---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/13/13: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:28 AM - Re: seat back handle improvement? (Michael Kraus) 2. 05:32 AM - Re: GPS Shelf FWF (Michael Kraus) 3. 07:06 AM - Re: cabin top trimming data point (Rick Lark) 4. 07:10 AM - Re: seat back handle improvement? (JimVillani) 5. 07:28 AM - Re: seat back handle improvement? (Robin Marks) 6. 07:35 AM - Re: seat back handle improvement? (JimVillani) 7. 07:56 AM - Re: GPS Shelf FWF (Linn) 8. 08:12 AM - Re: seat back handle improvement? (Michael Sausen) 9. 08:24 AM - Seat adjusters (Dave Saylor) 10. 08:28 AM - Re: seat back handle improvement? (Dave Saylor) 11. 09:19 AM - Re: Seat adjusters (dmaib@me.com) 12. 09:25 AM - Re: seat back handle improvement? (dmaib@me.com) 13. 09:36 AM - Re: Re: Seat adjusters (Dave Saylor) 14. 09:44 AM - Re: GPS Shelf FWF (Matt Dralle) 15. 10:03 AM - Re: cabin top trimming data point (Tim Farrell) 16. 10:23 AM - Re: cabin top trimming data point (Linn) 17. 10:38 AM - Re: cabin top trimming data point (Jeff Nichols) 18. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: GPS Shelf FWF (William Greenley) 19. 11:44 AM - Re: seat back handle improvement? (Rob Kochman) 20. 12:01 PM - Re: seat back handle improvement? (David Maib) 21. 12:12 PM - Re: Re: GPS Shelf FWF (Michael Kraus) 22. 05:58 PM - Re: Re: GPS Shelf FWF (Dick & Vicki Sipp) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: seat back handle improvement? From: Michael Kraus Mine are on the inside of the seats (vs between the seat and the door). It is a little inconvenient reaching over the seat at times, but I liked it better than trying to get at it between the door and the seat. It is very easy for the rear seat pax to reach... I like the idea of pointing them backwards on the onboard side, never thought of that! -Mike Kraus RV-4 sold :-( RV-10 flying :-) KitFox SS7 Radial building :-) On Mar 12, 2013, at 10:25 PM, Dave Saylor wrote: > > Mine are positioned to stick back into the footwell, on the outboard > sides. They're pretty easy to get to from just about everywhere. > Dave Saylor > 831-750-0284 CL > > > On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Rob Kochman wrote: >> Anyone know of a better solution for the seat back handle? I'm concerned >> that the handle may be hard to reach quickly in an emergency, which could >> slow down egress from the rear seats. Thanks... >> >> -Rob >> >> -- >> Rob Kochman >> RV-10 Flying since March 2011 >> Woodinville, WA >> http://kochman.net/N819K > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: GPS Shelf FWF From: Michael Kraus ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: cabin top trimming data point From: Rick Lark William, I don't have any idea what grit it is. I attached a photo which should help. I would say that the grit could have been more coarse which would have made it cut even faster. The blade is pretty beat up now. I was in a machine shop/tool place yesterday and they had similar blades, so they must be available. Certainlt a tile installtion place would know where to get them. Good luck, Rick On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:44 AM, William Greenley wrote: > What grit of carbide blade did you find worked best for you? > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Rick Lark wrote: > >> Guys, I started trimming the cabin top today and made 2 discoveries. 1) >> as others have found normal jig saw blades dull incredibly quickly. 2) I >> also tried a carbide jig saw blade I purchased years ago to cut ceramic >> tile. This blade was mounted in my Makita jig saw and worked great. I >> completed all the rough trimming in probably a 1/2 hour, and with little >> dust compared to a rotary tool. >> >> Unfortunately I have no idea where I purchased this blade now but if you >> can find one, give it a try. >> >> Rick >> #40956 >> Southampton, Ont >> >> * >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:11 AM PST US From: "JimVillani" Subject: RE: RV10-List: seat back handle improvement? Robin, Where did you get your seat handles from? Jim N10KQ 81.5 hrs From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:24 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: seat back handle improvement? Rob, Not sure you are speaking of this handle but the photo attached is of my front seat position adjustment handles prior to install. I have always had them and thought they were a huge improvement over the stock design. I am not sure how beneficial they would be for a rear passenger to access for emergency egress. If you were to design a set yourself you could place a rear facing handle extension that one pushes down? The first generation handle extensions were made of thin walled square tubing. Thicker tubing improved the longevity substantially. Good luck, Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:44 PM Subject: RV10-List: seat back handle improvement? Anyone know of a better solution for the seat back handle? I'm concerned that the handle may be hard to reach quickly in an emergency, which could slow down egress from the rear seats. Thanks... -Rob -- Rob Kochman RV-10 Flying since March 2011 Woodinville, WA http://kochman.net/N819K ============= V10-List Email Forum - > :p> /o:p> tor?