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1. 04:14 AM - Re: Re: Interesting weather flight to Lycoming Engine School in my (Jesse Saint)
2. 06:24 AM - Re: Re: Interesting weather flight to Lycoming Engine School in my (Bill Watson)
3. 06:35 AM - Re: IO540 hot starts (Bill Watson)
4. 06:40 AM - Re: Re: Interesting weather flight to Lycoming Engine School in my (Bill Watson)
5. 07:03 AM - lycoming engine school (Linn)
6. 09:36 AM - Re: lycoming engine school (Bill Watson)
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| Subject: | Re: Interesting weather flight to Lycoming Engine School |
in my
This is almost exactly what I do. I usually don't boost as long, and usually
give about 1/2" of throttle (a little more than for a cold start).
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
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On Apr 15, 2013, at 10:38 PM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com
> wrote:
> We have to start lots of different engines. They all have their idiosyncr
asies and people figure out what works for each individual installation. Bu
t if the ignition and starting system are in good condition (big if sometime
s...), this works for me, hot or cold. Consider this a universal method for
injected Lycs:
>
> Full throttle, full mixture. That opens everything up as far as possible.
>
> Boost pump on until the fuel pressure approaches peak. No need to hold ou
t for the final PSI, just watch for the rate of rise start to taper off. Bo
ost pump off. Allows fuel to fill the injector lines without vapors.
>
> Throttle back to 1/4" (just cracked). Mixture to ICO. At this point, the
cylinder charge is over-rich and probably won't ignite.
>
> Then crank with ignition for start per your installation--one mag, EI, bot
h mags--it just depends on how your system is configured. The engine clears
out the excess fuel and eventually reaches the correct mixture to start. S
ince it's at ICO, no fuel is being added, just removed.
>
> As the engine starts to fire, move the mixture S L O W L Y towards full ri
ch. ICO to full rich should take about 2 seconds.
>
> Adjust throttle as necessary.
>
> About the only change I make to this procedure is to sometimes give 1/2" o
f throttle if it's being stubborn. If it won't start like this, I look for s
ome other problem. I've been very happy with SlickStart installations. As l
ong as it's timed right, a SlickStarts always give a good hot spark, which i
s obviously required for starting.
>
>
>
> Dave Saylor
> 831-750-0284 CL
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Your boost pump is NOT helping anything with Bendix or AFP injection syst
em. It only helps for Continental injection systems. Better to delay bringin
g in mixture a couple seconds as it may start without it.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Miller John <gengrumpy@aol.com> wrote:
>>> Lew,
>>>
>>> After about 100 hrs and numerous hot start problems, another -10 builder
put me onto this technique.
>>>
>>> Throttle - 1/2 to 1 inch open.
>>>
>>> Mixture - full lean
>>>
>>> Boost pump - on
>>>
>>> Begin cranking and simultaneously move the mixture in towards the half w
ay position.
>>>
>>> As it starts firing, increase mixture slightly and may need to modulate t
hrottle momentarily.
>>>
>>> Leave boost pump on for a couple of minutes after it fires.
>>>
>>> Works every time!
>>>
>>> grumpy
>>> N184JM
>>>
>>> On Apr 15, 2013, at 4:01 PM, <lewgall@charter.net> <lewgall@charter.net>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Bill,
>>>>
>>>> Did anyone ask Jim about hot engine starts on the IO-540? That has be
en addressed here, but with different styles from different folks. Just won
dered if someone of his experience had a recommended technique.
>>>>
>>>> Later, =93 Lew
>>>>
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ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Interesting weather flight to Lycoming Engine School |
in my
Yes, there was a short discussion that sounded like the discussion here.
The class focused on maintenance rather than operational procedures
though it covered plenty of both. Jim could only state that different
installations may require different techniques.
I made two notes from the discussion.
1) Whatever technique used for starts, don't 'prime' during a hot
start. By 'prime' I mean don't run boost pump and open mixture (and
throttle) as you might on a cold start.
2) Don't start using WOT
On 4/15/2013 5:01 PM, lewgall@charter.net wrote:
> Hey Bill,
> Did anyone ask Jim about hot engine starts on the IO-540? That has
> been addressed here, but with different styles from different folks.
> Just wondered if someone of his experience had a recommended technique.
