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1. 02:57 AM - Re: Optimal Temperatures and fuel burn (Tim Lewis)
2. 05:25 AM - Re: Optimal Temperatures and fuel burn (bill.peyton)
3. 06:09 AM - Variable Technologies - Node (Shannon Hicks)
4. 06:41 AM - Re: Variable Technologies - Node (Werner Schneider)
5. 07:00 AM - Re: Optimal Temperatures and fuel burn (Kelly McMullen)
6. 07:06 AM - Re: Optimal Temperatures and fuel burn (Pascal)
7. 07:20 AM - Re: Optimal Temperatures and fuel burn (Kelly McMullen)
8. 11:09 AM - Re: Optimal Temperatures and fuel burn (Don McDonald)
9. 12:27 PM - OT - Rod Hightower Resigns (jkreidler)
10. 12:40 PM - Re: OT - Rod Hightower Resigns (n801bh@netzero.com)
11. 07:02 PM - Re: OT - Rod Hightower Resigns (Michael Sausen)
12. 08:06 PM - Re: OT - Rod Hightower Resigns (Kelly McMullen)
13. 08:26 PM - Re: OT - Rod Hightower Resigns (Kyle Boatright)
14. 08:40 PM - Re: OT - Rod Hightower Resigns (Linn)
15. 08:58 PM - Re: OT - Rod Hightower Resigns (Nathan Harwood)
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| Subject: | Re: Optimal Temperatures and fuel burn |
Mike Busch's free webinars (hosted by EAA, link from
https://www.savvymx.com/index.php/webinar) address several points from
the post:
"The EGT Myth" addresses concerns about excessively high EGT:
http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1316946190001 (1420 is not "too hot.")
"Troubleshooting Engine Problems" has a wealth of good info:
http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=972961455001
"Flight Test Profiles" from January 2012 Sport Aviation includes mixture
distribution test and an airborne induction leak test (page 61).
I don't think 25-40 degree CHT spread is a problem. Depending on phase
of flight, my CHT temps are spread that high or higher.
Tim
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 1104 hrs - sold
RV-10 N31TD -- 350 hrs
AirMike said the following on 10/22/2012 1:26 AM:
>
> Not unusually, I have a hot #6 cylinder. It consistently shows CHT at about 25-40
degrees hot compared to the other cylinders. I always keep it under 400 degrees
even though Lycoming says up to 425 is ok. My EGT on #6 also runs hot at
1420 when the other cylinders are 1375. My oil is 168 in fall and 180 in winter.
What do you all consider excessively high EGT? I do not want to melt my exhaust
valves or pipes!
>
> Do you folks think that I should inhibit the air flow to the oil cooler to get
better cooling on #6.
>
> --------
> See you OSH '13
> Q/B - flying 3 yrs.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385771#385771
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Optimal Temperatures and fuel burn |
I have the same issue with number 5 CHT. It started out way to hot and slowly
came down during break-in. One of the things I did to help cool number 5 was
to loosen the outer lower baffle wrap-around and to add a 960-10 washer under
the rear baffle attachment screw. This created about a 1/4" gap around the back
of the cylinder and dropped my #5 CHT by 10 degrees.
Just for a data point. My #6 is the last to peak and it peaks at the highest temp.
It is also one of the coolest CHTs.
How many hours do you have on the engine? Go to Tim Olson's web site where he
has a little write-up on what he did to cool the CHTs. Also, check for that leak
in the intake tube as previously posted.
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Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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| Subject: | Variable Technologies - Node |
I remember reading some time ago about guys trying to determine the
differential pressure under the cowl and having to rig up water manometers
and such. This morning I saw a new product out on the market that could
potentially take care of this task as well as many others.
http://www.variabletech.com/products/
It has modules that you can purchase that perform different sensing tasks
and hooks to any iOS device via Bluetooth. It looks like a pretty cool
device to have laying around.
Shannon
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| Subject: | Re: Variable Technologies - Node |
Looks cool, but does it survive under the cowling?
I doubt ;)
Cheers Werner
On 22.10.2012 15:09, Shannon Hicks wrote:
> I remember reading some time ago about guys trying to determine the
> differential pressure under the cowl and having to rig up water
> manometers and such. This morning I saw a new product out on the market
> that could potentially take care of this task as well as many others.
>
> http://www.variabletech.com/products/
>
> It has modules that you can purchase that perform different sensing
> tasks and hooks to any iOS device via Bluetooth. It looks like a pretty
> cool device to have laying around.
>
> Shannon
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
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| Subject: | Re: Optimal Temperatures and fuel burn |
What is your peak EGT, and which cylinder is 1st to peak? What is the
spread of fuel flow from 1st cyl peak to last cyl peak?