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ============= bsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - :p> tp://forums.matronics.com ============= bsp; - List Contribution Web Site - e> bsp; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. bution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ============= _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com r> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:01 AM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: seat back handle improvement? Jim, So sorry I don't recall. Anyone else know on the list? Regardless the first set didn't last due to thin wall design. We remade the m ourselves with better material for near nothing. I suggest you do the sam e. It should take very little time to duplicate the units pictured in the p rior email. I really like this simple mod and it is used twice on every fli ght. I recall the stock Vans design is a bit of a knuckle scraper. Good luck, Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of JimVillani Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 7:09 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: seat back handle improvement? Robin, Where did you get your seat handles from? Jim N10KQ 81.5 hrs From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob in Marks Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:24 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: seat back handle improvement? Rob, Not sure you are speaking of this handle but the photo attached is of my fr ont seat position adjustment handles prior to install. I have always had th em and thought they were a huge improvement over the stock design. I am not sure how beneficial they would be for a rear passenger to access for emerg ency egress. If you were to design a set yourself you could place a rear fa cing handle extension that one pushes down? The first generation handle extensions were made of thin walled square tubi ng. Thicker tubing improved the longevity substantially. Good luck, Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:44 PM Subject: RV10-List: seat back handle improvement? Anyone know of a better solution for the seat back handle? I'm concerned t hat the handle may be hard to reach quickly in an emergency, which could sl ow down egress from the rear seats. Thanks... -Rob -- Rob Kochman RV-10 Flying since March 2011 Woodinville, WA http://kochman.net/N819K ============= V10-List Email Forum - > :p> /o:p> tor?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ============= bsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - :p> tp://forums.matronics.com ============= bsp; - List Contribution Web Site - e> bsp; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. bution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ============= ________________________________ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com r> ________________________________ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:35 AM PST US From: "JimVillani" Subject: RE: RV10-List: seat back handle improvement? Absolutely. From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 7:27 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: seat back handle improvement? Jim, So sorry I don't recall. Anyone else know on the list? Regardless the first set didn't last due to thin wall design. We remade them ourselves with better material for near nothing. I suggest you do the same. It should take very little time to duplicate the units pictured in the prior email. I really like this simple mod and it is used twice on every flight. I recall the stock Vans design is a bit of a knuckle scraper. Good luck, Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JimVillani Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 7:09 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: seat back handle improvement? Robin, Where did you get your seat handles from? Jim N10KQ 81.5 hrs From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:24 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: seat back handle improvement? Rob, Not sure you are speaking of this handle but the photo attached is of my front seat position adjustment handles prior to install. I have always had them and thought they were a huge improvement over the stock design. I am not sure how beneficial they would be for a rear passenger to access for emergency egress. If you were to design a set yourself you could place a rear facing handle extension that one pushes down? The first generation handle extensions were made of thin walled square tubing. Thicker tubing improved the longevity substantially. Good luck, Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:44 PM Subject: RV10-List: seat back handle improvement? Anyone know of a better solution for the seat back handle? I'm concerned that the handle may be hard to reach quickly in an emergency, which could slow down egress from the rear seats. Thanks... -Rob -- Rob Kochman RV-10 Flying since March 2011 Woodinville, WA http://kochman.net/N819K ============= V10-List Email Forum - > :p> /o:p> tor?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ============= bsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - :p> tp://forums.matronics.com ============= bsp; - List Contribution Web Site - e> bsp; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. bution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ============= _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com r> ============= V10-List Email Forum - > :p> /o:p> tor?