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1. 05:50 AM - Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools (Tim Olson)
2. 06:06 AM - Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools (Geoff Combs)
3. 06:14 AM - Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools (Bob Condrey)
4. 06:17 AM - Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools (davidsoutpost@comcast.net)
5. 07:29 AM - Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools (Kelly McMullen)
6. 07:40 AM - Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools (rleffler)
7. 08:02 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools (Tim Olson)
8. 08:07 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools (davidsoutpost@comcast.net)
9. 08:38 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools (Linn)
10. 09:18 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools (Robin Marks)
11. 09:24 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools (Neal George)
12. 09:26 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools ()
13. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools (Pascal)
14. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools (William Greenley)
15. 10:27 AM - Red Cube FWF install (woxofswa)
16. 10:43 AM - Baffling tip (woxofswa)
17. 11:49 AM - Re: Red Cube FWF install (Don McDonald)
18. 12:08 PM - Re: Red Cube FWF install (Geoff Combs)
19. 12:18 PM - Re: Red Cube FWF install (Geoff Combs)
20. 12:21 PM - Re: Baffling tip (Patrick Pulis)
21. 01:17 PM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools (Tim Olson)
22. 02:09 PM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools (Bill Watson)
23. 04:01 PM - Re: Red Cube FWF install (Seano)
24. 04:38 PM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools (Tim Olson)
25. 04:46 PM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools (Tim Olson)
26. 05:16 PM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools (Jeff Carpenter)
27. 06:31 PM - Re: Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools (Kelly McMullen)
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| Subject: | Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools |
Quick query of y'all. For cutting fiberglass, I know many
people have recommended those sonic vibrating tools, like
Fein, SoniCrafter, and others. Harbor freight has a
single and variable speed model, and there is a Rockwell
on sale by me now too.
Is there any outstanding reason to buy one over the other?
Has anyone had experience with the Harbor Freight cheap ones?
How about which blade cuts fiberglass best?
I'm going to buy one today, for fiberglass cutting, and
wanted to take some of your recommendations with me.
Tim
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| Subject: | Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools |
Tim
I have had the Fein for about 12 years now and it gets used and abused every
week for something here at work. That being
Said it is expensive compared to the others. The quality of the Fein is
outstanding. I think the key here is that
Some of these tools do not turn the RPM or movement as the Fein. If it is
20,000 like the Fein then for
Home use I would get the soniCrafter. The flat 3/4 round thin blades work
the best for fiberglass cutting. I would
Recommend a variable speed as well.
FWIW
Geoff
Geoff Combs
Aerosport Modeling and Design
8090 howe industrial pkwy
canal winchester, ohio 43110
614.834.5227p
614.834.5230f
www.aerosportmodeling.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 8:49 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools
Quick query of y'all. For cutting fiberglass, I know many people have
recommended those sonic vibrating tools, like Fein, SoniCrafter, and others.
Harbor freight has a single and variable speed model, and there is a
Rockwell on sale by me now too.
Is there any outstanding reason to buy one over the other?
Has anyone had experience with the Harbor Freight cheap ones?
How about which blade cuts fiberglass best?
I'm going to buy one today, for fiberglass cutting, and wanted to take some
of your recommendations with me.
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools |
Tim,
Other factor is blades - there isn't a single "standard". just make sure
you can get the blades you want. There are at least 2-3 different
configurations of how they actually attach to the tool and aren't
interchangable.
FWIW, I've got a Bosch that I found on sale and like it a lot. They work
very well for trimming most stuff but if you're trimming thick material
like the cabin top (1/4" or thicker in places) you'll go through blades
pretty quickly.
Bob
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Geoff Combs
<g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>wrote:
> g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>
>
> Tim
> I have had the Fein for about 12 years now and it gets used and abused
> every
> week for something here at work. That being
> Said it is expensive compared to the others. The quality of the Fein is
> outstanding. I think the key here is that
> Some of these tools do not turn the RPM or movement as the Fein. If it is
> 20,000 like the Fein then for
> Home use I would get the soniCrafter. The flat 3/4 round thin blades work
> the best for fiberglass cutting. I would
> Recommend a variable speed as well.
>
> FWIW
>
> Geoff
>
>
> Geoff Combs
> Aerosport Modeling and Design
> 8090 howe industrial pkwy
> canal winchester, ohio 43110
> 614.834.5227p
> 614.834.5230f
> www.aerosportmodeling.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 8:49 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools
>
>
> Quick query of y'all. For cutting fiberglass, I know many people have
> recommended those sonic vibrating tools, like Fein, SoniCrafter, and
> others.
> Harbor freight has a single and variable speed model, and there is a
> Rockwell on sale by me now too.
>
> Is there any outstanding reason to buy one over the other?
>
> Has anyone had experience with the Harbor Freight cheap ones?
>
> How about which blade cuts fiberglass best?
>
> I'm going to buy one today, for fiberglass cutting, and wanted to take some
> of your recommendations with me.
>
> Tim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools |
I usually can recommend HF for a lot of stuff but have never had good luck with
there electric tools. On the other hand, I purchased one of their multi tool
blades and had very good luck with it. It was a bi-metal blade. Works great on
fiberglass. In fact, I used it yesterday in my Fein and cut out the Skyview holes
in my IP and it was still going strong after a whole lot of fiberglass cutting
which is really hard on blades. I would opt for the Rockwell SoniCrafter
which Costco has for $79. Just my humble opinion.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2012 8:49:10 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools
Quick query of y'all. For cutting fiberglass, I know many
people have recommended those sonic vibrating tools, like
Fein, SoniCrafter, and others. Harbor freight has a
single and variable speed model, and there is a Rockwell
on sale by me now too.
