are
in a parking spot that has an incline. We go camping at a airport that
is like this, if you want to camp there you need someone to get out and
chock the plane before getting out. I guess whenever mine starts to leak
I may need to determine what to do next, but thankfully there has been
no issues with mine. I apply it, get out of the plane, chock the plane
and release the parking brake. If I don=99t need it 98% of the
time I don=99t use it, but glad to have it when I need it.
From: Albert Gardner <mailto:ibspud@roadrunner.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 9:16 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I landed at Shelby Montana for gas one breezy day. Taxied up to the SS
pump and gassed up. Went into the shack there to sign their log
(unattended airport) and when I came out the plane had turned 180 deg.
By good luck the nose wheel was hard over and the spin didn=99t
cause the tail or wings to strike anything. I now have a parking brake
and always use it.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Brunkenhoefer
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I have had the same experience as Tim and Jesse. I could have used it 1
time in 400 hrs. Robert
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 29, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
wrote:
I'm with Tim on this. I have only had a couple of times where I thought
it would be nice to have a parking brake. I've never been in a spot
where I had any trouble without one.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:25 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@live.com> wrote:
I use the parking brake more than I ever thought I would. Last time was
to hold the plane steady while I chocked it in place. Not having the
brake would have resulted in a moving plane on the slight incline.
I am glad I installed mine. I use it!
From: Robin Marks <mailto:robin@painttheweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:10 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I enjoy having my Parking Brakes on both the 8 & 10. Very simple, light
and relatively inexpensive. Worth the minor effort in my opinion.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 5:05 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I had an RV-4 for ~500 hours and a RV-10 for ~100 hours and I've never
had a parking brake either. For me it was just added cost, complexity,
weight, and more potential brake fluid leak paths....
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com> wrote:
Just to represent the other side of the parking brake question, I have
~150 hours and have never had a circumstance where I wish I had a
parking brake.
-Rob
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Pulis
<rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Carlos,
I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require more
airflow (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted access hatches
to enable me to get into the tunnel to service the fuel pump and
consider antenna placement before you close up the floors.
Warm regards from Oz
Patrick
On 29/09/2012, at 8:24 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
Thanks Bob
I already had thought of that, so I plan to put 1 or 2 big conduits. Do
they have to go from the tail cone, behind the baggage bulkhead, all the
way through the instrument panel?
However, what I meant for Extras to put in the fuselage, I was referring
to gizmos not included in the kit, like a parking brake valve or some
cockpit lights, or something else.
Carlos
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
> Sent: sexta-feira, 28 de Setembro de 2012 20:08
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
>
>
> Before riveting the baggage floor you'll need to pull wires (or lay
conduit). Put in
> extras or allow for pulling more, people always underestimate how many
they'll
> need.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Fibreglass Overhead Console |
Patrick, I dug through the hanger and the garage and do not have the 'instructions'
for the overhead. You aren't missing much though by way of guidance from
them though. On my installation I had no issue with the vent clearance. I tried
to attach a close up picture of my vent so you could compare. Were I really
had trouble was the joggle on the canopy cover over the back seats. Not even close
is an understatement. Not only was it not in the ballpark, but we were playing
different sports. I had to do remove the sides for about 8 inches forward
and aft of the joggle and reshape it all. Minor work in the grand scheme of
things. I did not however have an issue with clearance. With the vents installed
there is no restriction of movement and with about 3/4" between the vent and
the canopy I get plenty of airflow. Never had the vents fully open in cruise.
Getting a whole lot of air out of them. Feel free to PM me if there are any
specifics I can try to help you with.
Eric
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| Subject: | Re: Extras in Fuselage |
Full Disclosure - I have a parking brake and had one on my Maule. I
like it on the '10 after the leak was fixed.
A parking brake is just a tool, an accessory. Differential braking is a
requirement, a parking brake is optional. A parking brake can leak,
possibly fail, possibly cause future failures, it has weight, it can be
misused.
Without it, you may not park in a certain place or you may re-orient the
plane. You'll probably carry chocks. In any case you will easily work
around not having it. No problem.
With it, you can use it to encourage the plane not to move in certain
situations. You can generally leave the chocks at home. You'll use it a
lot when you don't need it. It may save your bacon one day but probably
not. It is just a convenience. It may cause you to cancel a flight
because it malfunctions in some way.
It's like GPS or cockpit weather - we flew with out that stuff but we
can do more with that stuff. Actually it's not like either of them
because a parking brake isn't going to enable any flights you wouldn't
otherwise make. It doesn't really make anything safer. It's just a
convenience. More than a cup holder, much less than a tow bar.
I was thinking about how one should decide what accessories to put in
and which ones to leave out. I like all the ones I have. I don't need
any of the ones I didn't put in. So much for that decision process.
