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1. 02:23 AM - Re: N433RV First Flight (Patrick Pulis)
2. 02:39 AM - Re: N433RV First Flight (Bob Leffler)
3. 03:36 AM - Re: Re: N433RV First Flight (Jesse Saint)
4. 07:21 AM - Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS Antenna Installa (bill.peyton)
5. 07:32 AM - Re: Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS Antenna Installa (Kelly McMullen)
6. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS Antenna Install (Carl Froehlich)
7. 11:15 AM - Re: Re: Antennae Install (Carlos Trigo)
8. 11:23 AM - Naca Vents (Rick Lark)
9. 11:42 AM - Re: Naca Vents (bob-tcw)
10. 11:50 AM - Re: Naca Vents (Geoff Combs)
11. 11:53 AM - Re: Re: Antennae Install (bob-tcw)
12. 12:11 PM - Re: Re: Antennae Install (Carl Froehlich)
13. 12:43 PM - Re: Re: Antennae Install (Bob Leffler)
14. 12:59 PM - Re: Naca Vents (Bob Leffler)
15. 01:06 PM - Re: Naca Vents (Seano)
16. 02:30 PM - Re: Antennae Install (Bob Turner)
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| Subject: | Re: N433RV First Flight |
Well done Jay,
Safe skies my friend.
Warm regards
Patrick
On 31/12/2012, at 11:55 AM, "hotwheels" <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> N433RV RV-10 made her maiden flight on December 29th after nearly 9 years of
building.
>
> My -10 is powered by a rebuilt Lyco IO-540, 2-blade Hartzell blended airfoil
propeller, dual Light Speed electronic ignitions, dual B&C alternators and B&C
starter. The panel includes Grand Rapids HXes and EIS, PS9000 Audio, Garmin 430W,
SL30 and GTX330 xponder, TruTrak autopilot, Navworx UAT and a few steam gauges.
It's a very nice ride.
>
> The plane has amazing performance. KFLY is at 6800' MSL and I was at pattern
altitude before reaching the end of the runway. The controls were very responsive
and the plane did exactly what I asked. I found that my -10 has a heavy left
wing as has been reported by others. However, that should be easily remedied
by adding some aileron trim. Speaking of trim, the Final Inspection document
stated that "1/3 nose up travel" recommended for first flight. However, I found
that to be way too much (50 lbs of sand in the baggage compartment for W&B).
Neutral trim would have been a better choice - at least for me.
>
> My first flight was cut short due to a fuel issue after about 30 minutes. Fortunately,
both pilot and plane made it safely back to the airport where I made
a surprising good landing for an RV rookie. I can hardly wait to get back in
the air after everything gets the once over.
>
> Thanks to my family who put up with riveting, cutting and dust in our garage...
To the folks at Van's for providing a great design, to AlexD for quality transition
training, to numerous EAA Tech Counselor visits and to my builder buddies
(you know who you are!) and, of course, to tips provided by many of the folks
on this list........ I couldn't have made the journey without lots of help
from all of you!
>
> Cheers,
> Jay
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| Subject: | Re: N433RV First Flight |
Jay,
Congrats on the first flight!
I hope to be following you in another 6-8 weeks. I just have to wait to get this
cast off my foot so I can finish final assembly.
Bob
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On Dec 30, 2012, at 8:25 PM, "hotwheels" <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> N433RV RV-10 made her maiden flight on December 29th after nearly 9 years of
building.
>
> My -10 is powered by a rebuilt Lyco IO-540, 2-blade Hartzell blended airfoil
propeller, dual Light Speed electronic ignitions, dual B&C alternators and B&C
starter. The panel includes Grand Rapids HXes and EIS, PS9000 Audio, Garmin 430W,
SL30 and GTX330 xponder, TruTrak autopilot, Navworx UAT and a few steam gauges.
It's a very nice ride.
>
> The plane has amazing performance. KFLY is at 6800' MSL and I was at pattern
altitude before reaching the end of the runway. The controls were very responsive
and the plane did exactly what I asked. I found that my -10 has a heavy left
wing as has been reported by others. However, that should be easily remedied
by adding some aileron trim. Speaking of trim, the Final Inspection document
stated that "1/3 nose up travel" recommended for first flight. However, I found
that to be way too much (50 lbs of sand in the baggage compartment for W&B).