Is there any outstanding reason to buy one over the other?
Has anyone had experience with the Harbor Freight cheap ones?
How about which blade cuts fiberglass best?
I'm going to buy one today, for fiberglass cutting, and
wanted to take some of your recommendations with me.
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools |
Tim,
I evaluated one of the cheap HF ones for EAA. Less than 6 months later it
failed from switch problems, likely related to overheating. I was able to
get a replacement from them, which I still have, but don't use much since I
got the initial cabin top and doors trimming done. For smaller jobs I much
prefer the fine control of a Dremel cutoff wheel. The HF tool is maybe a
bit easier to use than my die grinder with cutoff wheel. Probably doesn't
send dust and grit flying as far. Main weakness of HF version IMHO is that
it can't take continuous heavy cutting. The straight metal blades wear
quickly. The more expensive diamond grit blades don't seem to cut as fast
and make a wider cut.
Kelly
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:49 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> Quick query of y'all. For cutting fiberglass, I know many
> people have recommended those sonic vibrating tools, like
> Fein, SoniCrafter, and others. Harbor freight has a
> single and variable speed model, and there is a Rockwell
> on sale by me now too.
>
> Is there any outstanding reason to buy one over the other?
>
> Has anyone had experience with the Harbor Freight cheap ones?
>
> How about which blade cuts fiberglass best?
>
> I'm going to buy one today, for fiberglass cutting, and
> wanted to take some of your recommendations with me.
>
> Tim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools |
I have two of the entry level HF multi-function tool. It's a long story that I
won't go into at the moment.
It would be better if it had a faster speed like the Fein, but I rarely had a problem
cutting anything. The fiberglass on the cabin cover was pretty easy to
cut. I did find that the flat bi-metal half moon blade lasted longer. I think
I went trough blades a whole lot faster than Geoff does with his Fein, but
since I don't use it regularly, HF was the less expensive option.
It's on sale now for $17.99. Hard to beat at that price.
I debated about upgrading to the faster unit from HF or another vendor, but couldn't
justify the expense since the one I had worked.
bob
--------
Bob Leffler
N410BL - Paint - 90% done, 90% to go stage
RV-10 #40684
http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools |
Thanks guys for all of the feedback from all 5 of you
so far.
There are times when you buy tools to last a long time,
and times when you buy a tool for a few jobs. This one I
was mixed on. I'd like to have it last, because I did
order my RV-14 kit and may want to use it on that build.
But, what I need it for TODAY is cutting a fibergalss
bathtub out of the house.
As Bob says, the HF cheap single speed is $17.99
right now. Their variable speed model "Pro" one
is $34.99. Then there's the Rockwell SoniCrafter
that's $99 right now in our local stores.
Ultimately, it's worth $18 just to get the dang tub
cut out, so the HF one could be fine, but, I have
a hard time sometimes buying a cheap tool, so I'm still
on the fence. The RV-14 doesn't have nearly the amount
of fiberglass to deal with (Woo Hoo!!), but it may come
in handy on the cowl and some other parts. Like Kelly,
I used a cutoff wheel on the RV-10 a lot, and that worked
well. I used the air powered tools more though.
I just remember being COVERED in fiberglass when I got
done, so for tonights job I just KNOW I want to use a
vibrating tool. I guess I'll have to actually go
to HF today and put one in my hands, and see what
accessories it includes. As Bob mentioned, the blades
are important too, and I'll have to compare which one
will cost me more to use in the long run, especially
since the job is fiberglass and the blades will add up.
Dave, you talked about not having luck with HF for
electric tools, but said you used their blades in your
Fein. So the HF Blades work fine in a Fein then, eh?
I don't think I'll spend that kind of money on the
tool, but I wonder if the HF blades would work on the
SoniCrafter...
Still got to think about it. Maybe some google time
will help. I figured this would be a good discussion
for RV-10 builders looking for the tool too, since
that is where I first heard that these things are
good for fiberglass. I sure wish I would have had
one when I was doing the -10. If I were doing another
-10, I'd probably consider a Fein or at least real
nice copy.
Tim
On 11/9/2012 9:40 AM, rleffler wrote:
>
> I have two of the entry level HF multi-function tool. It's a long
> story that I won't go into at the moment.
>
> It would be better if it had a faster speed like the Fein, but I
> rarely had a problem cutting anything. The fiberglass on the cabin
> cover was pretty easy to cut. I did find that the flat bi-metal half
> moon blade lasted longer. I think I went trough blades a whole lot
> faster than Geoff does with his Fein, but since I don't use it
> regularly, HF was the less expensive option.
>
> It's on sale now for $17.99. Hard to beat at that price.
>
> I debated about upgrading to the faster unit from HF or another
> vendor, but couldn't justify the expense since the one I had worked.
>
> bob
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools |
The key to using one of the multi-tools is the blade. The HSS blades will not cut
good and will not last. Spend the extra few dollars and purchase the bi-metal
blades. We built 2 Cozy MKIV planes and used only 2 bi-metal blades, Fein Bi-metal
at $70 each way back when. That's a whole lot of fiberglass cutting with
only 2 blades. The bi-metal blade I purchased from HF was only about $14 IIRC
and the quality of that blades is very good. It fit the Fein just fine and
most of the multi-tools out there now use universal mounting systems. I believe
that the Bosch uses its own though. The variable speed control is a must have
for doing different things. The Fein was about $400 way back when we purchased
it and gets used quite often in and out of the shop. They are half the price
now. Good tools that you plan to keep are well worth the extra cost. I would
not hesitate to purchase the Rockwell kit @ $79 from Costco. It is a well built
product that will last.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "rleffler" <rv@thelefflers.com>
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2012 10:40:36 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools
I have two of the entry level HF multi-function tool. It's a long story that I
won't go into at the moment.
