---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/19/13: 34 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:22 AM - Cabin Top Grab Handle (Patrick Pulis) 2. 04:29 AM - Re: Baffling tips (Michael Kraus) 3. 05:50 AM - Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle (johngoodman) 4. 06:10 AM - Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle (Michael Kraus) 5. 07:51 AM - Re: Desser Tire Package (Barry) 6. 08:11 AM - Re: Re: Desser Tire Package (Linn) 7. 08:20 AM - Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle (Robin Marks) 8. 08:30 AM - Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle (Linn) 9. 08:38 AM - ground power attach (David Leikam) 10. 08:56 AM - Re: ground power attach (Linn) 11. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: Desser Tire Package (Tim Olson) 12. 09:09 AM - Re: ground power attach (Geoff Combs) 13. 09:23 AM - Re: ground power attach (Marcus Cooper) 14. 09:38 AM - Re: ground power attach (Danny Riggs) 15. 09:40 AM - Re: ground power attach (Linn) 16. 10:02 AM - Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle (johngoodman) 17. 10:07 AM - Re: ground power attach (johngoodman) 18. 10:17 AM - Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle (dmaib@me.com) 19. 10:33 AM - Re: ground power attach (Geoff Combs) 20. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle (Bruce Johnson) 21. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle (Ed Godfrey) 22. 11:40 AM - Installation of fittings on the engine (Jeff Carpenter) 23. 11:59 AM - Re: Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle (Patrick Pulis) 24. 12:00 PM - Re: Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle (Bruce Johnson) 25. 12:29 PM - Re: Installation of fittings on the engine (Sean Stephens) 26. 12:33 PM - Re: Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle (Gordon Anderson) 27. 12:41 PM - Re: ground power attach (tsts4) 28. 01:38 PM - Re: ground power attach (Mike Whisky) 29. 02:06 PM - Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle (Mike Whisky) 30. 02:10 PM - Re: Re: ground power attach (Robin Marks) 31. 02:27 PM - Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle (Robin Marks) 32. 03:00 PM - Re: Installation of fittings on the engine (Linn) 33. 03:06 PM - Re: Re: ground power attach (Linn) 34. 08:44 PM - Re: ground power attach (woxofswa) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:10 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Cabin Top Grab Handle From: Patrick Pulis For those flying, do you think that fitting a grab handle to assist with the step up onto the wing is justified. The Tobago doesn't have such a handle and it's easy enough to get up onto the wing. The Cirrus SR-20 on the other hand is fitted with a grab handle which makes the step up onto the wing much easier. For those who have fitted a grab handle either side of the cabin top, I would appreciate your thoughts and what type of handles and how you attached them please? Pictures would be vey much appreciated please. Warm regards Patrick ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Baffling tips From: Michael Kraus I used soft AN4 rivets and 1/8" aluminum washers. Looks really nice, holds g reat, and super easy to drill out if needed.... -Mike Kraus RV-4 sold :-( RV-10 flying :-) KitFox SS7 Radial building :-) On Feb 18, 2013, at 11:03 PM, "woxofswa" wrote: > > Here's a couple of baffling tips worth what they cost. > > Those dad gum steel pop rivets are the most strenuous project of all. I g runted more on those bad boys than installing the main gear legs. > > I finally got smart and breaker bar'd my hand squeezer. > > > > Also, I found that if I drilled the holes for those rivets at 31 instead o f 30 (drill size), they secured better and didn't pull through as much. > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. Finishing k it and FWF kit in progress. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394543#394543 > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > >
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:28 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle From: "johngoodman" Absolutely. I put handles on both sides, right under the rear windows. The object is to let the passenger grab it before they put their foot on the step. Exiting, I find it useful for me backing off the wing. If you go to the aviation department at Home Depot, or Lowes, you can find them labeled as drawer pulls. Get the attractive 4" one. John -------- #40572 Phase One complete and flying. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394563#394563 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/handle_498.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/handle_585.