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1. 07:07 AM - Re: Antennae Install (johngoodman)
2. 08:40 AM - Proseal cartridges (Tim Olson)
3. 08:45 AM - W-1028 J-Stiffeners (Billy Britton)
4. 09:00 AM - Re: Proseal cartridges (charliewaffles)
5. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: Proseal cartridges (JimVillani)
6. 09:09 AM - Re: Proseal cartridges (Jeff Carpenter)
7. 09:29 AM - RV-10 nose gear failure (Pascal)
8. 09:32 AM - Re: Proseal cartridges (John Cox)
9. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: Proseal cartridges (Tim Olson)
10. 09:36 AM - Re: Proseal cartridges (Tim Olson)
11. 09:49 AM - Re: Proseal cartridges (PJ Seipel)
12. 09:49 AM - Re: Proseal cartridges (Pascal)
13. 10:04 AM - Re: RV-10 nose gear failure (rleffler)
14. 10:09 AM - Re: Proseal cartridges (rleffler)
15. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: RV-10 nose gear failure (Tim Olson)
16. 11:32 AM - Re: Re: RV-10 nose gear failure (Bob Condrey)
17. 12:00 PM - Re: W-1028 J-Stiffeners (Albert Gardner)
18. 01:03 PM - Fw: RV-10 nose gear failure (Pascal)
19. 02:07 PM - Re: Fw: RV-10 nose gear failure (Ed Kranz)
20. 02:19 PM - Re: Re: Naca Vents (Bruce Johnson)
21. 03:13 PM - Re: Re: Naca Vents (Geoff Combs)
22. 04:52 PM - Was: RV-10 nose gear failure Now: Uncle Doug (Robin Marks)
23. 06:00 PM - Re: Fw: RV-10 nose gear failure (JimVillani)
24. 06:14 PM - Re: Was: RV-10 nose gear failure Now: Uncle Doug (Marcus Cooper)
25. 06:18 PM - Re: Fw: RV-10 nose gear failure (Marcus Cooper)
26. 07:57 PM - Re: RV-10 nose gear failure (Rick S.)
27. 08:53 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 nose gear failure (Pascal)
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| Subject: | Re: Antennae Install |
Comm 1 and Comm 2 on the belly under the rear seats - I've never had a reception
problem on the ground. Transponder on the belly a couple of feet behind the
baggage bulkhead. Archer Nav ant in the wingtip along with an archer MB. Seems
to work fine, although I've never found a marker beacon to fly over, yet.
Garmin GPS on roof, and GRT GPS on glareshield. Both work fine, but only the Garmin
does lose the signal in certain areas for a few seconds - avoid Senoia Georgia
(g). 406 ELT on top, just aft of baggage bulkhead - you don't even notice
it.
Saving the space under the pilot seats for the ADS-B shark fin. Used 400U for all
antenna runs.
John
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| Subject: | Proseal cartridges |
Looking at doing a set of tanks, last time I just used
quarts of proseal. I'm considering just doing that again,
as it looks like the cheapest way to go. I know that
there were semco guns and cartridges for proseal though.
Van's shows them and they're only 3.5 oz kits.
Is there something in between that I'm missing?
I mean, if I want to get like 1.5 quarts worth, is there
any *affordable* way to do this with cartridges so that
I don't have the mix and mess....or should I just tough
it out and do the old ziploc bag squeezer thing again?
I hate proseal...as does everyone, but I'm glad to build
my own tanks so I know they were built leak-free with
plenty of goo.
Tim
do not archive
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| Subject: | W-1028 J-Stiffeners |
While drilling my inboard (short) J-stiffener for the bottom wing skins
the last foot or so somehow moved on me. This resulted in off-centered
holes on the last 8-10 inches of the stiffener. Is there any reason I
cannot cut the end off and just replace it with a new piece overlapping
maybe 3-4 holes?
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Proseal cartridges |
You could do a hybrid solution. Those SEM catridges can be re-used. So you could
get two of the cartridges and a quart of proseal. When the cartridge is used
up, you pull the plunger and wait for it to cure, pull the proseal out and refill
from the quart container.
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| Subject: | Re: Proseal cartridges |
You could also go to Home Depot, Buy a $2 tube of latex calk, empty the
cartridge and use it...
Works GREAT!!!
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of charliewaffles
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:00 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Proseal cartridges
You could do a hybrid solution. Those SEM catridges can be re-used. So you
could get two of the cartridges and a quart of proseal. When the cartridge
is used up, you pull the plunger and wait for it to cure, pull the proseal
out and refill from the quart container.