It would be better if it had a faster speed like the Fein, but I rarely had a problem
cutting anything. The fiberglass on the cabin cover was pretty easy to
cut. I did find that the flat bi-metal half moon blade lasted longer. I think
I went trough blades a whole lot faster than Geoff does with his Fein, but since
I don't use it regularly, HF was the less expensive option.
It's on sale now for $17.99. Hard to beat at that price.
I debated about upgrading to the faster unit from HF or another vendor, but couldn't
justify the expense since the one I had worked.
bob
--------
Bob Leffler
N410BL - Paint - 90% done, 90% to go stage
RV-10 #40684
http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387368#387368
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools |
On 11/9/2012 11:02 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Thanks guys for all of the feedback from all 5 of you
> so far.
>
> There are times when you buy tools to last a long time,
> and times when you buy a tool for a few jobs. This one I
> was mixed on. I'd like to have it last, because I did
> order my RV-14 kit and may want to use it on that build.
> But, what I need it for TODAY is cutting a fibergalss
> bathtub out of the house.
I used a coarse blade in the HF reciprocating saw (like a Sawzall) to
cut out a FG shower. Made quick work of it.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools |
Just be happy you have a fiberglass tub vs. a cast iron tub. The crew charged with
removing a large cast iron tub from our upstairs master had to cut it in half.
The mayhem included breaking two picture windows with flying metal chunks.
BTW the only issue with the tub was that it was peach in color. Had to go!
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools
Thanks guys for all of the feedback from all 5 of you so far.
There are times when you buy tools to last a long time, and times when you buy
a tool for a few jobs. This one I was mixed on. I'd like to have it last, because
I did order my RV-14 kit and may want to use it on that build.
But, what I need it for TODAY is cutting a fibergalss bathtub out of the house.
As Bob says, the HF cheap single speed is $17.99 right now. Their variable speed
model "Pro" one is $34.99. Then there's the Rockwell SoniCrafter that's $99
right now in our local stores.
Ultimately, it's worth $18 just to get the dang tub cut out, so the HF one could
be fine, but, I have a hard time sometimes buying a cheap tool, so I'm still
on the fence. The RV-14 doesn't have nearly the amount of fiberglass to deal
with (Woo Hoo!!), but it may come in handy on the cowl and some other parts.
Like Kelly, I used a cutoff wheel on the RV-10 a lot, and that worked well. I
used the air powered tools more though.
I just remember being COVERED in fiberglass when I got done, so for tonights job
I just KNOW I want to use a vibrating tool. I guess I'll have to actually go
to HF today and put one in my hands, and see what accessories it includes.
As Bob mentioned, the blades are important too, and I'll have to compare which
one will cost me more to use in the long run, especially since the job is fiberglass
and the blades will add up.
Dave, you talked about not having luck with HF for electric tools, but said you
used their blades in your Fein. So the HF Blades work fine in a Fein then, eh?
I don't think I'll spend that kind of money on the tool, but I wonder if the HF
blades would work on the SoniCrafter...
Still got to think about it. Maybe some google time will help. I figured this
would be a good discussion for RV-10 builders looking for the tool too, since
that is where I first heard that these things are good for fiberglass. I sure
wish I would have had one when I was doing the -10. If I were doing another -10,
I'd probably consider a Fein or at least real nice copy.
Tim
On 11/9/2012 9:40 AM, rleffler wrote:
>
> I have two of the entry level HF multi-function tool. It's a long
> story that I won't go into at the moment.
>
> It would be better if it had a faster speed like the Fein, but I
> rarely had a problem cutting anything. The fiberglass on the cabin
> cover was pretty easy to cut. I did find that the flat bi-metal half
> moon blade lasted longer. I think I went trough blades a whole lot
> faster than Geoff does with his Fein, but since I don't use it
> regularly, HF was the less expensive option.
>
> It's on sale now for $17.99. Hard to beat at that price.
>
> I debated about upgrading to the faster unit from HF or another
> vendor, but couldn't justify the expense since the one I had worked.
>
> bob
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools |
You don't have an axe? Or a sawsall?
neal
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But, what I need it for TODAY is cutting a fibergalss bathtub out of the house.
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools |
Hey Tim,
Just a thought or two. For the thinner cowl type cutting (your next
project -- awesome), I always use sheers (same ones as on aluminum) -- no
dust, no kerf, easy to final touch up with a belt sander. For tub removal
where finesse is the least concern, I use a sawsall with a course blade and
have at it! I'll be doing that soon to the tub/shower I built the room
around 26 years ago.
Later, - Lew
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools |
I gather painting it was never a consideration? (LOL)
-----Original Message-----
From: Robin Marks
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 9:17 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools
Just be happy you have a fiberglass tub vs. a cast iron tub. The crew
charged with removing a large cast iron tub from our upstairs master had to
cut it in half. The mayhem included breaking two picture windows with flying
metal chunks.
BTW the only issue with the tub was that it was peach in color. Had to go!
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools
Thanks guys for all of the feedback from all 5 of you so far.
There are times when you buy tools to last a long time, and times when you
buy a tool for a few jobs. This one I was mixed on. I'd like to have it
last, because I did order my RV-14 kit and may want to use it on that build.
But, what I need it for TODAY is cutting a fibergalss bathtub out of the
house.
As Bob says, the HF cheap single speed is $17.99 right now. Their variable
speed model "Pro" one is $34.99. Then there's the Rockwell SoniCrafter
that's $99 right now in our local stores.