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cabin Top Grab Handle From: Michael Kraus I believe a grab handle would be convenient, but I did not install one. Several times passengers look for something to grab and basically they put their hand on the top and brace that way.... Do not archive -Mike Kraus RV-4 sold :-( RV-10 flying :-) KitFox SS7 Radial building :-) On Feb 19, 2013, at 7:26 AM, Patrick Pulis wrote: > > For those flying, do you think that fitting a grab handle to assist with the step up onto the wing is justified. The Tobago doesn't have such a handle and it's easy enough to get up onto the wing. The Cirrus SR-20 on the other hand is fitted with a grab handle which makes the step up onto the wing much easier. > > For those who have fitted a grab handle either side of the cabin top, I would appreciate your thoughts and what type of handles and how you attached them please? > > Pictures would be vey much appreciated please. > > Warm regards > > Patrick > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:31 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Desser Tire Package From: "Barry" When I broke down my main wheels to flip the tires, the tubes had four or five folds/creases around the wheel side. They looked like a leak waiting to happen, so I replaced them with the new 90' valve leak guards. The old tubes were the 90' valve tubes Dresser sold two or three years ago, and I had reused them when I put on new tires. I figured the old tubes had stretched and that is what caused the folds. The new tubes seemed to fit the wheel side ok, so I installed them. I'll report back if I have any problems. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394573#394573 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:41 AM PST US From: Linn Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Desser Tire Package I doubt the tubes really stretch. If so, the stretch is minimum ..... the tube is constrained by the tire. I've seen tubes with folds ..... but also with an absence of talc. I talc the tire, tube, and the wheel liberally. I use the packet that Desser sends with the tire and a lot of baby powder which is mostly cornstarch so you might hit the pantry. ;-) Remove the valve core and compress the tube as much as possible to make it easier to insert into the tire. Inflate the tube with an air gun so it fills out inside the tire ...... a couple of times. Then assemble the tire/wheel. Inflate the tube with an air gun so it fills out inside the tire/wheel a few times more. Insert the valve core and air up the tire to whatever your working pressure is. I've reused tubes a lot ..... and never had a tube failure ..... and yes, I may be due .... and I firmly believe that creases in a tube are caused by improper installation. Linn.... IMHO, of course! On 2/19/2013 10:50 AM, Barry wrote: > > When I broke down my main wheels to flip the tires, the tubes had four or five folds/creases around the wheel side. They looked like a leak waiting to happen, so I replaced them with the new 90' valve leak guards. The old tubes were the 90' valve tubes Dresser sold two or three years ago, and I had reused them when I put on new tires. I figured the old tubes had stretched and that is what caused the folds. The new tubes seemed to fit the wheel side ok, so I installed them. I'll report back if I have any problems. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394573#394573 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:09 AM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cabin Top Grab Handle I don't see the benefit of a handle. It's extra stuff with little upside. I tell PAX entering the PAX side of the -10 "Left Foot, Left Hand, Right Foot". That is left foot on the step, left hand on the very convenient to reach left aft (open) door sill and then right foot on the wing skid pad. Simple operation those flying (or building) have done a 1000 times w/o the need for a grab handle. When entering the pilots side my instructions are "Right Foot, Right Hand, Left Foot" on the wing skid pad. I have yet to have anyone need a handle to climb into the -10. The challenge is instructing them on how to properly slide into the Co-pilots seat. The rear seats are a snap to enter in the -10. Robin Sent from my iPad2. On Feb 19, 2013, at 4:26 AM, "Patrick Pulis" wrote: > > For those flying, do you think that fitting a grab handle to assist with the step up onto the wing is justified. The Tobago doesn't have such a handle and it's easy enough to get up onto the wing. The Cirrus SR-20 on the other hand is fitted with a grab handle which makes the step up onto the wing much easier. > > For those who have fitted a grab handle either side of the cabin top, I would appreciate your thoughts and what type of handles and how you attached them please? > > Pictures would be vey much appreciated please. > > Warm regards > > Patrick > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:52 AM PST US From: Linn Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cabin Top Grab Handle On 2/19/2013 11:19 AM, Robin Marks wrote: > > I don't see the benefit of a handle. Glad to hear that. I don't want any extra drag. > The challenge is instructing them on how to properly slide into the Co-pilots