RV10-List Digest Archive

Sat 10/13/12


Total Messages Posted: 10



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 05:02 AM - Home made center console? (Michael Kraus)
     2. 06:44 AM - Re: Home made center console? (Jesse Saint)
     3. 06:44 AM - Re: Home made center console? (Chris)
     4. 07:28 AM - Re: Home made center console? (Chris)
     5. 09:38 AM - Re: Home made center console? (Robin Marks)
     6. 11:18 AM - Re: Home Made Center Console? (Tim Farrell)
     7. 11:55 AM - Re: Home made center console? (Bill Watson)
     8. 12:13 PM - Panel Completed - Photo (Phillip Perry)
     9. 12:43 PM - Re: Homemade center console? (Carl Froehlich)
    10. 07:13 PM - Re: Panel Completed - Photo (Robin Marks)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:02:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Home made center console?
    From: Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
    Has anyone made a nice home made center console out of aluminum? I want to make something retrofittable to my flying aircraft. Thinking it will screw into the tunnel cover between the seats and be carpeted on the sides to match. A cup holder or two would be nice. Of course it would double as an arm rest and storage. -Mike Kraus RV-10 flying Sent from my iPhone


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    Time: 06:44:25 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Home made center console?
    From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
    I have. I'll see if I can find some pictures this week. I don't have cup holders, but it works great for storage and an armrest. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org www.mavericklsa.com C: 352-427-0285 O: 352-465-4545 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 8:01 AM, Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> wrote: > > Has anyone made a nice home made center console out of aluminum? I want to make something retrofittable to my flying aircraft. Thinking it will screw into the tunnel cover between the seats and be carpeted on the sides to match. A cup holder or two would be nice. Of course it would double as an arm rest and storage. > > -Mike Kraus > RV-10 flying > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >


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    Time: 06:44:30 AM PST US
    From: Chris <toaster73@embarqmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Home made center console?
    Mike, I will let you determine if what I did is nice. It is .060 aluminum (i think, same as panel) riveted together with angles on the inside. It also has headset jacks in the front and a power outlet in the back. Not pictured is the armrest pad on top. I did not ever cover it in carpet or cloth I left the sides polished aluminum. There are angles on the bottom which 4 bolts go through to nutplates on the tunnel cover. To remove the console I just reach inside it and remove the 4 bolts. Since headset jack wiring is inside I have a CPC to disconnect that wiring and the power outlet. More photos upon request. -Chris Lucas N919AR Subject: RV10-List: Home made center console? Has anyone made a nice home made center console out of aluminum? I want to make something retrofittable to my flying aircraft. Thinking it will screw into the tunnel cover between the seats and be carpeted on the sides to match. A cup holder or two would be nice. Of course it would double as an arm rest and storage. -Mike Kraus RV-10 flying Sent from my iPhone


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    Time: 07:28:20 AM PST US
    From: "Chris" <toaster73@embarqmail.com>
    Subject: Home made center console?
    Another picture. Also I used the angle on the bottom so I could drill different positioning holes if I didn't like where it ended up fore and aft. -Chris -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 9:44 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Home made center console? Mike, I will let you determine if what I did is nice. It is .060 aluminum (i think, same as panel) riveted together with angles on the inside. It also has headset jacks in the front and a power outlet in the back. Not pictured is the armrest pad on top. I did not ever cover it in carpet or cloth I left the sides polished aluminum. There are angles on the bottom which 4 bolts go through to nutplates on the tunnel cover. To remove the console I just reach inside it and remove the 4 bolts. Since headset jack wiring is inside I have a CPC to disconnect that wiring and the power outlet. More photos upon request. -Chris Lucas N919AR Subject: RV10-List: Home made center console? <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> Has anyone made a nice home made center console out of aluminum? I want to make something retrofittable to my flying aircraft. Thinking it will screw into the tunnel cover between the seats and be carpeted on the sides to match. A cup holder or two would be nice. Of course it would double as an arm rest and storage. -Mike Kraus RV-10 flying Sent from my iPhone


