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1. 06:31 AM - Re: Initial Brake Fluid Qty (johngoodman)
2. 06:45 AM - Re: Initial Brake Fluid Qty (rv10flyer)
3. 07:05 AM - Re: Initial Brake Fluid Qty (johngoodman)
4. 07:07 AM - Re: Re: Initial Brake Fluid Qty (Kelly McMullen)
5. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: Initial Brake Fluid Qty (Sean Stephens)
6. 08:39 AM - Dirty Laundry (jkreidler)
7. 08:52 AM - Re: Dirty Laundry (Jesse Saint)
8. 09:03 AM - Re: Dirty Laundry (Sean Stephens)
9. 09:33 AM - Re: Dirty Laundry (Roger Standley)
10. 09:55 AM - Re: Dirty Laundry (jkreidler)
11. 10:10 AM - Re: Re: Dirty Laundry (Pascal)
12. 06:53 PM - Re: Re: Dirty Laundry (Kelly McMullen)
13. 07:55 PM - Mesa and KFFZ (Sheldon Olesen)
14. 08:09 PM - Re: Mesa and KFFZ (nukeflyboy)
15. 08:19 PM - Re: N410BL Update (nukeflyboy)
16. 08:19 PM - Re: Mesa and KFFZ (Kelly McMullen)
17. 08:30 PM - Re: Mesa and KFFZ (Roxanne and Mike Lefever)
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| Subject: | Re: Initial Brake Fluid Qty |
The small 4 oz bottle from Aircraft Spruce "should be enough"... depending on how
much you spill. Also, you might need a little more in your pump/bleeder (whatever
you use to pump it up from the bottom). Do you have a friend that already
has a pump setup? If so, borrow his and replace what you use with the 4 oz
bottle. Otherwise, get more and look for a pump system.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Initial Brake Fluid Qty |
10 oz.
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Wayne G.
12/01/2011
TT= 95
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| Subject: | Re: Initial Brake Fluid Qty |
Actually, 10 oz might be right. Looking back, my container from Spruce was 16 oz,
not 4 oz.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Initial Brake Fluid Qty |
Figure a pint bottle as a minimum, to allow for spillage, and to have some
to top off when the pads wear and more fluid is needed in the calipers.
Think seriously about getting the high temp, fire resistant fluid.
MIL-PRF-83282D
available
http://www.skygeek.com/royco-782-synthetic-fire-resistant-hydraulic-fluid.html
and elsewhere, but I think 1 Qt is about the minimum you will find.
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:44 AM, rv10flyer <wayne.gillispie@gmail.com>wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Initial Brake Fluid Qty |
Thanks everyone. I ordered the quart of high temp from SkyGeek along
with mineral oil and some dehydrator plugs.
-Sean
On 11/27/12 9:06 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> Figure a pint bottle as a minimum, to allow for spillage, and to have
> some to top off when the pads wear and more fluid is needed in the
> calipers.
> Think seriously about getting the high temp, fire resistant fluid.
> MIL-PRF-83282D
> available
> http://www.skygeek.com/royco-782-synthetic-fire-resistant-hydraulic-fluid.html
> and elsewhere, but I think 1 Qt is about the minimum you will find.
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:44 AM, rv10flyer <wayne.gillispie@gmail.com
> <mailto:wayne.gillispie@gmail.com>> wrote:
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I just wanted to share an issue that we discovered during our annual inspection.
This is just a bit embarrassing since we seemed to have potentially solved
some issues that we have been having since shortly after we first started flying
our airplane (450 hours). But unless we are willing to share our embarrassing
errors we will not save others from making the same mistake.
As some may know we have struggled to run anything near LOP without the engine
stumbling, we made many modifications to help this situation and made significant
improvements, but were never comfortable with the way the engine ran LOP.
We blamed this on the James Cowl and Plenum installation; I am not saying our
discovery takes the cowl and plenum off the table as contributing factors to
LOP issues.
Lately, our CHT temps started rising, and we were unable to climb at altitude without
getting the CHTs above 400. We also noticed a fuel smell on takeoff, I
have searched high and low for the source of the fuel smell. Our engine has
always idled a little rough; we were told and convinced that this was caused by
the fuel vaporizing in the injector lines since we had a tight cowl and plenum.
