---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/02/13: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:05 AM - Re: rear seat foam (Werner Schneider) 2. 03:35 AM - Re: EFIS failure checklist (Rodger Todd) 3. 12:36 PM - Oil level (Michael Kraus) 4. 01:22 PM - Re: Oil level (Robin Marks) 5. 01:48 PM - Re: Oil level (Dave Saylor) 6. 01:58 PM - Re: Oil level (Pascal) 7. 02:49 PM - Re: Oil level (Rene Felker) 8. 03:26 PM - Re: Oil level (Bill Watson) 9. 10:38 PM - Re: Oil level (Gordon Anderson) 10. 10:59 PM - Re: Oil level (Robin Marks) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:05:54 AM PST US From: Werner Schneider Subject: Re: RV10-List: rear seat foam Pascal, they came out very nice, you could marketing them and sell to get your R&D back ;) On 01.04.2013 22:16, Pascal wrote: > its all the same foam. Youre paying for the Name only. I know Oregon > Aero told me that needed to get their money back for their R&D on the > front seats and rear seats. I built my own rear seats and think I should > get $50 for my R&D. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:24 AM PST US From: Rodger Todd Subject: Re: RV10-List: EFIS failure checklist Hi Robin, - The standby EFIS you are referring to is the Mid-Continent-MD 302, $9475 at Spruce.- The unit Dave is quoting is the L3 Trilogy which is approx $1 3k if I remember correctly.- A third alternative would be the Aspen stand by unit announced at the end of last year. - Best wishes, - Rodger --- On Tue, 2/4/13, Robin Marks wrote: From: Robin Marks Subject: Re: RV10-List: EFIS failure checklist I don't think so. http://utubeclassic.com/watch.php?v=j4IE9DMpj0U I am having a difficult time sourcing the company page or the original vide o. Above is a 3rd party video. Sent from the new iPad On Mar 31, 2013, at 12:27 PM, "Dave Saylor" wrote: Is that the L3 unit? -I remember seeing the price and thinking oh brother . -I'd rather install a vacuum system, and buy the 3 indicators that are gonna to fail over a couple thousand hours. Dave Saylor 831-750-0284 CL On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Robin Marks wrote: This discussion has been beneficial and reconfirms my feeling that in an em ergency when everything appears as if you are looking through a straw and y our head fills with conflicting decision paths that the safest bet is on a 100% independent back up system on its own battery (if needed). I was thrilled to see a new back up EFIS advertised in one of the aviation magazines I receive. Its a sweet little unit that appears to be well design ed. After reading of its capabilities and watching the company video I was impressed with the SAM back up EFIS. I had to dig a little deeper to find t he unit pricing. $10,800.00. Bahhhahahha Those poor bastards in the certified world will probably have $15K once ins talled by a certified mechanic. The SAM is a unit that is comparable to the TT Gemini EFIS I have in my 8A for $1,300. I have been very pleased and impressed with my TT Gemini EFIS and I feel co mfortable using that as my sole navigation device in an emergency. For $15K I can install 3 TT Gemini back up units each with its own back up battery, buy two Dynon D1 pocket EFIS, buy 3 iPads and an iPad mini plus a years wo rth of AV gas. My point is there are some quality backup devices that will provide full 6 pack info in a small footprint that are eminently affordable. Retrofitting for a TT Gemini or the like is a pretty simple task and gives great peace o f mind should primary instruments start going dark on you. Robin " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List MS - k">http://forums.matronics.com e - - - - - --Matt Dralle, List Admin. t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ics.com .matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:12 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Oil level From: Michael Kraus How many quarts of oil do you all typically run in your RV-10? Anything over 10 quarts for me typically blows out. -Mike Kraus RV-4 sold :-( RV-10 flying :-) KitFox SS7 Radial building :-) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:36 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil level Michael, I usually put a bit in the oil filter then 7 quarts in the case. I then add another quart 20+ hours in. On my old cowl the breather tube was undersized at 3/4" which I now realize was a problem. With 7 Quarts I didn't have any blow by on the belly but if I put 8 quarts in it coated the belly. When we replaced the cowl we