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1. 04:33 AM - Re: Disabling front cabin heat? (Greg McFarlane)
2. 06:28 AM - Re: Disabling front cabin heat? (johngoodman)
3. 09:05 AM - Re: Disabling front cabin heat? (Don McDonald)
4. 10:07 AM - Airport Tower Closures (Robin Marks)
5. 10:47 AM - Re: Airport Tower Closures (Don McDonald)
6. 12:29 PM - Re: Airport Tower Closures (Pascal)
7. 12:39 PM - Re: Main landing gear leg dimension (Sam Clark)
8. 12:46 PM - Re: Airport Tower Closures (Robin Marks)
9. 12:57 PM - Re: Airport Tower Closures (Robin Marks)
10. 01:44 PM - Re: Airport Tower Closures (Pascal)
11. 10:22 PM - Re: Seat adjusters (Dorfie)
12. 10:32 PM - Re: Re: Seat adjusters (Tim Farrell)
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| Subject: | Re: Disabling front cabin heat? |
One simple way of keeping both front and rear heat from blasting hot air on the
firewall, fuel pump etc when not needed is to install Aircraft Spruce Part #
08-07296 and dump the hot air down near the bottom. The down side is one or two
more push- pulls. Cheers Greg
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| Subject: | Re: Disabling front cabin heat? |
> It took me a while, but I finally understand!!! Which causes my addled brain
to ask ..... Did anyone insulate the firewall??? On the engine side or cabin side
..... and with what???
> Linn .... so many things to think about ....
Firewall heat is not an issue for me because of my LS1 Corvette engine, which is
water cooled. I use hoses from the water pump connected to a race car defroster/heater.
The two speed motor on the heater works fine. I also have a water
cutoff push/pull for heat control and/or leaks. But, that's not what you're asking....
Here is what I used on the engine side of the firewall:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/firewall2000.php?clickkey=97077
It's actually called a firewall ceramic blanket. I used a combination of rivets
and a caulk type adhesive that is recommended for the blanket. The stainless
steel side will cut you like nobody's business! It's holding up great.
I used the standard Soundex insulation on the cabin side of the firewall. I also used Abesco FP200 expanding foam in the floors, etc. Here is a link to it: http://fp200abesco.com/
Hope this helps,
John
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| Subject: | Re: Disabling front cabin heat? |
Sure you can remove the heat muff.... I did... And as far as I know.... =0A
no =0Aone has done this....- I have cold air induction, and one of the th
ings I=0A did to cool things down a bit was to run the rear cabin heat air
=0Astraight out of the back of #5 cyl over the top and into a fiberglass
=0A"Y" I made that has the 4" line from #6 and that 2" line from #5 going
=0Ainto the "Y", and into the oil cooler.- In the winter I put alum tape
=0Aover the outlet for the 2" line (at the back of the plenum for #5) and
=0Ause the butterfly valve on the 4" line to keep the oil temp exactly =0Aw
here I want it.
I also used a "Y" to split the heat from the remaining muff into both the f
ront and rear heat ducts.
Don McDonald
500+ hours, ad it gets better every day!
--- On Fri, 3/22/13, Linn <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
From: Linn <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Disabling front cabin heat?
=0A =0A=0A =0A =0A =0A It took me a while, but I finally=0A u
nderstand!!!- Which causes my addled brain to ask ..... Did=0A anyon
e insulate the firewall???- On the engine side or cabin side=0A ....
. and with what???
=0A Linn .... so many things to think about ....
