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1. 07:11 AM - Re: Re: seat belts (Rick Lark)
2. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: EFIS failure checklist (Kelly McMullen)
3. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: seat belts (Carl Froehlich)
4. 08:06 AM - Re: Re: seat belts (Kelly McMullen)
5. 08:22 AM - Re: seat belts (Ron B.)
6. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: seat belts (Robin Marks)
7. 10:51 AM - rear seat foam (Linn)
8. 12:07 PM - Re: rear seat foam (Rick Lark)
9. 12:58 PM - Re: rear seat foam (Geoff Combs)
10. 01:24 PM - Re: rear seat foam (Pascal)
11. 01:45 PM - Re: rear seat foam (Pascal)
12. 01:54 PM - Re: rear seat foam (Linn)
13. 02:01 PM - Re: rear seat foam (Linn)
14. 02:10 PM - Re: rear seat foam (Bob Leffler)
15. 02:40 PM - Re: rear seat foam (Bob Turner)
16. 03:08 PM - Re: rear seat foam (Pascal)
17. 03:11 PM - Re: rear seat foam (Bob Leffler)
18. 04:11 PM - Re: rear seat foam (Rick Lark)
19. 05:46 PM - Re: rear seat foam (dmaib@me.com)
20. 09:39 PM - Re: EFIS failure checklist (Robin Marks)
21. 09:40 PM - Re: EFIS failure checklist (Robin Marks)
22. 11:05 PM - Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
23. 11:08 PM - Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Hmmm, yeah I will call then today. I was going to order a few things from
Vans to send to my sisters when we get to St Louis. Is there anything you
need?
While I'm thinking of it, did you buy the rear seat foam from Vans? The
front seats obviously have a frame, but I'm assuming the rear seats just
have the foam covered and then velcro in place?
Thx, Rick
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 11:04 PM, bill.peyton <peyton.b@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
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> Rick,
> TSOd belts come with a certification tag attached to the belt. The belts
> i received from Vans did not have any documentation. I would check with
> vans on the cert. documents if they exist.
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> Bill
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS failure checklist |
You could install just an inclinometer for a few bucks that would at least
tell you whether you were coordinated, whether in bank or not. Odds are
that in unintended bank you might also be uncoordinated.
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 10:54 PM, Dave Saylor <
dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've seen my AFS fail, on the ground. The AHRS blew something inside and
> it literally smoked. It put a big red X on the screen. I flew it home, 12
> miles, VMC, and the X remained the whole time. Very obvious.
>
> I've also seen my D10A fail, indicating about a 10* bank but otherwise
> normal. No outward signs telling me it failed, just a clearly false
> indication. If it isn't spooled up it sometimes reverts to a grey-on-grey
> screen to indicate that all is not well, instead of the normal blue/brown
> screen. But it didn't do that when it indicated the false bank.
>
> So, no real answer to that question--best case, some do and some don't.
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I purchased my belts from Hooker Harness. They worked well in the 8A so I d
ecided to go with them again.
Carl
On Apr 1, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Rick Lark <larkrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmmm, yeah I will call then today. I was going to order a few things from
Vans to send to my sisters when we get to St Louis. Is there anything you n
eed?
>
> While I'm thinking of it, did you buy the rear seat foam from Vans? The f
ront seats obviously have a frame, but I'm assuming the rear seats just have
the foam covered and then velcro in place?
>
> Thx, Rick
>
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> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 11:04 PM, bill.peyton <peyton.b@sbcglobal.net> wro
te:
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>> Rick,
>> TSOd belts come with a certification tag attached to the belt. The belts
i received from Vans did not have any documentation. I would check with va
ns on the cert. documents if they exist.
>>
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>> Bill
>> WA0SYV
>> Aviation Partners, LLC
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I just saw an RV8 yesterday, being prepped for DAR inspection. Problem
#1, seat belt hardware in stock rear seat location interfered with flap
operation. Problem #2, front seat belt anchors were too close together
in stock plans location for anyone over 125 lbs and 28 in waist.
Something to ponder long before nearing completion. Fabrication of new
anchors or offsets in last few days causes stress in more ways than one.
On 4/1/2013 7:56 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
> I purchased my belts from Hooker Harness. They worked well in the 8A
> so I decided to go with them again.