Ultimately, it's worth $18 just to get the dang tub cut out, so the HF one
could be fine, but, I have a hard time sometimes buying a cheap tool, so I'm
still on the fence. The RV-14 doesn't have nearly the amount of fiberglass
to deal with (Woo Hoo!!), but it may come in handy on the cowl and some
other parts. Like Kelly, I used a cutoff wheel on the RV-10 a lot, and that
worked well. I used the air powered tools more though.
I just remember being COVERED in fiberglass when I got done, so for tonights
job I just KNOW I want to use a vibrating tool. I guess I'll have to
actually go to HF today and put one in my hands, and see what accessories it
includes. As Bob mentioned, the blades are important too, and I'll have to
compare which one will cost me more to use in the long run, especially since
the job is fiberglass and the blades will add up.
Dave, you talked about not having luck with HF for electric tools, but said
you used their blades in your Fein. So the HF Blades work fine in a Fein
then, eh?
I don't think I'll spend that kind of money on the tool, but I wonder if the
HF blades would work on the SoniCrafter...
Still got to think about it. Maybe some google time will help. I figured
this would be a good discussion for RV-10 builders looking for the tool too,
since that is where I first heard that these things are good for fiberglass.
I sure wish I would have had one when I was doing the -10. If I were doing
another -10, I'd probably consider a Fein or at least real nice copy.
Tim
On 11/9/2012 9:40 AM, rleffler wrote:
>
> I have two of the entry level HF multi-function tool. It's a long
> story that I won't go into at the moment.
>
> It would be better if it had a faster speed like the Fein, but I
> rarely had a problem cutting anything. The fiberglass on the cabin
> cover was pretty easy to cut. I did find that the flat bi-metal half
> moon blade lasted longer. I think I went trough blades a whole lot
> faster than Geoff does with his Fein, but since I don't use it
> regularly, HF was the less expensive option.
>
> It's on sale now for $17.99. Hard to beat at that price.
>
> I debated about upgrading to the faster unit from HF or another
> vendor, but couldn't justify the expense since the one I had worked.
>
> bob
>
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Actually, there are companies that resurface bathtubs in place. My dad had a
franchise and did that for a number of years before he retired. He often did
tubs and sinks, could even do tile. The homeowner would then put in a new
matching stool. New look without the destruction. The process would also
totally seal the grouting in any tile.
Bill
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I gather painting it was never a consideration? (LOL)
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Just be happy you have a fiberglass tub vs. a cast iron tub. The crew
charged with removing a large cast iron tub from our upstairs master had to
cut it in half. The mayhem included breaking two picture windows with flying
metal chunks.
BTW the only issue with the tub was that it was peach in color. Had to go!
Robin
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Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools
Thanks guys for all of the feedback from all 5 of you so far.
There are times when you buy tools to last a long time, and times when you
buy a tool for a few jobs. This one I was mixed on. I'd like to have it
last, because I did order my RV-14 kit and may want to use it on that build.
But, what I need it for TODAY is cutting a fibergalss bathtub out of the
house.
As Bob says, the HF cheap single speed is $17.99 right now. Their variable
speed model "Pro" one is $34.99. Then there's the Rockwell SoniCrafter
that's $99 right now in our local stores.
Ultimately, it's worth $18 just to get the dang tub cut out, so the HF one
could be fine, but, I have a hard time sometimes buying a cheap tool, so I'm
still on the fence. The RV-14 doesn't have nearly the amount of fiberglass
to deal with (Woo Hoo!!), but it may come in handy on the cowl and some
other parts. Like Kelly, I used a cutoff wheel on the RV-10 a lot, and that
worked well. I used the air powered tools more though.
I just remember being COVERED in fiberglass when I got done, so for tonights
job I just KNOW I want to use a vibrating tool. I guess I'll have to
actually go to HF today and put one in my hands, and see what accessories it
includes. As Bob mentioned, the blades are important too, and I'll have to
compare which one will cost me more to use in the long run, especially since
the job is fiberglass and the blades will add up.
Dave, you talked about not having luck with HF for electric tools, but said
you used their blades in your Fein. So the HF Blades work fine in a Fein
then, eh?
I don't think I'll spend that kind of money on the tool, but I wonder if the
HF blades would work on the SoniCrafter...
Still got to think about it. Maybe some google time will help. I figured
this would be a good discussion for RV-10 builders looking for the tool too,
since that is where I first heard that these things are good for fiberglass.
I sure wish I would have had one when I was doing the -10. If I were doing
another -10, I'd probably consider a Fein or at least real nice copy.
Tim
On 11/9/2012 9:40 AM, rleffler wrote:
>
> I have two of the entry level HF multi-function tool. It's a long
> story that I won't go into at the moment.
>
> It would be better if it had a faster speed like the Fein, but I
> rarely had a problem cutting anything. The fiberglass on the cabin
> cover was pretty easy to cut. I did find that the flat bi-metal half
> moon blade lasted longer. I think I went trough blades a whole lot
> faster than Geoff does with his Fein, but since I don't use it
> regularly, HF was the less expensive option.
>
> It's on sale now for $17.99. Hard to beat at that price.
>
> I debated about upgrading to the faster unit from HF or another
> vendor, but couldn't justify the expense since the one I had worked.
>
> bob
>
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| Subject: | Red Cube FWF install |
Anyone be so kind as to post some pix on their firewall forward red cube installation?
Thanks in advance.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing
kit in progress.
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This is either a baffling tip or a tip on baffling depending on the merit of my
idea.
