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1. 03:10 AM - Re: Re: Fresh Air Vents (Bill Watson)
2. 07:38 AM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (Danny Riggs)
3. 09:11 AM - Re: Electronic Ignition (dmaib@me.com)
4. 09:31 AM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (Tim Olson)
5. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (Don McDonald)
6. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (Danny Riggs)
7. 10:06 AM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (JimVillani)
8. 10:21 AM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (Robin Marks)
9. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (Marcus Cooper)
10. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (Tim Olson)
11. 11:02 AM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (Tim Olson)
12. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (Tim Olson)
13. 11:26 AM - Insurance (Terry Moushon)
14. 11:44 AM - Re: Insurance (tsts4)
15. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (Danny Riggs)
16. 11:48 AM - Re: Insurance (James Dearborn)
17. 11:52 AM - Re: Insurance (Linn)
18. 12:00 PM - Re: Insurance (Bob Leffler)
19. 12:02 PM - Re: Insurance (Bob Leffler)
20. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (Robin Marks)
21. 12:17 PM - Re: Insurance (William Greenley)
22. 12:20 PM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (Marcus Cooper)
23. 12:20 PM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (Tim Olson)
24. 12:40 PM - Re: Insurance (tsts4)
25. 12:41 PM - Re: Insurance (Ron Walker)
26. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (Don McDonald)
27. 12:42 PM - Re: Insurance (davidsoutpost@comcast.net)
28. 12:48 PM - Re: Re: Insurance (William Greenley)
29. 12:49 PM - Re: Insurance (Bob Leffler)
30. 12:52 PM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (Don McDonald)
31. 01:10 PM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (Rob Kochman)
32. 01:11 PM - Re: Insurance (William Greenley)
33. 01:14 PM - Re: Insurance (Rob Kochman)
34. 01:31 PM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (Albert Gardner)
35. 01:47 PM - Re: Insurance (Bob Leffler)
36. 05:26 PM - Re: Insurance (PJ Seipel)
37. 06:08 PM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (Kelly McMullen)
38. 06:50 PM - Set up mode g530w (Rob Kermanj)
39. 07:17 PM - Re: Set up mode g530w (bill.peyton)
40. 07:46 PM - Re: Insurance (Dick & Vicki Sipp)
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| Subject: | Re: Fresh Air Vents |
Thanks David.
There are a few things I'd do on my next plane too... but I've told
everyone I know that I only have one in me. It's been the best project
ever, but I'm thinking it best not to return to the scene of the crime.
On 5/15/2013 8:07 PM, dmaib@me.com wrote:
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> Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com wrote:
>> Carlos, I did something a bit different.
>>
>> I can see from David Maib's photo that he has a Stein panel blank as
>> well as Steins eyeball vent. I used the same panel blank and vent but
>> instead of mounting it below the panel, I put the vent on the panel and
>> ran a piece of SCAT (I actually used CEET for the color and so that the
>> wire is covered, won't rust and it has less internal friction to air
>> flow). Take a look here:
>> http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=5253&log=66090&row=6
>>
>> It turns out that you can do a minimum radius 360 turn with the SCAT
>> quite nicely. I just added a pic showing it finished:
>> http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=5253&log=170694&row=1
>>
>>
>>
>> The SCAT (or CEET) is slightly visible underneath the panel but is
>> completely non-obtrusive. I think the vent looks best mounted in the
>> panel. Makes a nice water trap if that's a problem (I guess it isn't
>> because I've never heard anyone complain about it)
>>
>> Bill "having just been reminded that it's bird nesting season... do they
>> always build on cylinders 1-3-5" Watson
>
> That is a really nice looking air vent installation, Bill. Maybe on my next airplane.................
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> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
> Transition Trainer
> New Smyrna Beach, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
I've been reading this thread with great interest as I want to put electron
ic ignition on my -10.
Sure seems like that there are a LOT of coil failures. Guys are saying that
they really like the systems after they have to replace at least one coil.
This the case?
> From: ibspud@roadrunner.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
> Date: Wed=2C 15 May 2013 20:40:29 -0700
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> 800 hours on my RV-10 with a Slick mag and Lightspeed electronic ignition
.
> Only problem with the Lightspeed was a coil failure 200 hours ago. On sec
ond
> mag with several incidents. Love the Lightspeed. Good service on getting
the
> coil and plugs as needed.
> Albert Gardner
> N9914RV
> Yuma=2C AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
[quote="jdriggs49(at)msn.com"]I've been reading this thread with great interest
as I want to put electronic ignition on my -10.
Sure seems like that there are a LOT of coil failures. Guys are saying that they
really like the systems after they have to replace at least one coil. This the
case?
> From: ibspud@roadrunner.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Re: Electronic Ignition
> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 20:40:29 -0700
>
>
>
> 800 hours on my RV-10 with a Slick mag and Lightspeed electronic ignition
I have about 650 hours and almost five years with no coil problems. In fact, no
problems at all. (I hope saying this doesn't jinx me!) I believe Klaus recommends
that you replace spark plug wires about every three years or so to reduce
stress on the coils. I also have read that keeping plugs gapped properly reduces
stress on the coils. Since I am providing transition training, I have to do
100 hour condition inspections, so am replacing the plugs about every 8 or 9
months. The plugs are cheap, so I don't mind that at all. As previously mentioned,
the connections on the coils are very important. I also have a plenum, and
almost always open my oil door after shutting down to vent heat from the plenum.
My main reason for doing this was to help start the hot engine, but perhaps
it has helped my coils as well. After saying all of this, I am going to order
a spare coil today to carry in the airplane. I am very happy with the Lightspeed
EI.