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| Subject: | Re: Proseal cartridges |
Hi Tim,
I mixed small batches with tongue depressors on paper cards... then spread it on
the flanges with the tongue depressors... could almost pull it off without gloves.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On Jan 2, 2013, at 8:39 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Looking at doing a set of tanks, last time I just used
> quarts of proseal. I'm considering just doing that again,
> as it looks like the cheapest way to go. I know that
> there were semco guns and cartridges for proseal though.
> Van's shows them and they're only 3.5 oz kits.
> Is there something in between that I'm missing?
> I mean, if I want to get like 1.5 quarts worth, is there
> any *affordable* way to do this with cartridges so that
> I don't have the mix and mess....or should I just tough
> it out and do the old ziploc bag squeezer thing again?
> I hate proseal...as does everyone, but I'm glad to build
> my own tanks so I know they were built leak-free with
> plenty of goo.
> Tim
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-10 nose gear failure |
http://www.faa.gov/data_research/accident_incident/preliminary_data/media
/M_0102_N.txt
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| Subject: | Re: Proseal cartridges |
Your killing me Tim. By now you should know we blow through more than a
dozen cartridges a day at work.
Just let me know how many you want. I demo using a HF air tip with rubber
boot to reverse blow the cured empty cartridge apart. The thermoplastic is
re- usable. I also have different new tips for various reaches.
Allows batches to be mixed in buckets or cups and then loaded for use into
pre-used cartridges. Let me know if you don't have access to a pneumatic
pro seal gun. Will loan whatever you need as late birthday present.
Keeping you cost low is payback for all that you have done for the RV-10
family.
The baggies went the way of H-5606 back in the dark ages of building those
first RV-10's ;-)
OK I knew there would someday be an advantage of getting old and taking a
decade on builds.
John 40600
On Jan 2, 2013 8:44 AM, "Tim Olson" <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> Looking at doing a set of tanks, last time I just used
> quarts of proseal. I'm considering just doing that again,
> as it looks like the cheapest way to go. I know that
> there were semco guns and cartridges for proseal though.
> Van's shows them and they're only 3.5 oz kits.
> Is there something in between that I'm missing?
> I mean, if I want to get like 1.5 quarts worth, is there
> any *affordable* way to do this with cartridges so that
> I don't have the mix and mess....or should I just tough
> it out and do the old ziploc bag squeezer thing again?
> I hate proseal...as does everyone, but I'm glad to build
> my own tanks so I know they were built leak-free with
> plenty of goo.
> Tim
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Proseal cartridges |
On 1/2/2013 11:08 AM, JimVillani wrote:
>
> You could also go to Home Depot, Buy a $2 tube of latex calk, empty the
> cartridge and use it...
> Works GREAT!!!
>
You know, after seeing the reply on the empty tubes, I was
thinking that same thing to myself....."why can't I just buy
a nice plastic tube of caulk and do the same dang thing".
That's a great idea.
Sold!
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Proseal cartridges |
That's pretty much what I did the first time. Mixed it on
paper plates and use tongue depressors. I found that
loading a flexible ziploc bag was tough...the bag was
too flimsy. But, the caulk tube, now THAT would be easier
to load. The plate thing will work too, as a backup, because
that's how I'll mix it to load the tubes. So I think that's
a winning combination....and of course, once I have the ribs
in place, I'll use the tongue depressors to get the top sides
of the rivets too.
Very good, thanks guys.
PS: The RV14 is so very similar in starting the wings to
the RV-10...it's amazing. I started to scratch my head
a couple times and then looked at my RV-10 website photos
and it was instantly clear. I can't believe it's been
almost 7 years since I first flew, and that puts it
at nearly 9 years since I built wings. Time sure funs
when you're having flytime!
Tim
On 1/2/2013 11:09 AM, Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> I mixed small batches with tongue depressors on paper cards... then spread it
on the flanges with the tongue depressors... could almost pull it off without
gloves.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2013, at 8:39 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
>>
>> Looking at doing a set of tanks, last time I just used
>> quarts of proseal. I'm considering just doing that again,
>> as it looks like the cheapest way to go. I know that
>> there were semco guns and cartridges for proseal though.
>> Van's shows them and they're only 3.5 oz kits.
>> Is there something in between that I'm missing?
>> I mean, if I want to get like 1.5 quarts worth, is there
>> any *affordable* way to do this with cartridges so that
>> I don't have the mix and mess....or should I just tough
>> it out and do the old ziploc bag squeezer thing again?
>> I hate proseal...as does everyone, but I'm glad to build
>> my own tanks so I know they were built leak-free with
>> plenty of goo.