Whilst dealing with piece DC-1001A, the forward part that goes around the prop
governor, I found myself having to remove quite a lot of material to be able to
get it on and off around the PG. I had to flex the back wall behind the governor
quite a bit and was worried about a crack forming there. My installation
is a little more complicated in that area because of mods necessary for my A/C
installation. Anyway, I came up with the idea to put a small piece of scrap
hinge on the back wall to allow the hole around the PB to "open up" during removal
and installation. I wish I would have thought of it sooner as I could
have removed a lot less material.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. Finishing kit and
FWF kit in progress.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387385#387385
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| Subject: | Re: Red Cube FWF install |
Hey Myron.- Don McDonald here.... I have-several... pic 6812c is actual
ly mine... white is rubber (totally mounted to the rubber)... Just an fyi..
I was having trouble with the fuel flow going to zero about 2% of the time
... wouldn't necessarily stay at zero, but long enough to screw up the fuel
burn calcs.... since moving it forward, it's absolutely dead nuts on!=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: woxofswa <woxof@aol.com>=0A
bject: RV10-List: Red Cube FWF install=0A =0A--> RV10-List message posted
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| Subject: | Red Cube FWF install |
Myron here is how I mounted mine. 355 hrs and no problems
Geoff Combs
www.aerosportmodeling.com
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Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 1:27 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Red Cube FWF install
Anyone be so kind as to post some pix on their firewall forward red cube
installation?
Thanks in advance.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done,
finishing kit in progress.
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| Subject: | Red Cube FWF install |
Just an FYI for the location of the fuel transducer. Soon there should be
some very good data on mounting this
fuel transducer in the tunnel as in the Vans instructions. From this data
this could be a real problem and I would think twice
about mounting it in the tunnel. Bob Newman at TCW will be providing a
report on this. The report will be
quite scary at to say the least. Bob said you can contact him directly to
discuss or wait for his report.
Geoff Combs
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Hey Myron. Don McDonald here.... I have several... pic 6812c is actually
mine... white is rubber (totally mounted to the rubber)... Just an fyi.. I
was having trouble with the fuel flow going to zero about 2% of the time...
wouldn't necessarily stay at zero, but long enough to screw up the fuel burn
calcs.... since moving it forward, it's absolutely dead nuts on!
From: woxofswa <woxof@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2012 12:27 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Red Cube FWF install
Anyone be so kind as to post some pix on their firewall forward red cube
installation?
Thanks in advance.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done,
finishing kit in progress.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387382#387382
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Any pictures please Myron?
Warm regards
Patrick from Oz
On 10/11/2012, at 5:12 AM, "woxofswa" <woxof@aol.com> wrote:
>
> This is either a baffling tip or a tip on baffling depending on the merit of
my idea.
>
> Whilst dealing with piece DC-1001A, the forward part that goes around the prop
governor, I found myself having to remove quite a lot of material to be able
to get it on and off around the PG. I had to flex the back wall behind the governor
quite a bit and was worried about a crack forming there. My installation
is a little more complicated in that area because of mods necessary for my
A/C installation. Anyway, I came up with the idea to put a small piece of scrap
hinge on the back wall to allow the hole around the PB to "open up" during
removal and installation. I wish I would have thought of it sooner as I could
have removed a lot less material.
>
>
> --------
> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. Finishing kit
and FWF kit in progress.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387385#387385
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools |
To circle back on the tool thing....I did end up getting the
Harbor Freight tool. I got it with a coupon for $34.99
for the variable speed version, which does do 20K RPM.
I also bought a diamond blade, a couple extra wood/metal
circle blades, and a better pluger blade in addition to the
one that came with it. I bought the $9.99 2 yr warranty
too. It was $95 tax included, with all the extras.
I read a few reviews of the HF one, and basically it
was comparable in quality to the Rockwell. People said
the old single speed was junk, but the variable was
very nice and they used it for tons of things. Some
did have problems, but with the added warranty they
said they'd go that route because if something goes wrong
you just bring it in and grab a new one. So for the
money, it was a good way to go. The blades, incidentally,
say they're good for Fein, Rockwell, Bosch, and all of the
brands, so they must be very similar. So if it works,
it should be good for me. If I have any real positive
or negative comments I'll circle back and give them to
you.
I'm just glad the tub wasn't peach like Robins...but it
is an awful gold color from the 70's. Resurfacing isn't
something I'd like, but Neil's idea of the axe makes
the project sound fun!
On the topic of RV-14...a couple have asked "Why?".
Well, I have a crystal ball. My crystal ball tells
me that my kids will not want to travel with us when
they are 15-18 years old unless they have friends with
them. We only have a 4-seat plane. This gives us
6 seats of capacity for X/C trips, with 2 planes
with similar speeds and ranges. But, it does a couple
other things.... it gives the kids a plane to learn
in, it gives a fun plane for local flights, and it
gives me an aerobatic plane to play in. It's a toy
plane, and one that I'm only planning to keep for
maybe 10 years. It's "disposable". My RV-10 will
probably never be sold. This one I'll probably try
to get partners in, too. So I won't be quite as
attached to this plane (I think), but it should be
a lot of fun!
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools |
Re the saw. I'll be interested in reading your review somewhere down
the line.
I felt like I tried 'everything' when I was at the FG top phase. I did
get a version of the vibrating tool. Honestly, after a week of
experimentation, it collected dust for the last 3 years. I need a demo
or something.
I went thru 2 HF air powered recip saws. They worked until they
failed. I think you used these too. Cheap but hard to control
precisely. I did cut my landing light hole out with one and survived
the experience.
One thing worked very well for me and that is the Sawzall type of recip
saws with a custom blade. Maybe this is what you meant by a diamond
blade, maybe the bi metal, I don't know. But What I got was an abrasive
type of blade and cut it length-wise so that it could turn tighter
corners. The (diamond?) abrasive cuts much better than any toothed
blade, it's easy to handle even on a big recip Sawzall, and it lasts.