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ============= bsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - :p> tp://forums.matronics.com ============= bsp; - List Contribution Web Site - e> bsp; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. bution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ============= _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com :p> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:20 AM PST US From: Linn Subject: Re: RV10-List: GPS Shelf FWF 32 years ago I built my Pitts S-1 ..... and it never stays on heading more than a few seconds .. :-D I was planning on fans ..... and promptly forgot them. Thanks for the reminder!!!! You also reminded me about those hardpoints on the wings ......... Linn On 3/13/2013 2:13 AM, Robin Marks wrote: > > Lynn, > > I recall the brace conversation. I as much as just about anyone didn't > want the brace there till I flew the 10. The brace is invaluable for > getting in and out, for stabilization during turbulence and for > routing wires from my overhead console. I'm embarrassed to say I love > the brace now. > > Might I suggest you consider installing flush defrost fans and use > those as your aiming device and move the small GPS pucks to the FWF? > Occasionally I can see the reflection of my black computer fan grills > on the windscreen. It looks kind of like a machine gun site. > > Another option is to press the Heading button on the AP and not worry > about the site. Over time you will be comfortable flying a plane you > built with your own hands w/o the need for a site line. > > Good luck with your choices. > > Robin > > *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Linn > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:17 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: GPS Shelf FWF > > Thanks Robin. I feel as you do .... wanted to not install the front > cabin top brace for the same reason. I learned from others that they > use it a lot .... so in it goes. > One problem I have flying my traumahawk ..... there's nothing to use > to 'aim' the airplane to keep it on track. I have two small pucks for > GPS antennas .... and was thinking of mounting them on the glareshield > as a 'sight'. > Again, thanks for the reply. > Linn .... still learning > > On 3/12/2013 11:32 PM, Robin Marks wrote: > > Lynn, > > I dislike anything on the glare shield. I won't even fly (build) > with a dash or pole mounted compass. RV's have such great > visibility why gunk it up with random odds & ends. Over time you > will add, remove antenna and I prefer to do that out of sight. > Just keeping it clean! > > Robin > > * * > * * > ==============V10-List Email Forum -> :p> /o:p> > tor?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List==============bsp; > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -:p> > tp://forums.matronics.com==============bsp; - List Contribution Web > Site -e> bsp; -Matt Dralle, List > Admin.bution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution============= > * * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > r> > > * > > > * > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:09 AM PST US From: Michael Sausen Subject: RE: RV10-List: seat back handle improvement? Greg Hale originally did the design and I believe Steve DiNeri is selling t hem. http://capsteve.wix.com/iflyrv10 Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of JimVillani Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:09 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: seat back handle improvement? Robin, Where did you get your seat handles from? Jim N10KQ 81.5 hrs From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob in Marks Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:24 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: seat back handle improvement? Rob, Not sure you are speaking of this handle but the photo attached is of my fr ont seat position adjustment handles prior to install. I have always had th em and thought they were a huge improvement over the stock design. I am not sure how beneficial they would be for a rear passenger to access for emerg ency egress. If you were to design a set yourself you could place a rear fa cing handle extension that one pushes down? The first generation handle extensions were made of thin walled square tubi ng. Thicker tubing improved the longevity substantially. Good luck, Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:44 PM Subject: RV10-List: seat back handle improvement? Anyone know of a better solution for the seat back handle? I'm concerned t hat the handle may be hard to reach quickly in an emergency, which could sl ow down egress from the rear seats. Thanks... -Rob -- Rob Kochman RV-10 Flying since March 2011 Woodinville, WA http://kochman.net/N819K ============= V10-List Email Forum - > :p> /o:p> tor?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ============= bsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - :p> tp://forums.matronics.com ============= bsp; - List Contribution Web Site - e> bsp; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. bution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ============= ________________________________ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com r> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:09 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Seat adjusters From: Dave Saylor They're not as slick as Robin's but these 2" extensions work a lot better th an the stock T handle position. They're pretty easy to make. If anybody wan ts some let me know and we'll make a batch. --Dave