>> Tim
>> do not archive
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Proseal cartridges |
Tim,
I bought a used semco gun on ebay for $30, and the empty cartridges from
Aircraft Spruce (although they seem to be available on ebay as well,
maybe cheaper) and filled them myself from the quart kit. Not as cheap
as using a ziplock bag, but much more controllable and way less messy in
my opinion. Overall costs less than using the pre-filled cartridges,
but you still have to mix and then shove the goo into the cartridge.
I've also used the semco gun/cartridges for applying epoxy/micro, etc so
I feel like it was a worthwhile purchase.
If you go with that route, be advised that you need the empty cartridge,
the nozzle, and the plunger which are sold separately and altogether
cost about $2.60 a set from ACS.
PJ Seipel
RV-10 #40032 - I'll finish someday..
On 1/2/2013 08:39, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Looking at doing a set of tanks, last time I just used
> quarts of proseal. I'm considering just doing that again,
> as it looks like the cheapest way to go. I know that
> there were semco guns and cartridges for proseal though.
> Van's shows them and they're only 3.5 oz kits.
> Is there something in between that I'm missing?
> I mean, if I want to get like 1.5 quarts worth, is there
> any *affordable* way to do this with cartridges so that
> I don't have the mix and mess....or should I just tough
> it out and do the old ziploc bag squeezer thing again?
> I hate proseal...as does everyone, but I'm glad to build
> my own tanks so I know they were built leak-free with
> plenty of goo.
> Tim
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Proseal cartridges |
I used Q-tips, took the cotton off and used the sticks to work around the
rivets. My thought was to use as little proseal without missing a pin hole.
The other option is the wooden coffee stirrer found at supermarkets.
The caulk tube option is another way. put the end-tip over the rivet (put
the tip into the rivet until it is flush with the skin) and by default the
proseal will cover the area than use a smaller piece as above to smooth it
around the rivets- if needed.
7 years.. gee whiz you aren't kidding! I can't believe it has been that long
either.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Proseal cartridges
That's pretty much what I did the first time. Mixed it on
paper plates and use tongue depressors. I found that
loading a flexible ziploc bag was tough...the bag was
too flimsy. But, the caulk tube, now THAT would be easier
to load. The plate thing will work too, as a backup, because
that's how I'll mix it to load the tubes. So I think that's
a winning combination....and of course, once I have the ribs
in place, I'll use the tongue depressors to get the top sides
of the rivets too.
Very good, thanks guys.
PS: The RV14 is so very similar in starting the wings to
the RV-10...it's amazing. I started to scratch my head
a couple times and then looked at my RV-10 website photos
and it was instantly clear. I can't believe it's been
almost 7 years since I first flew, and that puts it
at nearly 9 years since I built wings. Time sure funs
when you're having flytime!
Tim
On 1/2/2013 11:09 AM, Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> I mixed small batches with tongue depressors on paper cards... then spread
> it on the flanges with the tongue depressors... could almost pull it off
> without gloves.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2013, at 8:39 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
>>
>> Looking at doing a set of tanks, last time I just used
>> quarts of proseal. I'm considering just doing that again,
>> as it looks like the cheapest way to go. I know that
>> there were semco guns and cartridges for proseal though.
>> Van's shows them and they're only 3.5 oz kits.
>> Is there something in between that I'm missing?
>> I mean, if I want to get like 1.5 quarts worth, is there
>> any *affordable* way to do this with cartridges so that
>> I don't have the mix and mess....or should I just tough
>> it out and do the old ziploc bag squeezer thing again?
>> I hate proseal...as does everyone, but I'm glad to build
>> my own tanks so I know they were built leak-free with
>> plenty of goo.
>> Tim
>> do not archive
>>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 nose gear failure |
Looks like Bob Kaufman's RV-10. I don't think Bob participates on the list.
Rick S., are your aware what happened?
bob
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Bob Leffler
N410BL - Paint - 90% done, 90% to go stage
RV-10 #40684
http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
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| Subject: | Re: Proseal cartridges |
I bought empty cartridges to fill. I found it much easier just to mix on a paper
plate and use a tongue depressor to apply, that to go through the fuss of filling
the tube. It also cut down on your working time, but then it took me awhile
to get the tube filled.
You can buy empty cartridges from the local supply shops. They're pretty inexpensive.
I do know somebody that has one of the large cartridges from Van's with I believe
a 3/13 expiration that I'm sure he'll make a deal if somebody wanted it. Email
me for the contact information if interested.
bob
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Bob Leffler
N410BL - Paint - 90% done, 90% to go stage
RV-10 #40684
http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 nose gear failure |
I hadn't heard that he was flying....did he just recently
get first flight or has he been flying for a while?