>
> Carl
>
> On Apr 1, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Rick Lark <larkrv10@gmail.com
> <mailto:larkrv10@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Hmmm, yeah I will call then today. I was going to order a few things
>> from Vans to send to my sisters when we get to St Louis. Is there
>> anything you need?
>>
>> While I'm thinking of it, did you buy the rear seat foam from Vans?
>> The front seats obviously have a frame, but I'm assuming the rear
>> seats just have the foam covered and then velcro in place?
>>
>> Thx, Rick
>>
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>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 11:04 PM, bill.peyton <peyton.b@sbcglobal.net
>> <mailto:peyton.b@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
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>> <peyton.b@sbcglobal.net <mailto:peyton.b@sbcglobal.net>>
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>> Rick,
>> TSOd belts come with a certification tag attached to the belt.
>> The belts i received from Vans did not have any documentation.
>> I would check with vans on the cert. documents if they exist.
>>
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>> Bill
>> WA0SYV
>> Aviation Partners, LLC
>>
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397490#397490
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I do not remember that being a requirement or even being discussed. I think we
have Hooker harnesses in ours, but I don't know if they are TSO'd.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397530#397530
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I have a dilemma ..... Van's RV-10 rear seat foam is 1/2 the cost of
those from Oregon Aero.
I would like opinions on whether the extra cost is worth the comfort.
I'd also like to sit in both the Oregon Aero seats and Vans so if you're
bringing your RV-10 with Oregon Aero seats to Sun-n-Fun I'd like to see
what they're like.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: rear seat foam |
Linn, one way of looking at you dilemma is.....how often will you sit in
the back seat? ;-)
Rick
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Linn <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> I have a dilemma ..... Van's RV-10 rear seat foam is 1/2 the cost of
> those from Oregon Aero.
> I would like opinions on whether the extra cost is worth the comfort.
>
> I'd also like to sit in both the Oregon Aero seats and Vans so if you're
> bringing your RV-10 with Oregon Aero seats to Sun-n-Fun I'd like to see
> what they're like.
>
> Linn
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Linn
I have the rear seat foams available like the ones Vans sells for $200.00
Here is a photo of recent seats I did. These have memory foam
in bottom cushions and high quality bolster foam
Geoff
Geoff Combs
Aerosport Products
8090 howe industrial pkwy
canal winchester, ohio 43110
614.834.8659p
<http://www.aerosportproducts.com/> www.aerosportproducts.com
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: rear seat foam
Linn, one way of looking at you dilemma is.....how often will you sit in the
back seat? ;-)
Rick
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Linn <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
I have a dilemma ..... Van's RV-10 rear seat foam is 1/2 the cost of those
from Oregon Aero.
I would like opinions on whether the extra cost is worth the comfort.
I'd also like to sit in both the Oregon Aero seats and Vans so if you're
bringing your RV-10 with Oregon Aero seats to Sun-n-Fun I'd like to see what
they're like.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: rear seat foam |
it=99s all the same foam. You=99re paying for the Name only.
I know Oregon Aero told me that needed to get their money back for their
R&D on the front seats and rear seats. I built my own rear seats and
think I should get $50 for my R&D.
I don=99t recall where the foam comes from, When I was helping
Desser put together a airframe package I saw they had rolls of the foam.
They told me they provided the seats for the RV=99s, but I
don=99t think it was for the RV-10. Bottom line, I bought some of
the blue and pink (softer) foam online for about $40 for my custom built
(by me) seats, have plenty left over too. Most of the seats are formed
foam that is rather cheap in general.
From: Linn
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 10:50 AM
Subject: RV10-List: rear seat foam
I have a dilemma ..... Van's RV-10 rear seat foam is 1/2 the cost of
those from Oregon Aero.
I would like opinions on whether the extra cost is worth the comfort.
I'd also like to sit in both the Oregon Aero seats and Vans so if you're
bringing your RV-10 with Oregon Aero seats to Sun-n-Fun I'd like to see
what they're like.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: rear seat foam |
worse than that.. how often will your family sit in the back seat? If
they aint happy no one is flying with you.. Ask me how I know, they are
happy as clams back there and never complain. Usually when we fly as a
family I=99m going 4hr legs.
Good point however, if no one is really going to be back there for long
save the money and use a few pillows covered by a walmart seat cover..