Then we gained a symptom that lead to discovering our problem. Lately our idle
RPM rose to around 1050 this was the symptom that got me looking for intake
leaks. There it was, four of our intake gaskets were obviously leaking. We could
see the gaskets were out of place, so I pulled all of the intake tubes and
found some amazing gasket placements. The picture below shows one of the gaskets,
this is as it came off the engine.
So after replacing the gaskets and performing the rest of the annual a test flight
was in order. Wow, someone hung a brand new engine! Keep in mind we have
only done one test flight, so the data is very limited but there was noticeable
improvement. CHTs down, no fuel smell, pull the mixture and the engine just
sort of looses power without any stumble at all, idle speed down to 650. Also
of note, during full power static run-up our fuel flow went from 20.2 GPH
to 23.5 GPH.
I have a hard time believing that the engine was assembled with the gaskets out
of place, I also have a hard time believing that the gaskets have not been leaking
for some time, perhaps even very early on, and obviously getting worse.
There it is our dirty laundry, hopefully this information is useful to others.
Thanks, Jason
--------
Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
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| Subject: | Re: Dirty Laundry |
Jason,
Are you fuel injected or carburated?
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Nov 27, 2012, at 11:38 AM, jkreidler <jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com> wrote:
>
> I just wanted to share an issue that we discovered during our annual inspection.
This is just a bit embarrassing since we seemed to have potentially solved
some issues that we have been having since shortly after we first started flying
our airplane (450 hours). But unless we are willing to share our embarrassing
errors we will not save others from making the same mistake.
>
> As some may know we have struggled to run anything near LOP without the engine
stumbling, we made many modifications to help this situation and made significant
improvements, but were never comfortable with the way the engine ran LOP.
We blamed this on the James Cowl and Plenum installation; I am not saying our
discovery takes the cowl and plenum off the table as contributing factors to
LOP issues.
>
> Lately, our CHT temps started rising, and we were unable to climb at altitude
without getting the CHTs above 400. We also noticed a fuel smell on takeoff,
I have searched high and low for the source of the fuel smell. Our engine has
always idled a little rough; we were told and convinced that this was caused
by the fuel vaporizing in the injector lines since we had a tight cowl and plenum.
>
> Then we gained a symptom that lead to discovering our problem. Lately our idle
RPM rose to around 1050 this was the symptom that got me looking for intake
leaks. There it was, four of our intake gaskets were obviously leaking. We
could see the gaskets were out of place, so I pulled all of the intake tubes
and found some amazing gasket placements. The picture below shows one of the
gaskets, this is as it came off the engine.
>
> So after replacing the gaskets and performing the rest of the annual a test flight
was in order. Wow, someone hung a brand new engine! Keep in mind we have
only done one test flight, so the data is very limited but there was noticeable
improvement. CHTs down, no fuel smell, pull the mixture and the engine
just sort of looses power without any stumble at all, idle speed down to 650.
Also of note, during full power static run-up our fuel flow went from 20.2 GPH
to 23.5 GPH.
> I have a hard time believing that the engine was assembled with the gaskets out
of place, I also have a hard time believing that the gaskets have not been
leaking for some time, perhaps even very early on, and obviously getting worse.
>
> There it is our dirty laundry, hopefully this information is useful to others.
>
> Thanks, Jason
>
> --------
> Jason Kreidler
> 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
> N44YH - Flying - #40617
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389123#389123
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| Subject: | Re: Dirty Laundry |
I just mounted the engine a few days ago. When reading up on some other
points, I've read of so many issues with the intake gaskets that I will
be pulling my intakes and checking them. I'll be applying a small bit of
Hylomar Universal Blue on them during re-assembly after seeing so many
issues with crumbling intake gaskets.
-Sean #40303 (assembling engine baffling)
On 11/27/12 10:38 AM, jkreidler wrote:
>
> I just wanted to share an issue that we discovered during our annual inspection.
This is just a bit embarrassing since we seemed to have potentially solved
some issues that we have been having since shortly after we first started flying
our airplane (450 hours). But unless we are willing to share our embarrassing
errors we will not save others from making the same mistake.
>
> As some may know we have struggled to run anything near LOP without the engine
stumbling, we made many modifications to help this situation and made significant
improvements, but were never comfortable with the way the engine ran LOP.
We blamed this on the James Cowl and Plenum installation; I am not saying our
discovery takes the cowl and plenum off the table as contributing factors to
LOP issues.
