---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/11/12: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:20 PM - OT - Missing procedures in Jeppesen Navdata for G430w (Bill Watson) 2. 03:50 PM - Re: OT - Missing procedures in Jeppesen Navdata for G430w (Seano) 3. 08:34 PM - Alert: Slick Mags (Kelly McMullen) 4. 08:52 PM - Re: OT - Missing procedures in Jeppesen Navdata for G430w (Kelly McMullen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:20:56 PM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: RV10-List: OT - Missing procedures in Jeppesen Navdata for G430w A couple of days ago, we had perfect weather for some IFR proficiency work. Ceilings starting at 300AGL to 1,000AGL in the morning, sloped across the local area and slowing rising to an even 1,200 by evening. My 4th approach of the day was into KHNZ where I requested and was immediately cleared for the RNAV Rwy 6. Having briefed the approach using Foreflight on my iPad, I proceeded to dial it up on the G430 and whoa, no approach! My choice was the Loc 6 or the RNAV 24. It was easier to just fly the RNAV 24 downwind and circle for Rwy 6 for the full stop. What happened? All my DBs were current. There weren't any NOTAMs concerning the approach and ATC cleared me for it, but I could not fly it. I called Jepp today and found out that: 1. Jeppesen routinely "opts out" of including a number of approaches each Nav Data cycle 2. These are usually older and/or more exotic approaches, e.g. circling approach with an RF leg. But not always. 3. Often the omissions are due to an FAA change that makes the approach "unprogrammable" without additional changes. 4. Usually, approaches that Jepp opts out of, are NOTAM'd out of commission. But not always. 5. It is possible to have a published RNAV approach, appear in all publications including Jeppesen paper and electronic reference products, but not be included in the navigation database for the G430 6. There's no way to identify such omissions other than to attempt to load the procedure on the G430 I just didn't expect that. Bill Watson do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - Missing procedures in Jeppesen Navdata for G430w From: Seano I noticed you also need to make sure it is not for "jet aircraft" since some of the STARS and SIDS are specific for them. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 11, 2012, at 15:20, Bill Watson wrote: > A couple of days ago, we had perfect weather for some IFR proficiency work . Ceilings starting at 300AGL to 1,000AGL in the morning, sloped across the local area and slowing rising to an even 1,200 by evening. > > My 4th approach of the day was into KHNZ where I requested and was immedia tely cleared for the RNAV Rwy 6. Having briefed the approach using Foreflig ht on my iPad, I proceeded to dial it up on the G430 and whoa, no approach! My choice was the Loc 6 or the RNAV 24. It was easier to just fly the RNAV 24 downwind and circle for Rwy 6 for the full stop. > > What happened? All my DBs were current. There weren't any NOTAMs concern ing the approach and ATC cleared me for it, but I could not fly it. > > I called Jepp today and found out that: > Jeppesen routinely "opts out" of including a number of approaches each Nav Data cycle > These are usually older and/or more exotic approaches, e.g. circling appro ach with an RF leg. But not always. > Often the omissions are due to an FAA change that makes the approach "unpr ogrammable" without additional changes. > Usually, approaches that Jepp opts out of, are NOTAM'd out of commission. But not always. > It is possible to have a published RNAV approach, appear in all publicatio ns including Jeppesen paper and electronic reference products, but not be in cluded in the navigation database for the G430 > There's no way to identify such omissions other than to attempt to load th e procedure on the G430 > I just didn't expect that. > > Bill Watson > do not archive > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:19 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Alert: Slick Mags From: Kelly McMullen >From a Beech list A buddy who just bought a set call me today that Quality Aircraft Accessories has sold an unknown number of new Slick mags and the customers are finding that after installation there is is little or no mag drop. Quality is asking customers to return mags for check of the internal timing. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - Missing procedures in Jeppesen Navdata for G430w From: Kelly McMullen Sounds like complaints are in order to Jeppesen, Garmin and FAA. You are paying to have ALL approaches available and current, and they are providing you less than what they described as their product. FAA isn't giving you any other choice and is certifying the product, which is clearly defective. JMHO. On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Bill Watson wrote: > A couple of days ago, we had perfect weather for some IFR proficiency > work. Ceilings starting at 300AGL to 1,000AGL in the morning, sloped > across the local area and slowing rising to an even 1,200 by evening. > > My 4th approach of the day was into KHNZ where I requested and was > immediately cleared for the RNAV Rwy 6. Having briefed the approach using > Foreflight on my iPad, I proceeded to dial it up on the G430 and whoa, no > approach! My choice was the Loc 6 or the RNAV 24. It was easier to just > fly the RNAV 24 downwind and circle for Rwy 6 for the full stop. > > What happened? All my DBs were current. There weren't any NOTAMs > concerning the approach and ATC cleared me for it, but I could not fly it. > > I called Jepp today and found out that: > > 1. Jeppesen routinely "opts out" of including a number of approaches > each Nav Data cycle > 2. These are usually older and/or more exotic approaches, e.g. > circling approach with an RF leg. But not always. > 3. Often the omissions are due to an FAA change that makes the > approach "unprogrammable" without additional changes. > 4. Usually, approaches that Jepp opts out of, are NOTAM'd out of > commission. But not always. > 5. It is possible to have a published RNAV approach, appear in all > publications including Jeppesen paper and electronic reference products, > but not be included in the navigation database for the G430 > 6. There's no way to identify such omissions other than to attempt to > load the procedure on the G430 > > I just didn't expect that. > > Bill Watson > do not archive > > * > > * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.