________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:07 AM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: seat back handle improvement? Disregard my last offer--Steve sells the same thing. Dave Saylor 831-750-0284 CL On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Michael Sausen wrote: > Greg Hale originally did the design and I believe Steve DiNeri is selling > them. http://capsteve.wix.com/iflyrv10 > > > Michael > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JimVillani > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:09 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: seat back handle improvement? > > > Robin, > > Where did you get your seat handles from? > > Jim > > N10KQ > > 81.5 hrs > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:24 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: seat back handle improvement? > > > Rob, > > Not sure you are speaking of this handle but the photo attached is of my > front seat position adjustment handles prior to install. I have always had > them and thought they were a huge improvement over the stock design. I am > not sure how beneficial they would be for a rear passenger to access for > emergency egress. If you were to design a set yourself you could place a > rear facing handle extension that one pushes down? > > The first generation handle extensions were made of thin walled square > tubing. Thicker tubing improved the longevity substantially. > > > Good luck, > > Robin > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:44 PM > To: rv10-list > Subject: RV10-List: seat back handle improvement? > > > Anyone know of a better solution for the seat back handle? I'm concerned > that the handle may be hard to reach quickly in an emergency, which could > slow down egress from the rear seats. Thanks... > > > -Rob > > > -- > > Rob Kochman > RV-10 Flying since March 2011 > > Woodinville, WA > > http://kochman.net/N819K > > > ============= > > V10-List Email Forum - > >> > > :p> > > /o:p> > > tor?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > > ============= > > bsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > > :p> > > tp://forums.matronics.com > > ============= > > bsp; - List Contribution Web Site - > > e> bsp; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > bution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ============= > > > ________________________________ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > r> > > > ============== V10-List Email Forum - > :p> /o:p> > tor?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ============= > bsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - :p> tp://forums.matronics.com > ============== bsp; - List Contribution Web Site - e> bsp; > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. bution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ============= > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:29 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Seat adjusters From: "dmaib@me.com" I bought some just like those from Steve Dinieri at IflyRV10.com and they work fine. I originally had the ones that Greg Hale designed. They looked great and worked well, but the thin wall of the lever eventually gave out. I looked at Steve's version of the Greg Hale lever and they are really nice, but won't match the holes I drilled for the Greg Hale lever. So, I settled on the T handle extensions and am satisfied. -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Transition Trainer New Smyrna Beach, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396172#396172 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:37 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: seat back handle improvement? From: "dmaib@me.com" Steve Dinieri's seat adjustment levers shown here http://capsteve.wix.com/iflyrv10#!__seat-lever are a real improvement over the originals designed and built by Greg Hale. They are much more robust and the attachment to the seat mechanism is very simple. -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Transition Trainer New Smyrna Beach, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396173#396173 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:51 AM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Seat adjusters Yeah, I made mine but if I knew they were available I'd have just bought his extensions as well. Dave Saylor 831-750-0284 CL On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:18 AM, dmaib@me.com wrote: > > I bought some just like those from Steve Dinieri at IflyRV10.com and they work fine. I originally had the ones that Greg Hale designed. They looked great and worked well, but the thin wall of the lever eventually gave out. I looked at Steve's version of the Greg Hale lever and they are really nice, but won't match the holes I drilled for the Greg Hale lever. So, I settled on the T handle extensions and am satisfied. > > -------- > David Maib > RV-10 #40559 > Transition Trainer > New Smyrna Beach, FL > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396172#396172 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:20 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV10-List: Re: GPS Shelf FWF At 11:55 AM 3/12/2013 Tuesday, you wrote: >Someone on the RV-10 list shared a photo of their GPS shelf mounted FWF that had 4+ GPS antenna mounted. I recall the shelf was painted black and connected the firewall with the motor mount? Can