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1. 07:54 AM - Re: RV10-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 12/05/12 (Paul Hahn)
2. 07:56 AM - Localized antenna offset (Paul Hahn)
3. 08:30 AM - Re: Localized antenna offset (Bill Watson)
4. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas (Dj Merrill)
5. 12:14 PM - Archer type wingtip antennas (Bob Turner)
6. 12:14 PM - Re: Glideslope Antennas (Bob Turner)
7. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas (Dj Merrill)
8. 01:04 PM - Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas (Robin Marks)
9. 01:26 PM - Re: Archer type wingtip antennas (Bill Watson)
10. 02:30 PM - Re: Archer type wingtip antennas (Bob Turner)
11. 09:11 PM - Re: Re: Archer type wingtip antennas (Bill Watson)
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PH on the move
On Dec 6, 2012, at 1:01 AM, RV10-List Digest Server <rv10-list@matronics.com> wrote:
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> 1. 07:36 AM - Re: Delayed tail cone attaching? (Bill Judge)
> 2. 08:13 AM - Re: Delayed tail cone attaching? (Phil White)
> 3. 08:32 AM - Glideslope Antennas (Phillip Perry)
> 4. 08:43 AM - Re: Glideslope Antennas (Strasnuts)
> 5. 08:49 AM - Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas (Phillip Perry)
> 6. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas (Marcus Cooper)
> 7. 09:59 AM - Re: Glideslope Antennas (Bob Turner)
> 8. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas (Seano)
> 9. 11:18 AM - Re: Glideslope Antennas (Bob Turner)
> 10. 11:27 AM - Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas (Robin Marks)
> 11. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: Delayed tail cone attaching? (Tim Olson)
> 12. 11:39 AM - Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas (Ed Kranz)
> 13. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas (Tim Olson)
> 14. 12:06 PM - New AntiSplat Prop Wrench For Sale (Sean Stephens)
> 15. 12:10 PM - Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas (Robin Marks)
> 16. 12:13 PM - Re: Glideslope Antennas (Bob Turner)
> 17. 12:41 PM - Re: New AntiSplat Prop Wrench For Sale (pilotdds)
> 18. 01:38 PM - Re: New AntiSplat Prop Wrench For Sale (John MacCallum)
> 19. 01:45 PM - Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas (Ed Kranz)
> 20. 02:26 PM - Re: Glideslope Antennas (David Maib)
> 21. 03:11 PM - Re: New AntiSplat Prop Wrench For Sale (Sean Stephens)
> 22. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas (Bill Watson)
> 23. 05:07 PM - Re: Re: Glideslope Antennas (Phillip Perry)
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> Time: 07:36:19 AM PST US
> From: Bill Judge <bjudge@gmail.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Delayed tail cone attaching?
>
> Thanks for the advice.
>
> So, if you were length constrained, it sounds like the best you could do
> would be to cleco the tailcone on, fit the cabin top, finish the doors and
> interior then pull the tail cone off to do the fire wall forward work. In
> that case all you're saving is the length from the firewall to the spinner,
> bottom line is that you need 20 feet at least.
>
> Wing and empannage storage isn't a problem, I've got a hangar for that, I
> just know that the longer you stay at the house the faster you get done.
>
> VR,
> Bill
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:01 AM, RV10-List Digest Server <
> rv10-list@matronics.com> wrote:
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>> 1. 02:58 PM - Delayed tail cone attaching? (Bill Judge)
>> 2. 03:09 PM - Re: Delayed tail cone attaching? (Phillip Perry)
>> 3. 03:09 PM - Re: Delayed tail cone attaching? (John Cox)
>> 4. 03:57 PM - Re: Delayed tail cone attaching? (Jesse Saint)
>> 5. 06:10 PM - Re: Delayed tail cone attaching? (Bob Leffler)
>>
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>> ________________________________ Message 1
>> _____________________________________
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>>
>> Time: 02:58:17 PM PST US
>> From: Bill Judge <bjudge@gmail.com>
>> Subject: RV10-List: Delayed tail cone attaching?
>>
>> Greetings,
>> I'm figuring out space for building an RV-10, translation is that my wife
>> and I are passively shopping for a house.
