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1. 03:20 PM - OT - Missing procedures in Jeppesen Navdata for G430w (Bill Watson)
2. 03:50 PM - Re: OT - Missing procedures in Jeppesen Navdata for G430w (Seano)
3. 08:34 PM - Alert: Slick Mags (Kelly McMullen)
4. 08:52 PM - Re: OT - Missing procedures in Jeppesen Navdata for G430w (Kelly McMullen)
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| Subject: | OT - Missing procedures in Jeppesen Navdata for G430w |
A couple of days ago, we had perfect weather for some IFR proficiency
work. Ceilings starting at 300AGL to 1,000AGL in the morning, sloped
across the local area and slowing rising to an even 1,200 by evening.
My 4th approach of the day was into KHNZ where I requested and was
immediately cleared for the RNAV Rwy 6. Having briefed the approach
using Foreflight on my iPad, I proceeded to dial it up on the G430 and
whoa, no approach! My choice was the Loc 6 or the RNAV 24. It was
easier to just fly the RNAV 24 downwind and circle for Rwy 6 for the
full stop.
What happened? All my DBs were current. There weren't any NOTAMs
concerning the approach and ATC cleared me for it, but I could not fly it.
I called Jepp today and found out that:
1. Jeppesen routinely "opts out" of including a number of approaches
each Nav Data cycle
2. These are usually older and/or more exotic approaches, e.g. circling
approach with an RF leg. But not always.
3. Often the omissions are due to an FAA change that makes the approach
"unprogrammable" without additional changes.
4. Usually, approaches that Jepp opts out of, are NOTAM'd out of
commission. But not always.
5. It is possible to have a published RNAV approach, appear in all
publications including Jeppesen paper and electronic reference
products, but not be included in the navigation database for the G430
6. There's no way to identify such omissions other than to attempt to
load the procedure on the G430
I just didn't expect that.
Bill Watson
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: OT - Missing procedures in Jeppesen Navdata for G430w |
I noticed you also need to make sure it is not for "jet aircraft" since some
of the STARS and SIDS are specific for them.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 11, 2012, at 15:20, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> A couple of days ago, we had perfect weather for some IFR proficiency work
. Ceilings starting at 300AGL to 1,000AGL in the morning, sloped across the
local area and slowing rising to an even 1,200 by evening.
>
> My 4th approach of the day was into KHNZ where I requested and was immedia
tely cleared for the RNAV Rwy 6. Having briefed the approach using Foreflig
ht on my iPad, I proceeded to dial it up on the G430 and whoa, no approach!
My choice was the Loc 6 or the RNAV 24. It was easier to just fly the RNAV
24 downwind and circle for Rwy 6 for the full stop.
>
> What happened? All my DBs were current. There weren't any NOTAMs concern
ing the approach and ATC cleared me for it, but I could not fly it.
>
> I called Jepp today and found out that:
> Jeppesen routinely "opts out" of including a number of approaches each Nav
Data cycle
> These are usually older and/or more exotic approaches, e.g. circling appro
ach with an RF leg. But not always.
> Often the omissions are due to an FAA change that makes the approach "unpr
ogrammable" without additional changes.
> Usually, approaches that Jepp opts out of, are NOTAM'd out of commission.
But not always.
> It is possible to have a published RNAV approach, appear in all publicatio
ns including Jeppesen paper and electronic reference products, but not be in
cluded in the navigation database for the G430
> There's no way to identify such omissions other than to attempt to load th
e procedure on the G430
> I just didn't expect that.
>
> Bill Watson
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Alert: Slick Mags |
>From a Beech list
A buddy who just bought a set call me today that Quality Aircraft
Accessories has sold an unknown number of new Slick mags and the customers
are finding that after installation there is is little or no mag drop.
Quality is asking customers to return mags for check of the internal
timing.
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| Subject: | Re: OT - Missing procedures in Jeppesen Navdata for G430w |
Sounds like complaints are in order to Jeppesen, Garmin and FAA. You are
paying to have ALL approaches available and current, and they are providing
you less than what they described as their product. FAA isn't giving you
any other choice and is certifying the product, which is clearly defective.
JMHO.
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> A couple of days ago, we had perfect weather for some IFR proficiency
> work. Ceilings starting at 300AGL to 1,000AGL in the morning, sloped
> across the local area and slowing rising to an even 1,200 by evening.
>
> My 4th approach of the day was into KHNZ where I requested and was
> immediately cleared for the RNAV Rwy 6. Having briefed the approach using
> Foreflight on my iPad, I proceeded to dial it up on the G430 and whoa, no
> approach! My choice was the Loc 6 or the RNAV 24. It was easier to just
> fly the RNAV 24 downwind and circle for Rwy 6 for the full stop.
>
> What happened? All my DBs were current. There weren't any NOTAMs
> concerning the approach and ATC cleared me for it, but I could not fly it.
>
> I called Jepp today and found out that:
>
> 1. Jeppesen routinely "opts out" of including a number of approaches
> each Nav Data cycle
> 2. These are usually older and/or more exotic approaches, e.g.
> circling approach with an RF leg. But not always.
> 3. Often the omissions are due to an FAA change that makes the
> approach "unprogrammable" without additional changes.
> 4. Usually, approaches that Jepp opts out of, are NOTAM'd out of
> commission. But not always.
> 5. It is possible to have a published RNAV approach, appear in all
> publications including Jeppesen paper and electronic reference products,
> but not be included in the navigation database for the G430
> 6. There's no way to identify such omissions other than to attempt to
> load the procedure on the G430
>
> I just didn't expect that.
>
> Bill Watson
> do not archive
>
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>
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