--------
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
Transition Trainer
New Smyrna Beach, FL
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400753#400753
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
I've never had a coil go bad. I'm guessing most of those
are probably heat related though, if you park hot and don't
open the oil door and vent that heat. Just a guess anyway.
1.5 short of 950 hours on the system. I had one of the
pre-cooling-mod units, of much older (before the A's and B's)
lineage, and I did have a problem with that box after
many hundreds of hours. The tach started reading
wrong at times (I think that was a loose socketed IC),
but I had a few instances of the unit not starting. Once
the engine was running it has never missed a beat, but
I had a few days where I'd go out cold and it wouldn't
run. Klaus reworked that and found something in the
power circuit that was intermittent. I don't remember
if it was a solder joint or component. At any rate, I did
have those 2 problems with the box in the same timeframe.
These days though it's back to purring like a kitten.
I'm not sure what I'll do exactly, on the RV-14.
I'll see what Van's offering will be, but if it doesn't
have E.I., I will most likely go Lightspeed based on
all the quantity of units there are that I've heard good
things on. I personally fly lots with Scott and Sean
and other RV10's with Lightspeed and everyone has pretty
much good luck. It has the hottest spark you can
fire, and I listened first hand one day as someone
told Klaus that they don't think their wife would be
alive without the system, as the spark had to fire
through an oily cylinder as their engine came apart,
and the lightspeed kept it running....that guy was
totally sold on it.
So I'd do it again with no problems. I do also
have one other thing that I'm kind of doing with
some critical components....I buy spares. I know
it's a lot to put on a shelf, but so many of our products
these days are made by 1 person or 1 company. With
any single source component, especially something
like an electronic ignition, I'd prefer to
have an on-hand spare. If a company owner or key
employee dies, it could be really handy. Heck, even
with my TruTrak, I'm finding that it may be nice to
have a spare AP control head, because some of the newer
software may break some functions. But I haven't
splurged on that yet. I do have spare EFIS's though,
or is that EFII in plural?
Tim
On 5/16/2013 11:11 AM, dmaib@me.com wrote:
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> [quote="jdriggs49(at)msn.com"]I've been reading this thread with great interest
as I want to put electronic ignition on my -10.
> Sure seems like that there are a LOT of coil failures. Guys are saying that they
really like the systems after they have to replace at least one coil. This
the case?
>
>
>> From: ibspud@roadrunner.com
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Re: Electronic Ignition
>> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 20:40:29 -0700
>>
>>
>>
>> 800 hours on my RV-10 with a Slick mag and Lightspeed electronic ignition
>
>
> I have about 650 hours and almost five years with no coil problems. In fact,
no problems at all. (I hope saying this doesn't jinx me!) I believe Klaus recommends
that you replace spark plug wires about every three years or so to reduce
stress on the coils. I also have read that keeping plugs gapped properly reduces
stress on the coils. Since I am providing transition training, I have to
do 100 hour condition inspections, so am replacing the plugs about every 8 or
9 months. The plugs are cheap, so I don't mind that at all. As previously mentioned,
the connections on the coils are very important. I also have a plenum,
and almost always open my oil door after shutting down to vent heat from the
plenum. My main reason for doing this was to help start the hot engine, but perhaps
it has helped my coils as well. After saying all of this, I am going to
order a spare coil today to carry in the airplane. I am very happy with the Lightspeed
EI.
>
> --------
> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
> Transition Trainer
> New Smyrna Beach, FL
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
As I said before.... we think the coil problems originate because of heat..
.. the heat generated ONLY when you STOP the engine.... no different in car
s.- If you're on a ramp, you can make sure you're pointing into the wind,
but in a hangar, just set up a fan blowing into the intake.
Don
--- On Thu, 5/16/13, dmaib@me.com <dmaib@me.com> wrote:
From: dmaib@me.com <dmaib@me.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
[quote="jdriggs49(at)msn.com"]I've been reading this thread with great in
terest as I want to put electronic ignition on my -10.
Sure seems like that there are a LOT of coil failures. Guys are saying that
they really like the systems after they have to replace at least one coil.
This the case?
>- From: ibspud@roadrunner.com
>- To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>- Subject: RE: Re: Electronic Ignition
>- Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 20:40:29 -0700
>-
>-
>-
>- 800 hours on my RV-10 with a Slick mag and Lightspeed electronic ignit
ion
I have about 650 hours and almost five years with no coil problems. In fact
, no problems at all. (I hope saying this doesn't jinx me!) I believe Klaus
recommends that you replace spark plug wires about every three years or so
to reduce stress on the coils. I also have read that keeping plugs gapped
properly reduces stress on the coils. Since I am providing transition train
ing, I have to do 100 hour condition inspections, so am replacing the plugs
about every 8 or 9 months. The plugs are cheap, so I don't mind that at al
l. As previously mentioned, the connections on the coils are very important
. I also have a plenum, and almost always open my oil door after shutting d
own to vent heat from the plenum. My main reason for doing this was to help
start the hot engine, but perhaps it has helped my coils as well. After sa
ying all of this, I am going to order a spare coil today to carry in the ai
rplane. I am very happy with the Lightspeed EI.
--------
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
Transition Trainer
New Smyrna Beach, FL
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400753#400753
le, List Admin.
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According to the statistics Electronic ignitions fail 16% of the time,
(Twice as much as magnetos)
Magnetos fail 8% of the time.
If it's not broken, why fix it?
Interesting, I don't think they have got there yet.
N10KQ
91Hrs
Bendix Magneto
Shower of Sparks
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 7:38 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
I've been reading this thread with great interest as I want to put
electronic ignition on my -10.
