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1. 03:46 AM - Re: RV-10 Rudder trim (Carlos Trigo)
2. 04:56 AM - Re: Re: RV-10 Rudder trim (Dick Gurley)
3. 05:37 AM - Re: Re: RV-10 Rudder trim (Linn)
4. 06:25 AM - Re: Re: RV-10 Rudder trim (g.combs)
5. 06:25 AM - Re: Opinion please (Pascal)
6. 06:26 AM - Re: Re: RV-10 Rudder trim (Bob Leffler)
7. 07:04 AM - Re: Re: RV-10 Rudder trim (Rick Lark)
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| Subject: | RE: RV-10 Rudder trim |
Guys
Since this thread has begun being about the Aileron trim, and someone
mentioned also the Rudder trim, can somebody please confirm if there is an
optional electric Rudder trim for the -10, and where can I find it.
Regards
Carlos
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark
Sent: domingo, 4 de Novembro de 2012 01:52
Subject: Re: RV10-List: aileron trim
Bill, funny you would mention the circuit thing, as I too had a primary
flight instructor 35 years ago show and teach me the exact same thing. No
hands on the column, feet on the rudder peddles and using elevator
trim/power to descend etc. To this day I use rudder and elevator trim all
the time when flying my C-177B.
Having said that, there is something to be said about the KISS principle.
None the less I've installed trim for all 3 axis.
Can't wait to use the electric trim in the -10.
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
Funny you should mention the complete circuit using trim. Years ago when
trying to learn to land a C150 at age 16, the instructor flew the pattern
with trim-only. Pitch trim that is, and rudder and power of course. It
showed me how unnnecessary my death grip on the yoke was.
Anyway, does that mean that the MD-11 A/P didn't operate the trim when
engaged? Or was it just a good habit that shouldn't be broken?
Bill "still thinks his TruTrak AP is a magical gift from the gods" Watson
On 11/3/2012 2:10 PM, James Dearborn wrote:
All good points.
I'm one of those who believes in trim, trim, trim. Trimmed hands off is the
most efficient your airplane will fly. It is also the 'state' your airplane
should be in when the auto pilot is engaged. Even flying the MD-11 I trimmed
to hands off before engaging the A/P and would occasionally click off the
A/P enroute just to insure the control pressures were neutral. Finally, trim
can be a backup flight control system. Years ago I instructed in T-34Bs
(1,000+ hrs). One demo I gave was a complete circuit in the landing pattern
using only trim. Trim is your friend!
Cheers,
Jim
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Carlos -
If you look in the archives, there are numerous ideas. Based on the ideas,
I have put trim into my rudder. If you need additional info, please contact
me off line.
Dick
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 6:46 AM
Subject: RV10-List: RE: RV-10 Rudder trim
Guys
Since this thread has begun being about the Aileron trim, and someone
mentioned also the Rudder trim, can somebody please confirm if there is an
optional electric Rudder trim for the -10, and where can I find it.
Regards
Carlos
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark
Sent: domingo, 4 de Novembro de 2012 01:52
Subject: Re: RV10-List: aileron trim
Bill, funny you would mention the circuit thing, as I too had a primary
flight instructor 35 years ago show and teach me the exact same thing. No
hands on the column, feet on the rudder peddles and using elevator
trim/power to descend etc. To this day I use rudder and elevator trim all
the time when flying my C-177B.
Having said that, there is something to be said about the KISS principle.
None the less I've installed trim for all 3 axis.
Can't wait to use the electric trim in the -10.
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
Funny you should mention the complete circuit using trim. Years ago when
trying to learn to land a C150 at age 16, the instructor flew the pattern
with trim-only. Pitch trim that is, and rudder and power of course. It
showed me how unnnecessary my death grip on the yoke was.
Anyway, does that mean that the MD-11 A/P didn't operate the trim when
engaged? Or was it just a good habit that shouldn't be broken?
Bill "still thinks his TruTrak AP is a magical gift from the gods" Watson
On 11/3/2012 2:10 PM, James Dearborn wrote:
All good points.
I'm one of those who believes in trim, trim, trim. Trimmed hands off is the
most efficient your airplane will fly. It is also the 'state' your airplane
should be in when the auto pilot is engaged. Even flying the MD-11 I trimmed
to hands off before engaging the A/P and would occasionally click off the
A/P enroute just to insure the control pressures were neutral. Finally, trim
can be a backup flight control system. Years ago I instructed in T-34Bs
(1,000+ hrs). One demo I gave was a complete circuit in the landing pattern
using only trim. Trim is your friend!
Cheers,
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: RE: RV-10 Rudder trim |
Hi Carlos.
