---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/18/13: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:12 AM - Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal (tsts4) 2. 09:49 AM - Re: Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal (John Cox) 3. 10:56 AM - Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal (tsts4) 4. 12:02 PM - Re: Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal (Ben Westfall) 5. 02:40 PM - Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal (Ron B.) 6. 03:29 PM - Re: Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal (Rene Felker) 7. 04:15 PM - Engine Mount (Vernon Franklin) 8. 04:34 PM - Re: Engine Mount (Bob Turner) 9. 09:03 PM - Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal (rv10flyer) 10. 09:04 PM - Re: Engine Mount (rv10flyer) 11. 09:07 PM - Re: Andair fuel pump (rv10flyer) 12. 09:38 PM - Re: Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal (Rick Lark) 13. 09:40 PM - Re: Re: Engine Mount (Rick Lark) 14. 10:09 PM - Re: Re: Engine Mount (Kelly McMullen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:37 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal From: "tsts4" IMO, I'd use some kind of flexible adhesive particularly if you use Van's method to do the riveting, but it doesn't have to be Proseal. Remember the purpose of the Proseal is to act like a Cleco, it's not there to seal anything. If you use the method where you create a long backrivet plate out of angle iron (or something similar) that you match drill and cleco the trailing edge to, then you can probably skip the Proseal all together, but I'll defer to someone who went this route as I used Van's Proseal method. -------- Todd Stovall aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace RV-10 N728TT Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398885#398885 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal From: John Cox Not to start a primer war but Proseal is a sealant and is not too good as a fastener. The advantage of using it on the trailing edges is to act as a sealant to alkaline fluids that might wick into the "fay" seam between two skins and begin a corrosion process. The main use (but certainly not the only) is to seal panels or antenna on commercial & military aircraft against water, cleaners, de-ice fluid and other contaminates. Hydrogen embrittlement and corrosion are the two concerns that drive its use in Aviation. Corrosion takes place when the slightest electron current flow begins in the presence of moisture and dissimilar metals. (See the Nobility Table of metals). I won't get into Hydrogen Embrittlement here. Remember many use the aircraft metal as the return path for those electrons. It's home remedy uses are almost as varied and limitless as MMO - Marvel Mystery Oil for acronym driven builders. Clearing stuffy noses being one of the most unforgettable. Using it as a trace marker on formerly valuable clothing for work performed is another. John Cox On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:11 AM, tsts4 wrote: > > IMO, I'd use some kind of flexible adhesive particularly if you use Van's > method to do the riveting, but it doesn't have to be Proseal. Remember the > purpose of the Proseal is to act like a Cleco, it's not there to seal > anything. > > If you use the method where you create a long backrivet plate out of angle > iron (or something similar) that you match drill and cleco the trailing > edge to, then you can probably skip the Proseal all together, but I'll > defer to someone who went this route as I used Van's Proseal method. > > -------- > Todd Stovall > aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace > RV-10 N728TT > Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing > www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398885#398885 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:39 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal From: "tsts4" Well, while what you say is true to a point, in this application Van calls for the use of ProSeal as a convenient adhesive simply to hold the parts together while riveting to prevent the dreaded trailing edge wave. I point you to para 5H in Chapter 5 of the construction manual where Van's explains this. -------- Todd Stovall aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace RV-10 N728TT Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398900#398900 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:02:56 PM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal Clecoing the trailing edge through every other rivet hole to a piece of match drilled angle iron works pretty damn good at preventing the trailing edge wave too. Not flying but I can gaze down my rudder trailing edge with no regrets. Ben Westfall -----Original Message----- Well, while what you say is true to a point, in this application Van calls for the use of ProSeal as a convenient adhesive simply to hold the parts together while riveting to prevent the dreaded trailing edge wave. I point you to para 5H in Chapter 5 of the construction manual where Van's explains this. -------- Todd Stovall aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace RV-10 N728TT Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:40:34 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal From: "Ron B." On the RV-14, Van's now uses a 3M double sided tape rather than Proseal and the RV-14 wing is just an RV-10 wing shortened basically. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398911#398911 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:29:00 PM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal BTW.....I liked the pro seal.....was not all that bad, ya a little messy, but it worked for me and I knew what I was getting. Embrace the mess.... Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron B. Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:39 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal On the RV-14, Van's now uses a 3M double sided tape rather than Proseal and the RV-14 wing is just an RV-10 wing shortened basically. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398911#398911 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:42 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Engine Mount From: Vernon Franklin I am starting to drill and attach the engine mount to the firewall. I noticed that after I got the first AN6 attach bolt holding the engine mount in place, the other guide holes in the firewall were visible, but not perfectly centered in the engine mount bolt holes. Is this something I should be concerned about? Did anyone else experience this? Should I drill away? -- Vernon Franklin ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:20 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Engine Mount From: "Bob Turner" Mine too. In fact, I had to pull on the mount so I could see all of the hole in the firewall thru the mount. Van's advice was to use the mount as a guide, and just go ahead and drill, as long as the resulting final holes were going to be round. Seemed to work okay, the mount is a good guide so the drill doesn't wander in the off-center hole in the firewall. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398917#398917 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:37 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal From: "rv10flyer" The tensile strength of Proseal is approximately 300 psi and I know it is safe to use with aluminum. The tensile strength of double sided tape varies from 10-85 psi and consist of many different adhesives. Proseal adds a lot of shear and tensile strength to a riveted joint. Assemble two scrap pieces of aluminum together with Proseal and then try pulling them apart. -------- Wayne G. SB 12/01/2009-12/01/2011 TT= 97.6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398923#398923 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:48 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Engine Mount From: "rv10flyer" Same on mine...you are getting close! -------- Wayne G. SB 12/01/2009-12/01/2011 TT= 97.6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398924#398924 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:48 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Andair fuel pump From: "rv10flyer" Like Carl, no problems with Airflow's pump. Also no problems with Vans fuel valve. -------- Wayne G. SB 12/01/2009-12/01/2011 TT= 97.6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398925#398925 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Flap trailing edge Proseal From: Rick Lark The double sided tape would be a lot less messy way to secure the trailing edges. Good idea. Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Ron B. wrote: > > On the RV-14, Van's now uses a 3M double sided tape rather than Proseal > and the RV-14 wing is just an RV-10 wing shortened basically. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398911#398911 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Engine Mount From: Rick Lark I'm far from an expert but would a reamer not be a good way to open up the final hole size? I use one every chance I get. Rick #40956 On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > > Mine too. In fact, I had to pull on the mount so I could see all of the > hole in the firewall thru the mount. > Van's advice was to use the mount as a guide, and just go ahead and drill, > as long as the resulting final holes were going to be round. > Seemed to work okay, the mount is a good guide so the drill doesn't wander > in the off-center hole in the firewall. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398917#398917 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:54 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Engine Mount You are enlarging from around a 3/16 to something like 3/8. You need a sharp drill bit with good cutting oil. I found liquid Boelube works great for that purpose. On 4/18/2013 9:40 PM, Rick Lark wrote: > I'm far from an expert but would a reamer not be a good way to open up > the final hole size? I use one every chance I get. > Rick > #40956 > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Bob Turner > wrote: > > > > > Mine too. In fact, I had to pull on the mount so I could see all > of the hole in the firewall thru the mount. > Van's advice was to use the mount as a guide, and just go ahead > and drill, as long as the resulting final holes were going to be > round. > Seemed to work okay, the mount is a good guide so the drill > doesn't wander in the off-center hole in the firewall. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398917#398917 > > > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > * > > > * ----- No virus found in this message. 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