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1. 04:30 AM - Re: Re: Rough engine (debra EVERETT)
2. 05:35 AM - Re: Rough engine (bill.peyton)
3. 10:14 AM - Re: (Case 117320) VP-200 Compatibility with Dynon Skyview 5.1 EMS Data (Ben Westfall)
4. 12:52 PM - Fw: [MARKETING] VP-200/Dynon SkyView Service Bulletin (Kelly McMullen)
5. 02:02 PM - Re: Fw: [MARKETING] VP-200/Dynon SkyView Service Bulletin (Pascal)
6. 02:53 PM - Re: RV-List: Re: Fw: [MARKETING] VP-200/Dynon SkyView Service Bulletin (Tim Olson)
7. 03:30 PM - Re: RV-List: Re: Fw: [MARKETING] VP-200/Dynon SkyView Service Bulletin (Pascal)
8. 05:31 PM - Re: RV-List: Re: Fw: [MARKETING] VP-200/Dynon SkyView Service Bulletin (John Miller)
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| Subject: | Re: Rough engine |
Great ideas. I have a quadrant and there seems to be no binding of the thro
ttle cable. I will pull the filtered air box off and look at the servo care
fully. I also plan to do a compression check to rule out a stuck valve. I d
efinitely will not fly the plane until the
mystery is solved.
Thanx
Leon Everett
> From: dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com
> Date: Sun=2C 3 Feb 2013 20:05:57 -0800
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rough engine
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
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il.com>
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> Quadrant or push-pull? Check the serrated joint where the arm
> attaches to the throttle shaft=2C sometimes it can grab OK even if it's
> not fully engaged. Also=2C check where the throttle and mixture cable
> ends are attached=2C make sure there's no movement at either end.
>
> Dave Saylor
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> On Sun=2C Feb 3=2C 2013 at 7:03 PM=2C Danny Riggs <jdriggs49@msn.com> wro
te:
> > the throttle was physically stuck half way. opening up the throttle an
d
> > then pulling it back cleared the action. But then he says the engine we
nt
> > rough almost immediately. We pulled the cowl and I watched the cable an
d the
> > linkage as he worked the throttle and there appeared to be no problem.
Seems
> > like way too much of a coincidence going from stuck throttle to rough e
ngine
> > within about ten seconds!?!? Really weird! Any thoughts??
> >
> >> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rough engine
> >> From: bobturner@alum.rpi.edu
> >> Date: Sun=2C 3 Feb 2013 17:59:20 -0800
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
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> >> When you say the throttle stuck=2C do you mean it was physically hard
to
> >> move? and after forcing to full throttle=2C it was easy?
> >> I would look very carefully at the fuel servo=2C the arm=2C the contro
l cable.
> >> It sounds like something may have bound up=2C then broke. Look up insi
de the
> >> fuel servo for any foreign objects.
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> >> Bob Turner
> >> RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Rough engine |
The throttle actuator arm also controls an idle mixture arm. There is an adjustment
for your idle mixture and a linkage that causes it to move with the throttle.
I would check to see if that linkage has come loose, broken etc. This
would cause an extreme lean or rich condition depending on how it broke.
I also would not rule out the quadrant itself from having FOD drop into the linkage
inside the cockpit.
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| Subject: | Re: (Case 117320) VP-200 Compatibility with Dynon Skyview 5.1 |
EMS Data
For those not on the AeroElectric list I found this interesting....
Ben Westfall
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Vern Little"
I assisted both Garmin and Dynon in the writing of a common interface
specification (called FIX: Flight Information eXchange) for Attitude/Airdata
and EMS data. I invested a lot of my time and both companies agreed to the
common specification... including modifying their own protocol to allow for
commonality.
When Dynon production released their version, they added one field in the
air data, making it incompatible with the Garmin version. Now, apparently
they have changed the EMS data as well.
One small victory is that each company uses its own delimiter and version
number so it is possible in software to determine the format.
What we need is an industry group that produces interoperability
specifications. Unfortunately, our industry is too small to support such an
effort, so it's up to groups like MakerPlane to produce open standards for
EFIS data and such. One thing for sure, I will never donate my time to this
effort again. Shame on Dynon and shame on me.
Vern
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From: Matt Dralle
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 4:21 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: (Case 117320) VP-200 Compatibility with
Dynon Skyview 5.1 EMS Data
(I sent the message below to Dynon this afternoon. FYI -Matt)
Dear Dynon Support,
I was forwarded the text immediately below regarding the new Skyview Version
5.1 issue and EMS data stream compatibility with Vertical Power VP-200
I think that Dynon is kind of missing the point here. Dynon has, for all
intents and purposes, developed a "standard" for this EMS data format.
Whether arbitrary 3rd parties use it and/or communicate that use to Dynon is
also beside the point. Dynon has committed to a certain format and as such
cannot change it without incurring some serious, potentially negative and/or
life threatening ramifications in the field. The designers of TCP/IP didn't
just randomly decide to change the order and meaning byte values in the
standard. A standard is a standard. When its done and released, *its
done*. Version 1.0 cannot be updated.
Adding a "version string" to the data stream doesn't work either as the
devices listening to version 1.0 don't know the version string is there and
are equally as broken.
The only option is to version each new format and allow the user to select
between the various version. Or, depending on the flexibility of the
protocol, ADD new data strings to the format. But the original data strings
*cannot* be changed. For example, in NMEA0183, $GPGGAxxx, $GPRMCxxx etc.
allow for a progression of new formats to be added. But the format of
$GPGGAxxx always has to remain the same.