seat. The rear seats are a snap to enter in the -10. So what's the problem with the co-pilot's side? Linn ..... long way from needin that info!!! > > Robin > > Sent from my iPad2. > > On Feb 19, 2013, at 4:26 AM, "Patrick Pulis" wrote: > >> >> For those flying, do you think that fitting a grab handle to assist with the step up onto the wing is justified. The Tobago doesn't have such a handle and it's easy enough to get up onto the wing. The Cirrus SR-20 on the other hand is fitted with a grab handle which makes the step up onto the wing much easier. >> >> For those who have fitted a grab handle either side of the cabin top, I would appreciate your thoughts and what type of handles and how you attached them please? >> >> Pictures would be vey much appreciated please. >> >> Warm regards >> >> Patrick >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:51 AM PST US From: David Leikam Subject: RV10-List: ground power attach What are the current methods for ground power attachment for battery boost and jumping without removing the rear bulkhead panels? Photos if possible? David Leikam ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:49 AM PST US From: Linn Subject: Re: RV10-List: ground power attach Haven't done it yet, but I'm going to mount a Piper receptacle in the rear bulkhead .... accessible through the baggage door. Linn On 2/19/2013 11:38 AM, David Leikam wrote: > What are the current methods for ground power attachment for battery > boost and jumping without removing the rear bulkhead panels? > Photos if possible? > > David Leikam > > > * > > > * > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:30 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Desser Tire Package Linn, you may have hit the reason on the head... I do the same: Inflate the tube in the tire and then deflate it. That way it has room to shift around into the right position. So perhaps some people are just putting the deflated tube in place, inflating it, never knowing how it laid out inside? Tim On 2/19/2013 10:11 AM, Linn wrote: > > I doubt the tubes really stretch. If so, the stretch is minimum ..... > the tube is constrained by the tire. > > I've seen tubes with folds ..... but also with an absence of talc. > I talc the tire, tube, and the wheel liberally. I use the packet that > Desser sends with the tire and a lot of baby powder which is mostly > cornstarch so you might hit the pantry. ;-) > Remove the valve core and compress the tube as much as possible to make > it easier to insert into the tire. > Inflate the tube with an air gun so it fills out inside the tire ...... > a couple of times. > Then assemble the tire/wheel. > Inflate the tube with an air gun so it fills out inside the tire/wheel a > few times more. > Insert the valve core and air up the tire to whatever your working > pressure is. > > I've reused tubes a lot ..... and never had a tube failure ..... and > yes, I may be due .... and I firmly believe that creases in a tube are > caused by improper installation. > Linn.... IMHO, of course! > > On 2/19/2013 10:50 AM, Barry wrote: >> >> When I broke down my main wheels to flip the tires, the tubes had four >> or five folds/creases around the wheel side. They looked like a leak >> waiting to happen, so I replaced them with the new 90' valve leak >> guards. The old tubes were the 90' valve tubes Dresser sold two or >> three years ago, and I had reused them when I put on new tires. I >> figured the old tubes had stretched and that is what caused the folds. >> The new tubes seemed to fit the wheel side ok, so I installed them. >> I'll report back if I have any problems. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394573#394573 >> >> ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:31 AM PST US From: "Geoff Combs" Subject: RE: RV10-List: ground power attach I have a AMP style connector with #10 wire going to battery and a lead set that plugs into connector in photo. It also has #10 wire leads that can be hooked to charger or cables. I use it to charge as needed. 2 weeks ago left master on and battery was dead after 2 hours. I jumped the airplane using my connector with leads from a car. We let it charge with the car for about 3 minutes and then jumped in and it started right up. Worked great. I was worried with the wire size. It was designed for mainly charging. Small and compact The DB9 connector is for ADSB programming FWIW Geoff Combs Aerosport Modeling and Design 8090 howe industrial pkwy canal winchester, ohio 43110 614.834.5227p 614.834.5230f www.aerosportmodeling.com _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:56 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: ground power attach Haven't done it yet, but I'm going to mount a Piper receptacle in the rear bulkhead .... accessible through the baggage door. Linn On 2/19/2013 11:38 AM, David Leikam wrote: What are the current methods for ground power attachment for battery boost and jumping without removing the rear bulkhead panels? Photos if