the owner share the photo again with the group? I need something similar for my 8A and cannot locate the post. > >Thanks, >Robin Hi Robin, Here are some pictures of how I did the GPS antenna installations on my RV-8. Works great. Blast tubes keeps them cool. No unsightly pucks on the dash! Matt - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 140+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:07 AM PST US From: Tim Farrell Subject: Re: RV10-List: cabin top trimming data point At the RV-10 Composite course we just did, we brought out a whole pile of tools and settled on the following as being the best: Permagrit Composite cutoff wheel on a Die Grinder for trimming all but the thickest parts Angle Die Grinder with a 1.5 or 2" Drum sander took down the thick stuff very well, use it when you've trimmed off all the flange are are working on the actual frame. Maybe 80 grit? A nice long block with 30 or 40 grit was great for cleaning up after the sanding drum/wheel. And a tungsten or permagrit bit for making small radius' was essential. Other traditional cut-off wheels were too slow and a straight line air sander didn't have the power to be as fast as a hand block. Sanding discs weren't as fast as the drums We didn't have, but would like to have tried, the composite jig saw (although my experience with those in the past is that the composite cut-off wheels are almost as fast and cut better lines), or the composite tips for an oscillating tool. Here are pics of what worked: http://www.easycomposites.co.uk/Images/products/medium/permagrit-RD2.jpg http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51yWy%2BZk1vL._SL500_SS500_.jpg http://di1-4.shoppingshadow.com/images/pi/b4/5b/37/103251036-260x260-0-0_Dura+Block+Dura+Block+Long+Board+3+Piece+Durablock.jpg http://www.permagrit.com/images/rf5c.jpg Tim -- Tim Farrell - Aircrafters - Owner/Manager - (831) 722-9141 - www.aircraftersLLC.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:28 AM PST US From: Linn Subject: Re: RV10-List: cabin top trimming data point I turned most of the 'excess' into FG dust with a 4" angle grinder from Harbor freight. Used a fan to blow the dust out the shop door. Also used my air angle grinder with a 3" cutoff wheel ..... angled so I could 'swipe' at the edge for finer work. Dual action air sander with 6" pad worked great also. PVC pipe with stick on sandpaper makes a great tool for rounded corners ..... and comes in a lot of great sizes!! I've also used pill bottles, spice bottles etc. with stick on sandpaper. Dremel tool with carbide bits/cutoff wheels for tight spots. Linn On 3/13/2013 12:59 PM, Tim Farrell wrote: > > At the RV-10 Composite course we just did, we brought out a whole pile > of tools and settled on the following as being the best: > > Permagrit Composite cutoff wheel on a Die Grinder for trimming all but > the thickest parts > Angle Die Grinder with a 1.5 or 2" Drum sander took down the thick > stuff very well, use it when you've trimmed off all the flange are are > working on the actual frame. Maybe 80 grit? > A nice long block with 30 or 40 grit was great for cleaning up after > the sanding drum/wheel. > And a tungsten or permagrit bit for making small radius' was essential. > > Other traditional cut-off wheels were too slow and a straight line air > sander didn't have the power to be as fast as a hand block. Sanding > discs weren't as fast as the drums > > We didn't have, but would like to have tried, the composite jig saw > (although my experience with those in the past is that the composite > cut-off wheels are almost as fast and cut better lines), or the > composite tips for an oscillating tool. > > Here are pics of what worked: > > http://www.easycomposites.co.uk/Images/products/medium/permagrit-RD2.jpg > http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51yWy%2BZk1vL._SL500_SS500_.jpg > http://di1-4.shoppingshadow.com/images/pi/b4/5b/37/103251036-260x260-0-0_Dura+Block+Dura+Block+Long+Board+3+Piece+Durablock.jpg > > http://www.permagrit.com/images/rf5c.jpg > > > Tim > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: cabin top trimming data point From: Jeff Nichols I just purchased a carbide blade at a menards ( similar to lowes). It was manufactured by bosch and it said 30 grit, part number is U30RF1. It really did work well for initial trimming, thanks for the tip. Sent from my iPad On Mar 13, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Linn wrote: > > I turned most of the 'excess' into FG dust with a 4" angle grinder from Harbor freight. Used a fan to blow the dust out the shop door. > Also used my air angle grinder with a 3" cutoff wheel ..... angled so I could 'swipe' at the edge for finer work. > Dual action air sander with 6" pad worked great also. > PVC pipe with stick on sandpaper makes a great tool for rounded corners ..... and comes in a lot of great sizes!! > I've also used pill bottles, spice bottles etc. with stick on sandpaper. > Dremel tool with carbide bits/cutoff wheels for tight spots. > Linn > > On 3/13/2013 12:59 PM, Tim Farrell wrote: >> >> At the RV-10 Composite course we just did, we brought out a whole pile of tools and settled on the following as being the best: >> >> Permagrit Composite cutoff wheel on a Die Grinder for trimming all but the thickest parts >> Angle Die Grinder with a 1.5 or 2" Drum sander took down the thick stuff very well, use it when you've trimmed off all the flange are are working on the actual frame. Maybe 80 grit? >> A