EGT is NOT an absolute value and should not be treated as such. You
need to know where you are operating relative to peak. If running rich
of peak you should be 100 degrees rich of the 1st cyl to peak. If you
run lean of peak(and it doesn't sound like you are) you need to base
your lean of peak range from the LAST cyl to peak. If the spread from
1st to last to peak is more than 0.5 gph, you have either induction
problem or injector problem. If you get the mixtures balanced between
cylinders, and baffles are good, CHT issues will go away.
On 10/21/2012 10:26 PM, AirMike wrote:
>
> Not unusually, I have a hot #6 cylinder. It consistently shows CHT at about 25-40
degrees hot compared to the other cylinders. I always keep it under 400 degrees
even though Lycoming says up to 425 is ok. My EGT on #6 also runs hot at
1420 when the other cylinders are 1375. My oil is 168 in fall and 180 in winter.
What do you all consider excessively high EGT? I do not want to melt my exhaust
valves or pipes!
>
> Do you folks think that I should inhibit the air flow to the oil cooler to get
better cooling on #6.
>
> --------
> See you OSH '13
> Q/B - flying 3 yrs.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385771#385771
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Optimal Temperatures and fuel burn |
I have battled a similar issue. I have discovered that if you look at the
Lycoming manuals, "key operations" it will tell you that 400-435F is
"normal" for performance and takeoff, 400F for cruise. It will also tell you
that having a CHT spread of 100F is fine and not a bit issue. Most Lycomings
come pretty close to being able to lean them out of the box. I made one
tweak and mine engine is where GAMI says good enough.
Forget EGT's they mean nothing except for Leaning and engine
troubleshooting.
My #3 cylinder is 40F cooler than any other cyclinder. Was told by Eci that
is just fine.
My oil, more like 189-203 for me most of the time, but within the green arc
and below 220F, so once again told it's fine and normal.
Don't fret it, believe me, I have ! BTW if you listen or read a Mike Busch
article or webinar- IGNORE his if its at 400F do something now.. that is
just an unneccessary stress inducer, may be an issue for his Continental,
but both Lycoming and Eci told me it was NOT an issue at all.
Everything is within "normal" tolerances that you are seeing.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: AirMike
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 10:26 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Optimal Temperatures and fuel burn
Not unusually, I have a hot #6 cylinder. It consistently shows CHT at about
25-40 degrees hot compared to the other cylinders. I always keep it under
400 degrees even though Lycoming says up to 425 is ok. My EGT on #6 also
runs hot at 1420 when the other cylinders are 1375. My oil is 168 in fall
and 180 in winter. What do you all consider excessively high EGT? I do not
want to melt my exhaust valves or pipes!
Do you folks think that I should inhibit the air flow to the oil cooler to
get better cooling on #6.
--------
See you OSH '13
Q/B - flying 3 yrs.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385771#385771
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| Subject: | Re: Optimal Temperatures and fuel burn |
Lycoming is not known for good advice regarding engine management. These
are the same folks that say pilots are too inattentive/stupid to run
lean of peak.
Lycoming and TCM cylinders are made from the exact same alloy. The main
difference is that Lycoming uses sodium filled exhaust valve stems, and
TCM uses solid valve stems. Lycoming specifies approx 5 ft/lbs higher
spark plug torque, for no know reason.
So, the same thinking regarding CHT applies to both brand engines. The
hotter you let the cylinders get the weaker the metal gets and the more
it fatigues. Also, hotter cylinders are more prone to valve sticking and
excess valve guide wear. Prime example...Mooney TLS in first couple
model years had cylinders losing compression and other valve problems at
200-300 hours. Problem was that Mooney designed the cowling to provide
the pressure differential and CHT Lycoming said were OK. This engine
was the same as the RV-10 engine, with lower compression and a
turbo-charger added, for 270 hp rating, same parallel valve cylinders.
The fix was to incorporate positive oil flow to the outside of the valve
guides to cool them. Engines now do fine, but are very pricey to overhaul.
So, to make long story short, pay attention to what Advanced Pilot
Seminars, GAMI and Mike Busch have to say. They have test data to back
them. Lycoming recommendations are likely to lead to shorter engine life.
On 10/22/2012 7:05 AM, Pascal wrote:
>
> I have battled a similar issue. I have discovered that if you look at
> the Lycoming manuals, "key operations" it will tell you that 400-435F
> is "normal" for performance and takeoff, 400F for cruise. It will also
> tell you that having a CHT spread of 100F is fine and not a bit issue.
> Most Lycomings come pretty close to being able to lean them out of the
> box. I made one tweak and mine engine is where GAMI says good enough.
> Forget EGT's they mean nothing except for Leaning and engine
> troubleshooting.
> My #3 cylinder is 40F cooler than any other cyclinder. Was told by Eci
> that is just fine.
