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1. 08:46 AM - alodine (Billy Britton)
2. 08:50 AM - Re: Skyview 5.1 to 5.0 Downgrade Successful... (Pascal)
3. 09:17 AM - Re: alodine (Ed Godfrey)
4. 09:17 AM - Re: alodine (Ed Godfrey)
5. 09:24 AM - Re: alodine (Linn)
6. 10:14 AM - Re: alodine (Bob Leffler)
7. 10:39 AM - Re: alodine (Billy Britton)
8. 12:08 PM - Re: alodine (Jeff Carpenter)
9. 12:43 PM - Re: alodine (Patrick Pulis)
10. 03:00 PM - Instrument markings (Mike Whisky)
11. 03:35 PM - Re: Instrument markings (Dave Saylor)
12. 03:44 PM - Re: Instrument markings (Robin Marks)
13. 04:31 PM - Re: Instrument markings (Bob Turner)
14. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: Instrument markings (Kelly McMullen)
15. 05:06 PM - Re: Instrument markings (Don McDonald)
16. 05:07 PM - Re: Instrument markings (bill.peyton)
17. 06:50 PM - Re: alodine (Tom Ganster)
18. 06:51 PM - Re: Instrument markings (rv10flyer)
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A while back I recall a thread about alodine and where to get it. This
particular post I remember was about a powder form. I've searched
aircraft spruce and cannot find a powder form of alodine. Can anybody
tell me where I might find it? Also, Ive never done the alodine before.
What prep is required of the parts before using the alodine?
Thanks
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Skyview 5.1 to 5.0 Downgrade Successful... |
Thank you Matt for the update. Dynon needs to hear that having compatibility
with other hardware is critical. Unless they are looking for an autonomous
system, they need to carefully consider changing a stream that is working.
There are a few that pushed Mike and Robert for VP-200 compatibility a few
years ago, in my case for well over 1 year. Dynon is very aware of this
compatibility, yet said that Vertical Power needs to "fix" this, with a
discontinued component, its low priority for VP.
Making haphazard changes be someone else's issue is simply something that
they MUST change. If it never worked, fine, however, not good when it was
working and Dynon broke it and moved on with "we dont support..."
Dynon is a good company, you are right they are trying to take on all sorts
of upgrades to their Skyview but they need to understand that their forums
have customers asking for 3rd party compatibility, if they dont get a
protocol that works and leave it, it will happen to someone else next time.
With the change of command at Dynon, I hope that Mike will take your call
seriously and consider the implications in the future.
thx
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Dralle
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 7:18 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Skyview 5.1 to 5.0 Downgrade Successful...
Dear Listers,
Good news. I was able to roll back to Skyview 5.0.0 using a special
roll-back file supplied Mike Schofield at Dynon and carefully followed a
procedure he outlined to accomplish the task at hand. I am again getting an
EMS data feed from the Skyview to the VP-200. I haven't flown or started
the engine yet, but I flipped on the Boost pump and saw fuel pressure so
that's a good sign.
Hopefully Vertical Power will have an update for the VP-200 soon...
I had a long phone conversation with Mike Schofield, Marketing Manager at
Dynon about the trials and tribulations of late. He was sympathetic to the
plight of those of us utilizing their EMS protocol, but didn't seem like
they were planning on really doing anything procedurally any different in
the future with respect to not compromising the data integrity of the data
format for devices such as the VP-200 in the field. I indicated that as a
developer of products that might potentially use those protocols, I would be
uncomfortable choosing to use those data feeds because of the lack of
commitment to their stability and continuity by Dynon. I guess I got my
point across. He went on to say that they hadn't intended for the protocol
to be used by autonomous devices like the VP-200, but rather foresaw it
simply being used as raw data that would be captured and used for
post-analysis like with a spreadsheet. I countered that even in those
applications, some consistency of for!
mat is expected and consumers of the data might very will write scripts
and/or code to interpret the data and would be put off by constant format
changes.
Anyway, Dynon is a small company and they've got a lot on their plate and a
lot of customers asking for a lot of different things. I think they get it,
but it sometimes takes events like this to show them exactly why these
things are important.
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
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Bill,
Here is a snippet of a message from Matronics RV10 list that I had
a copy of.