>>
>> I'm wondering if you can delay attaching the tail cone until after you've
>> completed the firewall forward, interior, windows, doors and just about
>> everything else that takes forever to finish?
>>
>> Seems like you'd be able to build the RV-10 in a much smaller place if you
>> didn't have to attach the tail cone until much later, like at the airport.
>>
>> Anyway, I'd love to hear some opinions on this.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bill Judge
>> N84WJ, RV-8, 843 hrs
>> http://rv-8.blogspot.com/
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 2
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 03:09:09 PM PST US
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Delayed tail cone attaching?
>> From: Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com>
>>
>> I don't think that would be a problem. The only issue that I can think of
>> would be at the baggage bulkhead. I think you'd have to wait to do that
>> until the tailcone is attached.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Bill Judge <bjudge@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Seems like you'd be able to build the RV-10 in a much smaller place if
>> you
>>> didn't have to attach the tail cone until much later, like at the
>> airport.
>>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 3
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 03:09:41 PM PST US
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Delayed tail cone attaching?
>> From: John Cox <rv10pro@gmail.com>
>>
>> Longerons are integral to FWF and fuselage.
>>
>> John 40600
>> On Dec 4, 2012 3:02 PM, "Bill Judge" <bjudge@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings,
>>> I'm figuring out space for building an RV-10, translation is that my wife
>>> and I are passively shopping for a house.
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if you can delay attaching the tail cone until after you've
>>> completed the firewall forward, interior, windows, doors and just about
>>> everything else that takes forever to finish?
>>>
>>> Seems like you'd be able to build the RV-10 in a much smaller place if
>> you
>>> didn't have to attach the tail cone until much later, like at the
>> airport.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'd love to hear some opinions on this.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Bill Judge
>>> N84WJ, RV-8, 843 hrs
>>> http://rv-8.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 4
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 03:57:55 PM PST US
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Delayed tail cone attaching?
>> From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>
>> You really need the tailbone attached to be able to do doors and other
>> thing
>> s. You could possibly attach the rear windows to the cabin top, but that's
>> n
>> ot a big job. The cabin top installation requires the tailbone to be
>> attache
>> d.
>>
>> On the firewall forward, you would really want the upper forward fuselage
>> at
>> a minimum, and I may worry about things being deformed in the back if I
>> did
>> n't have the tailcone on, as John mentioned. I have replaced a tailcone on
>> a
>> finished plane before, so it isn't physically impossible, but the
>> tailcone h
>> ad originally been on when the rest had been done.
>>
>> In short, it can probably be done, but it would introduce more risks than
>> I w
>> ould want. At the very least I would want to Cleco the tailcone on and
>> insta
>> ll the cabin top permanently before going to the fwf, and that would be
>> abso
>> lutely necessary, IMHO, before doing the doors.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> I-TEC, Inc.
>> jesse@itecusa.org
>> www.itecusa.org
>> www.mavericklsa.com
>> C: 352-427-0285
>> O: 352-465-4545
>> F: 815-377-3694
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2012, at 6:09 PM, John Cox <rv10pro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Longerons are integral to FWF and fuselage.
>>>
>>> John 40600
>>>
>>> On Dec 4, 2012 3:02 PM, "Bill Judge" <bjudge@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Greetings,
>>>> I'm figuring out space for building an RV-10, translation is that my
>> wife
>> and I are passively shopping for a house.
>>>>
>>>> I'm wondering if you can delay attaching the tail cone until after
>> you've
>> completed the firewall forward, interior, windows, doors and just about
>> eve
>> rything else that takes forever to finish?
>>>>
>>>> Seems like you'd be able to build the RV-10 in a much smaller place if
>> yo
>> u didn't have to attach the tail cone until much later, like at the
>> airport.
>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I'd love to hear some opinions on this.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Bill Judge
>>>> N84WJ, RV-8, 843 hrs
>>>> http://rv-8.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com
>>>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com
>>>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com
>>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> ________________________________ Message 5
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 06:10:05 PM PST US
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Delayed tail cone attaching?