Sure seems like that there are a LOT of coil failures. Guys are saying that
they really like the systems after they have to replace at least one coil.
This the case?
> From: ibspud@roadrunner.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 20:40:29 -0700
>
>
> 800 hours on my RV-10 with a Slick mag and Lightspeed electronic ignition.
> Only problem with the Lightspeed was a coil failure 200 hours ago. On
second
> mag with several incidents. Love the Lightspeed. Good service on getting
the
> coil and plugs as needed.
> Albert Gardner
> N9914RV
> Yum
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
I prefer the mixed set up of one EI and one mag. I love the set up on my 8A
with one Pmag. I won't run dual anything but Mags however I prefer the bet
ter burn of EI and with a single EI you get almost all the benefit of havin
g dual EI but still have a good old Mag to rely upon.
I would consider two different EI but not two of the same EIs.
I wish the 6 cylinder pmag were available (and fully tested)
Robin
JimVillani <Jim@JimVillani.com> wrote:
According to the statistics Electronic ignitions fail 16% of the time,
(Twice as much as magnetos)
Magnetos fail 8% of the time=85
If it=92s not broken, why fix it?
Interesting, I don=92t think they have got there yet=85
N10KQ
91Hrs
Bendix Magneto
Shower of Sparks
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 7:38 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
I've been reading this thread with great interest as I want to put electron
ic ignition on my -10.
Sure seems like that there are a LOT of coil failures. Guys are saying that
they really like the systems after they have to replace at least one coil.
This the case?
> From: ibspud@roadrunner.com<mailto:ibspud@roadrunner.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 20:40:29 -0700
>
mailto:ibspud@roadrunner.com>>
>
> 800 hours on my RV-10 with a Slick mag and Lightspeed electronic ignition
.
> Only problem with the Lightspeed was a coil failure 200 hours ago. On sec
ond
> mag with several incidents. Love the Lightspeed. Good service on getting
the
> coil and plugs as needed.
> Albert Gardner
> N9914RV
> Yum
>
>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
FWIW, this is one of the reasons I went with the split decision, one
electronic ignition and one magneto. I've read consistently that 95% of
the gain in performance is made with the first electronic ignition
making the second one of little value regarding performance increases.
With a magneto on board I also don't need the backup battery system. A
lot of folks have done a great job with those and are quite pleased, I
just didn't want the hassle when a magneto which nicely provides a
reliable back in case of an electric failure (which I have had). Having
said that, I sure love only spending $1.50 on spark plugs for the
Lightspeed!
Marcus
On May 16, 2013, at 1:05 PM, JimVillani <Jim@jimvillani.com> wrote:
According to the statistics Electronic ignitions fail 16% of the time,
(Twice as much as magnetos)
Magnetos fail 8% of the time=85
If it=92s not broken, why fix it?
Interesting, I don=92t think they have got there yet=85
N10KQ
91Hrs
Bendix Magneto
Shower of Sparks
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 7:38 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
I've been reading this thread with great interest as I want to put
electronic ignition on my -10.
Sure seems like that there are a LOT of coil failures. Guys are saying
that they really like the systems after they have to replace at least
one coil. This the case?
> From: ibspud@roadrunner.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 20:40:29 -0700
>
<ibspud@roadrunner.com>
>
> 800 hours on my RV-10 with a Slick mag and Lightspeed electronic
ignition.
> Only problem with the Lightspeed was a coil failure 200 hours ago. On
second
> mag with several incidents. Love the Lightspeed. Good service on
getting the
> coil and plugs as needed.
> Albert Gardner
> N9914RV
> Yum
>
>
>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
I feel about the same. I wouldn't ever be happy anymore with
2 Mags. Reliability wise I've actually had more worrysome
issues with planes over the years with mags than with the
lightspeed on one side. I'm not sure where those statistics
came from exactly, but especially with that last
Slick AD I'm not sure I'd believe them. Maybe Bendix
would be a different story. These days nobody runs
points and mags in a car....and even in my boat one of the
best things I did in the last year was swap the points
for an electronic trigger module. So one side has to be
E.I. for me.
But, just like Robin says, I don't know that I'd want to put
TWO of anything on the engine yet. If I did have 2, I don't
think the lightspeed would be my choice on the RV-10, because
you'd still have one crank sensor. And given the Looooooong
time to market and broken promises of pMag for the 6, I think
I'd want to see a few hundred flying, for a few 10's of
thousands of hours before I'd dive in. It wouldn't take but
a couple years for them to develop a track record one way
or the other...and I have to assume that if they were
reliable right now, they would be AVAILABLE right now, because
there certainly is a market for them once they are
released. I can only assume that it's because of issues
that they aren't making it to market...so I'll want to
see a track record before I'd go that route.
In the end, I'm very happy to have only 1 mag to overhaul,
but even happier that the engine runs best on that one
EI. I would prefer to keep that same type of
arrangement down the road...I'm not an "all eggs in 1
basket" kind of guy.
Tim
On 5/16/2013 12:20 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
> I prefer the mixed set up of one EI and one mag. I love the set up on my 8A with
one Pmag. I won't run dual anything but Mags however I prefer the better burn
of EI and with a single EI you get almost all the benefit of having dual EI
but still have a good old Mag to rely upon.
> I would consider two different EI but not two of the same EIs.
> I wish the 6 cylinder pmag were available (and fully tested)
>
> Robin
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
Hey Danny,
Wow, I didn't know that was yours! yeah, Leon did
take good care of us. He had the closest unlocked
bathroom we could find, and then he drove us to get
a bite to eat. If it wouldn't have been for that
gesture, I wouldn't have made it home that night.