=0A
=0A
=0A On 3/22/2013 4:46 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:
=0A =0A =0A Thanks, Gordon... the reason I want to disable it=0A
is that it dumps hot air directly onto the firewall, which makes=0A
the cabin warmer. -Anyone know if it's possible to remove the=0A
heat muff completely?=0A
=0A
=0A On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Gordon=0A Anderson <mr
egoan@hispeed.ch>=0A wrote:
=0A =0A Rob,=0A
=0A =0A I think your concern is valid. -The muf
f will=0A insulate the exhaust pipe and you may end up with
a high=0A temperature gradient between the section outside t
he=0A muff and inside it, possibly resulting in deformation
or=0A cracking after a while. -Since cracking would releas
e=0A exhaust into the cowl area, it could become a real=0A
concern. -Personally I would keep the cool air supply to=0A
the muff and dump the hot air coming out of it. Since=0A
that is what happens in the stock system when the heater=0A
flap valve is closed, I -don't follow why you want to=0A
disable it at all, rather than just not use it. -If I=0A
really wanted to disable it I would probably just=0A
disconnect the control cable and use Biotherm to seal=0A
the flap in the closed position.=0A
=0A =0A Gordon Anderson=0A
=0A =0A =0A =0A
On Mar 21, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Rob Kochman=0A
wrote:=0A
=0A =0A =0A =0A
=0A =0A Thanks, gu
ys... my concern is=0A that with no airflow into t
he muff, it's=0A acting as an insulator on the exh
aust pipe.=0A -Perhaps it's nothing to worry abo
ut, though.=0A =0A
=0A =0A -Rob=0A
=0A =0A =0A
=0A
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On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 5:32=0A AM, Jesse
Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>=0A wrote:
=0A =0A =0A
=0A =0A =0A
=0A Rob,=0A
=0A =0A Not a
ll exhaust pipes even have=0A heat muffs.
I can't imagine it getting=0A too hot ther
e and being ok with the=0A temperature alo
ng the rest of the=0A exhaust. I'd leave i
t off completely.=0A Instead, you might ho
ok it up as=0A normal and just cover over
the hole in=0A the baffles so you could ea
sily add it=0A if you want to.-
=0A
=0A Jesse Saint=0A
I-TEC, Inc.=0A jesse@itecusa.org
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www.mavericklsa.com=0A C: 35
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ent from my iPhone=0A =0A
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=0A On Mar 20, 2013, at 11:54 PM, Rob=0A
Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com>=0A
wrote:
=0A
=0A =0A =0A
=0A =0A
=0A =0A
=0A =0A
=0A Has anyone disabled the
front=0A cabin heat in their RV-10?
-I'm=0A finding that even on real
ly cold=0A days, I only need partial
rear=0A heat to keep things warm, a
nd I=0A never use the front heat, si
nce=0A I want to minimize heat behin
d=0A the panel. -In the warm summe
r=0A months, I don't want all that
=0A hot air blowing on the firewall.
=0A -I don't think I can just=0A
disconnect the air hose to the=0A
muff, since the exhaust pipe=0A
would probably get too hot. -=0A
-If nothing else, I figure I=0A
could disconnect the air hose=0A
between the muff and firewall at=0A
the firewall and just point it=0A
down toward the cowl exit. -Of=0A
course, I would have to seal the=0A
hole in the firewall. -=0A
=0A
=0A =0A
Anyone have any=0A sugg
estions? -Thanks...=0A
=0A =0A
=0A =0A
-Rob
=0A
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| Subject: | Airport Tower Closures |
I was reviewing the published list of 149 airport tower closure
s and was really surprised that I have landed 26 of the 149 on the list. I
was further surprised that one of my home airports Whiteman (WHP) is slated
for tower closure. Now I totally understand that if some towers MUST be cl
osed than choices need to be made and I further understand the NIMBY attitu
de of sure close some towers but not MY towers. That being said let me desc
ribe WHP to you and you can decide if this tower closure is a good idea.
