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0. 12:10 AM - Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution... (Matt Dralle)
1. 03:07 AM - Re: N410BL Update (Rob Kermanj)
2. 05:19 AM - Re: N410BL Update (Don McDonald)
3. 05:26 AM - Re: N410BL Update (Tim Olson)
4. 07:18 AM - Re: N410BL Update (Bob Leffler)
5. 08:24 AM - Maximum Climb Angle (Les Kearney)
6. 09:19 AM - Re: Maximum Climb Angle (Tim Olson)
7. 10:41 AM - Re: Maximum Climb Angle (Don McDonald)
8. 10:54 AM - Re: Maximum Climb Angle (Les Kearney)
9. 12:04 PM - Re: Maximum Climb Angle (rv10flyer)
10. 01:28 PM - Re: Maximum Climb Angle (Jesse Saint)
11. 03:21 PM - Re: Maximum Climb Angle (Bob Turner)
12. 03:57 PM - Manifold Pressure 'excursions' Your feedback wanted (Deems Davis)
13. 04:13 PM - Re: Manifold Pressure 'excursions' Your feedback wanted (Kelly McMullen)
14. 04:16 PM - Re: Manifold Pressure 'excursions' Your feedback wanted (Dave Saylor)
15. 08:20 PM - Re: Maximum Climb Angle (johngoodman)
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| Subject: | Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution... |
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| Subject: | Re: N410BL Update |
Nice. Aren't we lucky?
On Nov 24, 2012, at 3:57 PM, Bob Leffler wrote:
> Picked up the fuselage from the painter this morning, then watched OSU
beat Michigan. What a great way to spend a Saturday! I should have the
wings back in a couple weeks, then final assembly begins!
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> <image007.jpg><image008.jpg><image009.jpg>
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| Subject: | Re: N410BL Update |
Looking good Bob.... bet your glad you were able to keep going!- Be looki
ng for you in the sky soon.=0ADon McDonald=0AJust returned yesterday from a
n 8 day trip to Calif in the "machine".=0A =0A=0A__________________________
______=0A From: Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.
com; OhioValleyRVators@yahoogroups.com =0ASent: Saturday, November 24, 2012
2:57 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: N410BL Update=0A =0A=0APicked up the fusela
ge from the painter this morning, then watched OSU beat Michigan.- What a
great way to spend a Saturday!- I should have the wings back in a couple
weeks, then final assembly begins!
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| Subject: | Re: N410BL Update |
Awesome job, Bob, I bet the whole family is excited now after
seeing it in paint!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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On 11/24/2012 2:57 PM, Bob Leffler wrote:
> Picked up the fuselage from the painter this morning, then watched OSU
> beat Michigan. What a great way to spend a Saturday! I should have the
> wings back in a couple weeks, then final assembly begins!
>
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| Subject: | Re: N410BL Update |
Since Brad started pilot training at Sheppard AFB this past year, Janice has been
very anxious to get the RV-10 flying so we can visit more frequently. So
much, that she did a fair amount of the fairing work herself. The paint design
is her's too. This past year, it's clearly been a family affair.
Unfortunately, I tore my Achilles' tendon and have to have surgery in a couple
weeks. So it looks like first flight will be delayed a couple months. If I
don't make Sun n Fun, I'll definitely be there for OSH.
Bob
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 25, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> Awesome job, Bob, I bet the whole family is excited now after
> seeing it in paint!
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 11/24/2012 2:57 PM, Bob Leffler wrote:
>> Picked up the fuselage from the painter this morning, then watched OSU
>> beat Michigan. What a great way to spend a Saturday! I should have the
>> wings back in a couple weeks, then final assembly begins!
>
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| Subject: | Maximum Climb Angle |
Hi
One of the things I need to do for my final inspection is ensure fuel flow
with minimum fuel at the maximum climb angle.
Can anyone tell me what the maximum pitch angle is in a climb?
I will assume that the minimum fuel is whatever it takes to allow fuel to
flow at that angle. Anyone have an idea of what that might be?
Cheers
Les
#40643 - CGCWZ
So close, oh so close...
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum Climb Angle |
I'd say it FEELS like 70 degrees or so. :)
But, it's probably more like 30-35 as a max, as a
norm it's probably much less yet.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 11/25/2012 10:23 AM, Les Kearney wrote:
> Hi
>
> One of the things I need to do for my final inspection is ensure fuel
> flow with minimum fuel at the maximum climb angle.
>
> Can anyone tell me what the maximumpitch angle is in a climb?
>
> I will assume that theminimumfuel is whatever it takes to allow fuel to
> flow at that angle.Anyone have an idea of what that might be?