I know he originally was looking at doing a Rotary?, but I
don't know if he ended up doing it or going with the
usual. Sad to hear though, about the nose gear thing,
but very good that there were no fatals on the list of
statistics.
Tim
do not archive
On 1/2/2013 12:03 PM, rleffler wrote:
>
> Looks like Bob Kaufman's RV-10. I don't think Bob participates on the list.
>
> Rick S., are your aware what happened?
>
> bob
>
> --------
> Bob Leffler
> N410BL - Paint - 90% done, 90% to go stage
> RV-10 #40684
> http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391469#391469
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 nose gear failure |
Bob K and I exchanged email a few weeks ago and he said at that point he
was getting close. He changed horses and went with a Lycoming to get it in
the air. I haven't heard from him since...
Bob
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> I hadn't heard that he was flying....did he just recently
> get first flight or has he been flying for a while?
> I know he originally was looking at doing a Rotary?, but I
> don't know if he ended up doing it or going with the
> usual. Sad to hear though, about the nose gear thing,
> but very good that there were no fatals on the list of
> statistics.
>
> Tim
> do not archive
>
> On 1/2/2013 12:03 PM, rleffler wrote:
>
>>
>> Looks like Bob Kaufman's RV-10. I don't think Bob participates on the
>> list.
>>
>> Rick S., are your aware what happened?
>>
>> bob
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Leffler
>> N410BL - Paint - 90% done, 90% to go stage
>> RV-10 #40684
>> http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/**viewtopic.php?p=391469#391469<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391469#391469>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | W-1028 J-Stiffeners |
Bill, one RV I worked on the builder had cut a fuse J stiffener about a foot
short. He didn't want to have a gap between the stiffener and the skin at
the overlap so we cut a piece to butt up to the too-short stiffener and
covered it with a section of J-stiffener, don't recall how many rivets we
overlapped on each side. The Acceptable Methods book should be your guide to
things like this. Keep building, it will be a ton of fun someday to fly.
Albert Gardner
RV-10 N991RV
Yuma, AZ
PS: I'm currently assisting on an RV-8 and a Murphy Rebel. We RV builders
have the easy street I can tell you.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Billy Britton
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:46 AM
Subject: RV10-List: W-1028 J-Stiffeners
While drilling my inboard (short) J-stiffener for the bottom wing skins the
last foot or so somehow moved on me. This resulted in off-centered holes on
the last 8-10 inches of the stiffener. Is there any reason I cannot cut the
end off and just replace it with a new piece overlapping maybe 3-4 holes?
Bill
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| Subject: | Fw: RV-10 nose gear failure |
Came across some pictures of the plane. Looks like the front gear ripped off
and there is oil all over the belly, not sure which one came first however.
Not to spread a theory, but my understanding is that the plane did not flare
completely when it contacted the runway, possible pushrod related. Only the
NTSB report and Bob can confirm that.
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: RV-10 nose gear failure |
Purely speculation, but I gotta figure that the oil on the belly was there
before the nose gear collapse. There is a good amount of oil, and it's wind
blown all the way back to the tail.
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@live.com> wrote:
> Came across some pictures of the plane. Looks like the front gear ripped
> off and there is oil all over the belly, not sure which one came first
> however.
>
> Not to spread a theory, but my understanding is that the plane did not
> flare completely when it contacted the runway, possible pushrod related.
> Only the NTSB report and Bob can confirm that.
>
>
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I just finished putting my vents and overhead in and went with two naca's.
I got Geoff's controller and decided not to put it in and see how it worked
without and so far its fine. Went with the Stien eyeball vents and they do
a good job of sealing off air flow unless you want it. Not to talk you out
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The one thing about the controller is that in the winter you will still have
all that cold air up in the overhead. The Stein vents
works great but I was amazed at how much warmer the cabin is when the
overhead is completely shut off. I was like you at first Bruce
I did not have the controller in for the first couple months. I almost
canned the idea but love it now.
Either way 2 are better than one.
Geoff
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Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Naca Vents
I just finished putting my vents and overhead in and went with two naca's. I
got Geoff's controller and decided not to put it in and see how it worked
without and so far its fine. Went with the Stien eyeball vents and they do a
good job of sealing off air flow unless you want it. Not to talk you out of
putting in the controller, just my experience.
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Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Naca Vents
Hi Guys, sorry to take so long responding, New Years got in the way.
Ok, so I guess popular consensus is 2 NACA vents. Thx for the opinions.
Rick
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It's too easy to add that second vent now.