WHP is a one runway airport that sits under the Los Angeles Cla
ss B veil for LAX. WHP is 4 miles from Burbank commercial airport and 4 mil
es from Van Nuys airport both very busy hubs if aviation. Furthermore WHP s
its near the Newhall pass which is a bit of a funnel for aircraft feeding i
nto and out the San Fernando Valley. Additionally WHP hosts 5 of LA's news
helicopters which park and hover taxi maybe 90 feet from the runway centerl
ine adjacent to the 30 run up area. Whitman is also home for the CDF (Calif
ornia Fire Department) heavy lift fire helicopters. Wikipedia says that Cal
Fire is "one of the largest non-military air programs in the country that
includes 11 UH01H Super Huey helicopters flying out of WHP. I know because
they park and take off right behind my WHP hangar. The launch/landing area
for CDF is "not visible" from the tower and requires extra tower control ca
re for transitioning in and out of this area. WHP also hosts a modest amoun
t of student training. Not a great deal of student training because costs h
ave driven away many who may be interested in learning to fly. Additionall
y there is a fair amount of police helicopter activity in the area because
WHP is near some major highways 5, 118, 405, 101, 134, 210. Police tent to
hover right at TPA for WHP.
So the typical WHP weekend scenario is the student pilot doing
T & G's while 3 737's are queued up to land Burbank as Golf streams are roc
keting out of VNY with police helicopters hovering over the nearby freeways
while the news choppers hover taxi back to their landing pad after their m
ornings work and small aircraft transition into and out of BUR or VNY. All
while CDF heavy lift choppers fly in and out of their compound directly und
er the Left Downwind but blind to what is happening on and around the activ
e runway. This is all occurring under LAX's Class B vial, under the VNY air
space and in a little carve out of the Burbank airspace (SFC/4800'). All th
is with mountain peaks covering 180 degrees and within 5 miles of WHP. I ha
ve heard the tower chew out oblivious pilots dozens and dozens of times for
clueless & illegal transitioning of the airspace. I literally fear what i
t will be like w/o any control. It is not unusual for me to see 15+ traffic
targets on my display.
Last week I flew into WHP VFR but reporting 3 miles and haze. N
ot that uncommon. I have flown into WHP well over 500 times and it was very
difficult for me to pick up the runway 3 miles out even though I am quite
familiar with the topography. I am fortunate to have beautiful large PFD/MF
D with traffic but I am painfully aware that most aircraft in the area do n
ot have nearly my experience and knowledge of the area or my selection of e
quipment.
This is just one story of 149. I hope it does not end up a horr
or story.
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Airport Tower Closures |
Robin, all that being said.... and said very well... thanks..... but isn't
the savior talking to SoCal approach.- Seems like when I fly into Fullert
on, SoCal is providing the best info.- But I guess with everything going
on at WHP, it probably should be one of the last to be considered for closu
re.- I try not to be in the air in the L.A. area on the weekends... you a
lmost always have 2-5 bogeys on the screen!- Last trip down there I lande
d at Aqua Dulce, but my cousin says WHP is closer... so next time it'll be
WHP... thanks for the heads up for what's going on there.
In the Sacramento are, I sure could see the savings of closing the towers a
t Chico, Mather and Sac Exec.... and here in Texas there are at least 5 tow
ered airports in the DFW area that certainly could be closed.- It seems t
he municipalities are convinced that if they have a tower it'll bring in bu
siness and jets, so they can sell more fuel.... but jets fly in and out of
Lincoln Ca. with no tower.- We flew into Janesville WI and were the only
plane talking to the tower, and also the only plane we saw for an hour eith
er taking off or landing.