To answer your question, AFAIK there isn't. Most of the rudder trims
I've seen are wedges affixed to the rudder trailing edge, followed by
hinges operated by Ray Allen trim motors .... followed by by a moveable
tab cut out of the rudder.
I'm afraid I'm walking down the path to mental illness. That KISS
thingy is starting to look pretty darn good.
I'm wiring. And wiring. And wiring. That 6-pack of steam gauges is
looking better all the time. I have dual, independent flat panels with
autopilot and engine monitor.
Because I had a stroke of lunacy I am installing the hinge-type trim on
the ailerons and rudder operated by model airplane servos. I had to
build up a mocrocontroller to create the pulse width to operate the
servos, write the code and add a power supply to drop the 12V to 5.
Why? Because I can. But it seems like anytime I deviate from the plans
it adds 6 months to the build time. Some longer. At this stage in the
build my recommendations would be to build the airplane stock and deal
with the idiosyncrasies when it's flying. Which I still hope to do someday.
Linn
On 11/4/2012 6:45 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
>
> Guys
>
> Since this thread has begun being about the Aileron trim, and someone
> mentioned also the Rudder trim, can somebody please confirm if there
> is an optional electric Rudder trim for the -10, and where can I find it.
>
> Regards
>
> Carlos
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: RV-10 Rudder trim |
Carlos the only electric rudder trim you
Must make. Aerosport products offers
A rudder trim that is not electric but installs in most RV-10s in around 1 h
our. It works very good and another advantage is it keeps the rudder
=46rom flapping in the wind while parked.
Check out Www.aerosportproducts.com
Geoff
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 4, 2012, at 6:45 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
> Guys
>
> Since this thread has begun being about the Aileron trim, and someone ment
ioned also the Rudder trim, can somebody please confirm if there is an optio
nal electric Rudder trim for the -10, and where can I find it.
>
> Regards
> Carlos
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark
> Sent: domingo, 4 de Novembro de 2012 01:52
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: aileron trim
>
> Bill, funny you would mention the circuit thing, as I too had a primary fl
ight instructor 35 years ago show and teach me the exact same thing. No han
ds on the column, feet on the rudder peddles and using elevator trim/power t
o descend etc. To this day I use rudder and elevator trim all the time when
flying my C-177B.
>
> Having said that, there is something to be said about the KISS principle.
None the less I've installed trim for all 3 axis.
>
> Can't wait to use the electric trim in the -10.
>
> Rick
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
>
> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> Funny you should mention the complete circuit using trim. Years ago when t
rying to learn to land a C150 at age 16, the instructor flew the pattern wit
h trim-only. Pitch trim that is, and rudder and power of course. It showed
me how unnnecessary my death grip on the yoke was.
>
> Anyway, does that mean that the MD-11 A/P didn't operate the trim when eng
aged? Or was it just a good habit that shouldn't be broken?
>
> Bill "still thinks his TruTrak AP is a magical gift from the gods" Watson
>
> On 11/3/2012 2:10 PM, James Dearborn wrote:
> All good points.
> I'm one of those who believes in trim, trim, trim. Trimmed hands off is th
e most efficient your airplane will fly. It is also the 'state' your airplan
e should be in when the auto pilot is engaged. Even flying the MD-11 I trimm
ed to hands off before engaging the A/P and would occasionally click off the
A/P enroute just to insure the control pressures were neutral. Finally, tri
m can be a backup flight control system. Years ago I instructed in T-34Bs (1
,000+ hrs). One demo I gave was a complete circuit in the landing pattern us
ing only trim. Trim is your friend!
> Cheers,
> Jim
>
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| Subject: | Re: Opinion please |
took me 6 months to complete the doors.. it was painful, Now is a good
time to tell you when you get this done do NOT fit the doors without the
seals on first. It will take another month to get them to close
correctly if the doors are installed without them first.
From: Phillip Perry
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Opinion please
Oh boy. 2-3 days???
I must be doing something terribly wrong. I'm 2-3 months into sanding,
filling, and shaping.
I must be too much of a perfectionist, because it looks like it still
has work to do according to my eye.
Phil
> --> <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>
>
> I recommend finishing the entire inside of the cabin top off like
the outside of the airplane. Sand and fill As required. It will take 2-3
days and a lot of elbow grease but when done it will look much better
Than doing minimal work. There is a spray primer called duratec the is a
2 part sprayable body filler. Once you work out the real bad spots and
sand spray a good heavy coat on the entire inside of the cabin top.
Block it out almost back to the raw fiber glass and do it one more time.
Then it should be very close to final paint. Do all this before
attaching the cabin top to the fuse.
> If using a overhead console you can omit doing the area under the
console but do everything Else. Paint and complete entire cabin top
install lights or what ever you want before installing.