>> From: Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com>
>>
>>
>> I built 90% of my project in one half of a two car garage. You'll want
>> to a
>> ttach the tail cone, but you'll can leave the horizontal and vertical off
>> un
>> til the airport. The biggest issue is where to store the empennage parts
>> w
>> hile building the wings. I hung mine from the ceiling, but I have 14'
>> ceil
>> ings in the garage. I couldn't put on the engine mount on in my garage
>> due
>> to other things in the garage, but if your two car is empty, it shouldn't
>> b
>> e an issue.
>>
>> The fuselage and wings will take about the same amount of space.
>>
>> You won't be able to complete many tasks without the tail cone riveted to
>> th
>> e fuselage. Leaving it off wouldn't be my recommendation.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 4, 2012 3:02 PM, "Bill Judge" <bjudge@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Greetings,
>>>> I'm figuring out space for building an RV-10, translation is that my
>> wife
>> and I are passively shopping for a house.
>>>>
>>>> I'm wondering if you can delay attaching the tail cone until after
>> you've
>> completed the firewall forward, interior, windows, doors and just about
>> eve
>> rything else that takes forever to finish?
>>>>
>>>> Seems like you'd be able to build the RV-10 in a much smaller place if
>> yo
>> u didn't have to attach the tail cone until much later, like at the
>> airport.
>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I'd love to hear some opinions on this.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Bill Judge
>>>> N84WJ, RV-8, 843 hrs
>>>> http://rv-8.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com
>>>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com
>>>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com
>>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:13:30 AM PST US
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Delayed tail cone attaching?
> From: "Phil White" <philwhite9@aol.com>
>
>
> Bill: I built my -10 in one half a modest 2 car garage, attached tail cone,
and
> hung my Mazda engine (which with PSRU, is 6" longer than stock to prop flange),
> and I could close the garage door with 1/2" to spare. Not easy to pull out
> and re-park, but I did it several times, with jockeying. Also built a cradle
> that stored both wings leading edge down plus the horiz stab between, and it
> fit beside the fuse.
> All this to maintain marital peace by allowing wife's car to be in out of Chicago
> winters for several years.
> Better by far to build at home than drive to a hangar. Those late nite work
> session from 10:30 to 11:30 were very productive.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389902#389902
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:32:15 AM PST US
> Subject: RV10-List: Glideslope Antennas
> From: Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com>
>
> I haven't seen much discussion about the location for glideslope antennas
> and I'm going to need to make that decision sometime soon.
>
> What seems to be the standard choice for antenna type and placement? Also
> what type of results are you seeing?
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
> #40750
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:43:51 AM PST US
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Glideslope Antennas
> From: "Strasnuts" <sean@braunandco.com>
>
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/comant157p.php
>
> and
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/coupler507.php?clickkey=11684
>
> --------
> 40936
> RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389905#389905
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:49:23 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Glideslope Antennas
> From: Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com>
>
> That sounds pretty easy. Maybe that's why I never heard any discussion
> about it. :)
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Strasnuts <sean@braunandco.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/comant157p.php
>>
>> and
>>
>> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/coupler507.php?clickkey=11684
>>
>> --------
>> 40936
>> RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389905#389905
>>
>>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:00:37 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Glideslope Antennas
> From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
>
>
> I used the Bob Archer VOR wingtip antenna and the splitter mentioned below.
Works
> great.
>
> Marcus
> 40286
>
> On Dec 5, 2012, at 11:43 AM, "Strasnuts" <sean@braunandco.com> wrote:
>
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/comant157p.php
>
> and
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/coupler507.php?clickkey=11684
>
> --------
> 40936
> RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389905#389905
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:59:41 AM PST US
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Glideslope Antennas
> From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
>
>
> As you are seeing, although it is possible to have a separate GS antenna (ever
> been in a Cessna with the bow tie antenna on the windscreen?) most people are
> using a VOR antenna with a splitter. If you have an SL30 it isn't even an option
> - it has a splitter built in for the GS, and the only input is for a VOR antenna.
