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1. 05:32 AM - aircraft painting (DLM)
2. 07:34 AM - Re: aircraft painting (Bob Leffler)
3. 07:44 AM - Re: Square footage for painting (Dan Masys)
4. 09:19 AM - Re: Re: Square footage for painting (Sean Stephens)
5. 06:10 PM - Routing Fuel Line To Spider (Sean Stephens)
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| Subject: | aircraft painting |
Just a data point. My aircraft was the first painted by Crider in Mena; cost
including ferry the aircraft in and Mena pickup, took 10 days and about
$6000; that was $4500 for painting and $1500 for my expenses; Paint (Azko
Nobel) was a base Jetglo Matterhorn white and trim in Cranberry craze
Acryglo. That was July 2008; just received another quart of white and
hardener at no charge to repaint leg fairings and wheel pants while
installing new mains from Matco.
N46007 670TT
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| Subject: | Re: aircraft painting |
That was a good deal! Looks like paint went up these past five years.
Specific costs from my paint job
JetGlo Matterhorn White was $145/gal and the hardener was $163/gal.
I use the following ArcyGlo colors
Phantom Gray metallic was$145/gal
Seminole Red Metallic was$126/qt
Silver Metallic was $126/qt
Hardener was$54/qt
Stabilizer was $37/pint
Clear coat was$103/gal
Primer was $157/gal
PrimerAdduct was $96/gal
I priced several PPG products which cost about the same locally.
Like I mentioned previously, I spent about $3,700 just for the paint. It wa
s clearly sticker shock to me. I hadn't realized that paint was so expensiv
e until I started getting quotes.
Bob
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 19, 2013, at 8:31 AM, "DLM" <dlm34077@cox.net> wrote:
Just a data point. My aircraft was the first painted by Crider in Mena; cost
including ferry the aircraft in and Mena pickup, took 10 days and about $60
00; that was $4500 for painting and $1500 for my expenses; Paint (Azko Nobel
) was a base Jetglo Matterhorn white and trim in Cranberry craze Acryglo. Th
at was July 2008; just received another quart of white and hardener at no ch
arge to repaint leg fairings and wheel pants while installing new mains from
Matco.
N46007 670TT
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| Subject: | Re: Square footage for painting |
I used a high end auto shop to do the painting on my RV-12, which is much
more amenable to auto shop work with its removable wings, and all of the
components will fit in a car-sized paint booth. The shop owner was a Rans
builder and he had his employees do his airplane first. The result on my
-12 looked great at first but I discovered later they did not alodine
aluminum as agreed upon since they weren't familiar with alodine and didn't
think it necessary, some alclad areas were not sufficiently scuffed to get
good adhesion and the paint started lifting off some components like the
canopy skirts after about a year (again because they weren't accustomed to
vehicles built with metals having a coat of pure aluminum). And in trying
to make a thick automotive wet look on all those pop rivets they generally
put too much paint on the plane, and had rivet-associated runs. The cost
was over $10K. But it was very cool to be able to send the wings over
locally to get painted while I was still working on the fuselage, etc.
If I had it to do again I would use the same pro aircraft shop that painted
my RV-10, which was AOG painting in Mena, Arkansas (http://www.aogpaint.com/
). They did a great job with JetGlo on a complex curvy RV-10 design (see
http://faculty.washington.edu/dmasys/N104LDinflight.jpg ) at an amazingly
low price.
So I learned there are some 'cultural' issues when having auto paint shops
work on airplanes, even very good shops such as this one was/is. Caveat
emptor...
-Dan Masys
RV-10 N104LD
RV-12 N122LD
>Time: 06:00:51 PM PST US
>Subject: RV10-List: Re: Square footage for painting
>From: "woxofswa" <woxof@aol.com>
>Thanks for the input. What I was actually doing was querying a couple of
auto
>shops near the airport to paint the pieces for me to final assemble. They
were
>asking for approximate square footage since RV10 meant nothing to them, but
>a couple of them have done aircraft projects before.
>In the end, I decided against the auto shop idea. I still might self paint
for
>the challenge, but for the time it would take me I can easily pick up extra
trips
>at work and be money and time ahead.
>--------
>Myron Nelson
>Mesa, AZ
>Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. Finishing
kit and
>FWF kit in progress.
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| Subject: | Re: Square footage for painting |
Just looking into this also as I'm 90% done and 90% to go. :)
One thing I was curious about is does the builder normally do the
control surface removal and re-assembly at the paint shop? I think I
would want to just to have piece of mind that it was put back together
per plans.
-Sean #40303 (fwf)
On 3/19/13 9:42 AM, Dan Masys wrote:
>
> I used a high end auto shop to do the painting on my RV-12, which is much
> more amenable to auto shop work with its removable wings, and all of the
> components will fit in a car-sized paint booth. The shop owner was a Rans
> builder and he had his employees do his airplane first. The result on my
> -12 looked great at first but I discovered later they did not alodine
> aluminum as agreed upon since they weren't familiar with alodine and didn't
> think it necessary, some alclad areas were not sufficiently scuffed to get
> good adhesion and the paint started lifting off some components like the
> canopy skirts after about a year (again because they weren't accustomed to
> vehicles built with metals having a coat of pure aluminum). And in trying
> to make a thick automotive wet look on all those pop rivets they generally
> put too much paint on the plane, and had rivet-associated runs. The cost
> was over $10K. But it was very cool to be able to send the wings over
> locally to get painted while I was still working on the fuselage, etc.
>
> If I had it to do again I would use the same pro aircraft shop that painted
> my RV-10, which was AOG painting in Mena, Arkansas (http://www.aogpaint.com/
> ). They did a great job with JetGlo on a complex curvy RV-10 design (see
> http://faculty.washington.edu/dmasys/N104LDinflight.jpg ) at an amazingly
> low price.
>
> So I learned there are some 'cultural' issues when having auto paint shops
> work on airplanes, even very good shops such as this one was/is. Caveat
> emptor...
>
> -Dan Masys
> RV-10 N104LD
> RV-12 N122LD
>
>> Time: 06:00:51 PM PST US
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Square footage for painting
>> From: "woxofswa" <woxof@aol.com>
>
>> Thanks for the input. What I was actually doing was querying a couple of
> auto
>> shops near the airport to paint the pieces for me to final assemble. They
> were
>> asking for approximate square footage since RV10 meant nothing to them, but
>> a couple of them have done aircraft projects before.
>> In the end, I decided against the auto shop idea. I still might self paint
> for
>> the challenge, but for the time it would take me I can easily pick up extra
> trips
>> at work and be money and time ahead.
>> --------
>> Myron Nelson
>> Mesa, AZ
>> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. Finishing
> kit and
>> FWF kit in progress.
>
>
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| Subject: | Routing Fuel Line To Spider |
My engine came with the spider located between cylinders 3 and 5 with
the fuel line access coming up between those cylinders. Most of the
pics I have seen, the spider is situated so the line runs up between 1
and 3 which makes for easier routing.
Does anyone have the line routing up between 3 and 5 and have pics of
how they ran the line from the servo?
Thanks,
-Sean #40303 (fwf)
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