>
> Lately, our CHT temps started rising, and we were unable to climb at altitude
without getting the CHTs above 400. We also noticed a fuel smell on takeoff,
I have searched high and low for the source of the fuel smell. Our engine has
always idled a little rough; we were told and convinced that this was caused
by the fuel vaporizing in the injector lines since we had a tight cowl and plenum.
>
> Then we gained a symptom that lead to discovering our problem. Lately our idle
RPM rose to around 1050 this was the symptom that got me looking for intake
leaks. There it was, four of our intake gaskets were obviously leaking. We
could see the gaskets were out of place, so I pulled all of the intake tubes
and found some amazing gasket placements. The picture below shows one of the
gaskets, this is as it came off the engine.
>
> So after replacing the gaskets and performing the rest of the annual a test flight
was in order. Wow, someone hung a brand new engine! Keep in mind we have
only done one test flight, so the data is very limited but there was noticeable
improvement. CHTs down, no fuel smell, pull the mixture and the engine
just sort of looses power without any stumble at all, idle speed down to 650.
Also of note, during full power static run-up our fuel flow went from 20.2 GPH
to 23.5 GPH.
> I have a hard time believing that the engine was assembled with the gaskets out
of place, I also have a hard time believing that the gaskets have not been
leaking for some time, perhaps even very early on, and obviously getting worse.
>
> There it is our dirty laundry, hopefully this information is useful to others.
>
> Thanks, Jason
>
> --------
> Jason Kreidler
> 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
> N44YH - Flying - #40617
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389123#389123
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| Subject: | Re: Dirty Laundry |
Jason, maybe I missed it but was your engine new or rebuilt?
----- Original Message -----
From: Sean Stephens<mailto:sean@stephensville.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dirty Laundry
<sean@stephensville.com<mailto:sean@stephensville.com>>
I just mounted the engine a few days ago. When reading up on some
other
points, I've read of so many issues with the intake gaskets that I
will
be pulling my intakes and checking them. I'll be applying a small bit
of
Hylomar Universal Blue on them during re-assembly after seeing so many
issues with crumbling intake gaskets.
-Sean #40303 (assembling engine baffling)
On 11/27/12 10:38 AM, jkreidler wrote:
<jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com<mailto:jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>>
>
> I just wanted to share an issue that we discovered during our annual
inspection. This is just a bit embarrassing since we seemed to have
potentially solved some issues that we have been having since shortly
after we first started flying our airplane (450 hours). But unless we
are willing to share our =98embarrassing=99 errors we will
not save others from making the same mistake.
>
> As some may know we have struggled to run anything near LOP without
the engine =98stumbling=99, we made many modifications to
help this situation and made significant improvements, but were never
comfortable with the way the engine ran LOP. We blamed this on the
James Cowl and Plenum installation; I am not saying our discovery takes
the cowl and plenum off the table as contributing factors to LOP issues.
>
> Lately, our CHT temps started rising, and we were unable to climb at
altitude without getting the CHT=99s above 400. We also noticed a
fuel smell on takeoff, I have searched high and low for the source of
the fuel smell. Our engine has always idled a little rough; we were
told and convinced that this was caused by the fuel vaporizing in the
injector lines since we had a tight cowl and plenum.
>
> Then we gained a symptom that lead to discovering our problem.
Lately our idle RPM rose to around 1050 =93 this was the symptom
that got me looking for intake leaks. There it was, four of our intake
gaskets were obviously leaking. We could see the gaskets were out of
place, so I pulled all of the intake tubes and found some amazing gasket
placements. The picture below shows one of the gaskets, this is as it
came off the engine.
>
> So after replacing the gaskets and performing the
=98rest=99 of the annual a test flight was in order. Wow,
someone hung a brand new engine! Keep in mind we have only done one
test flight, so the data is very limited =93 but there was
noticeable improvement. CHT=99s down, no fuel smell, pull the
mixture and the engine just sort of looses power without any stumble at
all, idle speed down to 650. Also of note, during full power static
run-up our fuel flow went from 20.2 GPH to 23.5 GPH.
> I have a hard time believing that the engine was assembled with the
gaskets out of place, I also have a hard time believing that the gaskets
have not been leaking for some time, perhaps even very early on, and
obviously getting worse.
>
> There it is =93 our dirty laundry, hopefully this information
is useful to others.