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| Subject: | Was: RV-10 nose gear failure Now: Uncle Doug |
Sort of reminds me of our uncle Doug during primary flight training:
[cid:image009.jpg@01CDE909.55F06DD0]
Doug is the one in front. He said not much he could do all of a sudden he w
as pointing nose down.
I sponsored a private BBQ fly-in for years and at one point flew Doug out t
o see some of the planes he flew during WWII.
[cid:image010.jpg@01CDE909.55F06DD0]
Doug piloted over 30 missions in the B-25 (forgive me if I have the aircraf
t wrong)
He said he could not believe how big it was today as he use to jump into it
like it was a Cherokee.
[cid:image011.jpg@01CDE909.55F06DD0]
Doug retired as a full Colonel and flew into his mid 70's.
[cid:image012.jpg@01CDE909.55F06DD0]
Robin
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| Subject: | Fw: RV-10 nose gear failure |
The Elevator Rod came loose from the control stick Page 39-10.
He lost control (the bolt fell out) about 75 ft off the ground at short
final
(After flying from Reno to Las Vegas....)
Both pilot and passenger walked away...
I was there...
It happened 12-31-12 at North Las Vegas Airport.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 1:01 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Fw: RV-10 nose gear failure
Came across some pictures of the plane. Looks like the front gear ripped off
and there is oil all over the belly, not sure which one came first however.
Not to spread a theory, but my understanding is that the plane did not flare
completely when it contacted the runway, possible pushrod related. Only the
NTSB report and Bob can confirm that.
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| Subject: | Re: Was: RV-10 nose gear failure Now: Uncle Doug |
Great bit of history, thanks!
Marcus
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On Jan 2, 2013, at 7:47 PM, Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:
Sort of reminds me of our uncle Doug during primary flight training:
<image009.jpg>
Doug is the one in front. He said not much he could do all of a sudden
he was pointing nose down.
I sponsored a private BBQ fly-in for years and at one point flew Doug
out to see some of the planes he flew during WWII.
<image010.jpg>
Doug piloted over 30 missions in the B-25 (forgive me if I have the
aircraft wrong)
He said he could not believe how big it was today as he use to jump into
it like it was a Cherokee.
<image011.jpg>
Doug retired as a full Colonel and flew into his mid 70's.
<image012.jpg>
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: RV-10 nose gear failure |
Thanks for the update, eliminates all sorts of random speculations. I think I
know what I'll be checking the next time I go to the airport!
Glad to hear everyone was okay, while the timing of the failure sure could have
been betterit could have been infinitely worse.
Marcus
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On Jan 2, 2013, at 8:59 PM, "JimVillani" <Jim@JimVillani.com> wrote:
The Elevator Rod came loose from the control stick Page 39-10.
He lost control (the bolt fell out) about 75 ft off the ground at short
final
(After flying from Reno to Las Vegas....)
Both pilot and passenger walked away...
I was there...
It happened 12-31-12 at North Las Vegas Airport.
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Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 1:01 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Fw: RV-10 nose gear failure
Came across some pictures of the plane. Looks like the front gear ripped off
and there is oil all over the belly, not sure which one came first however.
Not to spread a theory, but my understanding is that the plane did not flare
completely when it contacted the runway, possible pushrod related. Only the
NTSB report and Bob can confirm that.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 nose gear failure |
Jim,
Do you mean the pushrod end that has the self locking nut and safety wire To secure
the rod end. Not sure how you saw that flying around the pattern. I suggest
you let Bob speak for himself and let the investigation take its course without
speculation.
Rick Sked
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 nose gear failure |
Bob did tell me the oil on the belly was from the engine break in blow-by.
Not engine related. . Many of us know that there are some steps we
completely missed in the final inspection, it is quick possible something
came loose and if so I hope it will reinforce to the rest of us to make sure
we don't skim through anything. This goes for pre-flight.
I agree, at this point Bob will need to update the group, on the facts,
anything else is a theory. The good news is the plane did it's job and he
and his passenger walked away.
I am fascinated by NTSB reports, there is always something someone can gain
from, sadly, someone elses accident, and hopefully not repeat it oneself. I
received a invite to a webinar Jan 15, Gene Benson does a good job of
reviewing cases and talking about how one can avoid doing the same thing.
http://genebenson.com/call_the_ball/ctb_webinar.html
hope it helps someone as much as his previous presentations have helped me.
Pascal
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From: Rick S.
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 7:57 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 nose gear failure
Jim,
Do you mean the pushrod end that has the self locking nut and safety wire To
secure the rod end. Not sure how you saw that flying around the pattern. I
suggest you let Bob speak for himself and let the investigation take its
course without speculation.
Rick Sked
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RV-10
40185
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