Ed Godfrey
40717
Look up PreKote.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Kent Ogden <mailto:OgdenK@upstate.edu>
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:09 AM
*Subject:* RV10-List: Powdered Iridite or Alodine
Hello list,
I've been looking for a source of powdered Iridite, I talked to Eldorado
Solutions today and they aren't able to produce the powdered version of
Iridite 14-2 right now. I did find some at Pegasus Auto Racing Supply:
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=6081. $60 for
two pounds of powder which should be plenty. I don't see any powdered
de-oxidizer there though (like the Eldorado D-1). Does anyone have any
other/better sources for alodining chemicals/cleaners?
Kent Ogden
#40710 (real) slow-build, tailcone
On 2/7/2013 10:45 AM, Billy Britton wrote:
> A while back I recall a thread about alodine and where to get it.
> This particular post I remember was about a powder form. I've
> searched aircraft spruce and cannot find a powder form of alodine.
> Can anybody tell me where I might find it? Also, Ive never done the
> alodine before. What prep is required of the parts before using the
> alodine?
> Thanks
> Bill
> *
>
>
> *
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Bill,
Here is a snippet of a message from RV10 list that I had a copy of.
Ed Godfrey
40717
Look up PreKote.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Kent Ogden <mailto:OgdenK@upstate.edu>
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:09 AM
*Subject:* RV10-List: Powdered Iridite or Alodine
Hello list,
I've been looking for a source of powdered Iridite, I talked to Eldorado
Solutions today and they aren't able to produce the powdered version of
Iridite 14-2 right now. I did find some at Pegasus Auto Racing Supply:
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=6081. $60 for
two pounds of powder which should be plenty. I don't see any powdered
de-oxidizer there though (like the Eldorado D-1). Does anyone have any
other/better sources for alodining chemicals/cleaners?
Kent Ogden
#40710 (real) slow-build, tailcone
On 2/7/2013 10:45 AM, Billy Britton wrote:
> A while back I recall a thread about alodine and where to get it.
> This particular post I remember was about a powder form. I've
> searched aircraft spruce and cannot find a powder form of alodine.
> Can anybody tell me where I might find it? Also, Ive never done the
> alodine before. What prep is required of the parts before using the
> alodine?
> Thanks
> Bill
> *
>
>
> *
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You can use the search engines to find a supplier near you. You might
also get a local plating shop to get the powder for you. The liquid
alodine is not very concentrated. As for prep, all it needs to be is
squeaky clean.
Linn
On 2/7/2013 11:45 AM, Billy Britton wrote:
> A while back I recall a thread about alodine and where to get it.
> This particular post I remember was about a powder form. I've
> searched aircraft spruce and cannot find a powder form of alodine.
> Can anybody tell me where I might find it? Also, Ive never done the
> alodine before. What prep is required of the parts before using the
> alodine?
> Thanks
> Bill
> *
>
>
> *
>
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I may have some powder left over, but I'll have to check on the quantity.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 7, 2013, at 11:45 AM, "Billy Britton" <william@gbta.net> wrote:
A while back I recall a thread about alodine and where to get it. This part
icular post I remember was about a powder form. I've searched aircraft spru
ce and cannot find a powder form of alodine. Can anybody tell me where I mi
ght find it? Also, Ive never done the alodine before. What prep is require
d of the parts before using the alodine?
Thanks
Bill
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If anybody has any left over I'd be willing to buy it from you. I've
been on the 'net for the last two hours looking for suppliers and made
several calls and nobody seems to handle it anymore. Ive called PPG -
Eldorado Chemical and they dont sell to individuals so I was put into
contact with Graco Supply who is a retailer for PPG. They dont have it
in stock so theyre getting me info for a bid but they dont kinow minumum
purchase requirements. Doesn't sound like its gonna pan out.
If anybody has any left I can purchase you can leave a message on here
or preferably email me at billbritton73@yahoo.com.
Thanks
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Leffler
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: alodine
I may have some powder left over, but I'll have to check on the
quantity.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 7, 2013, at 11:45 AM, "Billy Britton" <william@gbta.net> wrote:
A while back I recall a thread about alodine and where to get it.
This particular post I remember was about a powder form. I've searched
aircraft spruce and cannot find a powder form of alodine. Can anybody
tell me where I might find it? Also, Ive never done the alodine before.
What prep is required of the parts before using the alodine?
Thanks
Bill
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why don't you skip the alodine and use Prekote?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On Feb 7, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Billy Britton wrote:
> If anybody has any left over I'd be willing to buy it from you. I've
been on the 'net for the last two hours looking for suppliers and made
several calls and nobody seems to handle it anymore. Ive called PPG -
Eldorado Chemical and they dont sell to individuals so I was put into
contact with Graco Supply who is a retailer for PPG. They dont have it
in stock so theyre getting me info for a bid but they dont kinow minumum
purchase requirements. Doesn't sound like its gonna pan out.
