---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/07/13: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:09 AM - Re: Another RV-10 down? (rv10flyer) 2. 01:29 AM - Re: Another RV-10 down? (Robin Marks) 3. 01:34 AM - Re: Re: Another RV-10 down? (Robin Marks) 4. 03:23 AM - Re: Control Column Deflection & Length (TRAVILLEH Houston) 5. 05:45 AM - Re: Re: Another RV-10 down? (Tim Olson) 6. 06:29 AM - Re: Another RV-10 down? (rv10flyer) 7. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: Another RV-10 down? (Dave Saylor) 8. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Another RV-10 down? (Seano) 9. 08:05 AM - Re: Another RV-10 down? (rv10flyer) 10. 09:25 AM - Re: Another RV-10 down? (charliewaffles) 11. 01:35 PM - Re: Re: Another RV-10 down? (John MacCallum) 12. 09:13 PM - Fuel pump use (Leeverett) 13. 10:13 PM - Re: Fuel pump use (John MacCallum) 14. 10:59 PM - Re: Fuel pump use (Bob Turner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:06 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Another RV-10 down? From: "rv10flyer" N262NJ. -------- Wayne G. 12/01/2011 TT= 95 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391742#391742 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:29:06 AM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Another RV-10 down? 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Certificate Issue Date 11/27/2012 Serial Number 41147 Do Not Archive [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4119PH1X-zL._SS500_.jpg] -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of rv10flyer Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 12:08 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Another RV-10 down? lto:wayne.gillispie@gmail.com>> N262NJ. -------- Wayne G. 12/01/2011 TT= 95 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391742#391742 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Control Column Deflection & Length From: TRAVILLEH Houston Do not bend your control stick! Wait until after you have rigged your elevators, flaps and ailerons. You should then notice that full deflection of flight controls does not interfere with instrument panel. In other words, the travel distance of the control stick is less after rigging the flight control surfaces. Sent from my iPad On Jan 5, 2013, at 6:15 AM, Patrick Pulis wrote: > > I have one of Geoff Coombs carbon fibre instrument panels and I need to trim the control column to enable my CS stick grip to clear the panel. > > The measured measured control column deflections with no interference on the instrument panel are as follows: > Fore: 69.9 degrees > Aft: 65.5 degrees > Port: 60.2 degrees > Starboard: 54.4 degrees > > It would be interested to see what others are getting in the way of control column deflections? > > In order of my stick to clear the bottom of the instrument panel I will not only need to cut the control column to its base, but also bend the control column to ensure that the stick grip clears the panel! > > I know of at least one other builder who has needed to both trim and bend the control column, I would be interested to hear what other builders who have/are fitting a carbon fibre panel have done please? > > Warm regards > > Patrick > South Australia > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:23 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Another RV-10 down? This link has some good photos of the crash site. Did a good job to be walking away it looks like. First flight was 12/27/2012 I think, based on an online post, so it was only 1.5 weeks old when it went in. Probably was still in the Phase I would be my guess, and must have run into some sort of bug. http://www.sandiegonewsvideo.com/archive/20130105B-world-record-holder-crashes-plane There is video there showing the site too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IUm3aIuzuZE Tim On 1/7/2013 3:34 AM, Robin Marks wrote: > Certificate Issue Date11/27/2012 > > Serial Number**41147 > > Do Not Archive > > http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4119PH1X-zL._SS500_.jpg > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:20 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Another RV-10 down? From: "rv10flyer" Supposedly on with Ramona tower at 10,000' with low oil pressure and later engine seizure. He had three Garmin G3X's. Do they not have private strips on their database? Looks like several in that area. Glad he made it down safely. Another nose gear failure...maybe we need a beefier design. -------- Wayne G. 12/01/2011 TT= 95 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391751#391751 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:13 AM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Another RV-10 down? Jerry Jackson came to our shop before he started building a 10. He already holds a trans-con record in a 6. Very nice guy and seemed really competent. Dave Saylor 831-750-0284 CL On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:34 AM, Robin Marks wrote: > Certificate Issue Date 11/27/2012**** > > ** ** > > Serial Number* *41147**** > > ** ** > > Do Not Archive**** > > ** ** > > [image: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4119PH1X-zL._SS500_.jpg]**** > > ** ** > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv10flyer > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 12:08 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Another RV-10 down? > > ** ** > > ** > > ** ** > > N262NJ.**** > > ** ** > > --------**** > > Wayne G.