We were going to go for St. Louis and stop, but
decided to stick with the best "sure deal" flying
weather and scoot all the way home that night.
Funny you were in Utah...the other RV-10's
we were with earlier that day were headed there.
Another fun trip!
Tim
do not archive
On 5/16/2013 11:54 AM, Danny Riggs wrote:
> Tim,
> I understand that you made an "emergency" Emoji stop in Tennessee about a
> two weeks ago. That was my black and white RV-10 in the hanger waiting
> on its engine. Dan Riggs
> Okay......one of his girls had to "pee right now!"
> I would have liked to met you but was in Utah watching my daughter run a
> triathalon. Leon said he took good care of you.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
Speaking of plugs...
I'm running the same iridium plugs I have been for so many
hours on the bottom now...Aircraft Plugs. But on the top
my last swap I went with the Denso Iridium plugs.
You can get them for almost the same price as the denso
W24EMR-C plugs that I got with the system now, since those
went up in price. (I know, I could save an by NGK or something)
But the iridium has worked good and you could probably run
those for 1000 hours with no problem. So that's what
I've been running now for a bit over 100 hours.
It is nice that they're cheaper. I don't mind the
iridium aviation plugs on the bottom though. I think those
actually provide the better value long-term too as
opposed to the massives...and they're certainly easier
to clean.
Tim
On 5/16/2013 12:40 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
> FWIW, this is one of the reasons I went with the split decision, one
> electronic ignition and one magneto. I've read consistently that 95% of
> the gain in performance is made with the first electronic ignition
> making the second one of little value regarding performance increases.
> With a magneto on board I also don't need the backup battery system.
> A lot of folks have done a great job with those and are quite pleased,
> I just didn't want the hassle when a magneto which nicely provides a
> reliable back in case of an electric failure (which I have had). Having
> said that, I sure love only spending $1.50 on spark plugs for the
> Lightspeed!
>
> Marcus
>
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Gentlemen/ladies... I will be starting my -10 fuse in June and quickly approaching
$40k invested. I am curious as to your thoughts on insurance (preflight).
My concern is simple. I don't want to get 99% done only to have the components
destroyed by mother nature. I am building it in my garage and storing the
components in a dry, 40% humidity controlled basement. Did any of you have some
type of builders insurance? Appreciate your thoughts/suggestions/recommendations.
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I have a Builder's Policy (officially Ground Not in Motion - Builder's Risk) through
Falcon (via USAA which has all my other policies).
--------
Todd Stovall
aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace
RV-10 N728TT
Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing
www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400776#400776
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
If you have one mag and one EI=2C do you run the mag all the time with the
EI or is the EI sufficent by itself and the mag for backup?
From: cooprv7@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
FWIW=2C this is one of the reasons I went with the split decision=2C one el
ectronic ignition and one magneto. I've read consistently that 95% of the
gain in performance is made with the first electronic ignition making the s
econd one of little value regarding performance increases. With a magneto
on board I also don't need the backup battery system. A lot of folks have
done a great job with those and are quite pleased=2C I just didn't want the
hassle when a magneto which nicely provides a reliable back in case of an
electric failure (which I have had). Having said that=2C I sure love only
spending $1.50 on spark plugs for the Lightspeed!
Marcus
On May 16=2C 2013=2C at 1:05 PM=2C JimVillani <Jim@jimvillani.com> wrote:Ac
cording to the statistics Electronic ignitions fail 16% of the time=2C(Twic
e as much as magnetos)Magnetos fail 8% of the time=85If it=92s not broken
=2C why fix it?Interesting=2C I don=92t think they have got there yet=85N10
KQ91HrsBendix MagnetoShower of SparksFrom: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics
.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs
Sent: Thursday=2C May 16=2C 2013 7:38 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition I've been reading this thre
ad with great interest as I want to put electronic ignition on my -10.
Sure seems like that there are a LOT of coil failures. Guys are saying that
they really like the systems after they have to replace at least one coil.
This the case?> From: ibspud@roadrunner.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
> Date: Wed=2C 15 May 2013 20:40:29 -0700
>
>
> 800 hours on my RV-10 with a Slick mag and Lightspeed electronic ignition
.
> Only problem with the Lightspeed was a coil failure 200 hours ago. On sec
ond
> mag with several incidents. Love the Lightspeed. Good service on getting
the
> coil and plugs as needed.
> Albert Gardner
> N9914RV
> Yum
>
>
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Hi Terry,
Contact your homeowners insurance agent, you may already be covered. Worst case
is having a "Rider" added to your current policy for a few dollars.
Cheers,
Jim
On May 16, 2013, at 1:25 PM, Terry Moushon <tmoushon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Gentlemen/ladies... I will be starting my -10 fuse in June and quickly approaching
$40k invested. I am curious as to your thoughts on insurance (preflight).
My concern is simple. I don't want to get 99% done only to have the components
destroyed by mother nature. I am building it in my garage and storing the
components in a dry, 40% humidity controlled basement. Did any of you have
some type of builders insurance? Appreciate your thoughts/suggestions/recommendations.
>
>
>
>
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I hate insurance!!!!
Since it's in your garage, I'd talk to your homeowners insurance agent
..... they may put a rider on your policy.
Barring that, just a 'not in motion' policy with any aviation insurance
company might work.
Linn
On 5/16/2013 2:25 PM, Terry Moushon wrote:
>
> Gentlemen/ladies... I will be starting my -10 fuse in June and quickly approaching
$40k invested. I am curious as to your thoughts on insurance (preflight).