> Life will be much easier and the results will be very gratifying.
>
> FWIW
>
> Geoff
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: RV-10 Rudder trim |
Take a look at Aerosport Products rudder trim. It's simple and doesn't req
uire any major modifications to the airframe. It can be installed in under
an hour.
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 4, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Linn <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> Hi Carlos.
> To answer your question, AFAIK there isn't. Most of the rudder trims I've
seen are wedges affixed to the rudder trailing edge, followed by hinges ope
rated by Ray Allen trim motors .... followed by by a moveable tab cut out of
the rudder.
>
> I'm afraid I'm walking down the path to mental illness. That KISS thingy i
s starting to look pretty darn good.
> I'm wiring. And wiring. And wiring. That 6-pack of steam gauges is look
ing better all the time. I have dual, independent flat panels with autopilo
t and engine monitor.
>
> Because I had a stroke of lunacy I am installing the hinge-type trim on th
e ailerons and rudder operated by model airplane servos. I had to build up a
mocrocontroller to create the pulse width to operate the servos, write the c
ode and add a power supply to drop the 12V to 5. Why? Because I can. But i
t seems like anytime I deviate from the plans it adds 6 months to the build t
ime. Some longer. At this stage in the build my recommendations would be to
build the airplane stock and deal with the idiosyncrasies when it's flying.
Which I still hope to do someday.
> Linn
>
> On 11/4/2012 6:45 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
>> Guys
>>
>> Since this thread has begun being about the Aileron trim, and someone men
tioned also the Rudder trim, can somebody please confirm if there is an opti
onal electric Rudder trim for the -10, and where can I find it.
>>
>> Regards
>> Carlos
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: RV-10 Rudder trim |
Carlos, Geoff's system is much quicker and easier. I probably spent 30
hrs (I seem to be a "slow builder" though) building my electric rudder trim
system. I've got about a dozen word documents I could send you but I think
after seeing the process I went through, the spring biased system is much
easier.
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 9:23 AM, g.combs <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>wrote:
> Carlos the only electric rudder trim you
> Must make. Aerosport products offers
> A rudder trim that is not electric but installs in most RV-10s in around 1
> hour. It works very good and another advantage is it keeps the rudder
> From flapping in the wind while parked.
> Check out Www.aerosportproducts.com <http://www.aerosportproducts.com/>
>
> Geoff
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 4, 2012, at 6:45 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
>
> Guys****
>
> ** **
>
> Since this thread has begun being about the Aileron trim, and someone
> mentioned also the Rudder trim, can somebody please confirm if there is an
> optional electric Rudder trim for the -10, and where can I find it.****
>
> ** **
>
> Regards****
>
> Carlos ****
>
> ** **
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> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [
> mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>]
> *On Behalf Of *Rick Lark
> *Sent:* domingo, 4 de Novembro de 2012 01:52
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: aileron trim****
>
> ** **
>
> Bill, funny you would mention the circuit thing, as I too had a primary
> flight instructor 35 years ago show and teach me the exact same thing. No
> hands on the column, feet on the rudder peddles and using elevator
> trim/power to descend etc. To this day I use rudder and elevator trim all
> the time when flying my C-177B. ****
>
> ****
>
> Having said that, there is something to be said about the KISS principle.
> None the less I've installed trim for all 3 axis. ****
>
> ****
>
> Can't wait to use the electric trim in the -10.****
>
> ****
>
> Rick****
>
> #40956****
>
> Southampton, Ont****
>
> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> ****
>
> Funny you should mention the complete circuit using trim. Years ago when
> trying to learn to land a C150 at age 16, the instructor flew the pattern
> with trim-only. Pitch trim that is, and rudder and power of course. It
> showed me how unnnecessary my death grip on the yoke was.
>
> Anyway, does that mean that the MD-11 A/P didn't operate the trim when
> engaged? Or was it just a good habit that shouldn't be broken?
>
> Bill "still thinks his TruTrak AP is a magical gift from the gods" Watson
>
> On 11/3/2012 2:10 PM, James Dearborn wrote:****
>
> All good points. ****
>
> I'm one of those who believes in trim, trim, trim. Trimmed hands off is
> the most efficient your airplane will fly.. It is also the 'state' your
> airplane should be in when the auto pilot is engaged. Even flying the MD-11
> I trimmed to hands off before engaging the A/P and would occasionally click
> off the A/P enroute just to insure the control pressures were neutral.
> Finally, trim can be a backup flight control system.. Years ago I
> instructed in T-34Bs (1,000+ hrs). One demo I gave was a complete circuit
> in the landing pattern using only trim. Trim is your friend!****
>
> Cheers,****
>
> Jim****
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