Just don=99t let anyone see it however
From: Rick Lark
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: rear seat foam
Linn, one way of looking at you dilemma is.....how often will you sit in
the back seat? ;-)
Rick
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Linn <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
I have a dilemma ..... Van's RV-10 rear seat foam is 1/2 the cost of
those from Oregon Aero.
I would like opinions on whether the extra cost is worth the comfort.
I'd also like to sit in both the Oregon Aero seats and Vans so if
you're bringing your RV-10 with Oregon Aero seats to Sun-n-Fun I'd like
to see what they're like.
Linn
get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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| Subject: | Re: rear seat foam |
I'll only sit in the back ...... at SNF :-D
I'm going to travel around the country, possibly with a full load, so
the comfort of the rear seats is kinda important ..... especially if I
can get whacked by the passenger behind me!!!
Thanks for the note .... made me chuckle!
Linn
On 4/1/2013 3:06 PM, Rick Lark wrote:
> Linn, one way of looking at you dilemma is.....how often will you sit
> in the back seat? ;-)
> Rick
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Linn <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com
> <mailto:flying-nut@cfl.rr.com>> wrote:
>
> I have a dilemma ..... Van's RV-10 rear seat foam is 1/2 the cost
> of those from Oregon Aero.
> I would like opinions on whether the extra cost is worth the comfort.
>
> I'd also like to sit in both the Oregon Aero seats and Vans so if
> you're bringing your RV-10 with Oregon Aero seats to Sun-n-Fun I'd
> like to see what they're like.
>
> Linn
>
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| Subject: | Re: rear seat foam |
Van's has RV-10 rear seat foam cores that have 3 pieces (seat, back,
lumbar) X 2 seats for $315 now. The O.A. seats are $342/seat and don't
have the lumbar cushion.
O.A. says their seats are pure memory foam while Vans has cheaper foam
in places. Makes choosing difficult.
Linn
On 4/1/2013 3:49 PM, Geoff Combs wrote:
> Linn
> I have the rear seat foams available like the ones Vans sells for
> $200.00 Here is a photo of recent seats I did. These have memory foam
> in bottom cushions and high quality bolster foam
> Geoff
> *
> *Geoff Combs *
> Aerosport Products
> 8090 howe industrial pkwy
> canal winchester, ohio 43110
> *614.834.8659p
> *www.aerosportproducts.com <http://www.aerosportproducts.com/>
> *
>
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Lark
> *Sent:* Monday, April 01, 2013 3:06 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: rear seat foam
>
> Linn, one way of looking at you dilemma is.....how often will you sit
> in the back seat? ;-)
> Rick
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Linn <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com
> <mailto:flying-nut@cfl.rr.com>> wrote:
>
> I have a dilemma ..... Van's RV-10 rear seat foam is 1/2 the cost
> of those from Oregon Aero.
> I would like opinions on whether the extra cost is worth the comfort.
>
> I'd also like to sit in both the Oregon Aero seats and Vans so if
> you're bringing your RV-10 with Oregon Aero seats to Sun-n-Fun I'd
> like to see what they're like.
>
> Linn
>
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| Subject: | Re: rear seat foam |
Geoff did my seats and I'm very pleased how they came out. Photos are on mykitlog.com
site.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: rear seat foam |
I have Van's foam, covered by a local shop. Wife and friends have sat back there,
they say it's comfortable.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397570#397570
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| Subject: | Re: rear seat foam |
not really. Memory foam is over rated. None of my cars have it and they
are quite comfortable when we drove for hours. When it gets cold, memory
foam are like rock until warmed up. Forget the hype buy 2-3 sq ft of the
memory foam for your bum and the rest can be the same foam used at car
shops.
I enclosed my seats layout for your review. This setup works today, I
think this is the same setup as Vans- but I bet a good shop can
duplicate it.
From: Linn
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: rear seat foam
Van's has RV-10 rear seat foam cores that have 3 pieces (seat, back,
lumbar) X 2 seats for $315 now. The O.A. seats are $342/seat and don't
have the lumbar cushion.
O.A. says their seats are pure memory foam while Vans has cheaper foam
in places. Makes choosing difficult.