possible? David Leikam No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 02/19/13 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:09 AM PST US From: Marcus Cooper Subject: Re: RV10-List: ground power attach I also have yet to do this, but this thread got me thinking that maybe it would be better to put the receptacle on the floor just forward of the bulkhead so you don't have to remove a cover or worry about disconnecting wires when it comes time to pull the bulkhead. The Piper setup seem like a great way to go though since it has a flip cover to protect the connections. Just a thought. Marcus On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Linn wrote: Haven't done it yet, but I'm going to mount a Piper receptacle in the rear bulkhead .... accessible through the baggage door. Linn On 2/19/2013 11:38 AM, David Leikam wrote: > What are the current methods for ground power attachment for battery boost and jumping without removing the rear bulkhead panels? > Photos if possible? > > David Leikam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 02/19/13 > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:49 AM PST US From: Danny Riggs Subject: RE: RV10-List: ground power attach I bought the Piper receptacle from ACS and then wired the male end with wel ding cables that you can attach to your battery charger and or jumper cable s to. Works very well for the minimal amount of money. If you want=2C I'll be glad to send you a picture. Email me at: jdriggs49@msn.com From: arplnplt@gmail.com Subject: RV10-List: ground power attach What are the current methods for ground power attachment for battery boost and jumping without removing the rear bulkhead panels?Photos if possible? David Leikam ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:11 AM PST US From: Linn Subject: Re: RV10-List: ground power attach Hmmm. Lighter and less expensive than the Piper aux power (I think), but not compatible with the standard airport cart. Carrying around your jumper cables may make up the weight penalty. How often do you need to reprogram the ADSB??? Linn On 2/19/2013 12:08 PM, Geoff Combs wrote: > I have a AMP style connector with #10 wire going to battery and a lead > set that plugs into connector in photo. It also > has #10 wire leads that can be hooked to charger or cables. I use it > to charge as needed. > 2 weeks ago left master on and battery was dead after 2 hours. I > jumped the airplane using my connector with > leads from a car. We let it charge with the car for about 3 minutes > and then jumped in and it started right up. > Worked great. I was worried with the wire size. It was designed for > mainly charging. Small and compact > The DB9 connector is for ADSB programming > FWIW > *Geoff Combs * > Aerosport Modeling and Design > 8090 howe industrial pkwy > canal winchester, ohio 43110 > *614.834.5227p > *614.834.5230f > www.aerosportmodeling.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Linn > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:56 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: ground power attach > > Haven't done it yet, but I'm going to mount a Piper receptacle in the > rear bulkhead .... accessible through the baggage door. > Linn > > On 2/19/2013 11:38 AM, David Leikam wrote: >> What are the current methods for ground power attachment for battery >> boost and jumping without removing the rear bulkhead panels? >> Photos if possible? >> >> David Leikam >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * >> >> >> * >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> 02/19/13 >> > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:35 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle From: "johngoodman" > I have yet to have anyone need a handle to climb into the -10. Try being in your 70s and 5'4".... You need a handle John -------- #40572 Phase One complete and flying. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394592#394592 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:59 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: ground power attach From: "johngoodman" I bought the military style from Spruce and put it on the floor next to the battery tray. John -------- #40572 Phase One complete and flying. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394593#394593 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/extpwr_149.jpg ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:47 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle From: "dmaib@me.com" I installed handles from the Home Depot Aviation Dept. as suggested earlier. I put mine above the rear window and just a bit aft of the center of the window. I had seen similar installations on other -10's as well as other types of airplanes. My older Bonanza had a similar handle. Sorry I don't have a pic available. I am glad I installed them. As John noted, they are especially helpful for shorter folks. Robin is correct about trying to explain to people how to get into the front