My concern is simple. I don't want to get 99% done only to have the components
destroyed by mother nature. I am building it in my garage and storing the
components in a dry, 40% humidity controlled basement. Did any of you have
some type of builders insurance? Appreciate your thoughts/suggestions/recommendations.
>
>
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Your can get builder's insurance for about 1% of the insured value. I purchased
insurance about halfway through the project. Then when you make the next
major investment, just update the insured value.
Sent from my iPad
On May 16, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Terry Moushon <tmoushon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Gentlemen/ladies... I will be starting my -10 fuse in June and quickly approaching
$40k invested. I am curious as to your thoughts on insurance (preflight).
My concern is simple. I don't want to get 99% done only to have the components
destroyed by mother nature. I am building it in my garage and storing the
components in a dry, 40% humidity controlled basement. Did any of you have
some type of builders insurance? Appreciate your thoughts/suggestions/recommendations.
>
>
>
>
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I would be surprised if any homeowners policy would cover the build. I know there
are exceptions, but I suspect they are in the minority.
Sent from my iPad
On May 16, 2013, at 2:48 PM, James Dearborn <jdearborn@mac.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Terry,
>
> Contact your homeowners insurance agent, you may already be covered. Worst case
is having a "Rider" added to your current policy for a few dollars.
>
> Cheers,
> Jim
>
> On May 16, 2013, at 1:25 PM, Terry Moushon <tmoushon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Gentlemen/ladies... I will be starting my -10 fuse in June and quickly approaching
$40k invested. I am curious as to your thoughts on insurance (preflight).
My concern is simple. I don't want to get 99% done only to have the components
destroyed by mother nature. I am building it in my garage and storing
the components in a dry, 40% humidity controlled basement. Did any of you have
some type of builders insurance? Appreciate your thoughts/suggestions/recommendations.
>
>
>
>
>
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Both run all the time with the exception of Run Up & Testing.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:48 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
If you have one mag and one EI, do you run the mag all the time with the EI
or is the EI sufficent by itself and the mag for backup?
________________________________
From: cooprv7@yahoo.com<mailto:cooprv7@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
FWIW, this is one of the reasons I went with the split decision, one electr
onic ignition and one magneto. I've read consistently that 95% of the gain
in performance is made with the first electronic ignition making the secon
d one of little value regarding performance increases. With a magneto on b
oard I also don't need the backup battery system. A lot of folks have done
a great job with those and are quite pleased, I just didn't want the hassl
e when a magneto which nicely provides a reliable back in case of an electr
ic failure (which I have had). Having said that, I sure love only spending
$1.50 on spark plugs for the Lightspeed!
Marcus
On May 16, 2013, at 1:05 PM, JimVillani <Jim@jimvillani.com<mailto:Jim@jimv
illani.com>> wrote:
According to the statistics Electronic ignitions fail 16% of the time,
(Twice as much as magnetos)
Magnetos fail 8% of the time...
If it's not broken, why fix it?
Interesting, I don't think they have got there yet...
N10KQ
91Hrs
Bendix Magneto
Shower of Sparks
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ma
tronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list-
server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 7:38 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
I've been reading this thread with great interest as I want to put electron
ic ignition on my -10.
Sure seems like that there are a LOT of coil failures. Guys are saying that
they really like the systems after they have to replace at least one coil.
This the case?
> From: ibspud@roadrunner.com<mailto:ibspud@roadrunner.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 20:40:29 -0700
>
mailto:ibspud@roadrunner.com>>
>
> 800 hours on my RV-10 with a Slick mag and Lightspeed electronic ignition
.
> Only problem with the Lightspeed was a coil failure 200 hours ago. On sec
ond
> mag with several incidents. Love the Lightspeed. Good service on getting
the
> coil and plugs as needed.
> Albert Gardner
> N9914RV
> Yum
>
>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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There is a catch-22, at least for me when I researched, to get builder's
insurance you need an N-number. Have you are you ready to pay any state
sales/use tax? I have been told that if you end up selling the project to
someone problems can be caused if you already have it registered in your
name, don't know if this is true.
Bill Greenley
Waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance
Your can get builder's insurance for about 1% of the insured value. I
purchased insurance about halfway through the project. Then when you make
the next major investment, just update the insured value.
Sent from my iPad
On May 16, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Terry Moushon <tmoushon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Gentlemen/ladies... I will be starting my -10 fuse in June and quickly
approaching $40k invested. I am curious as to your thoughts on insurance
(preflight). My concern is simple. I don't want to get 99% done only to
have the components destroyed by mother nature. I am building it in my
garage and storing the components in a dry, 40% humidity controlled
basement. Did any of you have some type of builders insurance? Appreciate
your thoughts/suggestions/recommendations.
>
>
>
>
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I run both all the time just as if it was dual mags. I'm sure the EI
would be sufficient, but I don't want it to get real quiet if one quits.
Marcus
On May 16, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Danny Riggs <jdriggs49@msn.com> wrote:
If you have one mag and one EI, do you run the mag all the time with the
EI or is the EI sufficent by itself and the mag for backup?
From: cooprv7@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
FWIW, this is one of the reasons I went with the split decision, one
electronic ignition and one magneto. I've read consistently that 95% of
the gain in performance is made with the first electronic ignition
making the second one of little value regarding performance increases.
With a magneto on board I also don't need the backup battery system. A
lot of folks have done a great job with those and are quite pleased, I
just didn't want the hassle when a magneto which nicely provides a
reliable back in case of an electric failure (which I have had). Having
said that, I sure love only spending $1.50 on spark plugs for the
Lightspeed!
