---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/23/13: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:15 AM - Re: RV-10 down (johngoodman) 2. 08:28 AM - Re: RV-10 down (Ron B.) 3. 09:48 AM - Re: RV-10 down (RPierce) 4. 11:11 AM - Re: Re: RV-10 down (Pascal) 5. 11:22 AM - Re: Re: RV-10 down () 6. 02:09 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 down (William Curtis) 7. 04:57 PM - Re: RV-10 down (Ron B.) 8. 06:02 PM - Re: Baffling tips (woxofswa) 9. 08:22 PM - Re: RV-10 down (rv10flyer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:33 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 down From: "johngoodman" Came across this on Associated Press this morning: LAKE PLACID, N.Y. -- An experimental aircraft crashed into a wooded area just outside the village of Lake Placid, leaving three men to spend more than 10 hours in frigid conditions before they could be rescued early Friday. The men, all in their 50s and all from Westfield, were checked out by an ambulance crew but declined additional medical treatment when state forest rangers brought them out of the woods on snowmobiles around 4 a.m. Friday, according to the Department of Environmental Conservation. Agency spokesman David Winchell said state police contacted a department dispatcher around 6:30 p.m. Thursday seeking forest rangers to head to the scene of a plane crash in a wooded area near the Lake Placid Airport, just south of the village. The men on board the Vans RV-10 experimental aircraft had used a cellphone to call Essex County emergency dispatchers and provide coordinates of the crash site, Winchell said. Related Content MORE: Follow us @EyewitnessNYC MORE: Contact the WABC-TV New Jersey Bureau A state police helicopter dispatched from nearby Lake Clear Airport was unable to reach the crash site because of weather conditions and darkness. The men's information placed the crash site at Nye Mountain, near the airport. But by the time two rangers hiked to the location at 11 p.m., officials had determined they were in the wrong spot because the men's coordinates had been provided in a format not typically used by environmental department search teams, Winchell said. Plotting the coordinates in another format placed the actual crash site about a mile from Whiteface Inn Road, about 2 miles northwest of the village. Rangers reached the site around 2 a.m., Winchell said. The men had used extra clothing and a tarp to stay warm in temperatures that dipped into the single digits, he said. Officials identified the men as Michael Oster, 54; Jeff O'Connor, 58; and Frank Dombroski, 51, all of Westfield in Union County, N.J., just west of New York City. The men were believed to be staying in the Lake Placid area, but officials didn't know where, Winchell said. Attempts by The Associated Press to contact the men were unsuccessful. The Federal Aviation Administration said the plane departed from Somerset Airport in Bedminster, N.J, and was headed to Lake Placid Airport when it crashed. The FAA is investigating what caused the crash. -------- #40572 Phase One complete and flying. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394862#394862 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:33 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 down From: "Ron B." The pilot posted on VAF, on some of his experiences during this accident. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394866#394866 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:30 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 down From: "RPierce" http://kathrynaviationnews.com/?p=130333 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394870#394870 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 down From: Pascal Not under rv10 Please send link Thanks On Feb 23, 2013, at 8:27 AM, "Ron B." wrote: > > The pilot posted on VAF, on some of his experiences during this accident. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394866#394866 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:24 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 down Lat and Long given to the 911 operator 4 times was 100% accurate. They failed on the communication to the SAR team. I can't say enough for the fortitude of the SAR team that hiked in to help us. We are very upset with the cover up of the errors in the dispatch system. We will foia the 911 calls to clarify the truth. We spent 10 hours in single digit temperatures, which was worse than the plane crash. While we greatly appreciate the efforts of everyone that helped us, we do not appreciate their misrepresentation of the facts. My RV-10 took a beating, yet the cabin protected us incredibly well. I am not in a position to post the details of the crash, as there were many factors yet to reconcile. The plane performed flawlessly and was not a factor in this accident. Best, Frank __________________ Frank Dombroski, NJ KSMQ RV-10 N10FD -----Original Message----- From: Pascal Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 2:05 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 down Not under rv10 Please send link Thanks On Feb 23, 2013, at 8:27 AM, "Ron B." wrote: > > The pilot posted on VAF, on some of his experiences during this accident. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394866#394866 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:09:59 PM PST US From: William Curtis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 down I flew from Boston area to NJ around that same time and while MY entire flight was in clear air, icing and the approaching Wx was at the top of my concern. Forecast showed much of the Wx concern was north of my flightpath from OWD to 47N. The altitude deviations lead me to speculate --and I stress speculate-- that this was icing related. Glad there were no fatalities. On a related note, traveling to far flung cities the past two years has brought my RV-10 construction to a crawl as I can work on it only when I'm back home on the weekends. At least now at my latest destination, I can commute with my own aircraft. Any builders in the Boston south shore area (Braintree, Quincy, Norwood, etc) that would like some help with their construction Mon-Thurs evenings? William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ 40237 On Feb 23, 2013, at 14:22, wrote: > > Lat and Long given to the 911 operator 4 times was 100% accurate. They failed on the communication to the SAR team. I can't say enough for the fortitude of the SAR team that hiked in to help us. > > We are very upset with the cover up of the errors in the dispatch system. We will foia the 911 calls to clarify the truth. We spent 10 hours in single digit temperatures, which was worse than the plane crash. While we greatly appreciate the efforts of everyone that helped us, we do not appreciate their misrepresentation of the facts. > > My RV-10 took a beating, yet the cabin protected us incredibly well. I am not in a position to post the details of the crash, as there were many factors yet to reconcile. The plane performed flawlessly and was not a factor in this accident. > > Best, > Frank > > __________________ > Frank Dombroski, NJ KSMQ > RV-10 N10FD > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Pascal > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 2:05 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 down > > > Not under rv10 > Please send link > Thanks > > > > On Feb 23, 2013, at 8:27 AM, "Ron B." wrote: > >> >> The pilot posted on VAF, on some of his experiences during this accident. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394866#394866 > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:59 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 down From: "Ron B." It's under, " RV general discussion/news" Ron Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394895#394895 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:38 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Baffling tips From: "woxofswa" jfrjr, You were right and I was wrong. My squeezer had sat for a bit and wasn't properly primed. Once I dialed it in, it pulled those rivets with no trouble. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. Finishing kit and FWF kit in progress. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394900#394900 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:09 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 down From: "rv10flyer" Here was the wx around that time. Sunset was about 1 hr prior. Wx 12.7 nm NW of LKP: KSLK 212251Z AUTO 20003KT 5SM BR OVC014 M12/M14 A3012 RMK AO2 SNB04E18 SLP241 P0000 T11221139 TSNO Wx 31.4 nm NE of LKP: KPBG 212253Z AUTO 10003KT 8SM -SN BKN035 OVC044 M07/M09 A3020 RMK AO2 SLP233 P0000 T10721094 Night, weather and big hills. AFS SV in the panel. Thankful for a dense Birch and Spruce forest to absorb some energy. Glad they are skiing this weekend. -------- Wayne G. 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