>
> If anybody has any left I can purchase you can leave a message on here
or preferably email me at billbritton73@yahoo.com.
>
> Thanks
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Leffler
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 12:12 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: alodine
>
> I may have some powder left over, but I'll have to check on the
quantity.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 7, 2013, at 11:45 AM, "Billy Britton" <william@gbta.net> wrote:
>
> A while back I recall a thread about alodine and where to get it.
This particular post I remember was about a powder form. I've searched
aircraft spruce and cannot find a powder form of alodine. Can anybody
tell me where I might find it? Also, Ive never done the alodine before.
What prep is required of the parts before using the alodine?
>
> Thanks
> Bill
>
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Bill,
I keep the alodine solution in a 20 litre container and top up the crystal c
oncentration when I notice the dip time is starting to get longer to achieve
the same level of coating.
I always prepare the parts by scrubbing them with a maroon 3M Scotchbrite pa
d in a solution of 'Deoxidine' (a Henkel product), just scrub enough to get t
he shine off the aluminium, then fresh water rinse and air dry before dippin
g in the alodine solution.
I use a storage water heater overflow tray, which is about 1.5" deep & about
4' in diameter to dip the large parts. The advantage of this tray is that i
t has a plastic ball valve plumbed into the tray and allows me to easily dec
ant the solution back into the storage container for reuse. I use black pla
stic irrigation fittings and pipe which attach to the ball valve. Can send y
ou pictures.
For longer, slender parts, I've made up a long bath using 6" diameter PVC se
wer pipe with caps each end and another plastic ball valve fitted as describ
ed above.
I've cut the top 2" off the entire length of the pipe to allow you to sit th
e pipe horizontally on an old pallet. Great for long parts and gives a solut
ion depth of about 4".
Please ensure that you read the Material Safety Data Sheet for the alodine m
ore so, as its toxic stuff.
I've seen guys also use wheelie bins as dip baths and lowering parts in with
tie wire and suspending them from some dowel placed across the bin opening.
Doing this means you'll need a lot of solution and the bin is very heavy t
o move. I get away with 20 litres, which is stored when not required.
Yell out if you need any more info. Google the Henkel site for technical adv
ice.
Warm regards from Oz.
Patrick
Adelaide, South Australia
On 08/02/2013, at 3:15 AM, "Billy Britton" <william@gbta.net> wrote:
> A while back I recall a thread about alodine and where to get it. This pa
rticular post I remember was about a powder form. I've searched aircraft sp
ruce and cannot find a powder form of alodine. Can anybody tell me where I m
ight find it? Also, Ive never done the alodine before. What prep is requir
ed of the parts before using the alodine?
>
> Thanks
> Bill
>
>
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| Subject: | Instrument markings |
Hi everyone,
I attached a picture with my planned instrument markings (EFIS/EM settings) to
ask if you could please verify. I have an TMX-IO540 (IO-450 D4A5) engine and extracted
all information I could from the Lycoming Operator's Manual.
Could you please help to verify especially the oil temp & presure markings fuel
flow and EGT.
Thanks
Michael
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument markings |
That all looks about right. I ended up going with the book numbers at
first and then tweaking a few things here and there to make it more
livable.
You're gonna see something higher than 22 GPH on takeoff, you might
want to red line that closer to 26-27. That way it won't sound a
nuisance alarm.
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Mike Whisky <rv-10@wellenzohn.net> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I attached a picture with my planned instrument markings (EFIS/EM settings) to
ask if you could please verify. I have an TMX-IO540 (IO-450 D4A5) engine and
extracted all information I could from the Lycoming Operator's Manual.
>
> Could you please help to verify especially the oil temp & presure markings fuel
flow and EGT.
>
> Thanks
> Michael
>
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> RV-10 builder (interior & finishing)
> #511
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| Subject: | Instrument markings |
Michael,
I am not sure I would be cut & dry on my EGT's. I prefer a warning in the 1400's,
say 1,450 enter Yellow Arc? Same goes for the low end of EGT. I like to be
warned (yellow) when I am under 1100 for example.
Re: Oil Temp it's not unusual to see 210 and still be in normal operating range.
Maybe 209 Green, 210-245 Yellow?
As far as your Engine RPM I go FWF on takeoff and then when I can make the runway
I pull back prop to 2,500 and continue to climb out. If I'm at 2503 or 2497
I don't adjust. Not sure I would want Yellow warning at 2,500. I know a few people
that fly 25/2500 exclusively (yikes).