>
> I too use the Archer wingtip antenna, and it works great. It may have a directionally-dependent
> slightly reduced range for VORs, but I have heard no complaints
> about it when used for the localizer or GS.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389913#389913
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:02:16 AM PST US
> From: "Seano" <sean@braunandco.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Glideslope Antennas
>
> There will be a bunch of combinations and personal opinions but just for
> reference I installed the Bob Archer in my wingtip for Nav 2 (SL30). My
> 430W is my NAV1 with the CI-157P on the vertical stab and it uses the
> diplexer. At 7000 feet I was averaging around 30-40 miles better
> reception on the cat whiskers than the Bob Archer.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Phillip Perry
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 9:48 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Glideslope Antennas
>
>
> That sounds pretty easy. Maybe that's why I never heard any
> discussion about it. :)
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Strasnuts <sean@braunandco.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/comant157p.php
>
> and
>
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/coupler507.php?clickkey=1
> 1684
>
> --------
> 40936
> RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389905#389905
>
>
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>
>
> Time: 11:18:27 AM PST US
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Glideslope Antennas
> From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
>
>
> As the above post mentions, you will hear varying opinions on the Archer antenna.
> I think this is because it is somewhat installation dependent. However, I have
> not yet heard any negative comments about localizer or GS reception.
> My data point: I did not follow Archer's instructions to the letter. From 7000'
> I routinely receive useable VOR signals (SL30) from 80 miles away - essentially
> line of sight to the horizon - except when the VOR is 90 degrees to the right,
> and the antenna has to "look" thru the fuselage. Then range is perhaps 40
> miles.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389919#389919
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:27:48 AM PST US
> From: Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Glideslope Antennas
>
>
> Me too.
>
> Robin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 9:00 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Glideslope Antennas
>
>
> I used the Bob Archer VOR wingtip antenna and the splitter mentioned below.
Works
> great.
>
> Marcus
> 40286
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:35:52 AM PST US
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Delayed tail cone attaching?
>
>
>
> I'd agree with that. I don't think I'd want to even just cleco
> it and finish the cabin top, because if you get anything not
> solid and aligned it could cause issues with doors and windows
> and flex later. So better to just leave everything involving
> the cabin top until after you can join the tailcone.
> My garage wouldn't handle the airplane straight in, with the
> tailcone attached. I had to angle it across the garage. I think
> I used 22' or so. I'd just keep shopping for that house with
> a bigger garage and work on the other things that you can first.
> You could probably even do your entire panel and stuff, if you
> make things easily removable, if you have to.
> Tim
> do not archive
>
> On 12/5/2012 9:34 AM, Bill Judge wrote:
>> Thanks for the advice.
>>
>> So, if you were length constrained, it sounds like the best you could do
>> would be to cleco the tailcone on, fit the cabin top, finish the doors
>> and interior then pull the tail cone off to do the fire wall forward
>> work. In that case all you're saving is the length from the firewall to
>> the spinner, bottom line is that you need 20 feet at least.
>>
>> Wing and empannage storage isn't a problem, I've got a hangar for that,
>> I just know that the longer you stay at the house the faster you get done.
>>
>> VR,
>> Bill
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:39:12 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Glideslope Antennas
> From: Ed Kranz <ed.kranz@gmail.com>
>
> This might be a stupid question, but if you are using a wingtip Bob Archer
> antenna for GS/LOC, would your position be offset by the 15' or so that the
> antenna is out from the centerline of the plane?
>
> Is this something that you can compensate for in the NAV radio?
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Me too.
>>
>> Robin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
>> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 9:00 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Glideslope Antennas
>>
>>
>> I used the Bob Archer VOR wingtip antenna and the splitter mentioned
>> below. Works great.
>>
>> Marcus
>> 40286
>>
>>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:48:55 AM PST US
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Glideslope Antennas
>
>
> No worries, Ed, all you do is fly 15' over to the left or right
> a little. :) You go try flying the approach to 15' lateral
> accuracy and let me know when you've got it perfected. :)
> (sorry, couldn't resist...especially since it was you)
>
> Tim
> No not archive, no way, no how.
>
> On 12/5/2012 1:38 PM, Ed Kranz wrote:
>> This might be a stupid question, but if you are using a wingtip Bob
>> Archer antenna for GS/LOC, would your position be offset by the 15' or
>> so that the antenna is out from the centerline of the plane?
>>
>> Is this something that you can compensate for in the NAV radio?