nice long block with 30 or 40 grit was great for cleaning up after the sanding drum/wheel. >> And a tungsten or permagrit bit for making small radius' was essential. >> >> Other traditional cut-off wheels were too slow and a straight line air sander didn't have the power to be as fast as a hand block. Sanding discs weren't as fast as the drums >> >> We didn't have, but would like to have tried, the composite jig saw (although my experience with those in the past is that the composite cut-off wheels are almost as fast and cut better lines), or the composite tips for an oscillating tool. >> >> Here are pics of what worked: >> >> http://www.easycomposites.co.uk/Images/products/medium/permagrit-RD2.jpg >> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51yWy%2BZk1vL._SL500_SS500_.jpg >> http://di1-4.shoppingshadow.com/images/pi/b4/5b/37/103251036-260x260-0-0_Dura+Block+Dura+Block+Long+Board+3+Piece+Durablock.jpg >> http://www.permagrit.com/images/rf5c.jpg >> >> >> Tim >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:59 AM PST US From: "William Greenley" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: GPS Shelf FWF Would there be any temperature concerns for the antennas being located in the engine compartment? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 12:43 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: GPS Shelf FWF At 11:55 AM 3/12/2013 Tuesday, you wrote: >Someone on the RV-10 list shared a photo of their GPS shelf mounted FWF that had 4+ GPS antenna mounted. I recall the shelf was painted black and connected the firewall with the motor mount? Can the owner share the photo again with the group? I need something similar for my 8A and cannot locate the post. > >Thanks, >Robin Hi Robin, Here are some pictures of how I did the GPS antenna installations on my RV-8. Works great. Blast tubes keeps them cool. No unsightly pucks on the dash! Matt - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 140+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: seat back handle improvement? From: Rob Kochman Anyone have an address for Steven (or whoever sells these seat adjustment levers)? The email address on the website bounced. I might get one for my right seat. thanks.. -Rob On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Rob Kochman wrote: > Robin, I'm talking about the other handle, though I was thinking about > replacing the other one. That said, I don't adjust it frequently. > Thanks... > > > On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Robin Marks wrote: > >> Rob,**** >> >> Not sure you are speaking of this handle but the photo attached is of my >> front seat position adjustment handles prior to install. I have always had >> them and thought they were a huge improvement over the stock design. I am >> not sure how beneficial they would be for a rear passenger to access for >> emergency egress. If you were to design a set yourself you could place a >> rear facing handle extension that one pushes down?**** >> >> The first generation handle extensions were made of thin walled square >> tubing. Thicker tubing improved the longevity substantially.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Good luck,**** >> >> Robin**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: >> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rob Kochman >> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:44 PM >> *To:* rv10-list >> *Subject:* RV10-List: seat back handle improvement?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Anyone know of a better solution for the seat back handle? I'm concerned >> that the handle may be hard to reach quickly in an emergency, which could >> slow down egress from the rear seats. Thanks...**** >> >> ** ** >> >> -Rob >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> -- **** >> >> Rob Kochman >> RV-10 Flying since March 2011**** >> >> Woodinville, WA**** >> >> http://kochman.net/N819K**** >> >> * * >> >> * * >> >> ==============**** V10-List Email Forum -**** > :p> /o:p> tor?RV10-List"> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List**** ==============****bsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> **** :p> tp://forums.matronics.com**** ==============**** bsp; - List >> Contribution Web Site -**** e> bsp; -Matt Dralle, List >> Admin.**** bution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution****============= >> **** >> >> * * >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> r> >> > > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 Flying since March 2011 > Woodinville, WA > http://kochman.net/N819K > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 Flying since March 2011 Woodinville, WA http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:55 PM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV10-List: seat back handle improvement? There are two email addresses on the site. On is rvsteve and the other is sales. One of them always bounces, but the other does not. I have had the best luck calling Steve on the phone. He is sometimes hard to get hold of. David Maib 40559 Flying 635 hours On Mar 13, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Rob Kochman wrote: Anyone have an address for Steven (or whoever sells these seat adjustment levers)? The email address on the website bounced. I might get one for my right seat. thanks.. -Rob On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Rob Kochman wrote: Robin, I'm talking about the other handle, though I was