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1. 08:12 AM - Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal (tsts4)
2. 09:49 AM - Re: Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal (John Cox)
3. 10:56 AM - Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal (tsts4)
4. 12:02 PM - Re: Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal (Ben Westfall)
5. 02:40 PM - Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal (Ron B.)
6. 03:29 PM - Re: Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal (Rene Felker)
7. 04:15 PM - Engine Mount (Vernon Franklin)
8. 04:34 PM - Re: Engine Mount (Bob Turner)
9. 09:03 PM - Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal (rv10flyer)
10. 09:04 PM - Re: Engine Mount (rv10flyer)
11. 09:07 PM - Re: Andair fuel pump (rv10flyer)
12. 09:38 PM - Re: Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal (Rick Lark)
13. 09:40 PM - Re: Re: Engine Mount (Rick Lark)
14. 10:09 PM - Re: Re: Engine Mount (Kelly McMullen)
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| Subject: | Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal |
IMO, I'd use some kind of flexible adhesive particularly if you use Van's method
to do the riveting, but it doesn't have to be Proseal. Remember the purpose
of the Proseal is to act like a Cleco, it's not there to seal anything.
If you use the method where you create a long backrivet plate out of angle iron
(or something similar) that you match drill and cleco the trailing edge to, then
you can probably skip the Proseal all together, but I'll defer to someone
who went this route as I used Van's Proseal method.
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Todd Stovall
aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace
RV-10 N728TT
Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal |
Not to start a primer war but Proseal is a sealant and is not too good as a
fastener. The advantage of using it on the trailing edges is to act as a
sealant to alkaline fluids that might wick into the "fay" seam between two
skins and begin a corrosion process. The main use (but certainly not the
only) is to seal panels or antenna on commercial & military aircraft
against water, cleaners, de-ice fluid and other contaminates.
Hydrogen embrittlement and corrosion are the two concerns that drive its
use in Aviation. Corrosion takes place when the slightest electron current
flow begins in the presence of moisture and dissimilar metals. (See the
Nobility Table of metals). I won't get into Hydrogen Embrittlement here.
Remember many use the aircraft metal as the return path for those
electrons.
It's home remedy uses are almost as varied and limitless as MMO - Marvel
Mystery Oil for acronym driven builders. Clearing stuffy noses being one
of the most unforgettable. Using it as a trace marker on formerly valuable
clothing for work performed is another.
John Cox
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:11 AM, tsts4 <tsts4@verizon.net> wrote:
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> IMO, I'd use some kind of flexible adhesive particularly if you use Van's
> method to do the riveting, but it doesn't have to be Proseal. Remember the
> purpose of the Proseal is to act like a Cleco, it's not there to seal
> anything.
>
> If you use the method where you create a long backrivet plate out of angle
> iron (or something similar) that you match drill and cleco the trailing
> edge to, then you can probably skip the Proseal all together, but I'll
> defer to someone who went this route as I used Van's Proseal method.
>
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> Todd Stovall
> aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace
> RV-10 N728TT
> Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing
> www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
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| Subject: | Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal |
Well, while what you say is true to a point, in this application Van calls for
the use of ProSeal as a convenient adhesive simply to hold the parts together
while riveting to prevent the dreaded trailing edge wave. I point you to para
5H in Chapter 5 of the construction manual where Van's explains this.
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Todd Stovall
aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace
RV-10 N728TT
Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal |
Clecoing the trailing edge through every other rivet hole to a piece of
match drilled angle iron works pretty damn good at preventing the trailing
edge wave too. Not flying but I can gaze down my rudder trailing edge with
no regrets.
Ben Westfall
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Well, while what you say is true to a point, in this application Van calls
for the use of ProSeal as a convenient adhesive simply to hold the parts
together while riveting to prevent the dreaded trailing edge wave. I point
you to para 5H in Chapter 5 of the construction manual where Van's explains
this.
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Todd Stovall
aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace
RV-10 N728TT
Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing
www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
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| Subject: | Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal |
On the RV-14, Van's now uses a 3M double sided tape rather than Proseal and the
RV-14 wing is just an RV-10 wing shortened basically.
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| Subject: | Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal |
BTW.....I liked the pro seal.....was not all that bad, ya a little messy,
but it worked for me and I knew what I was getting. Embrace the mess....
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron B.
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal
On the RV-14, Van's now uses a 3M double sided tape rather than Proseal and
the RV-14 wing is just an RV-10 wing shortened basically.
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I am starting to drill and attach the engine mount to the firewall.
I noticed that after I got the first AN6 attach bolt holding the engine
mount in place, the other guide holes in the firewall were visible, but not
perfectly centered in the engine mount bolt holes.
Is this something I should be concerned about? Did anyone else experience
this? Should I drill away?
--
Vernon Franklin
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Mount |
Mine too. In fact, I had to pull on the mount so I could see all of the hole in
the firewall thru the mount.
Van's advice was to use the mount as a guide, and just go ahead and drill, as long
as the resulting final holes were going to be round.
Seemed to work okay, the mount is a good guide so the drill doesn't wander in the
off-center hole in the firewall.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal |
The tensile strength of Proseal is approximately 300 psi and I know it is safe
to use with aluminum. The tensile strength of double sided tape varies from 10-85
psi and consist of many different adhesives. Proseal adds a lot of shear and
tensile strength to a riveted joint. Assemble two scrap pieces of aluminum
together with Proseal and then try pulling them apart.
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Wayne G.
SB 12/01/2009-12/01/2011
TT= 97.6
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Mount |
Same on mine...you are getting close!
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Wayne G.
SB 12/01/2009-12/01/2011
TT= 97.6
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| Subject: | Re: Andair fuel pump |
Like Carl, no problems with Airflow's pump. Also no problems with Vans fuel valve.
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Wayne G.
SB 12/01/2009-12/01/2011
TT= 97.6
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| Subject: | Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal |
The double sided tape would be a lot less messy way to secure the trailing
edges. Good idea.
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Ron B. <ronbelliveau@eastlink.ca> wrote:
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> On the RV-14, Van's now uses a 3M double sided tape rather than Proseal
> and the RV-14 wing is just an RV-10 wing shortened basically.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398911#398911
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Mount |
I'm far from an expert but would a reamer not be a good way to open up the
final hole size? I use one every chance I get.
Rick
#40956
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
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> Mine too. In fact, I had to pull on the mount so I could see all of the
> hole in the firewall thru the mount.
> Van's advice was to use the mount as a guide, and just go ahead and drill,
> as long as the resulting final holes were going to be round.
> Seemed to work okay, the mount is a good guide so the drill doesn't wander
> in the off-center hole in the firewall.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398917#398917
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Mount |
You are enlarging from around a 3/16 to something like 3/8. You need a
sharp drill bit with good cutting oil. I found liquid Boelube works
great for that purpose.
On 4/18/2013 9:40 PM, Rick Lark wrote:
> I'm far from an expert but would a reamer not be a good way to open up
> the final hole size? I use one every chance I get.
> Rick
> #40956
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu
> <mailto:bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>> wrote:
>
> <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu <mailto:bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>>
>
> Mine too. In fact, I had to pull on the mount so I could see all
> of the hole in the firewall thru the mount.
> Van's advice was to use the mount as a guide, and just go ahead
> and drill, as long as the resulting final holes were going to be
> round.
> Seemed to work okay, the mount is a good guide so the drill
> doesn't wander in the off-center hole in the firewall.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398917#398917
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