Marcus
On May 16, 2013, at 1:05 PM, JimVillani <Jim@jimvillani.com> wrote:
According to the statistics Electronic ignitions fail 16% of the time,
(Twice as much as magnetos)
Magnetos fail 8% of the time=85
If it=92s not broken, why fix it?
Interesting, I don=92t think they have got there yet=85
N10KQ
91Hrs
Bendix Magneto
Shower of Sparks
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 7:38 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
I've been reading this thread with great interest as I want to put
electronic ignition on my -10.
Sure seems like that there are a LOT of coil failures. Guys are saying
that they really like the systems after they have to replace at least
one coil. This the case?
> From: ibspud@roadrunner.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 20:40:29 -0700
>
<ibspud@roadrunner.com>
>
> 800 hours on my RV-10 with a Slick mag and Lightspeed electronic
ignition.
> Only problem with the Lightspeed was a coil failure 200 hours ago. On
second
> mag with several incidents. Love the Lightspeed. Good service on
getting the
> coil and plugs as needed.
> Albert Gardner
> N9914RV
> Yum
>
>
>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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They both run all the time.
Tim
On 5/16/2013 1:47 PM, Danny Riggs wrote:
> If you have one mag and one EI, do you run the mag all the time with the
> EI or is the EI sufficent by itself and the mag for backup?
>
> -----------------
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wgreenley wrote:
> There is a catch-22, at least for me when I researched, to get builder's
> insurance you need an N-number. Have you are you ready to pay any state
> sales/use tax? I have been told that if you end up selling the project to
> someone problems can be caused if you already have it registered in your
> name, don't know if this is true.
> Bill Greenley
> Waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
>
> --
Not sure about the N-number needed for builder's insurance. But what I do know
is it won't trigger a tax bill until you actually register it with the FAA.
The reason is you can have an N-number reserved (not the same as registration)
and tell the insurance company that's the N-number that you plan to use for the
kit (it's what I did but I don't recall it being mandatory--I simply already
had an N-number so used it when I filled out the forms). Anyway, until you
actually send in the registration forms to assign that number to the kit, it really
doesn't exist as far as the government is concerned hence no worries about
tax.
And as a data point my homeowners policy (USAA) wouldn't cover my kit so I had
to get a separate policy.
--------
Todd Stovall
aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace
RV-10 N728TT
Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing
www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400791#400791
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I've dealt with Jenny at NationAir for 2 build projects, this is the
first I've ever heard of the "N-number" requirement.
www.nationair.com
http://www.nationair.com/private/specialty/vans.php
They have a special program just for Vans aircraft.
Coverage was inexpensive and even covered your hourly logged build time
in addition to materials cost. Once it's under its own power, you are no
longer covered.
--Ron
On Thu, 2013-05-16 at 15:16 -0400, William Greenley wrote:
>
> There is a catch-22, at least for me when I researched, to get builder's
> insurance you need an N-number.
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
I have 2 of the smaller Oddysys batteries, and they have a separate wire ru
nning from each to 2 seperate circuit breakers, and then to 2ea. 3 position
switches.=C2- (So they're totally independent)=C2- I can turn every co
mponent in the plane off, as well as both masters, and the Lightspeeds keep
right on going.=C2- IIRC they can run as long as the battery voltage is
above 5 volts.
--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
FWIW, this is one of the reasons I went with the split decision, one electr
onic ignition and one magneto. =C2-I've read consistently that 95% of the
gain in performance is made with the first electronic ignition making the
second one of little value regarding performance increases. =C2-With a ma
gneto on board I also don't need the backup battery system. =C2-A lot of
folks have done a great job with those and are quite pleased, I just didn't
want the hassle when a magneto which nicely provides a reliable back in ca
se of an electric failure (which I have had). =C2-Having said that, I sur
e love only spending $1.50 on spark plugs for the Lightspeed!
Marcus
On May 16, 2013, at 1:05 PM, JimVillani <Jim@jimvillani.com> wrote:
According to the statistics Electronic ignitions fail 16% of the time,(Twic
e as much as magnetos)Magnetos fail 8% of the timeIf it=99s
not broken, why fix it?Interesting, I don=99t think they have got the
re yetN10KQ91HrsBendix MagnetoShower of SparksFrom:=C2-owner-rv1
0-list-server@matronics.com=C2-[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.c
om]=C2-On Behalf Of=C2-Danny Riggs
Sent:=C2-Thursday, May 16, 2013 7:38 AM
To:=C2-rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject:=C2-RE: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition =C2-I've been readin
g this thread with great interest as I want to put electronic ignition on m
y -10.
Sure seems like that there are a LOT of coil failures. Guys are saying that
they really like the systems after they have to replace at least one coil.
This the case?> From:=C2-ibspud@roadrunner.com
> To:=C2-rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 20:40:29 -0700
>=C2-
>=C2-
> 800 hours on my RV-10 with a Slick mag and Lightspeed electronic ignition
.
> Only problem with the Lightspeed was a coil failure 200 hours ago. On sec
ond
> mag with several incidents. Love the Lightspeed. Good service on getting
the
> coil and plugs as needed.
> Albert Gardner
> N9914RV
> Yum
>=C2-
>=C2-
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onics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution=C2-=0A=0Astyle="color: p
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I checked my homeowners policy with AAA a read through it. There is a specific
clause in it that excludes Aircraft and Aircraft parts and it is not available
from them . I did not purchase builders insurance but will do so in the next
few weeks for the big move to a hanger. My work shop where the plane is now is
alarmed and behind the house so I feel pretty secure there. Your really playing
the odds though by not getting builders insurance.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 3:02:23 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance
I would be surprised if any homeowners policy would cover the build. I know there
are exceptions, but I suspect they are in the minority.