--- On Sat, 3/23/13, Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:
From: Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Airport Tower Closures
om" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A----------- I was reviewing
the published list of 149 airport tower closures and was really surprised
that I have landed 26 of the 149 on the list. I was further surprised=0A th
at one of my home airports Whiteman (WHP) is slated for tower closure. Now
I totally understand that if some towers MUST be closed than choices need t
o be made and I further understand the NIMBY attitude of sure close some to
wers but not MY towers. That=0A being said let me describe WHP to you and y
ou can decide if this tower closure is a good idea. =0A------
----- WHP is a one runway airport that sits under the Los Angeles
Class B veil for LAX. WHP is 4 miles from Burbank commercial airport and 4
miles from Van Nuys airport=0A both very busy hubs if aviation. Furthermor
e WHP sits near the Newhall pass which is a bit of a funnel for aircraft fe
eding into and out the San Fernando Valley. Additionally WHP hosts 5 of LA'
s news helicopters which park and hover taxi maybe 90 feet from=0A the runw
ay centerline adjacent to the 30 run up area. Whitman is also home for the
CDF (California Fire Department) heavy lift fire helicopters. Wikipedia say
s that Cal Fire is "one of the largest non-military air programs in the cou
ntry that includes 11 UH01H=0A Super Huey helicopters flying out of WHP. I
know because they park and take off right behind my WHP hangar. The launch/
landing area for CDF is "not visible" from the tower and requires extra tow
er control care for transitioning in and out of this area. WHP=0A also host
s a modest amount of student training. Not a great deal of student training
because costs have driven away many who may be interested in learning to f
ly. -Additionally there is a fair amount of police helicopter activity in
the area because WHP is=0A near some major highways 5, 118, 405, 101, 134,
210. Police tent to hover right at TPA for WHP.=0A =0A------
----- So the typical WHP weekend scenario is the student pilot do
ing T & G's while 3 737's are queued up to land Burbank as Golf streams are
rocketing out of VNY with=0A police helicopters hovering over the nearby f
reeways while the news choppers hover taxi back to their landing pad after
their mornings work and small aircraft transition into and out of BUR or VN
Y. All while CDF heavy lift choppers fly in and out of their=0A compound di
rectly under the Left Downwind but blind to what is happening on and around
the active runway. This is all occurring under LAX's Class B vial, under t
he VNY airspace and in a little carve out of the Burbank airspace (SFC/4800
'). All this with mountain=0A peaks covering 180 degrees and within 5 miles
of WHP. I have heard the tower chew out oblivious pilots dozens and dozens
of times for clueless & -illegal transitioning of the airspace. I litera
lly fear what it will be like w/o any control. It is not unusual=0A for me
to see 15+ traffic targets on my display. =0A----------
- Last week I flew into WHP VFR but reporting 3 miles and haze. Not that
uncommon. I have flown into WHP well over 500 times and it was very difficu
lt for me to pick=0A up the runway 3 miles out even though I am quite famil
iar with the topography. I am fortunate to have beautiful large PFD/MFD wit
h traffic but I am painfully aware that most aircraft in the area do not ha
ve nearly my experience and knowledge of the area or=0A my selection of equ
ipment. =0A----------- This is just one story of 149.
I hope it does not end up a horror story.=0A =0A - =0ARobin =0A - =0A
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| Subject: | Re: Airport Tower Closures |
Robin
Fullerton, that has EMS, LA fire helos, flight schools and , a couple of cit
y police helos is also on the list. It is a busy airport under the B airspac
e as well.
Always busy and knowing its going to be a Corona on a larger scale is quite c
oncerning.
Airports under busy airspace like LA are going to suffer. Hopefully scal app
roach will be able to handle flight following because it is going to be need
ed.
On Mar 23, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:
> I was reviewing the published list of 149 airport tower closur
es and was really surprised that I have landed 26 of the 149 on the list. I w
as further surprised that one of my home airports Whiteman (WHP) is slated f
or tower closure. Now I totally understand that if some towers MUST be close
d than choices need to be made and I further understand the NIMBY attitude o
f sure close some towers but not MY towers. That being said let me describe W
HP to you and you can decide if this tower closure is a good idea.