Neutral trim would have been a better choice - at least for me.
>
> My first flight was cut short due to a fuel issue after about 30 minutes. Fortunately,
both pilot and plane made it safely back to the airport where I made
a surprising good landing for an RV rookie. I can hardly wait to get back in
the air after everything gets the once over.
>
> Thanks to my family who put up with riveting, cutting and dust in our garage...
To the folks at Van's for providing a great design, to AlexD for quality transition
training, to numerous EAA Tech Counselor visits and to my builder buddies
(you know who you are!) and, of course, to tips provided by many of the folks
on this list........ I couldn't have made the journey without lots of help
from all of you!
>
> Cheers,
> Jay
>
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391255#391255
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0382_lr_671.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: N433RV First Flight |
Well, a loose fitting there would mean that with the boost pump off, there is only
slight suction at that fitting, so the engine driven pump might have been
sucking a little bit of air (maybe what caused the engine to quit on the runway.
With the boost pump on you are the pressurizing the fuel at that fitting, which
caused it to leak. It could be that it was sealing ok with a finger tight
fitting and that the vibration of flight caused it to loosen. Torque Seal is
a great thing to use for this purpose. Not as much for Anti Sabatoge as much for
reminding us if we torqued it or not. That reminds me, I need to order some
more of that stuff.
Good thing you caught it when you did. I've noticed that's one reason it's really
nice to have blue dye in the 100LL, because slow leaks in the system show themselves.
Glad it all turned out well.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
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On Dec 30, 2012, at 11:20 PM, "hotwheels" <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Sure... I'll share. In preparation for landing, I turned the electric fuel pump
on and smelled fuel in the cockpit. Immediately turned off the fuel pump and
landed. Then engine stopped on the runway and I coasted off.
>
> Removed cowl and tunnel covers back at the hangar. The tunnel was dry. However,
running the electric fuel pump resulted in fuel leakage at the low pressure
input fitting to the mechanical engine driven pump. It was loose. This after
numerous engine starts, taxi tests and run ups without leakage.
>
> What's interesting is that nothing was obviously amiss until running the electric
pump. Maybe someone else has ideas about why that might be...
>
> Just goes to show the value of putting a wrench on as much as possible before
flight and, of course, mentally preparing for engine out events.
>
> Regards,
> Jay
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> [quote="bgill1(at)mediastreamus.n"]Way to go. I know the feeling.
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> Any comments you care to share on the "fuel issue"? I always learn a lot from
what other folks find.
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> Byron
> N253RV Flying (just need some paint)
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS Antenna Installa |
The Garmin GNS 430W and the G3X install manuals do not specify a bonding nor a
ground plane for the GPS antenna. I suspect that this may have been revised for
the GTN manuals to add the requirement. I have not seen any issues with my
installation, which does not have a ground plane on either GPS antenna.
I found an old GPS antenna and decided to sacrifice it. Below is a photo of the
inside of this certified GPS antenna. The actual antenna element is etched on
the top surface of a copper clad ceramic wafer which has a copper surface covering
the entire underside (not visible in photo). The combination of the thickness
of the ceramic and the size of the element determines the electrical properties
of the antenna. This type of design is called a "patch antenna". Under
the patch antenna resides the low noise amplifier. You can see that the antenna
itself is mounted approximately 1/2" above what might be considered the
base. Any additional ground plane that may be added by mounting this antenna
to the metallic skin of the aircraft would "appear" to this patch antenna to
reside 1/2" above the actual patch antenna ground plane.
This antenna is an old design, and is probably not representative of the new low
noise semi-conductor technology nor GPS antenna design. The noise figure and
gain of the newer antennas is so far improved over the some of the original designs
that it is hardly a fair comparison. But I couldn't resist taking it apart!
Bill
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WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS Antenna |
Installa
The ground plane recommendation is in the install instructions for the
GA35 antenna, which was released with the 430W upgrade. Whether the
instructions were changed later to add the ground plane recommendation,
I don't know, as I obtained my antenna this fall.