Linn
On 4/1/2013 3:49 PM, Geoff Combs wrote:
Linn
I have the rear seat foams available like the ones Vans sells for
$200.00 Here is a photo of recent seats I did. These have memory foam
in bottom cushions and high quality bolster foam
Geoff
Geoff Combs
Aerosport Products
8090 howe industrial pkwy
canal winchester, ohio 43110
614.834.8659p
www.aerosportproducts.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:06 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: rear seat foam
Linn, one way of looking at you dilemma is.....how often will you sit
in the back seat? ;-)
Rick
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Linn <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
I have a dilemma ..... Van's RV-10 rear seat foam is 1/2 the cost of
those from Oregon Aero.
I would like opinions on whether the extra cost is worth the
comfort.
I'd also like to sit in both the Oregon Aero seats and Vans so if
you're bringing your RV-10 with Oregon Aero seats to Sun-n-Fun I'd like
to see what they're like.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: rear seat foam |
I recommend giving Geoff a call to ask about the things he does to different
iate his product from others. Ask him about how he ties down pleats and sea
ms. Or how he adds foam to soften the edges around the seat frame.
Many of you know that Geoff and I are friends, but I'm also a satisfied cust
omer.
I believe he'll be flying to SnF, so you can see his seats in person. Ther
e are also a few other forum members that have Geoff's seat too.
Bob
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On Apr 1, 2013, at 4:56 PM, Linn <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
Van's has RV-10 rear seat foam cores that have 3 pieces (seat, back, lumbar)
X 2 seats for $315 now. The O.A. seats are $342/seat and don't have the lu
mbar cushion.
O.A. says their seats are pure memory foam while Vans has cheaper foam in pl
aces. Makes choosing difficult.
Linn
On 4/1/2013 3:49 PM, Geoff Combs wrote:
> Linn
> I have the rear seat foams available like the ones Vans sells for $200.00 H
ere is a photo of recent seats I did. These have memory foam
> in bottom cushions and high quality bolster foam
>
>
>
> Geoff
>
> Geoff Combs
> Aerosport Products
> 8090 howe industrial pkwy
> canal winchester, ohio 43110
> 614.834.8659p
> www.aerosportproducts.com
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:06 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: rear seat foam
>
> Linn, one way of looking at you dilemma is.....how often will you sit in t
he back seat? ;-)
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Linn <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>> I have a dilemma ..... Van's RV-10 rear seat foam is 1/2 the cost of thos
e from Oregon Aero.
>> I would like opinions on whether the extra cost is worth the comfort.
>>
>> I'd also like to sit in both the Oregon Aero seats and Vans so if you're b
ringing your RV-10 with Oregon Aero seats to Sun-n-Fun I'd like to see what
they're like.
>>
>> Linn
>>
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| Subject: | Re: rear seat foam |
Yeah ya gotta watch out for the rear passengers, especially if they'er not
happy and comfortable. Good point too.
Do not archive
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Linn <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> I'll only sit in the back ...... at SNF :-D
> I'm going to travel around the country, possibly with a full load, so the
> comfort of the rear seats is kinda important ..... especially if I can get
> whacked by the passenger behind me!!!
> Thanks for the note .... made me chuckle!
> Linn
>
> On 4/1/2013 3:06 PM, Rick Lark wrote:
>
> Linn, one way of looking at you dilemma is.....how often will you sit in
> the back seat? ;-)
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Linn <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a dilemma ..... Van's RV-10 rear seat foam is 1/2 the cost of
>> those from Oregon Aero.
>> I would like opinions on whether the extra cost is worth the comfort.
>>
>> I'd also like to sit in both the Oregon Aero seats and Vans so if you're
>> bringing your RV-10 with Oregon Aero seats to Sun-n-Fun I'd like to see
>> what they're like.
>>
>> Linn
>>
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| Subject: | Re: rear seat foam |
I went with the Van's rear seat foam. I get consistently good reports on back seat
comfort from adults. I rode in Tim Olson's back seat in 2006 or 2007 and was
impressed at how roomy the back seat is and how comfortable the seats are.
I am 6'1" and usually (but not always!!) a bit north of 200 pounds.
--------
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
Transition Trainer
New Smyrna Beach, FL
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS failure checklist |
I don't think so.
http://utubeclassic.com/watch.php?v=j4IE9DMpj0U
I am having a difficult time sourcing the company page or the original vide
o. Above is a 3rd party video.