>
> Thanks, Jason
>
> --------
> Jason Kreidler
> 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
> N44YH - Flying - #40617
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dirty Laundry |
New - Lycoming - Thunderbolt
IO-540-D4A5
260 HP (Std Compression)
Airflow Performance Injection
Dual Mags
Thanks Jason
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Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
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| Subject: | Re: Dirty Laundry |
I think you owe it to Lycoming/Thunderbolt to tell them there is a problem
and your thoughts. They need to know this for their own feedback not as a
criticism. Sure, my rebuilt had issues and Americas engine came through each
and everytime for me sent me whatever I need to resolve "setting" breaking
in issues. They were grateful for my feedback is the point and I think
Thunderbolt will too.
Nice job getting this resolved!
-----Original Message-----
From: jkreidler
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 9:55 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Dirty Laundry
<jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
New - Lycoming - Thunderbolt
IO-540-D4A5
260 HP (Std Compression)
Airflow Performance Injection
Dual Mags
Thanks Jason
--------
Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
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| Subject: | Re: Dirty Laundry |
Keeping your note in mind, I looked at each intake port gasket externally
on my new to me engine that arrived this afternoon. All looked good.
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:55 AM, jkreidler
<jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>wrote:
> jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
>
> New - Lycoming - Thunderbolt
> IO-540-D4A5
> 260 HP (Std Compression)
> Airflow Performance Injection
> Dual Mags
>
> Thanks Jason
>
> --------
> Jason Kreidler
> 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
> N44YH - Flying - #40617
>
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I have a trip planned to Mesa's Falcon Field (KFFZ) and would like advice on
a good FBO. It seems they are numerous and I haven't a clue which one to pick.
Things to do in the area would be appreciated as well.
Thanks
Sheldo Olesen
N475PV 440hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Mesa and KFFZ |
I don't know anything about the field but we recently stayed nearby and really
enjoyed the Boyce-Thompson State Park. It specializes in desert plants and is
a great place for a walk/hike. It is located in the town of Superior, about
40 minutes east of the metromess.
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RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - flying
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| Subject: | Re: N410BL Update |
Bob - it looks terrific. I went the other route - now have 105 hours on it and
still not ready for paint. I visited with our paint shop and now need to get
serious. Maybe my wife will sand some fiberglass too??? Yeah, right.
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| Subject: | Re: Mesa and KFFZ |
Can't say that I can make a recommendation at FFZ. However, unless you
have real need to be there, CHD is only around 10nm SW, with cheaper
fuel, cafe on field, with nearby lodging and rental cars. FBO full and
self serve, and city self serve fuel, full service maintenance facility,
etc. I'm based there, building my -10 there, happy to assist.
There are plenty of things to do, from golf, zoo, botanical gardens, art
and other museums.
FFZ does have both CAF facility with numerous WWII aircraft, and Boeing
helicopter factory. 2 flying -10s there and another nearby in finishing
phase.
Around the area there is Sedona with scenic red rocks, aircraft carrier
runway. Eloy has world class sky diving facility. Tucson has Pima Air
Museum and Davis Monthan AFB with both active A-10 squadron and most
mothballed USAF aircraft. Pinal AirPark is one of the country's biggest
airliner storage facility.
On 11/27/2012 8:54 PM, Sheldon Olesen wrote:
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> I have a trip planned to Mesa's Falcon Field (KFFZ) and would like advice on
a good FBO. It seems they are numerous and I haven't a clue which one to pick.
>
> Things to do in the area would be appreciated as well.
>
> Thanks
>
> Sheldo Olesen
> N475PV 440hrs
>
> Do not archive
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> Sent from my iPad
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Falcon Aviation ............but recommend you use the self serve fuel for s
avings...............but don't be bashful about asking Falcon if they have
hangar or t-Shade available (for a fee of course)...............although no
t alot of risk at a simple tie down outside............as of today the mult
iple day forcast it sunny..........then sunny.......then expected to be sun
ny.......... If you indicate what types of activities you enjoy we can get
you lots of recomendations................
> Subject: RV10-List: Mesa and KFFZ
> From: saolesen@sirentel.net
> Date: Tue=2C 27 Nov 2012 21:54:43 -0600
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
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>
> I have a trip planned to Mesa's Falcon Field (KFFZ) and would like advi
ce on a good FBO. It seems they are numerous and I haven't a clue which on
e to pick.
>
> Things to do in the area would be appreciated as well.
>
> Thanks
>
> Sheldo Olesen
> N475PV 440hrs
>
> Do not archive
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
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