---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/21/13: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:58 AM - PC925L & PC680 mounting (Wayne Pedersen) 2. 11:58 AM - Re: Grab handles (Patrick Pulis) 3. 11:58 AM - Re: Grab handles (Patrick Pulis) 4. 01:45 PM - Re: PC925L & PC680 mounting (rvdave) 5. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: PC925L & PC680 mounting (Rene Felker) 6. 03:31 PM - Re: ground power attach (woxofswa) 7. 04:09 PM - Re: PC925L & PC680 mounting (bill.peyton) 8. 04:23 PM - Re: Aircraft Lifting (Albert Gardner) 9. 04:47 PM - Re: Re: PC925L & PC680 mounting (Kelly McMullen) 10. 04:59 PM - Re: PC925L & PC680 mounting (rvdave) 11. 06:16 PM - Re: Re: PC925L & PC680 mounting (Robin Marks) 12. 06:42 PM - Re: PC925L & PC680 mounting (bill.peyton) 13. 07:06 PM - Re: Grab handles () 14. 07:14 PM - Re: PC925L & PC680 mounting (rv10flyer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:31 AM PST US From: Wayne Pedersen Subject: RV10-List: PC925L & PC680 mounting I have searched the archives and can't seem to fine any pictures or discussion on mounting a dual battery system comprising of a PC925L and PC680. Anybody have any pictures of their mounting configuration or "if I had to do it again" confessions? I have considered the PC925L in standard rear position and PC680 on the firewall as in the RV7. Thanks Wayne RV10 final wiring RV7"eh?" flying ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:58:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Grab handles From: Patrick Pulis Any pictures please Lew? Warm regards Patrick On 21/02/2013, at 3:17 PM, wrote: > Hey Carroll, > > I couldn=99t find the handles by your number online with Lowe=99 s here, but did find it at Home Depot. > > Later, =93 Lew > > From: Carroll L. Verhage > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:08 PM > To: RV-10 > Subject: RV10-List: Grab handles > > Patrick: Grab handles are nice and work well. They are easy to install. I have seen all sizes of grab handles but ones that look nice and are just the right size are Lowes' stainless 128mm BP27021-G drawer pull. I mounted them just above the rear windows 12 inches aft of the door opening. Their a dditional aeronautical drag is negligable. Make a template of the mounting h oles on the handle. Drill a #8 screw size pilot hole through each layer of t he Lexan into the cabin. Make sure these holes match the handle. Reem a li ttle if necessary. Then drill the outer layer of the Lexan the OD of an alu minum spacer with an ID about the size of the #8 screw (I think it was 3/16 O D and 1/8 ID). Cut the spacer the length of the thickness of the Lexan so i t stops against the inner layer of the Lexan and is flush with the outside L exan surface. Mix about a tablespoon of epoxy with fiberglass filler for ea ch handle the consistancy of peanut butter. Put 1/2 the epoxy in each mount ing hole. Put a spacer in each hole so it has some fiberglass around the sp acer filling up the cavity between the two layers of Lexan. Align the space rs by putting the handles back on. Let the fiberglass harden. Permanently m ount the handles using a stainless steel fender washer inside the cabin. If the spacer is a little long, you can file it down flush with the outside. T he spacer has to be long enough to press against the inner layer. With the s pacers surrounded by fiberglass, it will stay in place when the handle is re moved and also assure you don't collapse the shell when the handle is tighte ned down. You can add handles after you have your 10 built and flying and t he cabin upholstery installed. > > > Carroll > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:58:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Grab handles From: Patrick Pulis Many thanks Carroll. Warm regards Patrick On 21/02/2013, at 8:38 AM, "Carroll L. Verhage" wro te: > Patrick: Grab handles are nice and work well. They are easy to install. I have seen all sizes of grab handles but ones that look nice and are just the right size are Lowes' stainless 128mm BP27021-G drawer pull. I mounted them just above the rear windows 12 inches aft of the door opening. Their a dditional aeronautical drag is negligable. Make a template of the mounting h oles on the handle. Drill a #8 screw size pilot hole through each layer of t he Lexan into the cabin. Make sure these holes match the handle. Reem a l ittle if necessary. Then drill the outer layer of the Lexan the OD of an al uminum spacer with an ID about the size of the #8 screw (I think it was 3/16 OD and 1/8 ID). Cut the spacer the length of the thickness of the Lexan so it stops against the inner layer of the Lexan and is flush with the outside Lexan surface. Mix about a tablespoon of epoxy with fiberglass filler for e ach handle the consistancy of peanut butter. Put 1/2 the epoxy in each moun ting hole. Put a spacer in each hole so it has some fiberglass around the s pacer filling up the cavity between the two layers of Lexan. Align the spac ers by putting the handles back on. Let the fiberglass harden. Permanently m ount the handles using a stainless steel fender washer inside the cabin. If the spacer is a little long, you can file it down flush with the outside. T he spacer has to be long enough to press against the inner layer. With the s pacers surrounded by fiberglass, it will stay in place when the handle is re moved and also assure you don't collapse the shell when the handle is tighte ned down. You can add handles after you have your 10 built and flying and t he cabin upholstery installed. > > > Carroll > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:20 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: PC925L & PC680 mounting From: "rvdave" That's the same configuration I'm looking at. Vans as you point out has a firewall kit for the pc680, I'm also looking at the Hawker tray. It's similar to the one I have in my flying 6 although the battery in the 6 is smaller. I believe someone has installed the firewall 680 and am looking for photos as well. -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394764#394764 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:33:17 PM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: PC925L & PC680 mounting I put a 680 on my firewall and have managed to kill the battery in two years. I think it was a heat problem. Next month while I am doing my condition inspection I am planning on taking the battery down to the battery shop and having them check it out and see if they can help tell me what went wrong. I have a 925 in the back that dates back to 2007. It is still going strong, but I am planning on having that checked out also. I put the 680 on the firewall after I was flying for extra reserve power and.....to move the CG forward. When I was building the airplane, because of some online discussions, I was concerned about the forward CG position of the stock airplane and made some decisions that drove the CG back (o2 and ELT placement). But after I was flying I found the CG to far back. So, I added the battery. Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rvdave Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 2:44 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: PC925L & PC680 mounting That's the same configuration I'm looking at. Vans as you point out has a firewall kit for the pc680, I'm also looking at the Hawker tray. It's similar to the one I have in my flying 6 although the battery in the 6 is smaller. I believe someone has installed the firewall 680 and am looking for photos as well. -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394764#394764 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:11 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: ground power attach From: "woxofswa" I understand the jump start argument, but still think options and flexibility are good. There is a big difference in risk between night/IFR and day/vfr. Most EFIS systems have independent power backup. Getting stuck where a battery or AC power for a charge is either unavailable or a ripoff might change perspective. A lot of airplanes fly without electrical systems, but a 540 would be a tough and dangerous hand throw. A jump is much safer if a solo pilot can remain at the controls and the Samaritan just needs to pull the plug and either keep or mail the cables. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. Finishing kit and FWF kit in progress. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394767#394767 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:50 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: PC925L & PC680 mounting From: "bill.peyton" Here is our set up. The PC925 fits perfect in the existing Vans designed tray. -------- Bill WA0SYV Aviation Partners, LLC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394768#394768 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1978_561.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:40 PM PST US From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aircraft Lifting I used a coupla of Harbor Freight Jacks and made some jack stands using plywood to hold them vertical. Used a short length of ready-bolt to screw into the tie down ring holes. Works well. Albert Gardner RV-10 N991RV Yuma, AZ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: PC925L & PC680 mounting From: Kelly McMullen Seems like you need the 925L to match the cables as Vans supplies them, with the negative at the front end of the battery and positive to the rear. On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 5:09 PM, bill.peyton wrote: > > Here is our set up. The PC925 fits perfect in the existing Vans designed > tray. > > -------- > Bill > WA0SYV > Aviation Partners, LLC > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394768#394768 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1978_561.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:12 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: PC925L & PC680 mounting From: "rvdave" Nice setup Bill, do you have any photos of your tray construction and supports for the battery and accessories? -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394774#394774 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:08 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: PC925L & PC680 mounting Nice! Robin Sent from the new iPad On Feb 21, 2013, at 7:13 PM, "bill.peyton" wrote: > > Here is our set up. The PC925 fits perfect in the existing Vans designed tray. > > -------- > Bill > WA0SYV > Aviation Partners, LLC > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394768#394768 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1978_561.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:27 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: PC925L & PC680 mounting From: "bill.peyton" The 925L polarity is correct for the installation. Sorry, I don't have any other photos of the tray. :( -------- Bill WA0SYV Aviation Partners, LLC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394777#394777 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:32 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV10-List: Grab handles Hey Patrick, Try http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100631483/h_d2/ProductDisplay?cat alogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=BP27021-G&storeId=10051&superSkuId 2784539 for the actual Home Depot online item. I=99ll attach their picture to see if it goes through. Later, =93 Lew From: Patrick Pulis Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Grab handles Any pictures please Lew? Warm regards Patrick ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:35 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: PC925L & PC680 mounting From: "rv10flyer" Mine is set up almost like Bill's. I made my own 680 holder. It is supported off of the factory battery mount. The bottom of holder is bonded to bottom skin with proseal. If I had it to do over, I would have installed the 680 on the firewall since 95% of my flights are with family and baggage. It limits my baggage to 99 lbs with existing rear seat passenger weights. I like the 30-45 minutes of panel power and aux starting capabilities. No ext power connector needed. -------- Wayne G. 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