> Later, Lew
>
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| Subject: | Re: IO540 hot starts |
Kelly's procedure is exactly what I do for hot starts on my '10
(standard Vans IO540). Key points are cranking a bit until if fires
then slowly feeding it fuel and not running the boost pump. I've played
with turning on the fuel pump, /without ever opening the mixture or
throttle/. That works too but it's seems to make no difference.
On cold starts, I 'prime' first by runnning the boost pump, open the
mixture for a 5 count, then close mixture. Then same procedure with
boost pump on throughout.
On 4/15/2013 11:00 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> Ugh. I hate full throttle start attempts. That is the heavily flooded
> procedure. Hazardous to your prop, hard on the engine.
> No need in injected Lycomings I have flown. Do NOT use boost pump at
> all. Just 1/4" to 1/2" throttle, mixt. idle cutoff, prop full, crank 6
> blades and if no fire, ease mixture slowly forward until it does fire.
> Been using that for the past 14 years in my Mooney with no issues.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Interesting weather flight to Lycoming Engine School |
in my
On 4/15/2013 6:57 PM, jkreidler wrote:
>
> Thanks Bill - this sounds great. May I ask how much they charged?
>
> --------
>
Here's the full confirmation letter with all the details.
Dear Mr. Watson,
You are scheduled to attend the Lycoming Engine Service School to be
held March 19-22, 2013, and the Disassembly/Reassembly course to be
held March 25-27, 2013. Attached is the confirmation letter for your
attendance to these classes. About a month before the first class
begins, I will contact you via email to make sure you are still planning
to attend. At that time I will give you payment options. Payment should
be made before the first day of class. The cost for the two classes will
be $1,425.00 USD each student.
The Holiday Inn, Downtown hotel is the recommended hotel to stay during
your visit. They offer a discounted room rate to our students with the
special code listed in your confirmation letter. They also provide free
transportation to and from the class each day, and to and from the local
airport. I do have a list of other hotels in the area who give a
discount to our students. Not all of them, however, provide
transportation. I could email that list to you if you wish.
The classes are held at Pennsylvania College of Technology's Aviation
Center in Montoursville. The Aviation Center is located adjacent to the
Williamsport Regional Airport (IPT). Please instruct whomever is driving
you to the class that you need to go to*Penn College's Aviation Center,
Montoursville*.
Also, please note that all classes start promptly at 8:00 a.m. In case
of inclement weather, the Lycoming Engine classes will still be held at
8 a.m. each morning at the Aviation Center.
If you drive your own vehicle, please ask the secretary at the front
desk of the Aviation Center to give you a Temporary Parking Hanger to
display in your parked vehicle. The College Police will ticket any
vehicles that do not display the Temporary Parking Hanger.
As part of your tuition to the Lycoming Engine Service School you will
receive a choice of maintenance manuals from Lycoming Engines. The
instructor will have the order forms for you to complete. It
is_very_important that you complete the order form accurately and
eligibly with the*exact*address where the manuals are to be shipped via
FedEx. */FedEx will only ship to a physical address (number, street,
city)./*Lycoming Engines will only ship_once_to the address given on the
order form. If the shipment cannot be delivered to the address given,
they will be returned to Lycoming Engines. You will then have to contact
Lycoming Engines and pay for their shipment.
If I may be of further assistance, please contact me. Thank you very much.
Betty Ayers
Workforce Development and Continuing Education
Pennsylvania College of Technology
One College Avenue
Williamsport, PA 17701
Phone:570-327-4775 <tel:570-327-4775>
Fax:570.327.4538 <tel:570.327.4538>
bayers@pct.edu <mailto:bayers@pct.edu>
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| Subject: | lycoming engine school |
I changed the subject line!!!
I was faced with rebuilding my O-360-A4A in my Pitts .... reason is in
another story. I have rebuilt a few car engines over my lifetime so the
task wasn't really daunting.
With two manuals, the assembly manual and parts book, you can correctly
disassemble, measure for wear, and reassemble our engines. The hardest
part for me was splitting the case and I made tools to do that. I wish
I could have gone to the engine class and I'm sure that Bill learned far
more of the fine points ..... which impact longevity of the engine ....
which I still don't have. I sent my parts out to have them
measured/replaced as necessary ..... very few parts missed that step. I
also had an A&P that let me buy parts on his account.