I work at a Government research laboratory in Livermore where I engineer and
write embedded firmware for remote security terminals that are used
throughout the Department of Energy sites. Part of that responsibility is
to design, implement, and utilize serial protocols for communicating between
various devices over both RS485 and Ethernet. If I were to make a change to
our protocol like Dynon has done in the upgrade between 5.0 and 5.1, I would
be fired. Plain and simple. Even IF everyone that is using the protocol
happens to be notified of the change, there is still the issue of
incrementally upgrading all of the end devices.
I guess my point here is that Dynon needs to take their various
"proprietary" serial protocols a whole lot more seriously. I believe this
is now at least the *third* time that a protocol change has adversely
impacted the user community. That is *not* acceptable. I would have
probably been fired after the first indiscretion, if not strongly
reprimanded. The second and third times would just not have happened.
For protocol versioning control, Dynon needs to either add additional named
strings to their protocol or they need to simply start versioning each
change AND including support for all versions in their products. For
example, the user should be able to select between EMS Version 1 or EMS
Version 2 or EMS Version 3 from the configuration menu. The format of EMS
Version 1 or any previous versions can never change; period.
And finally, given Dynon's lackadaisical attitude toward their protocol
specifications, I find it almost impossible to believe that a simple
downgrade from Version 5.1 to 5.0 is, by default, disallowed? Why aren't
the same Draconian version control practices imposed on the customers,
applied to their software developers as well?
Matt Dralle
RV-8/RV-6/RV-4
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: [MARKETING] VP-200/Dynon SkyView Service Bulletin |
According to Dynon Support -We only moved a few parameters around in the
new serial stream, so it's unfortunate that it will take them months to
fix this as it's likely just a few constants in their code to make it
work again.
Hopefully =9CWe are investigating the issue and will have
additional details in the future.=9D means they may release a fix
much sooner than the expected Q2 that I was told last Friday. Granted
this should not be VP issue, kudos, to Marc for at least providing a
fix, even if it is a potential long wait.
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I'm just glad my circuit breakers are still at release 1.0a firmware.
Saved me tons of time over the years with software revs on attached devices.
Tim
On Feb 4, 2013, at 4:01 PM, "Pascal" wrote:
> According to Dynon Support -We only moved a few parameters around in the n
ew serial stream, so it's unfortunate that it will take them months to fix t
his as it's likely just a few constants in their code to make it work again.
>
> Hopefully =9CWe are investigating the issue and will have additional
details in the future.=9D means they may release a fix much sooner th
an the expected Q2 that I was told last Friday. Granted this should not be V
P issue, kudos, to Marc for at least providing a fix, even if it is a potent
ial long wait.
>
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Truthfully this is not a circuit breaker rev issue it=99s a flight
modes issue. To put this in perspective the VP-x, which is the circuit
breaker is not =9Cbroke=9D has worked from day one and is
not impacted by the dynon upgrade. With the VP-200 it adds a whole lot
more safety than your rev 1.0a, the modes automatically kick in when a
Emergency is sensed, if there is an electrical failure, it identifies
the issue, shuts it down and will even go into a pre planned shutdown
list to eliminate a fire, same with engine out, preset boost and
checklist appears on steps to follow. It was all working and the circuit
breaker piece continues to work regardless of the Dynon improvements,
it=99s the modes and engine information that one needs
=9Ccorrection=9D or it is lost.
From: Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV10-List: Fwd: [MARKETING] VP-200/Dynon
SkyView Service Bulletin
I'm just glad my circuit breakers are still at release 1.0a firmware.
Saved me tons of time over the years with software revs on attached
devices.
Tim
On Feb 4, 2013, at 4:01 PM, "Pascal" wrote:
According to Dynon Support -We only moved a few parameters around in
the new serial stream, so it's unfortunate that it will take them months
to fix this as it's likely just a few constants in their code to make it
work again.
Hopefully =9CWe are investigating the issue and will have
additional details in the future.=9D means they may release a fix
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this should not be VP issue, kudos, to Marc for at least providing a
fix, even if it is a potential long wait.
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Well, at least Vertical Power is listening.
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Amen Tim!
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On Feb 4, 2013, at 4:52 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
> I'm just glad my circuit breakers are still at release 1.0a firmware.
> Saved me tons of time over the years with software revs on attached device
s.
> Tim
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> On Feb 4, 2013, at 4:01 PM, "Pascal" wrote:
>
>> According to Dynon Support -We only moved a few parameters around in the n
ew serial stream, so it's unfortunate that it will take them months to fix t
his as it's likely just a few constants in their code to make it work again.
>>
>> Hopefully =9CWe are investigating the issue and will have additiona
l details in the future.=9D means they may release a fix much sooner t
han the expected Q2 that I was told last Friday. Granted this should not be
VP issue, kudos, to Marc for at least providing a fix, even if it is a pote
ntial long wait.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Kelly McMullen
>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 12:50 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com ; rv-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Fwd: [MARKETING] VP-200/Dynon SkyView Service Bulleti
n
>>
>> Well, at least Vertical Power is listening.
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: [MARKETING] VP-200/Dynon SkyView Service Bulletin
>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 14:01:09 -0500 (EST)
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>> Dynon recently released SkyView 5.1 that added some new data logging feat
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>> If you have a VP-200 and Dynon SkyView installed, please do not upgrade t
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