Based on that experience, I try to avoid using my bladed tools on any
fiberglass. Abrasive countersinks are particularly effective too. But
you probably know all that already.
Anyway, thanks for sharing your reasons for the '14. Fantastic!
Bill
On 11/9/2012 4:16 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> To circle back on the tool thing....I did end up getting the
> Harbor Freight tool. I got it with a coupon for $34.99
> for the variable speed version, which does do 20K RPM.
> I also bought a diamond blade, a couple extra wood/metal
> circle blades, and a better pluger blade in addition to the
> one that came with it. I bought the $9.99 2 yr warranty
> too. It was $95 tax included, with all the extras.
>
> I read a few reviews of the HF one, and basically it
> was comparable in quality to the Rockwell. People said
> the old single speed was junk, but the variable was
> very nice and they used it for tons of things. Some
> did have problems, but with the added warranty they
> said they'd go that route because if something goes wrong
> you just bring it in and grab a new one. So for the
> money, it was a good way to go. The blades, incidentally,
> say they're good for Fein, Rockwell, Bosch, and all of the
> brands, so they must be very similar. So if it works,
> it should be good for me. If I have any real positive
> or negative comments I'll circle back and give them to
> you.
>
> I'm just glad the tub wasn't peach like Robins...but it
> is an awful gold color from the 70's. Resurfacing isn't
> something I'd like, but Neil's idea of the axe makes
> the project sound fun!
>
> On the topic of RV-14...a couple have asked "Why?".
>
> Well, I have a crystal ball. My crystal ball tells
> me that my kids will not want to travel with us when
> they are 15-18 years old unless they have friends with
> them. We only have a 4-seat plane. This gives us
> 6 seats of capacity for X/C trips, with 2 planes
> with similar speeds and ranges. But, it does a couple
> other things.... it gives the kids a plane to learn
> in, it gives a fun plane for local flights, and it
> gives me an aerobatic plane to play in. It's a toy
> plane, and one that I'm only planning to keep for
> maybe 10 years. It's "disposable". My RV-10 will
> probably never be sold. This one I'll probably try
> to get partners in, too. So I won't be quite as
> attached to this plane (I think), but it should be
> a lot of fun!
>
> Tim
>
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| Subject: | Re: Red Cube FWF install |
Myron,
Here is a pic of mine. 280 hours with no problems. I fireslleved mine per
directions but I didn't follow the statement: Do not attach the transducer
directly to the engine......
Here is some notes from the installation manual.
Fuel Flow Transducer Notes
. NEVER blow through the transducer. Keep the yellow caps on until it is
installed.
. The fuel flow transducer(s) should be installed in a straight section of
your fuel line. (6 straight inches on each side is desirable).
. The fuel line should not drop down after exiting the transducer.
. The wires MUST NOT come out of the bottom of transducer. Wires pointing up
is the best .
. When assembling fittings into the 1/4" NPT inlet and outlet ports do not
exceed a torque value of 25 ft.-lbs.
. Do not use Teflon tape in an aircraft fuel system. Use "Fuel Lube/Ez Turn
Lubricant"
. The transducer should be mounted down stream of a fuel filter.
. Do not attach the transducer directly to the engine to avoid excessive
vibration.
. Do not mount the transducer near the exhaust systems or other hot engine
components.
. If the transducer is in the engine compartment, it should be covered in
fire sleeve to protect it from excessive heat.
. The transducer wires may be trimmed any desired length
Possible Transducer Placement Locations:
1. Between the auxiliary electric boost pump and the engines mechanical fuel
pump.
2. Between fuel injection servo and the distribution block.
3. Between the Engine driven pump and the Carburetor
Note: If your engine is equipped with a fuel return line from the carburetor
back to the fuel tank you will need to install two flow transducers.
One in the feed line from the fuel pump to the carburetor and one in the
return line from the carburetor back to the fuel tank. This applies to
certain Continental engines and Rotax 912(ULS) and 914 engines.
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From: "woxofswa" <woxof@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 11:27 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Red Cube FWF install
>
> Anyone be so kind as to post some pix on their firewall forward red cube
> installation?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --------
> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done,
> finishing kit in progress.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387382#387382
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools |
OK, I've used the tool a bit now, so I can at least give
preliminary comments on it. I think that if you hold a
steady hand, you can do some pretty good straight cuts with
the tool. The standard 3/4 round blades cut pretty well and you
could rough cut with them and file it to finish for any
fiberglass work you do. It isn't nearly as fast as the
rough blade sawsall, but you won't find anything to use a
sawsall on for a plane anyway. The blade seemed to last a
pretty good amount of time. The glass was nearly 1/4" thick
and I probably cut 25' or more of distance with it. It's
pretty worn down now. But, if you were trimming wingtips
or something, it seems like it wouldn't do a bad job at all.
(just a guess since I wasn't trimming wingtips) The HF tool
didn't have any operational problems and I did run it until
it got pretty darn warm and then gave it a break. It does come
with new brushes, which many tools don't, so that's a plus.
All in all, I'm glad I bought it....it was real comforting
when cutting into the area that had electrical and network
wiring behind it....I didn't have to worry about wrecking
something too bad. It was also safer than the sawsall when
moving my hands near the cutter.
So, I'm sure there are better tools, like the Fein or some
good name brands, but this one seems like it would survive
an RV-10 build for the small amount of cutting you'd do
with it.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 11/9/2012 3:16 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> To circle back on the tool thing....I did end up getting the
> Harbor Freight tool. I got it with a coupon for $34.99
> for the variable speed version, which does do 20K RPM.