> WHP is a one runway airport that sits under the Los Angeles Cl
ass B veil for LAX. WHP is 4 miles from Burbank commercial airport and 4 mil
es from Van Nuys airport both very busy hubs if aviation. Furthermore WHP si
ts near the Newhall pass which is a bit of a funnel for aircraft feeding int
o and out the San Fernando Valley. Additionally WHP hosts 5 of LA's news hel
icopters which park and hover taxi maybe 90 feet from the runway centerline a
djacent to the 30 run up area. Whitman is also home for the CDF (California
Fire Department) heavy lift fire helicopters. Wikipedia says that Cal Fire i
s "one of the largest non-military air programs in the country that includes
11 UH01H Super Huey helicopters flying out of WHP. I know because they park
and take off right behind my WHP hangar. The launch/landing area for CDF is
"not visible" from the tower and requires extra tower control care for tran
sitioning in and out of this area. WHP also hosts a modest amount of student
training. Not a great deal of student training because costs have driven aw
ay many who may be interested in learning to fly. Additionally there is a f
air amount of police helicopter activity in the area because WHP is near som
e major highways 5, 118, 405, 101, 134, 210. Police tent to hover right at T
PA for WHP.
> So the typical WHP weekend scenario is the student pilot doing
T & G's while 3 737's are queued up to land Burbank as Golf streams are roc
keting out of VNY with police helicopters hovering over the nearby freeways w
hile the news choppers hover taxi back to their landing pad after their morn
ings work and small aircraft transition into and out of BUR or VNY. All whil
e CDF heavy lift choppers fly in and out of their compound directly under th
e Left Downwind but blind to what is happening on and around the active runw
ay. This is all occurring under LAX's Class B vial, under the VNY airspace a
nd in a little carve out of the Burbank airspace (SFC/4800'). All this with m
ountain peaks covering 180 degrees and within 5 miles of WHP. I have heard t
he tower chew out oblivious pilots dozens and dozens of times for clueless &
illegal transitioning of the airspace. I literally fear what it will be li
ke w/o any control. It is not unusual for me to see 15+ traffic targets on m
y display.
> Last week I flew into WHP VFR but reporting 3 miles and haze. N
ot that uncommon. I have flown into WHP well over 500 times and it was very d
ifficult for me to pick up the runway 3 miles out even though I am quite fam
iliar with the topography. I am fortunate to have beautiful large PFD/MFD wi
th traffic but I am painfully aware that most aircraft in the area do not ha
ve nearly my experience and knowledge of the area or my selection of equipme
nt.
> This is just one story of 149. I hope it does not end up a hor
ror story.
>
> Robin
>
>
>
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Yes SoCal ATC is helpful for sure I usually have 4 hand off' s within 20 mi
les of WHP between Magoo, LA Center & SoCal but 8 miles out as one approac
hes WHP, VNY and BUR we are handed off to the tower freq. Anything under 30
00 MSL goes to the tower as SoCal either can't see you or does not have the
time to help or both. I use Flight Following basically 100% of the time in
and out of LA and sometimes SoCal can't take the handoff due to workload.
Add trying to get Flight Following with SoCal on climb out (vs. on the grou
nd with WHP Ground Control) will bogies everywhere further taxes the pilot
and an already thin system.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airport Tower Closures
Robin, all that being said.... and said very well... thanks..... but isn't
the savior talking to SoCal approach. Seems like when I fly into Fullerton
, SoCal is providing the best info. But I guess with everything going on a
t WHP, it probably should be one of the last to be considered for closure.
I try not to be in the air in the L.A. area on the weekends... you almost
always have 2-5 bogeys on the screen! Last trip down there I landed at Aqu
a Dulce, but my cousin says WHP is closer... so next time it'll be WHP... t
hanks for the heads up for what's going on there.
In the Sacramento are, I sure could see the savings of closing the towers a
t Chico, Mather and Sac Exec.... and here in Texas there are at least 5 tow
ered airports in the DFW area that certainly could be closed. It seems the
municipalities are convinced that if they have a tower it'll bring in busi
ness and jets, so they can sell more fuel.... but jets fly in and out of Li
ncoln Ca. with no tower. We flew into Janesville WI and were the only plan
e talking to the tower, and also the only plane we saw for an hour either t
aking off or landing.