Sent from the new iPad
On Mar 31, 2013, at 12:27 PM, "Dave Saylor" <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.
com<mailto:dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>> wrote:
Is that the L3 unit? I remember seeing the price and thinking oh brother.
I'd rather install a vacuum system, and buy the 3 indicators that are gonn
a to fail over a couple thousand hours.
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com<mailto:
robin@painttheweb.com>> wrote:
robin@painttheweb.com>>
This discussion has been beneficial and reconfirms my feeling that in an em
ergency when everything appears as if you are looking through a straw and y
our head fills with conflicting decision paths that the safest bet is on a
100% independent back up system on its own battery (if needed).
I was thrilled to see a new back up EFIS advertised in one of the aviation
magazines I receive. Its a sweet little unit that appears to be well design
ed. After reading of its capabilities and watching the company video I was
impressed with the SAM back up EFIS. I had to dig a little deeper to find t
he unit pricing. $10,800.00. Bahhhahahha
Those poor bastards in the certified world will probably have $15K once ins
talled by a certified mechanic. The SAM is a unit that is comparable to the
TT Gemini EFIS I have in my 8A for $1,300.
I have been very pleased and impressed with my TT Gemini EFIS and I feel co
mfortable using that as my sole navigation device in an emergency. For $15K
I can install 3 TT Gemini back up units each with its own back up battery,
buy two Dynon D1 pocket EFIS, buy 3 iPads and an iPad mini plus a years wo
rth of AV gas.
My point is there are some quality backup devices that will provide full 6
pack info in a small footprint that are eminently affordable. Retrofitting
for a TT Gemini or the like is a pretty simple task and gives great peace o
f mind should primary instruments start going dark on you.
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS failure checklist |
http://sarasotaavionics.com/avionics/md302-sam
There is a button to "add to cart" . I bet you could schedule it for Saturd
ay delivery. :-)
Robin
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On Mar 31, 2013, at 12:27 PM, "Dave Saylor" <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.
com<mailto:dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>> wrote:
Is that the L3 unit? I remember seeing the price and thinking oh brother.
I'd rather install a vacuum system, and buy the 3 indicators that are gonn
a to fail over a couple thousand hours.
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com<mailto:
robin@painttheweb.com>> wrote:
robin@painttheweb.com>>
This discussion has been beneficial and reconfirms my feeling that in an em
ergency when everything appears as if you are looking through a straw and y
our head fills with conflicting decision paths that the safest bet is on a
100% independent back up system on its own battery (if needed).
I was thrilled to see a new back up EFIS advertised in one of the aviation
magazines I receive. Its a sweet little unit that appears to be well design
ed. After reading of its capabilities and watching the company video I was
impressed with the SAM back up EFIS. I had to dig a little deeper to find t
he unit pricing. $10,800.00. Bahhhahahha
Those poor bastards in the certified world will probably have $15K once ins
talled by a certified mechanic. The SAM is a unit that is comparable to the
TT Gemini EFIS I have in my 8A for $1,300.
I have been very pleased and impressed with my TT Gemini EFIS and I feel co
mfortable using that as my sole navigation device in an emergency. For $15K
I can install 3 TT Gemini back up units each with its own back up battery,
buy two Dynon D1 pocket EFIS, buy 3 iPads and an iPad mini plus a years wo
rth of AV gas.
My point is there are some quality backup devices that will provide full 6
pack info in a small footprint that are eminently affordable. Retrofitting
for a TT Gemini or the like is a pretty simple task and gives great peace o
f mind should primary instruments start going dark on you.
Robin
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| Subject: | Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete RV10-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
************************************************************
PLEASE READ. This document contains RV10-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the RV10-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the RV10-List
running smoothly for all of us.
******************************************
*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
******************************************
There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
****************************************
Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
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Send an email message to:
rv10-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
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*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
*****************************************************
When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
**************************************
*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
**************************************
Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
*******************
Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "rv10-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
****************************
An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
*****************************************
At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the RV10-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the RV10-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/rv10-list
*******************************************
*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all RV10-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the RV10-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* RV10-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the RV10-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* RV10-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
----------------
The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the RV10-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?RV10
*****************************************
**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
****************************
With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
**************************
*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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*** List Support Contributions ***
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The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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