On fuel flow you will spend a lot of time at 1.7 to 2.3 gph when taxiing. With
your set up expect to see red a lot on your FF. Same goes for decent. I can get
under 8 GPH on my decent for arrival. I personally would probably prefer seeing
Yellow so you keep RED as Prohibited range.
Obviously these are all your call.
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Whisky
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 3:00 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Instrument markings
Hi everyone,
I attached a picture with my planned instrument markings (EFIS/EM settings) to
ask if you could please verify. I have an TMX-IO540 (IO-450 D4A5) engine and extracted
all information I could from the Lycoming Operator's Manual.
Could you please help to verify especially the oil temp & presure markings fuel
flow and EGT.
Thanks
Michael
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument markings |
1. Already mentioned, sea level full power takeoff fuel flow should be close to
26 gal/hr, certainly not less than 24.
2. Lycoming says 500 F CHT redline, but nearly everyone agrees that's too high.
3. Absolute EGT means little. It will vary with probe placement, etc.
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument markings |
If one wanted to set an upper limit on EGT, I would select about 1550 to
avoid nuisance alarms.
I have probes 1.5" below flange on my Mooney 200 hp IO-360, and only see
above 1500 if something is wrong, like a plug not firing.
You can determine fuel flow as part of test program. I find 9.5 gph/100
hp is about right. Turbo charged and turbo normalized need more, but we
aren't supposedly using that hardware on our 10s. If take off EGT shows
around 1200-1250 on takeoff, fuel flow is fine.
On 2/7/2013 5:30 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
> 1. Already mentioned, sea level full power takeoff fuel flow should be close
to 26 gal/hr, certainly not less than 24.
> 2. Lycoming says 500 F CHT redline, but nearly everyone agrees that's too high.
> 3. Absolute EGT means little. It will vary with probe placement, etc.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
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GPH:- change the 8 to 7.
Oil Temp:- yellow 205-225--- red > 225
Oil Pressure:- Green 55-99- yellow 100-115- red > 115
Just my 3 cents.
Don McDonald
--- On Thu, 2/7/13, Mike Whisky <rv-10@wellenzohn.net> wrote:
From: Mike Whisky <rv-10@wellenzohn.net>
Subject: RV10-List: Instrument markings
Hi everyone,
I attached a picture with my planned instrument markings (EFIS/EM settings)
to ask if you could please verify. I have an TMX-IO540 (IO-450 D4A5) engin
e and extracted all information I could from the Lycoming Operator's Manual
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Could you please help to verify especially the oil temp & presure markings
- fuel flow and EGT.
Thanks
Michael
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My cht redline starts at 400 F.
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Bill,
You can find it at Pegasus racing supply in New Berlin, WI. They are
on the net. I have half a container full left, The stuff is very
concentrated.
Tom Ganster CLI (Getting ready for paint)
From: Billy Britton
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 10:45 AM
Subject: RV10-List: alodine
A while back I recall a thread about alodine and where to get it. This
particular post I remember was about a powder form. I've searched
aircraft spruce and cannot find a powder form of alodine. Can anybody
tell me where I might find it? Also, Ive never done the alodine before.
What prep is required of the parts before using the alodine?
Thanks
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument markings |
With all of this good info these gentlemen posted above, you will be close. After
your first flight readjust things so that your caution ranges are closer to
your actual normal indications. Take a pic at 5000' when all is stabilized. For
me, I want to be warned of low fuel pres less than 20 psi; low oil pressure
less than 65 psi; high cht above 380F; and the most important for me was high
fuel flow set at 26.5 gph. If you get a fuel leak that you can't see or smell
and you energize the boost pump due to rough running engine, you will want to
get on the ground in a hurry if FF exceeds that number. Bill and I installed
a cowl outlet temperature limit switch as extra warning. Mine is set to open at
200F which deenergizes a relay bringing on my LED.
I have MP going from 10-30". RPM max 2750. EGT max 1550F.
Please get one person to put a wrench on every single fuel, oil and flight control
connection. Apply or reapply torque stripe. Fill oil cooler and prime your
oil system. Disconnect fuel line at servo inlet, turn boost pump on and ensure
you have at least 40 gph fuel flow from both tanks.
Good luck and enjoy. I wish I had the money to build this at 20 instead of 40 years
old.
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Wayne G.
SB 12/01/2009-12/01/2011
TT= 97.6
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