also replaced the 3/4" breather with a 1" breather tube. At the same time they did an oil change and put in 11 Quarts. Holly S*** 11 Quarts. I know I would be degreasing for the next 10 flight hours. That didn't happen. My belly is bone dry after 2 - 3+ hour flights and another 10 - 1 hour flights. Big surprise to me. I will still probably stay with 8 quarts for me on a go forward basis. YMMV. Robin -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:35 PM Subject: RV10-List: Oil level --> How many quarts of oil do you all typically run in your RV-10? Anything over 10 quarts for me typically blows out. -Mike Kraus RV-4 sold :-( RV-10 flying :-) KitFox SS7 Radial building :-) ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:48:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil level From: Dave Saylor I like it at 9, top it off when it gets to 8. I put a couple extra marks on the dipstick at 7 and 8. On Tuesday, April 2, 2013, Michael Kraus wrote: > > > > How many quarts of oil do you all typically run in your RV-10? Anything > over 10 quarts for me typically blows out. > > -Mike Kraus > RV-4 sold :-( > RV-10 flying :-) > KitFox SS7 Radial building :-) > > -- Dave Saylor 831-750-0284 CL ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:58:38 PM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil level I discovered that anything above 7qts would "disappear". I have a can that holds the blowby so I can see how much oil is blown and it sure isn't much. I have been running mine at 6.5-6.0qt before adding another qt. The advice my engine builder gave me was let the oil go until it stops. Some io-540 can run at 6, some at 8 or 9qts. In other words the oil stopped going down at around 6qts. I can go about 5 hours or so before I see any drop, but if I take it to 8qts the oil goes down within 2-3 hours to 7qts, than slowly to 6 where it seems to hold without loss.. -----Original Message----- From: Robin Marks Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 1:22 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil level Michael, I usually put a bit in the oil filter then 7 quarts in the case. I then add another quart 20+ hours in. On my old cowl the breather tube was undersized at 3/4" which I now realize was a problem. With 7 Quarts I didn't have any blow by on the belly but if I put 8 quarts in it coated the belly. When we replaced the cowl we also replaced the 3/4" breather with a 1" breather tube. At the same time they did an oil change and put in 11 Quarts. Holly S*** 11 Quarts. I know I would be degreasing for the next 10 flight hours. That didn't happen. My belly is bone dry after 2 - 3+ hour flights and another 10 - 1 hour flights. Big surprise to me. I will still probably stay with 8 quarts for me on a go forward basis. YMMV. Robin -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:35 PM Subject: RV10-List: Oil level --> How many quarts of oil do you all typically run in your RV-10? Anything over 10 quarts for me typically blows out. -Mike Kraus RV-4 sold :-( RV-10 flying :-) KitFox SS7 Radial building :-) ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:49:16 PM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil level I have been starting at 9 and letting it go to 8 where is stabilizes. Anything above 9 and in a couple of hours it will be at 9.... YMMV Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 2:58 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil level I discovered that anything above 7qts would "disappear". I have a can that holds the blowby so I can see how much oil is blown and it sure isn't much. I have been running mine at 6.5-6.0qt before adding another qt. The advice my engine builder gave me was let the oil go until it stops. Some io-540 can run at 6, some at 8 or 9qts. In other words the oil stopped going down at around 6qts. I can go about 5 hours or so before I see any drop, but if I take it to 8qts the oil goes down within 2-3 hours to 7qts, than slowly to 6 where it seems to hold without loss.. -----Original Message----- From: Robin Marks Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 1:22 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil level Michael, I usually put a bit in the oil filter then 7 quarts in the case. I then add another quart 20+ hours in. On my old cowl the breather tube was undersized at 3/4" which I now realize was a problem. With 7 Quarts I didn't have any blow by on the belly but if I put 8 quarts in it coated the belly. When we replaced the cowl we also replaced