Sent from my iPad
On May 16, 2013, at 2:48 PM, James Dearborn <jdearborn@mac.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Terry,
>
> Contact your homeowners insurance agent, you may already be covered. Worst case
is having a "Rider" added to your current policy for a few dollars.
>
> Cheers,
> Jim
>
> On May 16, 2013, at 1:25 PM, Terry Moushon <tmoushon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Gentlemen/ladies... I will be starting my -10 fuse in June and quickly approaching
$40k invested. I am curious as to your thoughts on insurance (preflight).
My concern is simple. I don't want to get 99% done only to have the components
destroyed by mother nature. I am building it in my garage and storing the
components in a dry, 40% humidity controlled basement. Did any of you have some
type of builders insurance? Appreciate your thoughts/suggestions/recommendations.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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When I called Falcon they said they needed an N-Number.
Bill Greenley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 3:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Insurance
wgreenley wrote:
> There is a catch-22, at least for me when I researched, to get
> builder's insurance you need an N-number. Have you are you ready to
> pay any state sales/use tax? I have been told that if you end up
> selling the project to someone problems can be caused if you already
> have it registered in your name, don't know if this is true.
> Bill Greenley
> Waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
>
> --
Not sure about the N-number needed for builder's insurance. But what I do
know is it won't trigger a tax bill until you actually register it with the
FAA. The reason is you can have an N-number reserved (not the same as
registration) and tell the insurance company that's the N-number that you
plan to use for the kit (it's what I did but I don't recall it being
mandatory--I simply already had an N-number so used it when I filled out the
forms). Anyway, until you actually send in the registration forms to assign
that number to the kit, it really doesn't exist as far as the government is
concerned hence no worries about tax.
And as a data point my homeowners policy (USAA) wouldn't cover my kit so I
had to get a separate policy.
--------
Todd Stovall
aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace
RV-10 N728TT
Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing
www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400791#400791
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That's not correct. I had builders insurance through chartis before I registered
my n number.
Sent from my iPad
On May 16, 2013, at 3:16 PM, "William Greenley" <wgreenley@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There is a catch-22, at least for me when I researched, to get builder's
> insurance you need an N-number. Have you are you ready to pay any state
> sales/use tax? I have been told that if you end up selling the project to
> someone problems can be caused if you already have it registered in your
> name, don't know if this is true.
> Bill Greenley
> Waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 3:00 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance
>
>
> Your can get builder's insurance for about 1% of the insured value. I
> purchased insurance about halfway through the project. Then when you make
> the next major investment, just update the insured value.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 16, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Terry Moushon <tmoushon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Gentlemen/ladies... I will be starting my -10 fuse in June and quickly
> approaching $40k invested. I am curious as to your thoughts on insurance
> (preflight). My concern is simple. I don't want to get 99% done only to
> have the components destroyed by mother nature. I am building it in my
> garage and storing the components in a dry, 40% humidity controlled
> basement. Did any of you have some type of builders insurance? Appreciate
> your thoughts/suggestions/recommendations.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
You never want to intentionally run on one ignition system.... those are bi
g jugs we have and firing on only one side for extended periods of time wou
ld no doubt put different stresses on some internal components.=C2- My 2
cents
Don McDonald
--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
I run both all the time just as if it was dual mags. =C2-I'm sure the EI
would be sufficient, but I don't want it to get real quiet if one quits.
Marcus
On May 16, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Danny Riggs <jdriggs49@msn.com> wrote:
If you have one mag and one EI, do you run the mag all the time with the EI
or is the EI sufficent by itself and the mag for backup?
From:=C2-cooprv7@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
To:=C2-rv10-list@matronics.com
FWIW, this is one of the reasons I went with the split decision, one electr
onic ignition and one magneto. =C2-I've read consistently that 95% of the
gain in performance is made with the first electronic ignition making the
second one of little value regarding performance increases. =C2-With a ma
gneto on board I also don't need the backup battery system. =C2-A lot of
folks have done a great job with those and are quite pleased, I just didn't
want the hassle when a magneto which nicely provides a reliable back in ca
se of an electric failure (which I have had). =C2-Having said that, I sur
e love only spending $1.50 on spark plugs for the Lightspeed!
Marcus
On May 16, 2013, at 1:05 PM, JimVillani <Jim@jimvillani.com> wrote:
According to the statistics Electronic ignitions fail 16% of the time,(Twic
e as much as magnetos)Magnetos fail 8% of the timeIf it=99s
not broken, why fix it?Interesting, I don=99t think they have got the
re yetN10KQ91HrsBendix MagnetoShower of SparksFrom:=C2-owner-rv1
0-list-server@matronics.com=C2-[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.c
om]=C2-On Behalf Of=C2-Danny Riggs
Sent:=C2-Thursday, May 16, 2013 7:38 AM
To:=C2-rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject:=C2-RE: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition=C2-I've been reading
this thread with great interest as I want to put electronic ignition on my
-10.
Sure seems like that there are a LOT of coil failures. Guys are saying that
they really like the systems after they have to replace at least one coil.
This the case?> From:=C2-ibspud@roadrunner.com
> To:=C2-rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 20:40:29 -0700
>=C2-
>=C2-
> 800 hours on my RV-10 with a Slick mag and Lightspeed electronic ignition
.
> Only problem with the Lightspeed was a coil failure 200 hours ago. On sec
ond
> mag with several incidents. Love the Lightspeed. Good service on getting
the
> coil and plugs as needed.
> Albert Gardner
> N9914RV
> Yum
>=C2-
>=C2-
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
I did the same thing as Marcus with the same rationale. I paid $100 for an
extra coil and keep it in my tool bag.