seat gracefully once up on the wing. That can be a challenge for some folks. As noted, getting into the back seat is very easy. -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Transition Trainer New Smyrna Beach, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394594#394594 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:08 AM PST US From: "Geoff Combs" Subject: RE: RV10-List: ground power attach Linn I only have to update it if a new software release comes out. So far about 3-4 times in the last year. Geoff Combs Aerosport Modeling and Design 8090 howe industrial pkwy canal winchester, ohio 43110 614.834.5227p 614.834.5230f www.aerosportmodeling.com _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 12:40 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: ground power attach Hmmm. Lighter and less expensive than the Piper aux power (I think), but not compatible with the standard airport cart. Carrying around your jumper cables may make up the weight penalty. How often do you need to reprogram the ADSB??? Linn On 2/19/2013 12:08 PM, Geoff Combs wrote: I have a AMP style connector with #10 wire going to battery and a lead set that plugs into connector in photo. It also has #10 wire leads that can be hooked to charger or cables. I use it to charge as needed. 2 weeks ago left master on and battery was dead after 2 hours. I jumped the airplane using my connector with leads from a car. We let it charge with the car for about 3 minutes and then jumped in and it started right up. Worked great. I was worried with the wire size. It was designed for mainly charging. Small and compact The DB9 connector is for ADSB programming FWIW Geoff Combs Aerosport Modeling and Design 8090 howe industrial pkwy canal winchester, ohio 43110 614.834.5227p 614.834.5230f www.aerosportmodeling.com _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:56 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: ground power attach Haven't done it yet, but I'm going to mount a Piper receptacle in the rear bulkhead .... accessible through the baggage door. Linn On 2/19/2013 11:38 AM, David Leikam wrote: What are the current methods for ground power attachment for battery boost and jumping without removing the rear bulkhead panels? Photos if possible? David Leikam No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 02/19/13 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com" >http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" >http://www.matronics.com/c No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 02/19/13 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:43 AM PST US From: Bruce Johnson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle I too have installed the Lowes version of the Home Depot aviation handle. I t did not make any difference in flying and helps getting in and out. I put mine above the rear window and everybody that gets in uses it I guess beca use its there.-=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: "dmaib@ me.com" =0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, Febr uary 19, 2013 11:17 AM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle=0A stalled handles from the Home Depot Aviation Dept. as suggested earlier. I put mine above the rear window and just a bit aft of the center of the wind ow. I had seen similar installations on other -10's as well as other types of airplanes. My older Bonanza had a similar handle. Sorry I don't have a p ic available. I am glad I installed them. As John noted, they are especiall y helpful for shorter folks.=0ARobin is correct about trying to explain to people how to get into the front seat gracefully once up on the wing. That can be a challenge for some folks. As noted, getting into the back seat is very easy.=0A=0A--------=0ADavid Maib=0ARV-10 #40559=0ATransition Trainer =0ANew Smyrna Beach, FL=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahtt p://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394594#394594=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =============== ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:50 AM PST US From: Ed Godfrey Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle For those of you who have installed the handle, did you install hardpoints to mount them to? Ed Godfrey 40717 On 2/19/2013 12:35 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > I too have installed the Lowes version of the Home Depot aviation > handle. It did not make any difference in flying and helps getting in > and out. I put mine above the rear window and everybody that gets in > uses it I guess because its there. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* "dmaib@me.com" > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:17 AM > *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle > > > > > I installed handles from the Home Depot Aviation Dept. as suggested > earlier. I put mine above the rear window and just a bit aft of the > center of the window. I had seen similar installations on other -10's > as well as other types of airplanes. My older Bonanza had a similar > handle. Sorry I don't have a pic available. I am glad I installed > them. As John noted, they are especially helpful for shorter folks. > Robin is correct about trying to explain to people how to get into the > front seat gracefully once up on the wing. That can be a challenge for > some folks. As noted, getting into the back seat is very easy. > > -------- > David Maib > RV-10 #40559 > Transition Trainer > New Smyrna Beach, FL > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394594#394594 > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:09 AM PST US From: Jeff Carpenter Subject: RV10-List: Installation of fittings on the engine I've been hunting around for guidance on the installation of the NPT fittings on the engine (such as the VA-128 and the AN823-8D) and have, so far, come up short. Are there specific torque ranges? What thread lube/sealant should be used? Jeff Carpenter 40304 Trying to hang this engine... ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle From: Patrick Pulis John, Do you have any pictures please. No Lowes or Home Depot in South Australia mate, will have to match as close as possible to what is available locally. Warm regards Patrick On 20/02/2013, at 12:19 AM, "johngoodman" wrote: > > Absolutely. I put handles on both sides, right under the rear windows. The object is to let the passenger grab it before they put their foot on the step. Exiting, I find it useful for me backing off the wing. > If you go to the aviation department at Home Depot, or Lowes, you can find them labeled as drawer pulls. Get the attractive 4" one. > John > > -------- > #40572 Phase One complete and flying. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394563#394563 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/handle_498.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/handle_585.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:59 PM PST US From: Bruce Johnson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle I just drilled and put a fender washer inside the cabin.=0A=0A=0A__________ ______________________=0A From: Ed Godfrey =0ATo: r v10-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:58 AM=0ASubje ct: Re: RV10-List: Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle=0A =0A=0AFor those of you who have installed the handle, did you install hardpoints to mount them to?=0A =0AEd Godfrey=0A40717=0A=0A=0AOn 2/19/2013 12:35 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: =0A=0AI too have installed the Lowes version of the Home Depot aviation han dle. It did not make any difference in flying and helps getting in and out. I put mine above the rear window and everybody that gets in uses it I gues s because its there.-=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A> From: "dmaib@me.com" =0A>To: rv10-list@matronics.com =0A>Sen t: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:17 AM=0A>Subject: RV10-List: Re: Cabin Top @me.com>=0A>=0A>I installed handles from the Home Depot Aviation Dept. as =0A suggested earlier. I put mine above the rear window and just =0A a bit aft of the center of the window. I had seen similar=0A installations on other -10's as well as other types of=0A airplanes. My older Bonanza had a similar handle. Sorry I=0A don't have a pic available. I am glad I installed them. As=0A John noted, they are especially helpful for shorter folks.=0A>Robin is cor rect about trying to explain to people how to=0A get into the fr ont seat gracefully once up on the wing. That=0A can be a challe nge for some folks. As noted, getting into=0A the back seat is v ery easy.=0A>=0A>--------=0A>David Maib=0A>RV-10 #40559=0A>Transition Train er=0A>New Smyrna Beach, FL=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Read this topic online here: =0A>=0A>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394594#394594 =0A>=0A ==================== ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:03 PM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: Re: RV10-List: Installation of fittings on the engine I've been using the torque tables from a reprint of the Lycoming Overhaul Manual. Lycoming part number 60294-X where X varies on the printing. I think mine is 60294-7. Contact me off list if you'd like a PDF of just the torque tables from the manual. -Sean #40303 (finishing engine baffles) On 2/19/13 1:39 PM, Jeff Carpenter wrote: > > I've been hunting around for guidance on the installation of the NPT fittings on the engine (such as the VA-128 and the AN823-8D) and have, so far, come up short. Are there specific torque ranges? What thread lube/sealant should be used? > > Jeff Carpenter > 40304 > Trying to hang this engine... > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:33:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle From: Gordon Anderson Hey Patrick, Try IKEA, even if they aren't that close they also do mail order. They have a