One poster on VAF mentioned that he put his antenna forward of the
firewall with minimal ground plane, then added bigger ground plane later
and saw noticeable performance improvement. So yes, it works without
one, but apparently works better with one.
On 12/31/2012 8:20 AM, bill.peyton wrote:
>
> The Garmin GNS 430W and the G3X install manuals do not specify a bonding nor
a ground plane for the GPS antenna. I suspect that this may have been revised
for the GTN manuals to add the requirement. I have not seen any issues with
my installation, which does not have a ground plane on either GPS antenna.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS Antenna |
Install
This is the second RV where I took the easy way for GPS and XM antenna
mounts - on top of the glare shield. I do take some black cloth and wrap
the typically white antennas to eliminate glare off the windshield. This
mounting location has worked perfectly for both RVs (GX-60 and Garmin 396 in
the RV-8A, Garmin GTN-650 and Dynon SkyView GPS in the RV-10).
Considering the ever increasing rate of change in avionics, the odds are
high that the RVs will go through panel upgrades several times during their
life (the RV-8A is 10 years old and on its third panel mod - the fourth will
come next year or so). As such, maintaining ease of avionic and associated
panel modification is an important design element for me. External GPS
antenna mounting tends to go against this principle.
My external antennas on the RV-10 are all on the belly; two bent whip
communications, a blade transponder and a blade ADSB antenna.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS
Antenna Installa
The ground plane recommendation is in the install instructions for the
GA35 antenna, which was released with the 430W upgrade. Whether the
instructions were changed later to add the ground plane recommendation, I
don't know, as I obtained my antenna this fall.
One poster on VAF mentioned that he put his antenna forward of the firewall
with minimal ground plane, then added bigger ground plane later and saw
noticeable performance improvement. So yes, it works without one, but
apparently works better with one.
On 12/31/2012 8:20 AM, bill.peyton wrote:
> --> <peyton.b@sbcglobal.net>
>
> The Garmin GNS 430W and the G3X install manuals do not specify a bonding
nor a ground plane for the GPS antenna. I suspect that this may have been
revised for the GTN manuals to add the requirement. I have not seen any
issues with my installation, which does not have a ground plane on either
GPS antenna.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Antennae Install |
Carl
Where exactly in your RV-10 belly did you install the antennae? Below the
front seats? Below the feet of the rear passengers?
Thanks
Carlos
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
Sent: segunda-feira, 31 de Dezembro de 2012 16:35
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS
Antenna Install
--> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
This is the second RV where I took the easy way for GPS and XM antenna
mounts - on top of the glare shield. I do take some black cloth and wrap
the typically white antennas to eliminate glare off the windshield. This
mounting location has worked perfectly for both RVs (GX-60 and Garmin 396 in
the RV-8A, Garmin GTN-650 and Dynon SkyView GPS in the RV-10).
Considering the ever increasing rate of change in avionics, the odds are
high that the RVs will go through panel upgrades several times during their
life (the RV-8A is 10 years old and on its third panel mod - the fourth will
come next year or so). As such, maintaining ease of avionic and associated
panel modification is an important design element for me. External GPS
antenna mounting tends to go against this principle.
My external antennas on the RV-10 are all on the belly; two bent whip
communications, a blade transponder and a blade ADSB antenna.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS
Antenna Installa
The ground plane recommendation is in the install instructions for the
GA35 antenna, which was released with the 430W upgrade. Whether the
instructions were changed later to add the ground plane recommendation, I
don't know, as I obtained my antenna this fall.
One poster on VAF mentioned that he put his antenna forward of the firewall
with minimal ground plane, then added bigger ground plane later and saw
noticeable performance improvement. So yes, it works without one, but
apparently works better with one.
On 12/31/2012 8:20 AM, bill.peyton wrote:
> --> <peyton.b@sbcglobal.net>
>
> The Garmin GNS 430W and the G3X install manuals do not specify a
> bonding
nor a ground plane for the GPS antenna. I suspect that this may have been
revised for the GTN manuals to add the requirement. I have not seen any
issues with my installation, which does not have a ground plane on either
GPS antenna.