Bottom line .... if you follow the assembly manual with the same
diligence you did with the plans while you were building ..... you'll
have a 'new' engine that should last you a long time. The engine class
is valuable, but not a 'required' step.
Linn
On 4/16/2013 9:39 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
> On 4/15/2013 6:57 PM, jkreidler wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Bill - this sounds great. May I ask how much they charged?
>>
>> --------
>>
> Here's the full confirmation letter with all the details.
>
> Dear Mr. Watson,
>
> You are scheduled to attend the Lycoming Engine Service School to be
> held March 19-22, 2013, and the Disassembly/Reassembly course to be
> held March 25-27, 2013. Attached is the confirmation letter for your
> attendance to these classes. About a month before the first class
> begins, I will contact you via email to make sure you are still
> planning to attend. At that time I will give you payment options.
> Payment should be made before the first day of class. The cost for the
> two classes will be $1,425.00 USD each student.
>
> The Holiday Inn, Downtown hotel is the recommended hotel to stay
> during your visit. They offer a discounted room rate to our students
> with the special code listed in your confirmation letter. They also
> provide free transportation to and from the class each day, and to and
> from the local airport. I do have a list of other hotels in the area
> who give a discount to our students. Not all of them, however, provide
> transportation. I could email that list to you if you wish.
>
> The classes are held at Pennsylvania College of Technology's Aviation
> Center in Montoursville. The Aviation Center is located adjacent to
> the Williamsport Regional Airport (IPT). Please instruct whomever is
> driving you to the class that you need to go to*Penn College's
> Aviation Center, Montoursville*.
>
> Also, please note that all classes start promptly at 8:00 a.m. In case
> of inclement weather, the Lycoming Engine classes will still be held
> at 8 a.m. each morning at the Aviation Center.
>
> If you drive your own vehicle, please ask the secretary at the front
> desk of the Aviation Center to give you a Temporary Parking Hanger to
> display in your parked vehicle. The College Police will ticket any
> vehicles that do not display the Temporary Parking Hanger.
>
> As part of your tuition to the Lycoming Engine Service School you will
> receive a choice of maintenance manuals from Lycoming Engines. The
> instructor will have the order forms for you to complete. It
> is_very_important that you complete the order form accurately and
> eligibly with the*exact*address where the manuals are to be shipped
> via FedEx. */FedEx will only ship to a physical address (number,
> street, city)./*Lycoming Engines will only ship_once_to the address
> given on the order form. If the shipment cannot be delivered to the
> address given, they will be returned to Lycoming Engines. You will
> then have to contact Lycoming Engines and pay for their shipment.
>
> If I may be of further assistance, please contact me. Thank you very much.
>
> Betty Ayers
>
> Workforce Development and Continuing Education
>
> Pennsylvania College of Technology
>
> One College Avenue
>
> Williamsport, PA 17701
>
> Phone:570-327-4775 <tel:570-327-4775>
>
> Fax:570.327.4538 <tel:570.327.4538>
>
> bayers@pct.edu <mailto:bayers@pct.edu>
>
>
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>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: lycoming engine school |
Couldn't agree more on all points!
Having never really worked on anything other than model airplane engines
and 5hp mini-bike, the school gave me the confidence I needed to work on
that big, expensive and important IO540.
Yep.
On 4/16/2013 10:02 AM, Linn wrote:
> I changed the subject line!!!
> I was faced with rebuilding my O-360-A4A in my Pitts .... reason is in
> another story. I have rebuilt a few car engines over my lifetime so
> the task wasn't really daunting.
> With two manuals, the assembly manual and parts book, you can
> correctly disassemble, measure for wear, and reassemble our engines.
> The hardest part for me was splitting the case and I made tools to do
> that. I wish I could have gone to the engine class and I'm sure that
> Bill learned far more of the fine points ..... which impact longevity
> of the engine .... which I still don't have. I sent my parts out to
> have them measured/replaced as necessary ..... very few parts missed
> that step. I also had an A&P that let me buy parts on his account.
>
> Bottom line .... if you follow the assembly manual with the same
> diligence you did with the plans while you were building ..... you'll
> have a 'new' engine that should last you a long time. The engine class
> is valuable, but not a 'required' step.
> Linn
>
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