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    Time: 09:38:49 AM PST US
    From: Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
    Subject: Home made center console?
    Michael, We made a center console that sits rather aft and is not used for storage or for holding beverages. Our console houses 4 - O2 front & rear plus the master O2 controller & two 12V receptacles plus some switching for an AV system that I have since abandoned and replaced with iPads. I am mentioning this w/o photos (sorry) to bring up one point. The center console in this area conflicts with my Hooker seat belts in that it is extremely difficult to adjust the inner Lap Strap for both the pilot & co-pilot due to the tight quarters of seat/hip/console/belt adjuster. Now this is also partially due to the extra thick, stiff & tight fitting Hooker strap mechanism. I had hoped that the belts would loosen up a bit but at 330 hours they are still as difficult to adjust as day 1. I just wanted to point out an unintended consequence of adding a structure to this area. I do however think that if I had the Crow belts like in my 8A or the standard Vans belts that this would not be nearly as challenging to adjust the lap belts. On a similar topic I have assisted a friend with some RV-10 flight training over the last few months. In his cockpit he has a forward throttle quadrant console that is rather wide when compared to my home brewed throttle console assembly. It looks beautiful but in reality the wide fiberglass throttle quadrant limits the pilots right knee movement and in flight my knee naturally hits the side of this fiberglass assembly 100% of the time. Same for the co-pilots side but less critical IMO. I personally prefer a bit more knee clearance during cross country flights. Again just something to consider. Robin -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 5:02 AM Subject: RV10-List: Home made center console? --> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> Has anyone made a nice home made center console out of aluminum? I want to make something retrofittable to my flying aircraft. Thinking it will screw into the tunnel cover between the seats and be carpeted on the sides to match. A cup holder or two would be nice. Of course it would double as an arm rest and storage. -Mike Kraus RV-10 flying Sent from my iPhone


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    Time: 11:18:32 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Home Made Center Console?
    From: Tim Farrell <motoracer@gmail.com>
    We have a console that we are currently making a kit out of. It is based on housing a four place Aerox oxygen system in the bottom and has two storage a reas on the top. The really nice and custom features of this console lie in t he integrated, semi-permanent mounting of the oxygen bottle, gauge and line c onnector. Once we have that fully developed we will offer a version that is just a console. I'll post some pictures of what we will be offering on Mond ay. It attaches to the tunnel cover with four piano hinges. The first one or two kits will most likely be available fully assembled. Tim Farrell Aircrafters 140 Aviation Way Watsonville,CA 95076 831-722-9141 www.aircraftersllc.com Sent from my iPad


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    Time: 11:55:13 AM PST US
    From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Home made center console?
    Well no, not aluminum. But FYI, I've been working on a composite console designed to house an Aerox E cylinder and a 4 outlet head. Design points included: * Easily removable tank to facilitate filling * Easily removable console just in case you don't want it there * Space to store tubing and cannulas * Storage space for knick knacks * A minimal footprint in all dimensions so that the seat belts are easily accessible, leg room isn't unduly restricted Attached is pic of the plug. I've molded up a couple and am working on the details. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ckyjqufebfhk7a1/IMAG0418.jpg (left end is the front and is located just behind fuel valve) I have no plans to produce them for sale but will probably end up with a couple of spare pieces. Bill "fun with composites" Watson On 10/13/2012 8:01 AM, Michael Kraus wrote: > > Has anyone made a nice home made center console out of aluminum? I want to make something retrofittable to my flying aircraft. Thinking it will screw into the tunnel cover between the seats and be carpeted on the sides to match. A cup holder or two would be nice. Of course it would double as an arm rest and storage. > > -Mike Kraus > RV-10 flying > >


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    Time: 12:13:22 PM PST US
    Subject: Panel Completed - Photo
    From: Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com>
    I got a photo of our panel from Aerotronics. We are replacing the white capped switch with a black one, but other than that this is the finalized configuration. We=92ve been working on this for the past 18 months and I=92m really happy with the final results. We got exactly what I wanted with regards to equipment, a professional layout, and the Aerotronics team was able eclipse my expectations with regards to functionality and resiliency. Some of their ideas for the design of the electrical system and integration of the components exceeded what I would have been able to come up with if I had rolled my own panel. So I=92m a very happy customer. The electrical system is dual buss/dual alternator/dual battery. The primary displays are the Garmin G3X with the GPS and XM options. I have a Dynon D6 that is backing it up for a rainy day. The audio panel is a PS Engineering 8000 BT. The GPS is the Garmin GTN-750. The second NAV/COM is a Garmin SL-30. The transponder is a remotely mounted (controlled through the G3X) Garmin GTX23 ES. The autopilot is the Garmin GX Pilot. The Dynon has a backup battery in it and we went ahead and put a TCW battery on the second DC input of the G3X too. All of the critical pieces of gear are attached to both busses. I=92m very happy with it from a resiliency perspective. At OSH this year, Garmin announced their GDL-88 ADS-B system that can be plugged in to the GTN750. So this panel is pre-wired for the GDL-88 system. The GDL 88 is not available yet, but when it becomes available we=92re ready to go by simply plugging it in. This will give me the abilit y to display TIS traffic / XM weather on the G3X display while simultaneously displaying ADB traffic/weather on the GTN750. The idea is to use both over the short-term and when I=92m satisfied with ADS-B coverage, I can get rid of the XM subscription all together. A few other things about the panel, it=92s has a built in CO detector. It also uses an AN-21 annunciator system (that=92s what is driving the small annunciator LED=92s on top). Also it includes the control head for a 4-Pla ce oxygen system. Needless to say, I=92m really happy with how the entire panel turned out an d the functionality/resiliency/modularity that it offers. This wasn=92t the easiest process for Aerotronics as I was wanting to do some unique things such as the burl woodgrain, but they worked with me all the way through the process and I think we ended up with a custom panel that we can both be proud of. Geoff Combs of Aerosport Products also deserves a word of thanks too for providing an attractive panel option for the RV-10. A higher resolution image can be found here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kbdc6wbvkbsetlf/Perry_Panel.jpg