>
>
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Hi all, I'm getting ready to cut the NACA vent hole(s) in my tail cone for
an overhead console and am wondering if I really need 2 vents. Seems to me
I've read comments about one vent being sufficient. Also being in Southern
Ontario, the summer temps aren't sustained for nearly as long as those of
you south of the Mason Dixon line, thus the reason I question if 2 are
needed.
Any and all opinions are welcome. Happy New Year to everyone.
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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Rick, I went with just one Naca scoop in the tail cone area (just
behind baggage door) feeding my overhead console. It has provided
plenty of air from overhead. There=99s a few pictures in my web
album starting with this one:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102955683430141812381/CoolingFans#5576300260
864810306
Bob Newman
N541RV
From: Rick Lark
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:23 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Naca Vents
Hi all, I'm getting ready to cut the NACA vent hole(s) in my tail cone
for an overhead console and am wondering if I really need 2 vents.
Seems to me I've read comments about one vent being sufficient. Also
being in Southern Ontario, the summer temps aren't sustained for nearly
as long as those of you south of the Mason Dixon line, thus the reason I
question if 2 are needed.
Any and all opinions are welcome. Happy New Year to everyone.
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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Rick I would still put 2 in. I have 2 and in the summer you get some air
from them when taxiing. It is not a lot
but sure helps when it is hot. You can always close the vents or for you put
in the NACA control
valve from Aerosport Products. You can shut the whole system down in the
winter with the controller and open it up in the
summer. Its easier to do it now then later. It will take maybe 1 hour more
for the extra vent.
FWIW
Geoff Combs
Aerosport
www.aerosportproducts.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:23 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Naca Vents
Hi all, I'm getting ready to cut the NACA vent hole(s) in my tail cone for
an overhead console and am wondering if I really need 2 vents. Seems to me
I've read comments about one vent being sufficient. Also being in Southern
Ontario, the summer temps aren't sustained for nearly as long as those of
you south of the Mason Dixon line, thus the reason I question if 2 are
needed.
Any and all opinions are welcome. Happy New Year to everyone.
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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| Subject: | Re: Antennae Install |
Carl, On my -10, my two bent whip com antennas are under the rear
passenger seats, my ADS-b UAT blade antenna is about 3 feet back from the
rear baggage bulkhead, my transponder antenna is about 1 foot back from
the firewall and pops up into the tunnel.
My 3 gps antennas are mounted to a metal plate about 8 inch wide and 12
inches long, this plate of antennas is hidden in my overhead console, with
the antennas looking through fiberglass top. (note I took signal strength
readings with this plate of antennas inside the aircraft as described and
out of the aircraft with no fiberglass between the antennas and the
satellites, absolutely no change in signal strengths)
Bob Newman
N541RV
-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Trigo
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:16 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Antennae Install
Carl
Where exactly in your RV-10 belly did you install the antennae? Below the
front seats? Below the feet of the rear passengers?
Thanks
Carlos
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
Sent: segunda-feira, 31 de Dezembro de 2012 16:35
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS
Antenna Install
--> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
This is the second RV where I took the easy way for GPS and XM antenna
mounts - on top of the glare shield. I do take some black cloth and wrap
the typically white antennas to eliminate glare off the windshield. This
mounting location has worked perfectly for both RVs (GX-60 and Garmin 396 in
the RV-8A, Garmin GTN-650 and Dynon SkyView GPS in the RV-10).
Considering the ever increasing rate of change in avionics, the odds are
high that the RVs will go through panel upgrades several times during their
life (the RV-8A is 10 years old and on its third panel mod - the fourth will
come next year or so). As such, maintaining ease of avionic and associated
panel modification is an important design element for me. External GPS
antenna mounting tends to go against this principle.
My external antennas on the RV-10 are all on the belly; two bent whip
communications, a blade transponder and a blade ADSB antenna.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS
Antenna Installa
The ground plane recommendation is in the install instructions for the
GA35 antenna, which was released with the 430W upgrade. Whether the
instructions were changed later to add the ground plane recommendation, I
don't know, as I obtained my antenna this fall.
One poster on VAF mentioned that he put his antenna forward of the firewall
with minimal ground plane, then added bigger ground plane later and saw
noticeable performance improvement. So yes, it works without one, but
apparently works better with one.