> My oil, more like 189-203 for me most of the time, but within the
> green arc and below 220F, so once again told it's fine and normal.
>
> Don't fret it, believe me, I have ! BTW if you listen or read a Mike
> Busch article or webinar- IGNORE his if its at 400F do something now..
> that is just an unneccessary stress inducer, may be an issue for his
> Continental, but both Lycoming and Eci told me it was NOT an issue at
> all.
> Everything is within "normal" tolerances that you are seeing.
> Pascal
>
> -----Original Message----- From: AirMike
> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 10:26 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Optimal Temperatures and fuel burn
>
>
> Not unusually, I have a hot #6 cylinder. It consistently shows CHT at
> about 25-40 degrees hot compared to the other cylinders. I always keep
> it under 400 degrees even though Lycoming says up to 425 is ok. My EGT
> on #6 also runs hot at 1420 when the other cylinders are 1375. My oil
> is 168 in fall and 180 in winter. What do you all consider excessively
> high EGT? I do not want to melt my exhaust valves or pipes!
>
> Do you folks think that I should inhibit the air flow to the oil
> cooler to get better cooling on #6.
>
> --------
> See you OSH '13
> Q/B - flying 3 yrs.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385771#385771
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Optimal Temperatures and fuel burn |
Only thing I can add to my good frieeeeend Pascal's comments... and noone e
lse seemed to answer your question.... Your oil temps are plenty low... so
yes, you could block off some of the flow to the oil cooler.- Best way is
a butterfly fly valve.- That emables you to be right on top of the entir
e temp issue all year long.- Especially since 168 is low and not good on
the engine.- If it came down to a choice of running a cht at 400, and oil
temp at 168 to 180...- vs.- cht at 385 and oil temps at 180 to 200....
I'd take the latter any day.=0AMy 5 cents worth=0A-=0ADon McDonald=0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Pascal <rv10flyer@live.com
>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, October 22, 2012 9:05 AM
=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Optimal Temperatures and fuel burn=0A =0A--> RV
10-List message posted by: "Pascal" <rv10flyer@live.com>=0A=0AI have battle
d a similar issue. I have discovered that if you look at the Lycoming manua
ls, "key operations" it will tell you that 400-435F is "normal" for perform
ance and takeoff, 400F for cruise. It will also tell you that having a CHT
spread of 100F is fine and not a bit issue. Most Lycomings come pretty clos
e to being able to lean them out of the box. I made one tweak and mine engi
ne is where GAMI says good enough.=0AForget EGT's they mean nothing except
for Leaning and engine troubleshooting.=0AMy #3 cylinder is 40F cooler than
any other cyclinder. Was told by Eci that is just fine.=0AMy oil, more lik
e 189-203 for me most of the time, but within the green arc and below 220F,
so once again told it's fine and normal.=0A=0ADon't fret it, believe me, I
have ! BTW if you listen or read a Mike Busch article or webinar- IGNORE h
is if its at 400F do something now.. that is just an unneccessary stress in
ducer, may be an issue for his Continental, but both Lycoming and Eci told
me it was NOT an issue at all.=0AEverything is within "normal" tolerances t
hat you are seeing.=0APascal=0A=0A-----Original Message----- From: AirMike
=0ASent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 10:26 PM=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0A
Subject: RV10-List: Optimal Temperatures and fuel burn=0A=0A--> RV10-List m
essage posted by: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>=0A=0ANot unusually, I ha
ve a hot #6 cylinder. It consistently shows CHT at about 25-40 degrees hot
compared to the other cylinders. I always keep it under 400 degrees even th
ough Lycoming says up to 425 is ok. My EGT on #6 also runs hot at 1420 when
the other cylinders are 1375. My oil is 168 in fall and 180 in winter. Wha
t do you all consider excessively high EGT? I do not want to melt my exhaus
t valves or pipes!=0A=0ADo you folks think that I should inhibit the air fl
ow to the oil cooler to get better cooling on #6.=0A=0A--------=0ASee you O
SH '13=0AQ/B - flying 3 yrs.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A
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| Subject: | OT - Rod Hightower Resigns |
Looks like Hightower has decided to step down. Too much of a disruption to his
family to move them up from St. Louis.
--------
Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
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| Subject: | Re: OT - Rod Hightower Resigns |
THANK GOD !!!!!!!!
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "jkreidler" <jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
Subject: RV10-List: OT - Rod Hightower Resigns
.com>
Looks like Hightower has decided to step down. Too much of a disruption
to his family to move them up from St. Louis.
--------
Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
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| Subject: | OT - Rod Hightower Resigns |
I saw that right as I was stepping on an airplane but just now got a chance to
read it. Sounds like a way for him to "gracefully" step down. You don't have
a career that he has and take that kind of job without having thought through
the family issues. Now if they get rid of J Mac we'll be 2 for 2!