--- On Sat, 3/23/13, Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com<mailto:robin@PaintT
heWeb.com>> wrote:
From: Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com<mailto:robin@PaintTheWeb.com>>
Subject: RV10-List: Airport Tower Closures
s.com<mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>>, "rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-
list@matronics.com>" <rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.co
m>>
I was reviewing the published list of 149 airport tower closure
s and was really surprised that I have landed 26 of the 149 on the list. I
was further surprised that one of my home airports Whiteman (WHP) is slated
for tower closure. Now I totally understand that if some towers MUST be cl
osed than choices need to be made and I further understand the NIMBY attitu
de of sure close some towers but not MY towers. That being said let me desc
ribe WHP to you and you can decide if this tower closure is a good idea.
WHP is a one runway airport that sits under the Los Angeles Cla
ss B veil for LAX. WHP is 4 miles from Burbank commercial airport and 4 mil
es from Van Nuys airport both very busy hubs if aviation. Furthermore WHP s
its near the Newhall pass which is a bit of a funnel for aircraft feeding i
nto and out the San Fernando Valley. Additionally WHP hosts 5 of LA's news
helicopters which park and hover taxi maybe 90 feet from the runway centerl
ine adjacent to the 30 run up area. Whitman is also home for the CDF (Calif
ornia Fire Department) heavy lift fire helicopters. Wikipedia says that Cal
Fire is "one of the largest non-military air programs in the country that
includes 11 UH01H Super Huey helicopters flying out of WHP. I know because
they park and take off right behind my WHP hangar. The launch/landing area
for CDF is "not visible" from the tower and requires extra tower control ca
re for transitioning in and out of this area. WHP also hosts a modest amoun
t of student training. Not a great deal of student training because costs h
ave driven away many who may be interested in learning to fly. Additionall
y there is a fair amount of police helicopter activity in the area because
WHP is near some major highways 5, 118, 405, 101, 134, 210. Police tent to
hover right at TPA for WHP.
So the typical WHP weekend scenario is the student pilot doing
T & G's while 3 737's are queued up to land Burbank as Golf streams are roc
keting out of VNY with police helicopters hovering over the nearby freeways
while the news choppers hover taxi back to their landing pad after their m
ornings work and small aircraft transition into and out of BUR or VNY. All
while CDF heavy lift choppers fly in and out of their compound directly und
er the Left Downwind but blind to what is happening on and around the activ
e runway. This is all occurring under LAX's Class B vial, under the VNY air
space and in a little carve out of the Burbank airspace (SFC/4800'). All th
is with mountain peaks covering 180 degrees and within 5 miles of WHP. I ha
ve heard the tower chew out oblivious pilots dozens and dozens of times for
clueless & illegal transitioning of the airspace. I literally fear what i
t will be like w/o any control. It is not unusual for me to see 15+ traffic
targets on my display.
Last week I flew into WHP VFR but reporting 3 miles and haze. N
ot that uncommon. I have flown into WHP well over 500 times and it was very
difficult for me to pick up the runway 3 miles out even though I am quite
familiar with the topography. I am fortunate to have beautiful large PFD/MF
D with traffic but I am painfully aware that most aircraft in the area do n
ot have nearly my experience and knowledge of the area or my selection of e
quipment.
This is just one story of 149. I hope it does not end up a horr
or story.
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Airport Tower Closures |
Right on!
On Mar 23, 2013, at 12:45 PM, Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:
> I recall the first time I flew into Fullerton. I was a sub-200 hour pilot o
n one of those hazy LA days with a Garmin 396 and I needed tower assistance l
ocating the airport directly in front of me. In the sea of asphalt that is t
he LA basin it was near impossible to pick out the airport from the dozens T
arget & Costco parking lots. Oh, and that tall antenna near Fullerton may ge
t some action too. Unlike some rural areas, a mid-air in LA will likely invo
lve people on the ground.
> I don=99t want to seem overly dramatic but plagiarizing the movie ti
tle "There will be blood".