> I also bought a diamond blade, a couple extra wood/metal
> circle blades, and a better pluger blade in addition to the
> one that came with it. I bought the $9.99 2 yr warranty
> too. It was $95 tax included, with all the extras.
>
> I read a few reviews of the HF one, and basically it
> was comparable in quality to the Rockwell. People said
> the old single speed was junk, but the variable was
> very nice and they used it for tons of things. Some
> did have problems, but with the added warranty they
> said they'd go that route because if something goes wrong
> you just bring it in and grab a new one. So for the
> money, it was a good way to go. The blades, incidentally,
> say they're good for Fein, Rockwell, Bosch, and all of the
> brands, so they must be very similar. So if it works,
> it should be good for me. If I have any real positive
> or negative comments I'll circle back and give them to
> you.
>
> I'm just glad the tub wasn't peach like Robins...but it
> is an awful gold color from the 70's. Resurfacing isn't
> something I'd like, but Neil's idea of the axe makes
> the project sound fun!
>
> On the topic of RV-14...a couple have asked "Why?".
>
> Well, I have a crystal ball. My crystal ball tells
> me that my kids will not want to travel with us when
> they are 15-18 years old unless they have friends with
> them. We only have a 4-seat plane. This gives us
> 6 seats of capacity for X/C trips, with 2 planes
> with similar speeds and ranges. But, it does a couple
> other things.... it gives the kids a plane to learn
> in, it gives a fun plane for local flights, and it
> gives me an aerobatic plane to play in. It's a toy
> plane, and one that I'm only planning to keep for
> maybe 10 years. It's "disposable". My RV-10 will
> probably never be sold. This one I'll probably try
> to get partners in, too. So I won't be quite as
> attached to this plane (I think), but it should be
> a lot of fun!
>
> Tim
> \
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools |
PS: The biggest benefit? There was very little dust compared to
other cutting methods. The sawsall made a mess. The oscillating
tool was not bad.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 11/9/2012 6:37 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> OK, I've used the tool a bit now, so I can at least give
> preliminary comments on it. I think that if you hold a
> steady hand, you can do some pretty good straight cuts with
> the tool. The standard 3/4 round blades cut pretty well and you
> could rough cut with them and file it to finish for any
> fiberglass work you do. It isn't nearly as fast as the
> rough blade sawsall, but you won't find anything to use a
> sawsall on for a plane anyway. The blade seemed to last a
> pretty good amount of time. The glass was nearly 1/4" thick
> and I probably cut 25' or more of distance with it. It's
> pretty worn down now. But, if you were trimming wingtips
> or something, it seems like it wouldn't do a bad job at all.
> (just a guess since I wasn't trimming wingtips) The HF tool
> didn't have any operational problems and I did run it until
> it got pretty darn warm and then gave it a break. It does come
> with new brushes, which many tools don't, so that's a plus.
> All in all, I'm glad I bought it....it was real comforting
> when cutting into the area that had electrical and network
> wiring behind it....I didn't have to worry about wrecking
> something too bad. It was also safer than the sawsall when
> moving my hands near the cutter.
>
> So, I'm sure there are better tools, like the Fein or some
> good name brands, but this one seems like it would survive
> an RV-10 build for the small amount of cutting you'd do
> with it.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
> On 11/9/2012 3:16 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> To circle back on the tool thing....I did end up getting the
>> Harbor Freight tool. I got it with a coupon for $34.99
>> for the variable speed version, which does do 20K RPM.
>> I also bought a diamond blade, a couple extra wood/metal
>> circle blades, and a better pluger blade in addition to the
>> one that came with it. I bought the $9.99 2 yr warranty
>> too. It was $95 tax included, with all the extras.
>>
>> I read a few reviews of the HF one, and basically it
>> was comparable in quality to the Rockwell. People said
>> the old single speed was junk, but the variable was
>> very nice and they used it for tons of things. Some
>> did have problems, but with the added warranty they
>> said they'd go that route because if something goes wrong
>> you just bring it in and grab a new one. So for the
>> money, it was a good way to go. The blades, incidentally,
>> say they're good for Fein, Rockwell, Bosch, and all of the
>> brands, so they must be very similar. So if it works,
>> it should be good for me. If I have any real positive
>> or negative comments I'll circle back and give them to
>> you.
>>
>> I'm just glad the tub wasn't peach like Robins...but it
>> is an awful gold color from the 70's. Resurfacing isn't
>> something I'd like, but Neil's idea of the axe makes
>> the project sound fun!
>>
>> On the topic of RV-14...a couple have asked "Why?".
>>
>> Well, I have a crystal ball. My crystal ball tells
>> me that my kids will not want to travel with us when
>> they are 15-18 years old unless they have friends with
>> them. We only have a 4-seat plane. This gives us
>> 6 seats of capacity for X/C trips, with 2 planes
>> with similar speeds and ranges. But, it does a couple
>> other things.... it gives the kids a plane to learn
>> in, it gives a fun plane for local flights, and it
>> gives me an aerobatic plane to play in. It's a toy
>> plane, and one that I'm only planning to keep for
>> maybe 10 years. It's "disposable". My RV-10 will
>> probably never be sold. This one I'll probably try
>> to get partners in, too. So I won't be quite as
>> attached to this plane (I think), but it should be
>> a lot of fun!