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkreidler
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 2:27 PM
Subject: RV10-List: OT - Rod Hightower Resigns
--> <jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
Looks like Hightower has decided to step down. Too much of a disruption to his
family to move them up from St. Louis.
--------
Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler N44YH - Flying - #40617
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| Subject: | Re: OT - Rod Hightower Resigns |
Turns out that relocation was in fact a condition of his employment. The
board apparently did not budge on that and he blinked.
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:26 PM, jkreidler
<jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>wrote:
> jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
>
> Looks like Hightower has decided to step down. Too much of a disruption
> to his family to move them up from St. Louis.
>
> --------
> Jason Kreidler
> 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
> N44YH - Flying - #40617
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385801#385801
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT - Rod Hightower Resigns |
Heck, keep him, just lay down the law to him regarding appropriate content
in Sport Aviation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Sausen" <michael@sausen.net>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:00 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT - Rod Hightower Resigns
>
> I saw that right as I was stepping on an airplane but just now got a
> chance to read it. Sounds like a way for him to "gracefully" step down.
> You don't have a career that he has and take that kind of job without
> having thought through the family issues. Now if they get rid of J Mac
> we'll be 2 for 2!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkreidler
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 2:27 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: OT - Rod Hightower Resigns
>
> --> <jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
>
> Looks like Hightower has decided to step down. Too much of a disruption
> to his family to move them up from St. Louis.
>
> --------
> Jason Kreidler
> 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler N44YH - Flying -
> #40617
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385801#385801
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT - Rod Hightower Resigns |
I couldn't agree more. My Sport Aviation has morphed into Flying. I
really don't see much value in continuing my EAA membership since I get
aggravated every month when the magazine arrives. The only think
keeping me right now is Young Eagles .... but I'm close to dropping that
too.
Linn
On 10/22/2012 11:25 PM, Kyle Boatright wrote:
> <kboatright1@comcast.net>
>
> Heck, keep him, just lay down the law to him regarding appropriate
> content in Sport Aviation.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Sausen" <michael@sausen.net>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:00 PM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT - Rod Hightower Resigns
>
>
>>
>> I saw that right as I was stepping on an airplane but just now got a
>> chance to read it. Sounds like a way for him to "gracefully" step
>> down. You don't have a career that he has and take that kind of job
>> without having thought through the family issues. Now if they get
>> rid of J Mac we'll be 2 for 2!
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkreidler
>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 2:27 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: OT - Rod Hightower Resigns
>>
>> --> <jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
>>
>> Looks like Hightower has decided to step down. Too much of a
>> disruption to his family to move them up from St. Louis.
>>
>> --------
>> Jason Kreidler
>> 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
>> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler N44YH - Flying -
>> #40617
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385801#385801
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT - Rod Hightower Resigns |
I'm surprised nobody here has mentioned the Jack Pelton effect. Do we
really believe this is about a disagreement regarding relocation?
Headline from AVweb:
"In a surprise announcement Monday, EAA president and CEO Rod Hightower
said he was stepping down effective immediately. The decision came
following an EAA board of directors meeting in which former Cessna CEO Jack
Pelton was elected chairman. EAA spokesman Dick Knapinski said Pelton will
oversee the search for a new president for the organization. "I will be
working closely with the EAA board of directors to ensure a seamless
transition to a new leader," Pelton said."
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Linn <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I couldn't agree more. My Sport Aviation has morphed into Flying. I
> really don't see much value in continuing my EAA membership since I get
> aggravated every month when the magazine arrives. The only think keeping
> me right now is Young Eagles .... but I'm close to dropping that too.
> Linn
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> On 10/22/2012 11:25 PM, Kyle Boatright wrote:
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>> Heck, keep him, just lay down the law to him regarding appropriate
>> content in Sport Aviation.
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Sausen" <michael@sausen.net>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:00 PM
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT - Rod Hightower Resigns
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>>> I saw that right as I was stepping on an airplane but just now got a
>>> chance to read it. Sounds like a way for him to "gracefully" step down.
>>> You don't have a career that he has and take that kind of job without
>>> having thought through the family issues. Now if they get rid of J Mac
>>> we'll be 2 for 2!
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>>> Michael
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@**matronics.com<owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>[mailto:
>>> owner-rv10-list-**server@matronics.com<owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>]
>>> On Behalf Of jkreidler
>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 2:27 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: OT - Rod Hightower Resigns
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>>> --> <jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.**com <jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>>
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>>> Looks like Hightower has decided to step down. Too much of a disruption
>>> to his family to move them up from St. Louis.
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>>> --------
>>> Jason Kreidler
>>> 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
>>> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler N44YH - Flying -
>>> #40617
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