On 12/31/2012 8:20 AM, bill.peyton wrote:
> --> <peyton.b@sbcglobal.net>
>
> The Garmin GNS 430W and the G3X install manuals do not specify a
> bonding
nor a ground plane for the GPS antenna. I suspect that this may have been
revised for the GTN manuals to add the requirement. I have not seen any
issues with my installation, which does not have a ground plane on either
GPS antenna.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Antennae Install |
The transponder antenna is below the passenger's seat. Both communication
antennas are mounted below the tunnel (but along the side edges of the
tunnel, one left and one right). One just aft of the mid bell crank and the
second one is mounted just aft of the rear seats. The are both positioned
on the sides of the tunnel to preclude interference with the elevator push
tubes. The ADSB blade antenna is mounted aft of the baggage compartment. I
pick this location as I am mounting the ADSB receiver back there with it
(Dynon unit), and it places it well away from the transponder antenna. All
locations allow for access to the antennas for maintenance or replacement.
Mounting antennas in areas like below the rear passenger's feet or seats is
a problem as you will not have access to them - unless of course you add
some access panels.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:16 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Antennae Install
Carl
Where exactly in your RV-10 belly did you install the antennae? Below the
front seats? Below the feet of the rear passengers?
Thanks
Carlos
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
Sent: segunda-feira, 31 de Dezembro de 2012 16:35
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS
Antenna Install
--> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
This is the second RV where I took the easy way for GPS and XM antenna
mounts - on top of the glare shield. I do take some black cloth and wrap
the typically white antennas to eliminate glare off the windshield. This
mounting location has worked perfectly for both RVs (GX-60 and Garmin 396 in
the RV-8A, Garmin GTN-650 and Dynon SkyView GPS in the RV-10).
Considering the ever increasing rate of change in avionics, the odds are
high that the RVs will go through panel upgrades several times during their
life (the RV-8A is 10 years old and on its third panel mod - the fourth will
come next year or so). As such, maintaining ease of avionic and associated
panel modification is an important design element for me. External GPS
antenna mounting tends to go against this principle.
My external antennas on the RV-10 are all on the belly; two bent whip
communications, a blade transponder and a blade ADSB antenna.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS
Antenna Installa
The ground plane recommendation is in the install instructions for the
GA35 antenna, which was released with the 430W upgrade. Whether the
instructions were changed later to add the ground plane recommendation, I
don't know, as I obtained my antenna this fall.
One poster on VAF mentioned that he put his antenna forward of the firewall
with minimal ground plane, then added bigger ground plane later and saw
noticeable performance improvement. So yes, it works without one, but
apparently works better with one.
On 12/31/2012 8:20 AM, bill.peyton wrote:
> --> <peyton.b@sbcglobal.net>
>
> The Garmin GNS 430W and the G3X install manuals do not specify a
> bonding
nor a ground plane for the GPS antenna. I suspect that this may have been
revised for the GTN manuals to add the requirement. I have not seen any
issues with my installation, which does not have a ground plane on either
GPS antenna.
>
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My antenna on the bottom are very similar to Bob's. I also have a nav antenna
under the tail. I have two gps antenna just behind the cabin cover and another
two on the glare shield.
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On Dec 31, 2012, at 2:53 PM, "bob-tcw" <rnewman@tcwtech.com> wrote:
>
> Carl, On my -10, my two bent whip com antennas are under the rear passenger
seats, my ADS-b UAT blade antenna is about 3 feet back from the rear baggage
bulkhead, my transponder antenna is about 1 foot back from the firewall
and pops up into the tunnel.
>
> My 3 gps antennas are mounted to a metal plate about 8 inch wide and 12 inches
long, this plate of antennas is hidden in my overhead console, with the antennas
looking through fiberglass top. (note I took signal strength readings with
this plate of antennas inside the aircraft as described and out of the aircraft
with no fiberglass between the antennas and the satellites, absolutely no
change in signal strengths)
>
> Bob Newman
> N541RV
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Trigo
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:16 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Antennae Install
>
>
> Carl
>
> Where exactly in your RV-10 belly did you install the antennae? Below the
> front seats? Below the feet of the rear passengers?