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
> #40643 - CGCWZ
>
> Soclose, oh so close..
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum Climb Angle |
Actually if you think about it, it's backward... with minimum fuel you shou
ld want to know what is the maximum decent angle... cause with minimum fuel
, you should be coming down, not going up. =C2-Just kidding here.=0AProba
bly a bigger consideration would be which tank are you on when low on fuel
in the pattern? =C2- Better be on the opposite tank as the pattern direct
ion.... and that may not be the fullest tank.=0ADon McDonald=0A=0A=0A______
__________________________=0A From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>=0ATo: rv10-l
ist@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 11:18 AM=0ASubject: Re
Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>=0A=0AI'd say it FEELS like 70 degrees or so. :)=0AB
ut, it's probably more like 30-35 as a max, as a=0Anorm it's probably much
less yet.=0A=0ATim Olson - RV-10 N104CD=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0AOn 11/25/2
012 10:23 AM, Les Kearney wrote:=0A> Hi=0A>=0A> One of the things I need to
do for my final inspection is ensure fuel=0A> flow with minimum fuel at th
e maximum climb angle.=0A>=0A> Can anyone tell me what the maximumpitch ang
le is in a climb?=0A>=0A> I will assume that theminimumfuel is whatever it
takes to allow fuel to=0A> flow at that angle.Anyone have an idea of what t
hat might be?=0A>=0A> Cheers=0A>=0A> Les=0A>=0A> #40643 - CGCWZ=0A>=0A> Soc
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum Climb Angle |
Don
Quite true and good info to have. On the other hand this is a very specific i
nfo requirement that I have to satisfy.
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
On 2012-11-25, at 11:40 AM, Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Actually if you think about it, it's backward... with minimum fuel you sho
uld want to know what is the maximum decent angle... cause with minimum fuel
, you should be coming down, not going up. Just kidding here.
> Probably a bigger consideration would be which tank are you on when low on
fuel in the pattern? Better be on the opposite tank as the pattern direct
ion.... and that may not be the fullest tank.
> Don McDonald
>
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 11:18 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Maximum Climb Angle
>
>
> I'd say it FEELS like 70 degrees or so. :)
> But, it's probably more like 30-35 as a max, as a
> norm it's probably much less yet.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 11/25/2012 10:23 AM, Les Kearney wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > One of the things I need to do for my final inspection is ensure fuel
> > flow with minimum fuel at the maximum climb angle.
> >
> > Can anyone tell me what the maximumpitch angle is in a climb?
> >
> > I will assume that theminimumfuel is whatever it takes to allow fuel to
> > flow at that angle.Anyone have an idea of what that might be?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Les
> >
> > #40643 - CGCWZ
> >
> > Soclose, oh so close..
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum Climb Angle |
Have a couple of people hold your tail down onto your tie down. That will get you
close. I was getting 42 gph with a 15' hose connected to fuel line from servo
inlet.
Also if you like to slip instead of crab during xw landings, you will want to be
on the downwind tank. It may or may not be the tank opposite the pattern direction.
--------
Wayne Gillispie
12/01/2011
TT= 95
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum Climb Angle |
You could calculate based on VS & airspeed. At sea level low on fuel, max co
uld be 2,000fpm at 110kias. You could calculate the angle based on that and d
o your measurement. In coordinated flight, it doesn't matter which tank vers
us which way you turn, but when I'm low I hold some rudder from the side tha
t I am burning, but that doesn't affect your test. The benefit for you is th
at the pickup is at the back of the tank, so you will burn much lower before
sucking air than in level flight. Note, though, that you want to set minimu
m fuel in a level situation to get an accurate reading of the fuel level. Wi
th the tail on the ground you may get a couple of gallons after your gauge r
eads empty.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
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On Nov 25, 2012, at 11:23 AM, "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Hi
>
> One of the things I need to do for my final inspection is ensure fuel flow
with minimum fuel at the maximum climb angle.
>
> Can anyone tell me what the maximum pitch angle is in a climb?
>
> I will assume that the minimum fuel is whatever it takes to allow fuel to f
low at that angle. Anyone have an idea of what that might be?
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
> #40643 - CGCWZ
>
> So close, oh so close..