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:06:29 PM PST US
> From: Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: New AntiSplat Prop Wrench For Sale
>
>
> I received an AntiSplatAero 3/4 inch prop wrench
> (http://antisplataero.com/Prop_Wrench.html) as a gift and I already had
> one, so I'll sell an unused brand spankin' new one to the first lucky
> stiff that emails me off-list.
>
> $60 shipped to any of the lower 48. $69.99 + $5 shipping on their
> website, so this is $14.99 off if you were planning on getting one.
>
> -Sean #40303
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:10:33 PM PST US
> From: Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Glideslope Antennas
>
>
> I have an Archer style antenna (we mad ours) in both wing tips so I can flip
between
> the two to get perfectly centered. :-).
>
> I just got my 200 Hp IO-360 to run LOP and got 152 KTAS at 5.8 GPH with a little
> tail wind I was getting 32 MPG. Yahoo!
>
> Robin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 11:48 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Glideslope Antennas
>
>
> No worries, Ed, all you do is fly 15' over to the left or right a little. :)
You
> go try flying the approach to 15' lateral accuracy and let me know when you've
> got it perfected. :) (sorry, couldn't resist...especially since it was you)
>
> Tim
> No not archive, no way, no how.
>
> On 12/5/2012 1:38 PM, Ed Kranz wrote:
>> This might be a stupid question, but if you are using a wingtip Bob
>> Archer antenna for GS/LOC, would your position be offset by the 15' or
>> so that the antenna is out from the centerline of the plane?
>>
>> Is this something that you can compensate for in the NAV radio?
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:13:24 PM PST US
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Glideslope Antennas
> From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
>
>
> Ed is correct.
> I put the antenna in the left wing tip so I am 15' to the right of the approach
> lights, making them easier to see out my (left) window!! -:)
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389926#389926
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:41:15 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: New AntiSplat Prop Wrench For Sale
> From: pilotdds <pilotdds@aol.com>
>
>
> i will take it if avaliable let me know how to pay
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com>
> Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 12:07 pm
> Subject: RV10-List: New AntiSplat Prop Wrench For Sale
>
>
>
> I received an AntiSplatAero 3/4 inch prop wrench
> (http://antisplataero.com/Prop_Wrench.html) as a gift and I already had
> one, so I'll sell an unused brand spankin' new one to the first lucky
> stiff that emails me off-list.
>
> $60 shipped to any of the lower 48. $69.99 + $5 shipping on their
> website, so this is $14.99 off if you were planning on getting one.
>
> -Sean #40303
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:38:09 PM PST US
> From: John MacCallum <john.maccallum@bigpond.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: New AntiSplat Prop Wrench For Sale
>
>
> HI Sean,
> I'll take it if you will send it to Australia. US Post International express
> postage works well for me and I can send you
> The money via Paypal.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> John MacCallum
> VH-DUU
> RV 10 # 41016
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
> Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2012 7:06 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: New AntiSplat Prop Wrench For Sale
>
>
> I received an AntiSplatAero 3/4 inch prop wrench
> (http://antisplataero.com/Prop_Wrench.html) as a gift and I already had one,
> so I'll sell an unused brand spankin' new one to the first lucky stiff that
> emails me off-list.
>
> $60 shipped to any of the lower 48. $69.99 + $5 shipping on their website,
> so this is $14.99 off if you were planning on getting one.
>
> -Sean #40303
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:45:53 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Glideslope Antennas
> From: Ed Kranz <ed.kranz@gmail.com>
>
> Good point, Tim. I had a hard enough time keeping your plane in the HITS
> boxes!
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> No worries, Ed, all you do is fly 15' over to the left or right
>> a little. :) You go try flying the approach to 15' lateral
>> accuracy and let me know when you've got it perfected. :)
>> (sorry, couldn't resist...especially since it was you)
>>
>> Tim
>> No not archive, no way, no how.
>>
>>
>> On 12/5/2012 1:38 PM, Ed Kranz wrote:
>>
>>> This might be a stupid question, but if you are using a wingtip Bob
>>> Archer antenna for GS/LOC, would your position be offset by the 15' or
>>> so that the antenna is out from the centerline of the plane?
