---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/01/12: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:03 AM - Upper Fwd Fuselage Sec 31 (Rick Lark) 2. 08:26 AM - Re: Upper Fwd Fuselage Sec 31 (Ron B.) 3. 08:26 AM - Mag cooling tubes (woxofswa) 4. 10:28 AM - Re: Mag cooling tubes (Dave Saylor) 5. 11:59 AM - Re: Mag cooling tubes (Carl Froehlich) 6. 12:10 PM - Re: Mag cooling tubes (Robin Marks) 7. 01:22 PM - Baron Mobile Link System for sale (Dick & Vicki Sipp) 8. 04:24 PM - Routing the Elevator Trim cables (Carlos Trigo) 9. 04:34 PM - Re: Mag cooling tubes (Kelly McMullen) 10. 04:39 PM - Re: Routing the Elevator Trim cables (Rene) 11. 04:46 PM - Re: Routing the Elevator Trim cables (Jesse Saint) 12. 04:56 PM - Re: Routing the Elevator Trim cables (bob-tcw) 13. 05:54 PM - Re: Routing the Elevator Trim cables (Carl Froehlich) 14. 06:36 PM - Re: Routing the Elevator Trim cables (Roxanne and Mike Lefever) 15. 06:58 PM - Re: Routing the Elevator Trim cables (Chris) 16. 08:16 PM - Re: Routing the Elevator Trim cables (Bob Turner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:31 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Upper Fwd Fuselage Sec 31 From: Rick Lark Hi All Currently working on the fwd fuse and I just noticed I have section 31Q plans, as well as a section 31. I scanned through both copies and can't find any differences. Even the revision numbers on both copies are mixed with all sorts of different dates. Does anyone know why I would have both? Thx, Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:19 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Upper Fwd Fuselage Sec 31 From: "Ron B." I do believe that 31Q was for the optional throttle quadrant mount.If you look at pn/F-1083 on page 31-9 you'll see that it's mounted different. I don't remember but it might also be a different part (I'm only looking at plan 31 as I don't have 31Q in front of me. Ron Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389672#389672 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:30 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Mag cooling tubes From: "woxofswa" I'll be running Bendix 1200's primarily in AZ. I'm curious about the brain trust consensus about mag cooling tubes. My spam cans never had them. Are they air worth taking or is the air put to better use left in the containment area? What about the fuel pump? Thanks in advance. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. Finishing kit and FWF kit in progress. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389673#389673 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:46 AM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: Mag cooling tubes I think it helps to cool the part of the mag closest to the breaker cam. The little plastic follower that rides on the cam seems most sensitive to heat. Make sure you keep the tube up close the the magneto case so the cooler air doesn't get diluted before it reaches the mag. I don't cool my fuel pump but I don't have to deal with the OATs that you do. Dave Saylor 831-750-0284 CL On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 8:26 AM, woxofswa wrote: > > I'll be running Bendix 1200's primarily in AZ. I'm curious about the > brain trust consensus about mag cooling tubes. My spam cans never had them. > Are they air worth taking or is the air put to better use left in the > containment area? > What about the fuel pump? > Thanks in advance. > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. Finishing > kit and FWF kit in progress. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389673#389673 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:59:55 AM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Mag cooling tubes I'm not using cooling tubes on the mags - I will however back fit a small tube if/when Brad at Emag ever gets the six cylinder electronic ignition done. On the fuel pump, no cooling tube but I had a lot of concern on the location of the cabin heat control valves. In the summertime all that really hot air coming off the heat muffs is dumped right toward the fuel pump. I put a piece of KoolMat http://www.aircraftspruce.com/search/search.php?s=KOOLMAT+INSULATION&x=0&y=0 between the firewall and the control valves (hole cut out where the value penetrates the firewall0 then draped the KoolMat over the top of the valves, tucking the end between the bottom of the valves and the nose gear mount. This redirects the dumped hot air down and away from the engine and fuel pump. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of woxofswa Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 11:26 AM Subject: RV10-List: Mag cooling tubes I'll be running Bendix 1200's primarily in AZ. I'm curious about the brain trust consensus about mag cooling tubes. My spam cans never had them. Are they air worth taking or is the air put to better use left in the containment area? What about the fuel pump? Thanks in advance. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. Finishing kit and FWF kit in progress. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389673#389673 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:33 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Mag cooling tubes Carl, I suspect you will have built your RV-27 before the 6 cylinder P-Mag arrives. Robin Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 11:59 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Mag cooling tubes --> I'm not using cooling tubes on the mags - I will however back fit a small tube if/when Brad at Emag ever gets the six cylinder electronic ignition done. On the fuel pump, no cooling tube but I had a lot of concern on the location of the cabin heat control valves. In the summertime all that really hot air coming off the heat muffs is dumped right toward the fuel pump. I put a piece of KoolMat http://www.aircraftspruce.com/search/search.php?s=KOOLMAT+INSULATION&x=0&y=0 between the firewall and the control valves (hole cut out where the value penetrates the firewall0 then draped the KoolMat over the top of the valves, tucking the end between the bottom of the valves and the nose gear mount. This redirects the dumped hot air down and away from the engine and fuel pump. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of woxofswa Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 11:26 AM Subject: RV10-List: Mag cooling tubes I'll be running Bendix 1200's primarily in AZ. I'm curious about the brain trust consensus about mag cooling tubes. My spam cans never had them. Are they air worth taking or is the air put to better use left in the containment area? What about the fuel pump? Thanks in advance. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. Finishing kit and FWF kit in progress. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389673#389673 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:21 PM PST US From: "Dick & Vicki Sipp" Subject: RV10-List: Baron Mobile Link System for sale Greetings: I have a complete Baron Weather Works system for sale. This system provides complete XM weather to your IPAD via a WIFI connection. Unlike ADSB this system provides near real time weather ON THE GROUND OR ANYWHERE IN THE US. I will also include the Dual portable GPS which provides accurate wireless GPS position to your IPAD. All cables and system components are included along with a triplex cigarette power adapter. All equipment is in like new condition. This is a $1,200 value. After having in flight weather I would not fly cross country trips again without it. Asking $500.00 or best offer. Dick Sipp ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:23 PM PST US From: "Carlos Trigo" Subject: RV10-List: Routing the Elevator Trim cables Gang I am finding it almost "impossible" to route the CT Q-43 teleflex cables from the Elevator Trim system through the Horizontal Stabilizer spars. Is there a secret I must know about this? Any hints are welcome Regards Carlos ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:26 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Mag cooling tubes I believe the Bendix 1200 uses a very different breaker cam follower arrangement than the Slicks the new engines come with. I don't know if there is anything in the Bendix that is particularly heat sensitive, but my Mooney has cooling blast tubes for the stock Bendix mags it came with 47 yrs ago. On 12/1/2012 11:26 AM, Dave Saylor wrote: > I think it helps to cool the part of the mag closest to the breaker > cam. The little plastic follower that rides on the cam seems most > sensitive to heat. Make sure you keep the tube up close the the > magneto case so the cooler air doesn't get diluted before it reaches > the mag. > > I don't cool my fuel pump but I don't have to deal with the OATs that > you do. > > Dave Saylor > 831-750-0284 CL > > > On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 8:26 AM, woxofswa > wrote: > > > > > I'll be running Bendix 1200's primarily in AZ. I'm curious about > the brain trust consensus about mag cooling tubes. My spam cans > never had them. > Are they air worth taking or is the air put to better use left in > the containment area? > What about the fuel pump? > Thanks in advance. > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. > Finishing kit and FWF kit in progress. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389673#389673 > > > ========== > > target="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com > ldersbooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > " target="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > ========== > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ========== > MS - > k">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > > > * > > > * ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:56 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Routing the Elevator Trim cables If I remember right.I used a shot fish tape.coat hanger.to make it happen... From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 5:22 PM Subject: RV10-List: Routing the Elevator Trim cables Gang I am finding it almost "impossible" to route the CT Q-43 teleflex cables from the Elevator Trim system through the Horizontal Stabilizer spars. Is there a secret I must know about this? Any hints are welcome Regards Carlos ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Routing the Elevator Trim cables From: Jesse Saint Run a piece of Pitot line or similar tubing throwing backwards, put threaded end into tube, push through as you get the HS in place. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org www.mavericklsa.com C: 352-427-0285 O: 352-465-4545 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2012, at 7:22 PM, "Carlos Trigo" wrote: > Gang > > I am finding it almost =9Cimpossible=9D to route the CT Q-43 t eleflex cables from the Elevator Trim system through the Horizontal Stabiliz er spars. > Is there a secret I must know about this? > Any hints are welcome > > Regards > Carlos > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:56 PM PST US From: "bob-tcw" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Routing the Elevator Trim cables Carlos, The first time I tried to route those cables I thought, =9C how is this possible?