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1. 03:12 AM - Control Column Deflection & Length (Patrick Pulis)
2. 03:44 AM - GTS-800 Upper TCAS Antenna Installation - Another Option (Patrick Pulis)
3. 06:25 AM - Re: Control Column Deflection & Length (Bill Watson)
4. 06:58 AM - Re: Control Column Deflection & Length (g.combs)
5. 07:29 AM - Re: Control Column Deflection & Length (Geoff Combs)
6. 08:21 AM - Re: GTS-800 Upper TCAS Antenna Installation - Another Option (Robin Marks)
7. 08:37 AM - Re: Control Column Deflection & Length (JimVillani)
8. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: Proseal cartridges (JimVillani)
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| Subject: | Control Column Deflection & Length |
I have one of Geoff Coombs carbon fibre instrument panels and I need to trim the
control column to enable my CS stick grip to clear the panel.
The measured measured control column deflections with no interference on the instrument
panel are as follows:
Fore: 69.9 degrees
Aft: 65.5 degrees
Port: 60.2 degrees
Starboard: 54.4 degrees
It would be interested to see what others are getting in the way of control column
deflections?
In order of my stick to clear the bottom of the instrument panel I will not only
need to cut the control column to its base, but also bend the control column
to ensure that the stick grip clears the panel!
I know of at least one other builder who has needed to both trim and bend the control
column, I would be interested to hear what other builders who have/are
fitting a carbon fibre panel have done please?
Warm regards
Patrick
South Australia
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| Subject: | GTS-800 Upper TCAS Antenna Installation - Another Option |
For those that are interested, we just completed installing the upper TCAS a
ntenna which needs to be mounted to as near as level as practicable, inclusi
ve of a ground plane. We elected to make up a foam moulding which we covered
with resin and cloth to suit the shape of the cabin top and of sufficient s
ize to mount the antenna using nut plates.
We placed a layer of tissue cloth and resin down over the cabin top before m
ounting the antenna plinth on the cabin top to seal the top as we found the c
abin top to be porous when we trialled a vacuum bag over the plinth moulding
.
Once cured (next night) we placed the plinth down (putting removable rubber p
lugs in the nut plates to prevent resin from entering and blocking them up),
then a layer of bronze wire mesh (about 18" x 18"), another layer of tissue
cloth; wetted that down with resin, then a 4oz cloth to overlap over the ed
ge of the mesh, wetting all down.
We cut out the cloth to leave the mesh open where the antenna will be mounte
d on the plinth, to enable the mesh to make contact with the base of the ant
enna.
We then vacuum bagged the whole affair down, until the bronze mesh profiled a
round the moulding of the plinth and flat onto the cabin top. All up, we ke
pt up the vacuum for about 3 hours until the resin cured.
We removed the plastic vacuum bagging this afternoon and it was all silky sm
ooth, with some minor feathering of the edges into the cabin top with some b
ody filler.
It was a little challenging but it worked out well. The plinth is about 1" h
igh and the ground plane a little thicker than the thickness of the mesh and
cloth.
I hope this helps those out there who are contemplating a TCAS installation.
The underside TCAS antenna will be mounted beneath the rear starboard seat
near the tunnel.
Warm regards
Patrick
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| Subject: | Re: Control Column Deflection & Length |
Even with the install of a close to stock panel (I did a Stein), I had
to both cut the stick down and bend it quite a bit. Works fine and
clears everything but they did have to be worked a good bit.
If I get out there in the cold, I'll try slapping a guage on the stick
to see what deflections I'm getting.
Bill
On 1/5/2013 6:15 AM, Patrick Pulis wrote:
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> I have one of Geoff Coombs carbon fibre instrument panels and I need to trim
the control column to enable my CS stick grip to clear the panel.
>
> The measured measured control column deflections with no interference on the
instrument panel are as follows:
> Fore: 69.9 degrees
> Aft: 65.5 degrees
> Port: 60.2 degrees
> Starboard: 54.4 degrees
>
> It would be interested to see what others are getting in the way of control column
deflections?
>
> In order of my stick to clear the bottom of the instrument panel I will not only
need to cut the control column to its base, but also bend the control column
to ensure that the stick grip clears the panel!
>
> I know of at least one other builder who has needed to both trim and bend the
control column, I would be interested to hear what other builders who have/are
fitting a carbon fibre panel have done please?
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| Subject: | Re: Control Column Deflection & Length |
Patrick
You do not want your stick to go under the panel at all. You will need to do a
little adjusting in the linkage but you should be able to get the amount of deflection
that vans requires. You will need
To probably put a elevator stop on for the down elevator to keep it from hitting
the panel.
I have also found that some sticks are not all the same. It also depends on which
grips you are using. You will cut almost all of the straight portion at the
top off no matter what sticks you are using. The sticks are way to long if adding
aftermarket grips.
I will send a picture of the elevator stop. It is very simple to install
Geoff
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On Jan 5, 2013, at 6:15 AM, Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
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> I have one of Geoff Coombs carbon fibre instrument panels and I need to trim
the control column to enable my CS stick grip to clear the panel.
>
> The measured measured control column deflections with no interference on the
instrument panel are as follows:
> Fore: 69.9 degrees
> Aft: 65.5 degrees
> Port: 60.2 degrees
> Starboard: 54.4 degrees
>
> It would be interested to see what others are getting in the way of control column
deflections?
>
> In order of my stick to clear the bottom of the instrument panel I will not only
need to cut the control column to its base, but also bend the control column
to ensure that the stick grip clears the panel!