>>>
>>> Is this something that you can compensate for in the NAV radio?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:26:29 PM PST US
> From: David Maib <dmaib@me.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Glideslope Antennas
>
> I used the Comant that others have noted and it is mounted under the horizontal
> stab on the bottom of the tailcone. I have a splitter installed so that I can
> use it for the VOR/ILS/GS on both my SL-30 and my 430W. Works great. I can receive
> vor's on the SL-30 at 90 to 100 nm and usually about 60 nm on the 430W.
> ILS and GS reception is excellent on both.
>
> David Maib
> 40559
> Flying 600 hours.
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
>
> I haven't seen much discussion about the location for glideslope antennas and
I'm
> going to need to make that decision sometime soon.
>
> What seems to be the standard choice for antenna type and placement? Also what
> type of results are you seeing?
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
> #40750
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:11:51 PM PST US
> From: Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: New AntiSplat Prop Wrench For Sale
>
>
> The prop wrench has been sold.
>
> -Sean
>
> On 12/5/12 2:05 PM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>>
>> I received an AntiSplatAero 3/4 inch prop wrench
>> (http://antisplataero.com/Prop_Wrench.html) as a gift and I already
>> had one, so I'll sell an unused brand spankin' new one to the first
>> lucky stiff that emails me off-list.
>>
>> $60 shipped to any of the lower 48. $69.99 + $5 shipping on their
>> website, so this is $14.99 off if you were planning on getting one.
>>
>> -Sean #40303
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:51:53 PM PST US
> From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Glideslope Antennas
>
>
> Me too. The Archer is shared by a G430 and SL30. Works fine. Only use
> it for practice - in actual I'm 100% GPS.
>
> I used an Archer for my Com2. I don't recommend doing that. When my
> Com1 went intermittent (probably from an electrical storm) I found my
> Com2 didn't work well enough to function as my primary Com. Since this
> happened 3 legs from home, I had to swap antennas so my remaining com
> was using a Comant whip. (Thanks again Kelly!)
>
> The archer Com antenna is gone and a 2nd whip is now on my belly.
>
> I went back and verified that the Archer Nav antenna performed well
> enough approach work - it did. VOR reception varied side to side per
> the findings by other posters.
>
> I did follow the Archer installation instructions to a "T". The Com
> works, just not good enough for a primary radio. And I learned that if
> it won't do primary, then it really isn't a full backup.
>
> do not archive
>
> On 12/5/2012 2:27 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>
>> Me too.
>>
>> Robin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 9:00 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Glideslope Antennas
>>
>>
>> I used the Bob Archer VOR wingtip antenna and the splitter mentioned below.
> Works great.
>>
>> Marcus
>> 40286
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:07:38 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Glideslope Antennas
> From: Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com>
>
> I just got my panel in from Aerotronics last Friday and hadn't had a chance
> to dig through it closely yet. Once I got home tonight, I looked a little
> more closely at the GTN750 and SL30.
>
> Viola, there it was. The splitter is already in place and connected to
> both radios. Now I just have to connect the coax from the cat whiskers and
> I'm done. What started off as a minor head scratcher turned into a
> remarkably simple issue.
>
> Thanks everyone for pointing me in the right direction.
>
> By the way, the panel looks even better in person than it does in
> pictures. It exceeded my expectations by a long shot. Can't wait to put
> electrons into it a few months from now.
>
> Phil
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Me too. The Archer is shared by a G430 and SL30. Works fine. Only use
>> it for practice - in actual I'm 100% GPS.
>>
>> I used an Archer for my Com2. I don't recommend doing that. When my Com1
>> went intermittent (probably from an electrical storm) I found my Com2
>> didn't work well enough to function as my primary Com. Since this happened
>> 3 legs from home, I had to swap antennas so my remaining com was using a
>> Comant whip. (Thanks again Kelly!)
>>
>> The archer Com antenna is gone and a 2nd whip is now on my belly.
>>
>> I went back and verified that the Archer Nav antenna performed well enough
>> approach work - it did. VOR reception varied side to side per the findings
>> by other posters.
>>
>> I did follow the Archer installation instructions to a "T". The Com
>> works, just not good enough for a primary radio. And I learned that if it
>> won't do primary, then it really isn't a full backup.
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> On 12/5/2012 2:27 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Me too.