>
> Thanks
> Carlos
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
> Sent: segunda-feira, 31 de Dezembro de 2012 16:35
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS
> Antenna Install
>
> --> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
>
> This is the second RV where I took the easy way for GPS and XM antenna
> mounts - on top of the glare shield. I do take some black cloth and wrap
> the typically white antennas to eliminate glare off the windshield. This
> mounting location has worked perfectly for both RVs (GX-60 and Garmin 396 in
> the RV-8A, Garmin GTN-650 and Dynon SkyView GPS in the RV-10).
>
> Considering the ever increasing rate of change in avionics, the odds are
> high that the RVs will go through panel upgrades several times during their
> life (the RV-8A is 10 years old and on its third panel mod - the fourth will
> come next year or so). As such, maintaining ease of avionic and associated
> panel modification is an important design element for me. External GPS
> antenna mounting tends to go against this principle.
>
> My external antennas on the RV-10 are all on the belly; two bent whip
> communications, a blade transponder and a blade ADSB antenna.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:32 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS
> Antenna Installa
>
>
> The ground plane recommendation is in the install instructions for the
> GA35 antenna, which was released with the 430W upgrade. Whether the
> instructions were changed later to add the ground plane recommendation, I
> don't know, as I obtained my antenna this fall.
> One poster on VAF mentioned that he put his antenna forward of the firewall
> with minimal ground plane, then added bigger ground plane later and saw
> noticeable performance improvement. So yes, it works without one, but
> apparently works better with one.
>
> On 12/31/2012 8:20 AM, bill.peyton wrote:
>> --> <peyton.b@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> The Garmin GNS 430W and the G3X install manuals do not specify a
>> bonding
> nor a ground plane for the GPS antenna. I suspect that this may have been
> revised for the GTN manuals to add the requirement. I have not seen any
> issues with my installation, which does not have a ground plane on either
> GPS antenna.
>
>
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> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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I put a pair of them in, along with an Aerosport Products vent controller.
Like Geoff mentioned, in the air one is probably enough, but while taxiing y
ou'll want them both wide open in the summer.
You might drop Ivan an email and see what his experiences are in Guelph.
Bob
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On Dec 31, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Rick Lark <larkrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all, I'm getting ready to cut the NACA vent hole(s) in my tail cone for
an overhead console and am wondering if I really need 2 vents. Seems to me
I've read comments about one vent being sufficient. Also being in Southern
Ontario, the summer temps aren't sustained for nearly as long as those of y
ou south of the Mason Dixon line, thus the reason I question if 2 are needed
.
>
> Any and all opinions are welcome. Happy New Year to everyone.
>
> Rick
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
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I have two in the back as well. I vote for two.
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On Dec 31, 2012, at 13:58, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
> I put a pair of them in, along with an Aerosport Products vent controller.
Like Geoff mentioned, in the air one is probably enough, but while taxiin
g you'll want them both wide open in the summer.
>
> You might drop Ivan an email and see what his experiences are in Guelph.
>
> Bob
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Dec 31, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Rick Lark <larkrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all, I'm getting ready to cut the NACA vent hole(s) in my tail cone fo
r an overhead console and am wondering if I really need 2 vents. Seems to m
e I've read comments about one vent being sufficient. Also being in Souther
n Ontario, the summer temps aren't sustained for nearly as long as those of y
ou south of the Mason Dixon line, thus the reason I question if 2 are needed
.
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>> Any and all opinions are welcome. Happy New Year to everyone.
>>
>> Rick
>> #40956
>> Southampton, Ont
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| Subject: | Re: Antennae Install |
Transponder under pilot seat. Com under passenger seat (yes, this is best done
before installing the seat pan. I put a doubler with nutplates, and ran the coax,
before closing it up.). GPS antenna behind the baggage bulkhead, on top of
the tailcone. Archer wingtip for VOR/ LOC.
Putting the GPS on top of the cabin looked best to me from a reception point of
view, but worst as far as drag is concerned. Comments?
Once in a while I have trouble with ATC when I am on the ground using the belly
antenna. For those times my #2 com antenna, an Archer clone in the other wing
tip, works better. In the air the belly whip is better.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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