>
> I know of at least one other builder who has needed to both trim and bend the
control column, I would be interested to hear what other builders who have/are
fitting a carbon fibre panel have done please?
>
> Warm regards
>
> Patrick
> South Australia
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| Subject: | Control Column Deflection & Length |
Patrick attached is a picture of the stop that I used. This idea was from
another RV-10 pilot that had the same
Problem with another brand of panel. They are very easy to install. I used
8-32 screws with locknuts and washers for the hardware only 2 required. You
will need to cut a notch in the piece of angle aluminum to allow for the
amount of deflection needed.
Contact me if you have other questions or concerns with this. Which stick
grips are you using? Also attached are
Some pictures that show where the sticks should be located when cut to fit.
I think on the grips in these pictures
There was only about 1" left
Geoff
Geoff Combs
Aerosport Modeling and Design
8090 howe industrial pkwy
canal winchester, ohio 43110
614.834.5227p
614.834.5230f
www.aerosportmodeling.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 6:15 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Control Column Deflection & Length
--> <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au>
I have one of Geoff Coombs carbon fibre instrument panels and I need to trim
the control column to enable my CS stick grip to clear the panel.
The measured measured control column deflections with no interference on the
instrument panel are as follows:
Fore: 69.9 degrees
Aft: 65.5 degrees
Port: 60.2 degrees
Starboard: 54.4 degrees
It would be interested to see what others are getting in the way of control
column deflections?
In order of my stick to clear the bottom of the instrument panel I will not
only need to cut the control column to its base, but also bend the control
column to ensure that the stick grip clears the panel!
I know of at least one other builder who has needed to both trim and bend
the control column, I would be interested to hear what other builders who
have/are fitting a carbon fibre panel have done please?
Warm regards
Patrick
South Australia
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| Subject: | GTS-800 Upper TCAS Antenna Installation - Another Option |
Looks good Patrick!
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 3:48 AM
Subject: RV10-List: GTS-800 Upper TCAS Antenna Installation - Another Option
For those that are interested, we just completed installing the upper TCAS antenna
which needs to be mounted to as near as level as practicable, inclusive of
a ground plane. We elected to make up a foam moulding which we covered with resin
and cloth to suit the shape of the cabin top and of sufficient size to mount
the antenna using nut plates.
We placed a layer of tissue cloth and resin down over the cabin top before mounting
the antenna plinth on the cabin top to seal the top as we found the cabin
top to be porous when we trialled a vacuum bag over the plinth moulding.
Once cured (next night) we placed the plinth down (putting removable rubber plugs
in the nut plates to prevent resin from entering and blocking them up), then
a layer of bronze wire mesh (about 18" x 18"), another layer of tissue cloth;
wetted that down with resin, then a 4oz cloth to overlap over the edge of the
mesh, wetting all down.
We cut out the cloth to leave the mesh open where the antenna will be mounted on
the plinth, to enable the mesh to make contact with the base of the antenna.
We then vacuum bagged the whole affair down, until the bronze mesh profiled around
the moulding of the plinth and flat onto the cabin top. All up, we kept up
the vacuum for about 3 hours until the resin cured.
We removed the plastic vacuum bagging this afternoon and it was all silky smooth,
with some minor feathering of the edges into the cabin top with some body filler.
It was a little challenging but it worked out well. The plinth is about 1" high
and the ground plane a little thicker than the thickness of the mesh and cloth.
I hope this helps those out there who are contemplating a TCAS installation. The
underside TCAS antenna will be mounted beneath the rear starboard seat near
the tunnel.
Warm regards
Patrick
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| Subject: | Control Column Deflection & Length |
Geoff,
I had the same problem with my panel and Stick...
And I used (strangely enough) the same solution.
Works Great!!!
Jim Villani
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Combs
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 7:27 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Control Column Deflection & Length
Patrick attached is a picture of the stop that I used. This idea was from
another RV-10 pilot that had the same Problem with another brand of panel.
They are very easy to install. I used
8-32 screws with locknuts and washers for the hardware only 2 required. You
will need to cut a notch in the piece of angle aluminum to allow for the
amount of deflection needed.
Contact me if you have other questions or concerns with this. Which stick
grips are you using? Also attached are Some pictures that show where the
sticks should be located when cut to fit.
I think on the grips in these pictures
There was only about 1" left
Geoff
Geoff Combs
Aerosport Modeling and Design
8090 howe industrial pkwy
canal winchester, ohio 43110
614.834.5227p
614.834.5230f
www.aerosportmodeling.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 6:15 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Control Column Deflection & Length
--> <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au>
I have one of Geoff Coombs carbon fibre instrument panels and I need to trim
the control column to enable my CS stick grip to clear the panel.
The measured measured control column deflections with no interference on the
instrument panel are as follows:
Fore: 69.9 degrees
Aft: 65.5 degrees
Port: 60.2 degrees
Starboard: 54.4 degrees
It would be interested to see what others are getting in the way of control
column deflections?
In order of my stick to clear the bottom of the instrument panel I will not
only need to cut the control column to its base, but also bend the control
column to ensure that the stick grip clears the panel!
I know of at least one other builder who has needed to both trim and bend
the control column, I would be interested to hear what other builders who
have/are fitting a carbon fibre panel have done please?
Warm regards
Patrick
South Australia
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| Subject: | Re: Proseal cartridges |
Latex Calk,
Soap and water clean up...
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron B.
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 4:05 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Proseal cartridges
By utilizing used caulk tubes, are we not concerned about contamination and
what it might do to proseal cure?
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