>>>
>>> Robin
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@**matronics.com<owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>[mailto:
>>> owner-rv10-list-**server@matronics.com<owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>]
>>> On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 9:00 AM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Glideslope Antennas
>>>
>>>
>>> I used the Bob Archer VOR wingtip antenna and the splitter mentioned
>>> below. Works great.
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>> 40286
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Localized antenna offset |
I make it a point to land on runways that are at least 15' wide so that if I
break out of the clouds at 200' agl I can sidestep to the center without mu
ch trouble
This might be a stupid question, but if you are using a wingtip Bob Archer
> antenna for GS/LOC, would your position be offset by the 15' or so that th
e
> antenna is out from the centerline of the plane?
>
> Is this something that you can compensate for in the NAV radio?
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| Subject: | Re: Localized antenna offset |
Me too.
I remember reading an article in one of the IFR newsletters titled
something like "Tips from the Freight Dogs", where a "freight dog"
described how on a night approach to minimums, he would fly a half a
needle width to the left so he could see the center line more easily in
his twin... seriously.
What's a needle?
do not archive
On 12/6/2012 10:55 AM, Paul Hahn wrote:
> I make it a point to land on runways that are at least 15' wide so
> that if I break out of the clouds at 200' agl I can sidestep to the
> center without much trouble
>
>
> This might be a stupid question, but if you are using a wingtip Bob Archer
>> antenna for GS/LOC, would your position be offset by the 15' or so
>> that the
>> antenna is out from the centerline of the plane?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Glideslope Antennas |
On 12/05/2012 03:10 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
> I have an Archer style antenna (we mad ours) in both wing tips so I can flip
between the two to get perfectly centered. :-).
Hi Robin,
Where did you find the plans to make the wingtip NAV antenna? I am
very interested in doing the same.
Thanks,
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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| Subject: | Archer type wingtip antennas |
The post of "Glide slope antenna" has drifted to this topic, so I am starting a
new thread:
I have Archer type antennas for both VOR/Loc/GS and #2 com, and in general am satisfied.
I think this is due to:
1. Luck
2. I have low standards, or
3. I did not follow the directions exactly.
In case it is #3, I thought I'd post what I did. I think the instructions were
written for installation in a -7, where the smaller tip required that the antenna
be close to the lights. The -10's tip is big enough that this can be avoided.
I mounted my antennas at least 8" aft of the lights, aluminum foil heat shield,
etc. I did NOT run the wiring for the lights along the antenna. Instead,
I kept it inside the metal wing, ran it as far forward as I could, then thru
the end wing rib directly to the lights. The VOR antenna is on the bottom of the
wing tip, with the ground leg riveted under the wingtip attach platenuts. For
the com antenna, I mounted the antenna so the leg where the feed line attaches
- where most of the current flows - was at the thickest part of the wing.
I riveted the ground side to the top of the tip, then bent the leg with the feed
line down as much as I could, until the long arm of the antenna was against
the bottom of the wing tip (where I hold it in place with a little fiberglass).
This gives the maximum amount possible of vertical polarization. To be clear,
the wingtip antenna is NOT as good as the vertical whip under the plane. But
it works for me as #2. At 20 miles out tower described it as "5x4" (readability-strength)
while the external whip was "5x5".
As to the question of building your own: I won't post the exact Archer dimensions
since I think it is copyrighted. But you can look up the general idea at the
library, find a copy of the ARRL (Amateur Radio Relay League) book and look
under "gamma match". Generally speaking you will need some equipment, like an
SWR meter, to tune the antenna. If you decide to reverse engineer an Archer, note
that the size, especially the thickness, of the built-in parallel plate capacitor,
is important, as is getting the same dielectric constant for the material
he uses (looks like Bakelite) between the plates. For the com, shorten the
antenna by about 10% compared to the VOR antenna to account for the 10% higher
frequencies.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389972#389972
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| Subject: | Re: Glideslope Antennas |
Due to thread drift I have started a new topic, "Archer antennas".
Bob
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Glideslope Antennas |
Turns out page 13-16 (Chapter 13, page 16) of the Aeroelectric
Connection has an excellent diagram:
https://matronics.com/aeroelectric/Catalog/pub/pub.html
-Dj
--
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Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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| Subject: | Re: Glideslope Antennas |
Ha! good for you.