>>
>> Tim
>> \
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools |
My Fein tool allows for a vacuum attachment, though it's a bit cumbersome to use
that way
Jeff Carpenter
40304
Painting
On Nov 9, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> PS: The biggest benefit? There was very little dust compared to
> other cutting methods. The sawsall made a mess. The oscillating
> tool was not bad.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
>
> On 11/9/2012 6:37 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> OK, I've used the tool a bit now, so I can at least give
>> preliminary comments on it. I think that if you hold a
>> steady hand, you can do some pretty good straight cuts with
>> the tool. The standard 3/4 round blades cut pretty well and you
>> could rough cut with them and file it to finish for any
>> fiberglass work you do. It isn't nearly as fast as the
>> rough blade sawsall, but you won't find anything to use a
>> sawsall on for a plane anyway. The blade seemed to last a
>> pretty good amount of time. The glass was nearly 1/4" thick
>> and I probably cut 25' or more of distance with it. It's
>> pretty worn down now. But, if you were trimming wingtips
>> or something, it seems like it wouldn't do a bad job at all.
>> (just a guess since I wasn't trimming wingtips) The HF tool
>> didn't have any operational problems and I did run it until
>> it got pretty darn warm and then gave it a break. It does come
>> with new brushes, which many tools don't, so that's a plus.
>> All in all, I'm glad I bought it....it was real comforting
>> when cutting into the area that had electrical and network
>> wiring behind it....I didn't have to worry about wrecking
>> something too bad. It was also safer than the sawsall when
>> moving my hands near the cutter.
>>
>> So, I'm sure there are better tools, like the Fein or some
>> good name brands, but this one seems like it would survive
>> an RV-10 build for the small amount of cutting you'd do
>> with it.
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/9/2012 3:16 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>>
>>> To circle back on the tool thing....I did end up getting the
>>> Harbor Freight tool. I got it with a coupon for $34.99
>>> for the variable speed version, which does do 20K RPM.
>>> I also bought a diamond blade, a couple extra wood/metal
>>> circle blades, and a better pluger blade in addition to the
>>> one that came with it. I bought the $9.99 2 yr warranty
>>> too. It was $95 tax included, with all the extras.
>>>
>>> I read a few reviews of the HF one, and basically it
>>> was comparable in quality to the Rockwell. People said
>>> the old single speed was junk, but the variable was
>>> very nice and they used it for tons of things. Some
>>> did have problems, but with the added warranty they
>>> said they'd go that route because if something goes wrong
>>> you just bring it in and grab a new one. So for the
>>> money, it was a good way to go. The blades, incidentally,
>>> say they're good for Fein, Rockwell, Bosch, and all of the
>>> brands, so they must be very similar. So if it works,
>>> it should be good for me. If I have any real positive
>>> or negative comments I'll circle back and give them to
>>> you.
>>>
>>> I'm just glad the tub wasn't peach like Robins...but it
>>> is an awful gold color from the 70's. Resurfacing isn't
>>> something I'd like, but Neil's idea of the axe makes
>>> the project sound fun!
>>>
>>> On the topic of RV-14...a couple have asked "Why?".
>>>
>>> Well, I have a crystal ball. My crystal ball tells
>>> me that my kids will not want to travel with us when
>>> they are 15-18 years old unless they have friends with
>>> them. We only have a 4-seat plane. This gives us
>>> 6 seats of capacity for X/C trips, with 2 planes
>>> with similar speeds and ranges. But, it does a couple
>>> other things.... it gives the kids a plane to learn
>>> in, it gives a fun plane for local flights, and it
>>> gives me an aerobatic plane to play in. It's a toy
>>> plane, and one that I'm only planning to keep for
>>> maybe 10 years. It's "disposable". My RV-10 will
>>> probably never be sold. This one I'll probably try
>>> to get partners in, too. So I won't be quite as
>>> attached to this plane (I think), but it should be
>>> a lot of fun!
>>>
>>> Tim
>>> \
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Cutting - Vibrating tools |
I imagine with your experience now, and no forming of parts, and all
holes already final size, you can probably whip it out over the winter, eh?
Beats wasting time shoveling the driveway...just stay inside in the shop
and telecommute to work when they NEED your expertise.
:-P
On 11/9/2012 2:16 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> To circle back on the tool thing....I did end up getting the
> Harbor Freight tool. I got it with a coupon for $34.99
> for the variable speed version, which does do 20K RPM.
> I also bought a diamond blade, a couple extra wood/metal
> circle blades, and a better pluger blade in addition to the
> one that came with it. I bought the $9.99 2 yr warranty
> too. It was $95 tax included, with all the extras.
>
> I read a few reviews of the HF one, and basically it
> was comparable in quality to the Rockwell. People said
> the old single speed was junk, but the variable was
> very nice and they used it for tons of things. Some
> did have problems, but with the added warranty they
> said they'd go that route because if something goes wrong
> you just bring it in and grab a new one. So for the
> money, it was a good way to go. The blades, incidentally,
> say they're good for Fein, Rockwell, Bosch, and all of the
> brands, so they must be very similar. So if it works,
> it should be good for me. If I have any real positive
> or negative comments I'll circle back and give them to
> you.
>
> I'm just glad the tub wasn't peach like Robins...but it
> is an awful gold color from the 70's. Resurfacing isn't
> something I'd like, but Neil's idea of the axe makes
> the project sound fun!
>
> On the topic of RV-14...a couple have asked "Why?".
>
> Well, I have a crystal ball. My crystal ball tells
> me that my kids will not want to travel with us when
> they are 15-18 years old unless they have friends with
> them. We only have a 4-seat plane. This gives us
> 6 seats of capacity for X/C trips, with 2 planes
> with similar speeds and ranges. But, it does a couple
> other things.... it gives the kids a plane to learn
> in, it gives a fun plane for local flights, and it
> gives me an aerobatic plane to play in. It's a toy
> plane, and one that I'm only planning to keep for
> maybe 10 years. It's "disposable". My RV-10 will
> probably never be sold. This one I'll probably try
> to get partners in, too. So I won't be quite as
> attached to this plane (I think), but it should be
> a lot of fun!
>
> Tim
>
>
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