great range of door handles for drawers and wardrobes etc., the Attest and Tag look like the most appropriate. Upside is that they use metric threads so you can have at least 4 screws on your plane sourced locally ;-) http://www.ikea.com/au/en/preindex.html http://www.ikea.com/au/en/catalog/products/90176636/ http://www.ikea.com/au/en/catalog/products/10177036/ Cheers, Gordon Anderson 41015 Switzerland Do not archive On Feb 19, 2013, at 9:04 PM, Patrick Pulis wrote: > > John, > > Do you have any pictures please. No Lowes or Home Depot in South Australia mate, will have to match as close as possible to what is available locally. > > Warm regards > > Patrick > > On 20/02/2013, at 12:19 AM, "johngoodman" wrote: > >> >> Absolutely. I put handles on both sides, right under the rear windows. The object is to let the passenger grab it before they put their foot on the step. Exiting, I find it useful for me backing off the wing. >> If you go to the aviation department at Home Depot, or Lowes, you can find them labeled as drawer pulls. Get the attractive 4" one. >> John >> >> -------- >> #40572 Phase One complete and flying. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394563#394563 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/handle_498.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/handle_585.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:11 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: ground power attach From: "tsts4" I also went the mil-type 3-prong connector mounted next to the battery with an access panel on the bottom of the tailcone. -------- Todd Stovall aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace RV-10 N728TT Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394612#394612 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fp19052012a0002i_167.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/fp19052012a0002j_162.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/fp21122012a0002f1_163.jpg ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:09 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: ground power attach From: "Mike Whisky" Here is my setup: I used the setup proposed by vertical power but used a different plug. In order to activate it i press the yellow button which lights up when active. I can't find right now the description on how to modify the power socket but will post it later. Basically you cut off the back part and solder in a bolt to attach the #2 cable. Regards Michael -------- RV-10 builder (interior & finishing) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394615#394615 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/groundpower_schematic_118.pdf http://forums.matronics.com//files/groundpower_4_977.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/groundpower_3_156.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/groundpower_2_198.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/groundpower_1_711.jpg ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:55 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Cabin Top Grab Handle From: "Mike Whisky" That's how they are doing it at Aero centro Aeronaves in Brazil Mike -------- RV-10 builder (interior & finishing) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394618#394618 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/handle_148.png ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:28 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: ground power attach On the 8A I opted for an umbilical cord right under the belly. This is a st andard Piper unit purchased through Spruce. I am embarrassed to say that I have used it many times already in my 8A's 130 TT. I chose to mount it on t he belly so that I could get a jump and have someone remove it while my can opy is closed and no baggage doors or anything else open. The receptacle is not too heavy but the plugs do have some heft. I made up two sets of plugs . One I keep in the airplane and one in the hangar. We staggered the wire l engths so the leads don't touch and we kept them short of the ground for ob vious reasons. We could have reduced the cable length by 2/3rds and may do so in the future. The plug is directly under the battery so there is minima l internal cabling. I have liked the set up and would do it again. Robin [cid:image009.jpg@01CE0EAA.C8BCF920][cid:image010.jpg@01CE0EAA.C8BCF920][ci d:image011.jpg@01CE0EAA.C8BCF920][cid:image012.jpg@01CE0EAA.C8BCF920] -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Whisky Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:37 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: ground power attach :rv-10@wellenzohn.net>> Here is my setup: I used the setup proposed by vertical power but used a different plug. In order to activate it i press the yellow button which lights up when acti ve. I can't find right now the description on how to modify the power socket bu t will post it later. Basically you cut off the back part and solder in a b olt to attach the #2 cable. Regards Michael -------- RV-10 builder (interior & finishing) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394615#394615 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/groundpower_schematic_118.pdf http://forums.matronics.com//files/groundpower_4_977.