Bill "very happy" Watson
On 10/1/2012 3:46 PM, Ben Westfall wrote:
>
> Id turn the plane sideways under power and/or taxi it to some place
> where I can plant a wheel where it wont be as likely to roll (grass
> or what have you). I recall needing the inop parking brake in my
> Cessna once in 600 or so hours. I dont recall what I did though when
> needing it though so it must have been a non event. I would
> definitely use a parking brake in the 10 if installed but I chose not
> to install one in my in progress kit.
>
> -Ben
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Pascal
> *Sent:* Monday, October 01, 2012 7:43 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage
>
> I am quite surprised that Tim, who has traveled the country does not
> see a need for a parking brake. I dont travel near enough in
> comparison and I have already used mine 4 times. Its insurance, its
> easy to do while building and good to have if ever needed, if one
> flies alone often, ask yourself what youll do if you are in a parking
> spot that has an incline. We go camping at a airport that is like
> this, if you want to camp there you need someone to get out and chock
> the plane before getting out. I guess whenever mine starts to leak I
> may need to determine what to do next, but thankfully there has been
> no issues with mine. I apply it, get out of the plane, chock the plane
> and release the parking brake. If I dont need it 98% of the time I
> dont use it, but glad to have it when I need it.
>
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Before I order the upper and lower cowl for my RV 10 I'm checking with everyone
out there to make sure somebody don't have one for sale? I need the upper and
lower cowl for a RV10.
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Fuselage almost done.
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| Subject: | Parking brake alternative |
There is an on-going thread about whether or not to install a parking brake. I
did not, but I can offer an alternative:
I put tabs on the front of my tow bar, as suggested by others, to use it as a rudder
gust lock. (tabs keep the bar from falling off the rudder pedals; handle
of towbar is against the seatback; lap belt holds it down.)
All you need to do is move the towbar up so it pushes on the right seat brakes.
I can do this while holding the brakes from the left seat. Yes, it does require
pre-planning, so the towbar is within reach.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Parking brake alternative - now including towbars |
I've been using my Bogi-Bar (04M -RV10) to do the same thing
http://bogertaviation.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=garden_flypage.tpl&product_id=3&category_id=3&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=23
I haven't modified it at all up to this point. With the bar collapsed,
I jam it into the bottom of the pedals and the front of the bottom seat
cushion. It has stayed in place so far but I'd like to add tabs to it
that would fit into the rudder pedals.
What I envisioned for tabs however, would not necessary still work if I
re-positioned it to the top of the brakes. So I'm wondering, 1) are you
using a Bogi Bar? and if so, 2) where do the tabs go? I'm curious not
because I want to actuate the brakes but because I don't think I have a
clear idea of where the tabs go and how they work.
BTW, for awhile I was snaking the control stick up thru the Bogi Bar so
as to get some elevator and aileron locking. It seemed to work but I
never really tested it to see if it was firm enough to prevent any kink
of 'flutter' that may occur in higher winds. Now I just push the stick
over to one side. I'm thinking of adding a strap to hold the stick so
that the elevator and ailerons are also secured. Anyone doing this?
Thoughts?
Bill Watson
On 10/1/2012 6:49 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
> There is an on-going thread about whether or not to install a parking brake.
I did not, but I can offer an alternative:
>
> I put tabs on the front of my tow bar, as suggested by others, to use it as a
rudder gust lock. (tabs keep the bar from falling off the rudder pedals; handle
of towbar is against the seatback; lap belt holds it down.)
>
> All you need to do is move the towbar up so it pushes on the right seat brakes.
I can do this while holding the brakes from the left seat. Yes, it does require
pre-planning, so the towbar is within reach.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
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| Subject: | Re: Parking brake alternative - now including towbars |
Yes I have the Boggert bar.
Tabs: If you visualize the bar attached to the nose wheel, the tabs are on top
of the bar, protruding aft, beyond where the bar turns in toward the nose wheel.
I just used some scrap aluminum and a couple of hose clamps on each side. I
know some have welded them on. The tab goes over the rudder and under the brake
(unless I'm using it as a parking brake, them the tabs go over the brake pedals)
and keep the bar from falling down if the pedals move a little in the wind.
I use the full extension against the seat back. Due to the slope of the seat
back, as I pull the lap belt tight around the towbar it makes the towbar push
forward, against the pedals.
I put some foam pipe insulation around the triangular opening in the towbar, just
before where the handle pin is. I insert the control stick thru this opening,
the foam provides some padding. Then I use the lap belt for the other front
seat to pull the sticks aft, against the padding, to minimize movement in the
wind.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
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Send an email message to:
rv10-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
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*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
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When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
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*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
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Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "rv10-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the RV10-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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Recent messages posted to the RV10-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/rv10-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all RV10-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
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In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the RV10-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* RV10-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the RV10-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* RV10-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the RV10-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?RV10
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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*** List Support Contributions ***
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The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
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Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
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Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
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If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
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Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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