the 3/4" breather with a 1" breather tube. At the same time they did an oil change and put in 11 Quarts. Holly S*** 11 Quarts. I know I would be degreasing for the next 10 flight hours. That didn't happen. My belly is bone dry after 2 - 3+ hour flights and another 10 - 1 hour flights. Big surprise to me. I will still probably stay with 8 quarts for me on a go forward basis. YMMV. Robin -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:35 PM Subject: RV10-List: Oil level --> How many quarts of oil do you all typically run in your RV-10? Anything over 10 quarts for me typically blows out. -Mike Kraus RV-4 sold :-( RV-10 flying :-) KitFox SS7 Radial building :-) ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:08 PM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil level For the first 200+ hours, I was putting in 10 quarts At 260 hours, I put in 7 which registers at 6. Why? I've been attempting to get my oil temperature up to at least 150F. Bill "changing it again as we speak" Watson On 4/2/2013 3:35 PM, Michael Kraus wrote: > > How many quarts of oil do you all typically run in your RV-10? Anything over 10 quarts for me typically blows out. > > -Mike Kraus > RV-4 sold :-( > RV-10 flying :-) > KitFox SS7 Radial building :-) > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:38:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil level From: Gordon Anderson Robin, Do you have an oil separator in the breather line, with the new 1" line or previously with the 3/4"? Gordon On Apr 2, 2013, at 10:22 PM, Robin Marks wrote: > > Michael, > I usually put a bit in the oil filter then 7 quarts in the case. I then add another quart 20+ hours in. On my old cowl the breather tube was undersized at 3/4" which I now realize was a problem. With 7 Quarts I didn't have any blow by on the belly but if I put 8 quarts in it coated the belly. When we replaced the cowl we also replaced the 3/4" breather with a 1" breather tube. At the same time they did an oil change and put in 11 Quarts. Holly S*** 11 Quarts. I know I would be degreasing for the next 10 flight hours. That didn't happen. My belly is bone dry after 2 - 3+ hour flights and another 10 - 1 hour flights. Big surprise to me. I will still probably stay with 8 quarts for me on a go forward basis. YMMV. > > Robin > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:35 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Oil level > > --> > > How many quarts of oil do you all typically run in your RV-10? Anything over 10 quarts for me typically blows out. > > -Mike Kraus > RV-4 sold :-( > RV-10 flying :-) > KitFox SS7 Radial building :-) > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:03 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil level I had the Andair Air/Oil with the 3/4" line in the prior cowl set up. That is probably why we used 3/4". The new set up has no Air/Oil unit. Robin -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Anderson Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 10:37 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil level Robin, Do you have an oil separator in the breather line, with the new 1" line or previously with the 3/4"? Gordon On Apr 2, 2013, at 10:22 PM, Robin Marks wrote: > > Michael, > I usually put a bit in the oil filter then 7 quarts in the case. I then add another quart 20+ hours in. On my old cowl the breather tube was undersized at 3/4" which I now realize was a problem. With 7 Quarts I didn't have any blow by on the belly but if I put 8 quarts in it coated the belly. When we replaced the cowl we also replaced the 3/4" breather with a 1" breather tube. At the same time they did an oil change and put in 11 Quarts. Holly S*** 11 Quarts. I know I would be degreasing for the next 10 flight hours. That didn't happen. My belly is bone dry after 2 - 3+ hour flights and another 10 - 1 hour flights. Big surprise to me. I will still probably stay with 8 quarts for me on a go forward basis. YMMV. > > Robin > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Kraus > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:35 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Oil level > > --> > > How many quarts of oil do you all typically run in your RV-10? Anything over 10 quarts for me typically blows out. > > -Mike Kraus > RV-4 sold :-( > RV-10 flying :-) > KitFox SS7 Radial building :-) > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > > ----- No virus found in this message. 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