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    Time: 12:43:05 PM PST US
    From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
    Subject: Homemade center console?
    I was going to back fit an armrest in the plane, but then found the top of the tunnel was a perfect place to mount a portable O2 system from Mountain High. Using the provided cylinder carrier and straps, you end up with a four buckle easy in/out install for the large O2 cylinder system (the AL-682). The straps attached to the in place tunnel cover screws so no need to add new holes. I used a tinnerman washer under the four screw heads. The provided carrier pockets store the O2 Pulse Demand unit on one side and the finger oximeter on the other. Tested up to 17.5K. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:02 AM Subject: RV10-List: Home made center console? --> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> Has anyone made a nice home made center console out of aluminum? I want to make something retrofittable to my flying aircraft. Thinking it will screw into the tunnel cover between the seats and be carpeted on the sides to match. A cup holder or two would be nice. Of course it would double as an arm rest and storage. -Mike Kraus RV-10 flying Sent from my iPhone


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    Time: 07:13:15 PM PST US
    From: Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
    Subject: Panel Completed - Photo
    Beautiful! You are going to love flying behind the G3x and the 750. What, n o wet compass? :-) Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:13 PM Subject: RV10-List: Panel Completed - Photo I got a photo of our panel from Aerotronics. We are replacing the white ca pped switch with a black one, but other than that this is the finalized con figuration. We've been working on this for the past 18 months and I'm really happy with the final results. We got exactly what I wanted with regards to equipment , a professional layout, and the Aerotronics team was able eclipse my expec tations with regards to functionality and resiliency. Some of their ideas for the design of the electrical system and integration of the components e xceeded what I would have been able to come up with if I had rolled my own panel. So I'm a very happy customer. The electrical system is dual buss/dual alternator/dual battery. The prima ry displays are the Garmin G3X with the GPS and XM options. I have a Dynon D6 that is backing it up for a rainy day. The audio panel is a PS Enginee ring 8000 BT. The GPS is the Garmin GTN-750. The second NAV/COM is a Garm in SL-30. The transponder is a remotely mounted (controlled through the G3 X) Garmin GTX23 ES. The autopilot is the Garmin GX Pilot. The Dynon has a backup battery in it and we went ahead and put a TCW batter y on the second DC input of the G3X too. All of the critical pieces of ge ar are attached to both busses. I'm very happy with it from a resiliency p erspective. At OSH this year, Garmin announced their GDL-88 ADS-B system that can be pl ugged in to the GTN750. So this panel is pre-wired for the GDL-88 system. The GDL 88 is not available yet, but when it becomes available we're ready to go by simply plugging it in. This will give me the ability to display TIS traffic / XM weather on the G3X display while simultaneously displaying ADB traffic/weather on the GTN750. The idea is to use both over the short -term and when I'm satisfied with ADS-B coverage, I can get rid of the XM s ubscription all together. A few other things about the panel, it's has a built in CO detector. It al so uses an AN-21 annunciator system (that's what is driving the small annun ciator LED's on top). Also it includes the control head for a 4-Place oxyg en system. Needless to say, I'm really happy with how the entire panel turned out and the functionality/resiliency/modularity that it offers. This wasn't the e asiest process for Aerotronics as I was wanting to do some unique things su ch as the burl woodgrain, but they worked with me all the way through the p rocess and I think we ended up with a custom panel that we can both be prou d of. Geoff Combs of Aerosport Products also deserves a word of thanks too for pr oviding an attractive panel option for the RV-10. A higher resolution image can be found here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kbdc6wbvkbsetlf/Perry_Panel.jpg [http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/539_4372771531373_693168032_n.j pg]




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