thinking about replacing the other one. That said, I don't adjust it frequently. Thanks... On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Robin Marks wrote: Rob, Not sure you are speaking of this handle but the photo attached is of my front seat position adjustment handles prior to install. I have always had them and thought they were a huge improvement over the stock design. I am not sure how beneficial they would be for a rear passenger to access for emergency egress. If you were to design a set yourself you could place a rear facing handle extension that one pushes down? The first generation handle extensions were made of thin walled square tubing. Thicker tubing improved the longevity substantially. Good luck, Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:44 PM Subject: RV10-List: seat back handle improvement? Anyone know of a better solution for the seat back handle? I'm concerned that the handle may be hard to reach quickly in an emergency, which could slow down egress from the rear seats. Thanks... -Rob -- Rob Kochman RV-10 Flying since March 2011 Woodinville, WA http://kochman.net/N819K ============== V10-List Email Forum - > :p> /o:p> tor?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ============== bsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - :p> tp://forums.matronics.com ============ == bsp; - List Contribution Web Site - e> bsp; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. bution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ============= No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com r> -- Rob Kochman RV-10 Flying since March 2011 Woodinville, WA http://kochman.net/N819K -- Rob Kochman RV-10 Flying since March 2011 Woodinville, WA http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: GPS Shelf FWF From: Michael Kraus have 110 hours on mine and had the same set up in my RV-4 for 350 hours with no issues. Not saying it won't be a problem, but no issues for me so far. YMMV -Mike Kraus RV-4 sold :-( RV-10 flying :-) KitFox SS7 Radial building :-) On Mar 13, 2013, at 1:51 PM, "William Greenley" wrote: > > Would there be any temperature concerns for the antennas being located in > the engine compartment? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 12:43 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com; rv8-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: GPS Shelf FWF > > At 11:55 AM 3/12/2013 Tuesday, you wrote: >> Someone on the RV-10 list shared a photo of their GPS shelf mounted FWF > that had 4+ GPS antenna mounted. I recall the shelf was painted black and > connected the firewall with the motor mount? Can the owner share the photo > again with the group? I need something similar for my 8A and cannot locate > the post. >> >> Thanks, >> Robin > > Hi Robin, > > Here are some pictures of how I did the GPS antenna installations on my > RV-8. Works great. Blast tubes keeps them cool. No unsightly pucks on the > dash! > > Matt > > > - > Matt Dralle > > RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log > http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log > http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel > Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... > > RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" > http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log > Status: 140+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer > Mode > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:46 PM PST US From: "Dick & Vicki Sipp" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: GPS Shelf FWF 750 hours in RV4 470 so far in a 10 so far so good. Dick Sipp -----Original Message----- From: Michael Kraus Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:11 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: GPS Shelf FWF have 110 hours on mine and had the same set up in my RV-4 for 350 hours with no issues. Not saying it won't be a problem, but no issues for me so far. YMMV -Mike Kraus RV-4 sold :-( RV-10 flying :-) KitFox SS7 Radial building :-) On Mar 13, 2013, at 1:51 PM, "William Greenley" wrote: > > Would there be any temperature concerns for the antennas being located in > the engine compartment? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 12:43 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com; rv8-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: GPS Shelf FWF > > At 11:55 AM 3/12/2013 Tuesday, you wrote: >> Someone on the RV-10 list shared a photo of their GPS shelf mounted FWF > that had 4+ GPS antenna mounted. I recall the shelf was painted black and > connected the firewall with the motor mount? Can the owner share the photo > again with the group? I need something similar for my 8A and cannot locate > the post. >> >> Thanks, >> Robin > > Hi Robin, > > Here are some pictures of how I did the GPS antenna installations on my > RV-8. Works great. Blast tubes keeps them cool. No unsightly pucks on > the > dash! > > Matt > > > - > Matt Dralle > > RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log > http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log > http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel > Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... > > RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" > http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log > Status: 140+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer > Mode > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.