=9D fighting them all the way. So when I put them together after paint I attached a fish tape to the end of the cable and was able to pull them through the bushings and that elongated first hole without much difficulty at all. Being able to pull the cable through while pushing it from the other end was the secret for me. I though I was going to have to open up the oval hole, but did not with the help of a fish tape. Bob Newman N541RV flying, N361RV under construction...oops I did it again. From: Carlos Trigo Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 7:22 PM Subject: RV10-List: Routing the Elevator Trim cables Gang I am finding it almost =9Cimpossible=9D to route the CT Q-43 teleflex cables from the Elevator Trim system through the Horizontal Stabilizer spars. Is there a secret I must know about this? Any hints are welcome Regards Carlos ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:18 PM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Routing the Elevator Trim cables I was not thrilled with having the cable ride in the oval hole without some kind of protection. I added a snap bushing to the cable, but as the snap bushing is at an angle to the aluminum edge of the oval hole I added epoxy to hold the bushing in place. This eliminated the issue of having the oval hole aluminum edge cut into the cable. Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob-tcw Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 7:56 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Routing the Elevator Trim cables Carlos, The first time I tried to route those cables I thought, =9C how is this possible?=9D fighting them all the way. So when I put them together after paint I attached a fish tape to the end of the cable and was able to pull them through the bushings and that elongated first hole without much difficulty at all. Being able to pull the cable through while pushing it from the other end was the secret for me. I though I was going to have to open up the oval hole, but did not with the help of a fish tape. Bob Newman N541RV flying, N361RV under construction...oops I did it again. From: Carlos Trigo Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 7:22 PM Subject: RV10-List: Routing the Elevator Trim cables Gang I am finding it almost =9Cimpossible=9D to route the CT Q-43 teleflex cables from the Elevator Trim system through the Horizontal Stabilizer spars. Is there a secret I must know about this? Any hints are welcome Regards Carlos href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href= "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:05 PM PST US From: Roxanne and Mike Lefever Subject: RE: RV10-List: Routing the Elevator Trim cables I wasn't as smart as all of the other sensible solutions I now see here. I think I lost about a pint of blood from my fingers the first time I put th em through there. From: trigo@mail.telepac.pt Subject: RV10-List: Routing the Elevator Trim cables Gang I am finding it almost =93impossible=94 to route the CT Q-43 teleflex cables from the Elevator Trim system through the Horizontal Stabilizer spar s.Is there a secret I must know about this?Any hints are welcome RegardsCar los ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:25 PM PST US From: Chris Subject: RE: RV10-List: Routing the Elevator Trim cables I did this too but opened the oval a little more and added the Spring Fast edge protection to the oval. Fished cable through with aluminum tubing. -Chris N919AR ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Froehlich Sent: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 20:53:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: RV10-List: Routing the Elevator Trim cables I was not thrilled with having the cable ride in the oval hole without some kind of protection. I added a snap bushing to the cable, but as the snap bushing is at an angle to the aluminum edge of the oval hole I added epoxy to hold the bushing in place. This eliminated the issue of having the oval hole aluminum edge cut into the cable. Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-ser ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob-tcw Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 7:56 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Routing the Elevator Trim cables Carlos, The firs t time I tried to route those cables I thought, =9C how is this poss ible?=9D fighting them all the way. So when I put them together after paint I attached a fish tape to the end of the cable and was able to pull them through the bushings and that elongated first hole without much difficulty at all. Being able to pull the cable through while pushing it from the other end was the secret for me. I though I was going to have t o open up the oval hole, but did not with the help of a fish tape. Bob Newm anN541RV flying,N361RV under construction...oops I did it again. From:Carlo s TrigoSent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 7:22 PMTo:rv10-list@matronics.comC Subject: RV10-List: Routing the Elevator Trim cables Gang I am finding it a lmost =9Cimpossible=9D to route the CT Q-43 teleflex cables fro m the Elevator Trim system through the Horizontal Stabilizer spars.Is there a secret I must know about this?Any hints are welcome RegardsCarlos hre f="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.comhref="http://www.bu ildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.comhref="http://www.homebuilthelp.com" >www.homebuilthelp.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:/ /www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">h ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhref="http://forums.matronics. com">http://forums.matronics.com www.aeroelectric.comwww.buildersbooks.co mwww.homebuilthelp.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:04 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Routing the Elevator Trim cables From: "Bob Turner" I remember it was hard. 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