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/groundpower_3_156.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/groundpower_2_198.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/groundpower_1_711.jpg ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:28 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cabin Top Grab Handle Lynn, I have come to believe that items like that handle which I have already said I would not install probably have almost no effect on performance due to drag. A friend of ours places a large foam block on the ends of his bent belly antenna to protect his dog's eyes. He recently took a flight and returned to find the foam block was still on the antenna! That being said the best aero configuration for the handle is not the best usability orientation. I can see losing balance and having your fingers wedged in that thing and really hurting yourself. Not to sound like a wuss but I don't see the need. Of course I am not 5'4" and 70 years old (and neither is Patrick or his kids). If I were 70 I would probably need a forklift! Note we have stuffed my 84 year old Mother-In-Law who is quite feeble in the back seat w/o a handle. It does take some assistance such as a somewhat inappropriate butt lift along the way but we do get it done. As far as your question on the front seat entry you will figure it out on your own as you build. But since you asked. I tell all front seat PAX once they are on the wing to place their Left Heal on the Left Center of the Seat Ledge. My seat ledge like many others has nonskid tape to note the position. Then the most valuable information is to "Keep your Butt High" whereby I am asking them to keep standing up and move their butt to the head rest area. Grab onto the Center Post with their Left hand. Then take their Right foot/leg and slide into position. The rest will follow. Novices big mistake is they get their left leg in an start sitting down immediately leaving their right leg hanging out of the fuselage. While this can be quite comfortable it is definitely less aerodynamic. Pulling their right leg in requires great flexibility. The high butt technique works great for me... so to speak. Good luck, Robin -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 8:30 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cabin Top Grab Handle On 2/19/2013 11:19 AM, Robin Marks wrote: > > I don't see the benefit of a handle. Glad to hear that. I don't want any extra drag. > The challenge is instructing them on how to properly slide into the Co-pilots seat. The rear seats are a snap to enter in the -10. So what's the problem with the co-pilot's side? Linn ..... long way from needin that info!!! > > Robin > > Sent from my iPad2. > > On Feb 19, 2013, at 4:26 AM, "Patrick Pulis" wrote: > >> --> >> >> For those flying, do you think that fitting a grab handle to assist with the step up onto the wing is justified. The Tobago doesn't have such a handle and it's easy enough to get up onto the wing. The Cirrus SR-20 on the other hand is fitted with a grab handle which makes the step up onto the wing much easier. >> >> For those who have fitted a grab handle either side of the cabin top, I would appreciate your thoughts and what type of handles and how you attached them please? >> >> Pictures would be vey much appreciated please. >> >> Warm regards >> >> Patrick >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:21 PM PST US From: Linn Subject: Re: RV10-List: Installation of fittings on the engine On 2/19/2013 2:39 PM, Jeff Carpenter wrote: > > I've been hunting around for guidance on the installation of the NPT fittings on the engine (such as the VA-128 and the AN823-8D) Snug is good for tapered pipe fittings. > and have, so far, come up short. Are there specific torque ranges? Not that I know of either. > What thread lube/sealant should be used? I use Fuel Lube .... Linn > > Jeff Carpenter > 40304 > Trying to hang this engine... > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:54 PM PST US From: Linn Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: ground power attach ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:33 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: ground power attach From: "woxofswa" Here's mine. I used the Aero'lectric diagram for the Piper plug since I already had the cables. The thing I really like about it so far is that I've been able to power up systems to test during construction without spending on a proper battery yet which I don't plan to buy until right before first flight. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. Finishing kit and FWF kit in progress. 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