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum Climb Angle |
"Probably a bigger consideration would be which tank are you on when low on fuel
in the pattern? Better be on the opposite tank as the pattern direction....
and that may not be the fullest tank. "
This is an OWT. As long as you fly coordinated turns, it makes no difference. Uncoordinated
- as in a cross wind landing - it might be best to have fuel from
the higher tank.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Manifold Pressure 'excursions' Your feedback wanted |
We just returned from a trip to Yosemite for Thanksgiving. On the return
flight leaving Mariposa Airport, after pulling everything back to 25 Sq for
climb, I had exited the pattern and established a climb @ 105 kts when I
noticed that the MP was reading 30 " !. My 1st reaction was that I must not
have pulled the throttle back, but when I pulled the throttle back to 25"
the fuel flow dropped to 10 gph, and the engine noise softened
considerably. I increased the throttle back to where the fuel flow should
have been for climb out and watched the MP slowly drop back to 'normal'.
All other gauges appeared to be reading what I would expect them to be. I
monitored everything closely for the next 30 mins and everything looked and
acted 'normal'.
About 1:30 into the flight everything was stable @ 22" MP and 2350 RPM, and
again the MP suddenly increased to 26". Again all other guages read normal,
and no change in the sound of the engine. Once again the MP slowly
decreased until it settled again @ 22".
Does anybody have any similar experience or insight into what the root
cause could be?
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| Subject: | Re: Manifold Pressure 'excursions' Your feedback wanted |
Deems,
Sounds like you have a fitting coming loose or other intermittent leak. MP
will go up to ambient if the seal is broken on MP line.
Mariposa and Yosemite are great. We were there right after Labor Day.
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
> We just returned from a trip to Yosemite for Thanksgiving. On the return
> flight leaving Mariposa Airport, after pulling everything back to 25 Sq for
> climb, I had exited the pattern and established a climb @ 105 kts when I
> noticed that the MP was reading 30 " !. My 1st reaction was that I must not
> have pulled the throttle back, but when I pulled the throttle back to 25"
> the fuel flow dropped to 10 gph, and the engine noise softened
> considerably. I increased the throttle back to where the fuel flow should
> have been for climb out and watched the MP slowly drop back to 'normal'.
> All other gauges appeared to be reading what I would expect them to be. I
> monitored everything closely for the next 30 mins and everything looked and
> acted 'normal'.
> About 1:30 into the flight everything was stable @ 22" MP and 2350 RPM,
> and again the MP suddenly increased to 26". Again all other guages read
> normal, and no change in the sound of the engine. Once again the MP slowly
> decreased until it settled again @ 22".
>
> Does anybody have any similar experience or insight into what the root
> cause could be?
>
> *
>
> *
>
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| Subject: | Re: Manifold Pressure 'excursions' Your feedback wanted |
Deems,
Could you have a leak in the sender line? Was the ambient pressure anywhere
near 26" the second time? I would clean out and test the line to the MAP s
ensor. See if you can catch anything that comes out--just to see. If it seem
s perfectly clean then consider the sender. It doesn't sound at all like an a
ctual indication.
--Dave
On Nov 25, 2012, at 15:56, Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
> We just returned from a trip to Yosemite for Thanksgiving. On the return f
light leaving Mariposa Airport, after pulling everything back to 25 Sq for c
limb, I had exited the pattern and established a climb @ 105 kts when I noti
ced that the MP was reading 30 " !. My 1st reaction was that I must not have
pulled the throttle back, but when I pulled the throttle back to 25" the fu
el flow dropped to 10 gph, and the engine noise softened considerably. I inc
reased the throttle back to where the fuel flow should have been for climb o
ut and watched the MP slowly drop back to 'normal'. All other gauges appeare
d to be reading what I would expect them to be. I monitored everything close
ly for the next 30 mins and everything looked and acted 'normal'.
> About 1:30 into the flight everything was stable @ 22" MP and 2350 RPM, an
d again the MP suddenly increased to 26". Again all other guages read normal
, and no change in the sound of the engine. Once again the MP slowly decreas
ed until it settled again @ 22".
>
> Does anybody have any similar experience or insight into what the root cau
se could be?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum Climb Angle |
Les,
Since the RV-10 is non-acrobatic, there is no need to know that number. Also, the
only reason that would come into play is doing a hot-shot snap up into a break
when you're almost out of gas - an opportunity to get a Darwin Award. (g)
You mentioned: "On the other hand this is a very specific info requirement that
I have to satisfy."
If that info requirement is a limitation you want to put in your POH, I'd advise
against it.
John
[quote="kearney"]Hi
One of the things I need to do for my final inspection is ensure fuel flow with
minimum fuel at the maximum climb angle.
Can anyone tell me what the maximum pitch angle is in a climb?
I will assume that the minimum fuel is whatever it takes to allow fuel to flow
at that angle. Anyone have an idea of what that might be?
Cheers
Les
#40643 - CGCWZ
So close, oh so close..
> [b]
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