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Glideslope Antennas
Turns out page 13-16 (Chapter 13, page 16) of the Aeroelectric Connection has
an excellent diagram:
https://matronics.com/aeroelectric/Catalog/pub/pub.html
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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| Subject: | Re: Archer type wingtip antennas |
Since I made the previous comment about the Archer not being suitable
for Com2, I'll comment further...
Bob, I didn't move the location rearward like you did but I thought
about it a lot. Sounds like a good move. I did try to maximize the
vertical polarization like you did except I did it upside down.
And the antenna did work and work reasonably well. No problem at all on
the second radio. Not much of a problem as a primary comm for VFR. In
my case, my com1 failed at the furthest point from home I've ever flown
in my life (how did it know that?). Flying 2,000 miles IFR with a less
than a top performing comm tends to cause a disturbance in the force so
I decided it wasn't for me.
Just elaboration on my experience
Bill "do not archive" Watson
On 12/6/2012 3:12 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
> The post of "Glide slope antenna" has drifted to this topic, so I am starting
a new thread:
>
> I have Archer type antennas for both VOR/Loc/GS and #2 com, and in general am
satisfied. I think this is due to:
> 1. Luck
> 2. I have low standards, or
> 3. I did not follow the directions exactly.
>
> In case it is #3, I thought I'd post what I did. I think the instructions were
written for installation in a -7, where the smaller tip required that the antenna
be close to the lights. The -10's tip is big enough that this can be avoided.
I mounted my antennas at least 8" aft of the lights, aluminum foil heat
shield, etc. I did NOT run the wiring for the lights along the antenna. Instead,
I kept it inside the metal wing, ran it as far forward as I could, then thru
the end wing rib directly to the lights. The VOR antenna is on the bottom of
the wing tip, with the ground leg riveted under the wingtip attach platenuts.
For the com antenna, I mounted the antenna so the leg where the feed line attaches
- where most of the current flows - was at the thickest part of the wing.
I riveted the ground side to the top of the tip, then bent the leg with the
feed line down as much as I could, until the long arm of the antenna was against
the bottom of the wing tip (where I hold it in plac!
> e with a little fiberglass). This gives the maximum amount possible of vertical
polarization. To be clear, the wingtip antenna is NOT as good as the vertical
whip under the plane. But it works for me as #2. At 20 miles out tower described
it as "5x4" (readability-strength) while the external whip was "5x5".
>
> As to the question of building your own: I won't post the exact Archer dimensions
since I think it is copyrighted. But you can look up the general idea at
the library, find a copy of the ARRL (Amateur Radio Relay League) book and look
under "gamma match". Generally speaking you will need some equipment, like an
SWR meter, to tune the antenna. If you decide to reverse engineer an Archer,
note that the size, especially the thickness, of the built-in parallel plate
capacitor, is important, as is getting the same dielectric constant for the material
he uses (looks like Bakelite) between the plates. For the com, shorten
the antenna by about 10% compared to the VOR antenna to account for the 10% higher
frequencies.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
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| Subject: | Re: Archer type wingtip antennas |
Bill, I understand. I think my #2 is good enough that if I had to use it it would
not be an emergency, and I would complete the leg or flight. I would expect
to hear ATC okay, while my transmissions might be weak. As to continuing on,
I personally won't launch IFR unless everything in the panel is working, so that
is not an issue for me.
I like having one less thing under the plane which can poke my eye out.
Also, I have had times on the ground when the tower could not hear me with the
belly whip. Wingtip antenna always worked when that happened.
Bob
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Archer type wingtip antennas |
Totally agree.
Bill
Do not archive
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 6, 2012, at 5:29 PM, "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
>
> Bill, I understand. I think my #2 is good enough that if I had to use it it would
not be an emergency, and I would complete the leg or flight. I would expect
to hear ATC okay, while my transmissions might be weak. As to continuing on,
I personally won't launch IFR unless everything in the panel is working, so
that is not an issue for me.
>
> I like having one less thing under the plane which can poke my eye out.
> Also, I have had times on the ground when the tower could not hear me with the
belly whip. Wingtip antenna always worked when that happened.
>
> Bob
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389979#389979
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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