**** > > 12/01/2011**** > > TT= 95**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Read this topic online here:**** > > ** ** > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391742#391742**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > ====================**** bsp; - The RV10-List Email Forum -**** nd much > much more:**** tronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List**** ====================****bsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > **** eb Forums!**** .matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com****=================== > **** bsp; - List Contribution Web Site -**** o:p>**bsp; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > **** tronics.com/contribution"> http://www.matronics.com/contribution****=================== > **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > -----**** > > No virus found in this message.**** > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com**** > - Release Date: 01/03/13**** > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Another RV-10 down? From: Seano G3X can show private strips. It's an option. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2013, at 7:28, "rv10flyer" wrote: > > Supposedly on with Ramona tower at 10,000' with low oil pressure and later engine seizure. He had three Garmin G3X's. Do they not have private strips on their database? Looks like several in that area. Glad he made it down safely. Another nose gear failure...maybe we need a beefier design. > > -------- > Wayne G. > 12/01/2011 > TT= 95 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391751#391751 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:59 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Another RV-10 down? From: "rv10flyer" It sure would have been nice if he could have made it to the 2,000' CA76, 5 nm NW of crash site. -------- Wayne G. 12/01/2011 TT= 95 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391760#391760 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:17 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Another RV-10 down? From: "charliewaffles" This serial number is latterly the one right after mine (41146) and I thought I was on a fast past to fly (by March). This guy beat me to it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391766#391766 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:35:34 PM PST US From: John MacCallum Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Another RV-10 down? Looks to me like he did a real good job and has touched down uphill as slow as he could get it. There doesn't appear to be much damage overall and I can only hope if I ever get into that situation I can do half as good! Cheers John MacCallum VH-DUU RV 10 # 41016 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv10flyer Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2013 1:29 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Another RV-10 down? Supposedly on with Ramona tower at 10,000' with low oil pressure and later engine seizure. He had three Garmin G3X's. Do they not have private strips on their database? Looks like several in that area. Glad he made it down safely. Another nose gear failure...maybe we need a beefier design. -------- Wayne G. 12/01/2011 TT= 95 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391751#391751 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:18 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Fuel pump use From: "Leeverett" I have finished my 10 except for paint and am ready for first flight. I finished transition training last weekend with Pierrie Smith. It was a great experience and I recommend him to anyone looking for a CFI. I noted we only used the electric fuel pump on engine start and not on takeoff, landing or fuel tank change. Is this everyone's practice or do other folks have different ideas. Thank. Leon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391785#391785 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:12 PM PST US From: John MacCallum Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel pump use Hi Leon, I asked that question from my CFI when I was doing my Commercial Training in a 182T with an IO-540. The answer I got was that it is unnecessary and he was of the opinion you could over fuel and make the mixture too rich on a Lycoming with fuel Injection by using the boost pump. They are certainly sons of B**^^$@ to start if they are hot and you accidently use the Boost pump to prime! Cheers John MacCallum VH-DUU RV 10 # 41016 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Leeverett Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2013 4:13 PM Subject: RV10-List: Fuel pump use I have finished my 10 except for paint and am ready for first flight. I finished transition training last weekend with Pierrie Smith. It was a great experience and I recommend him to anyone looking for a CFI. I noted we only used the electric fuel pump on engine start and not on takeoff, landing or fuel tank change. Is this everyone's practice or do other folks have different ideas. Thank. Leon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391785#391785 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:23 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel pump use From: "Bob Turner" Running the electric pump does not make the mixture too rich. There are some TCM set ups where this is possible, but not the Lyc in the 10. I run it whenever a failure of the mechanical pump would be bad news, e.g. down low, takeoff, landing. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391789#391789 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.