>
> Robin
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:29 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com; SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airport Tower Closures
>
> Robin
> Fullerton, that has EMS, LA fire helos, flight schools and , a couple of c
ity police helos is also on the list. It is a busy airport under the B airsp
ace as well.
> Always busy and knowing its going to be a Corona on a larger scale is quit
e concerning.
> Airports under busy airspace like LA are going to suffer. Hopefully scal a
pproach will be able to handle flight following because it is going to be ne
eded.
>
>
> On Mar 23, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:
>
> I was reviewing the published list of 149 airport tower closur
es and was really surprised that I have landed 26 of the 149 on the list. I w
as further surprised that one of my home airports Whiteman (WHP) is slated f
or tower closure. Now I totally understand that if some towers MUST be close
d than choices need to be made and I further understand the NIMBY attitude o
f sure close some towers but not MY towers. That being said let me describe W
HP to you and you can decide if this tower closure is a good idea.
> WHP is a one runway airport that sits under the Los Angeles Cl
ass B veil for LAX. WHP is 4 miles from Burbank commercial airport and 4 mil
es from Van Nuys airport both very busy hubs if aviation. Furthermore WHP si
ts near the Newhall pass which is a bit of a funnel for aircraft feeding int
o and out the San Fernando Valley. Additionally WHP hosts 5 of LA's news hel
icopters which park and hover taxi maybe 90 feet from the runway centerline a
djacent to the 30 run up area. Whitman is also home for the CDF (California
Fire Department) heavy lift fire helicopters. Wikipedia says that Cal Fire i
s "one of the largest non-military air programs in the country that includes
11 UH01H Super Huey helicopters flying out of WHP. I know because they park
and take off right behind my WHP hangar. The launch/landing area for CDF is
"not visible" from the tower and requires extra tower control care for tran
sitioning in and out of this area. WHP also hosts a modest amount of student
training. Not a great deal of student training because costs have driven aw
ay many who may be interested in learning to fly. Additionally there is a f
air amount of police helicopter activity in the area because WHP is near som
e major highways 5, 118, 405, 101, 134, 210. Police tent to hover right at T
PA for WHP.
> So the typical WHP weekend scenario is the student pilot doing
T & G's while 3 737's are queued up to land Burbank as Golf streams are roc
keting out of VNY with police helicopters hovering over the nearby freeways w
hile the news choppers hover taxi back to their landing pad after their morn
ings work and small aircraft transition into and out of BUR or VNY. All whil
e CDF heavy lift choppers fly in and out of their compound directly under th
e Left Downwind but blind to what is happening on and around the active runw
ay. This is all occurring under LAX's Class B vial, under the VNY airspace a
nd in a little carve out of the Burbank airspace (SFC/4800'). All this with m
ountain peaks covering 180 degrees and within 5 miles of WHP. I have heard t
he tower chew out oblivious pilots dozens and dozens of times for clueless &
illegal transitioning of the airspace. I literally fear what it will be li
ke w/o any control. It is not unusual for me to see 15+ traffic targets on m
y display.
> Last week I flew into WHP VFR but reporting 3 miles and haze. N
ot that uncommon. I have flown into WHP well over 500 times and it was very d
ifficult for me to pick up the runway 3 miles out even though I am quite fam
iliar with the topography. I am fortunate to have beautiful large PFD/MFD wi
th traffic but I am painfully aware that most aircraft in the area do not ha
ve nearly my experience and knowledge of the area or my selection of equipme
nt.
> This is just one story of 149. I hope it does not end up a hor
ror story.
>
> Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Seat adjusters |
I am also interested in a set.
Johan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396891#396891
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| Subject: | Re: Seat adjusters |
We should have a bunch of sets available by the end of next week. I'll post on
this thread when they are ready. Thanks,
Tim
Aircrafters
831-722-9141
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On Mar 23, 2013, at 10:21 PM, "Dorfie" <jdorfling@msn.com> wrote:
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> Johan
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