-Rob
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I run both all the time just as if it was dual mags. I'm sure the EI
> would be sufficient, but I don't want it to get real quiet if one quits.
>
> Marcus
>
> On May 16, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Danny Riggs <jdriggs49@msn.com> wrote:
>
> If you have one mag and one EI, do you run the mag all the time with the
> EI or is the EI sufficent by itself and the mag for backup?
>
> ------------------------------
> From: cooprv7@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 13:40:44 -0400
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
> FWIW, this is one of the reasons I went with the split decision, one
> electronic ignition and one magneto. I've read consistently that 95% of
> the gain in performance is made with the first electronic ignition making
> the second one of little value regarding performance increases. With a
> magneto on board I also don't need the backup battery system. A lot of
> folks have done a great job with those and are quite pleased, I just didn
't
> want the hassle when a magneto which nicely provides a reliable back in
> case of an electric failure (which I have had). Having said that, I sure
> love only spending $1.50 on spark plugs for the Lightspeed!
>
> Marcus
>
> On May 16, 2013, at 1:05 PM, JimVillani <Jim@jimvillani.com> wrote:
>
> According to the statistics Electronic ignitions fail 16% of the time,
> (Twice as much as magnetos)
> Magnetos fail 8% of the time=85
> If it=92s not broken, why fix it?
> Interesting, I don=92t think they have got there yet=85
> N10KQ
> 91Hrs
> Bendix Magneto
> Shower of Sparks
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Danny Riggs
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 16, 2013 7:38 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
>
> I've been reading this thread with great interest as I want to put
> electronic ignition on my -10.
> Sure seems like that there are a LOT of coil failures. Guys are saying
> that they really like the systems after they have to replace at least one
> coil. This the case?
> > From: ibspud@roadrunner.com
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
> > Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 20:40:29 -0700
> >
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> > 800 hours on my RV-10 with a Slick mag and Lightspeed electronic
> ignition.
> > Only problem with the Lightspeed was a coil failure 200 hours ago. On
> second
> > mag with several incidents. Love the Lightspeed. Good service on gettin
g
> the
> > coil and plugs as needed.
> > Albert Gardner
> > N9914RV
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Apparently from what people are writing it is only Falcon that requires
this. I have my 172 with them as they were they cheapest so had assumed
since they worked with the EAA they would be the best for this also.
Bill Greenley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance
That's not correct. I had builders insurance through chartis before I
registered my n number.
Sent from my iPad
On May 16, 2013, at 3:16 PM, "William Greenley" <wgreenley@gmail.com> wrote:
> --> <wgreenley@gmail.com>
>
> There is a catch-22, at least for me when I researched, to get
> builder's insurance you need an N-number. Have you are you ready to
> pay any state sales/use tax? I have been told that if you end up
> selling the project to someone problems can be caused if you already
> have it registered in your name, don't know if this is true.
> Bill Greenley
> Waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 3:00 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance
>
>
> Your can get builder's insurance for about 1% of the insured value. I
> purchased insurance about halfway through the project. Then when you
> make the next major investment, just update the insured value.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 16, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Terry Moushon <tmoushon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Gentlemen/ladies... I will be starting my -10 fuse in June and
>> quickly
> approaching $40k invested. I am curious as to your thoughts on
> insurance (preflight). My concern is simple. I don't want to get 99%
> done only to have the components destroyed by mother nature. I am
> building it in my garage and storing the components in a dry, 40%
> humidity controlled basement. Did any of you have some type of
> builders insurance? Appreciate your thoughts/suggestions/recommendations.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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They need an N number for tracking purposes. Just use the one you have
reserved with the FAA (assuming you do).
-Rob
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>
> That's not correct. I had builders insurance through chartis before I
> registered my n number.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 16, 2013, at 3:16 PM, "William Greenley" <wgreenley@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > There is a catch-22, at least for me when I researched, to get builder's
> > insurance you need an N-number. Have you are you ready to pay any state
> > sales/use tax? I have been told that if you end up selling the project to
> > someone problems can be caused if you already have it registered in your
> > name, don't know if this is true.
> > Bill Greenley
> > Waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
> > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 3:00 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance
> >
> >
> > Your can get builder's insurance for about 1% of the insured value. I
> > purchased insurance about halfway through the project. Then when you
> make
> > the next major investment, just update the insured value.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On May 16, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Terry Moushon <tmoushon@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Gentlemen/ladies... I will be starting my -10 fuse in June and quickly
> > approaching $40k invested. I am curious as to your thoughts on insurance
> > (preflight). My concern is simple. I don't want to get 99% done only to
> > have the components destroyed by mother nature. I am building it in my
> > garage and storing the components in a dry, 40% humidity controlled
> > basement. Did any of you have some type of builders insurance?
> Appreciate
> > your thoughts/suggestions/recommendations.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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RV-10 Flying since March 2011
Woodinville, WA
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
I use them both just as would if you had two mags. Light speed has a very
low-cost readout with a selector switch available that will show rpm,
advance, or atmosphere pressure. While the mag is set at 20 deg BTC, I see
the Lightspeed usually is around 30.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
If you have one mag and one EI, do you run the mag all the time with the EI
or is the EI sufficent by itself and the mag for backup?
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Falcon is only an agent, not an underwriter.
I would be more than happy to forward the name of my agent. She specializes in
aviation insurance. She is local to me in Ohio. I prefer to have an agent I
can talk to in person.
Jenny @ nationair would be another good choice.
Sent from my iPad
On May 16, 2013, at 4:10 PM, "William Greenley" <wgreenley@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Apparently from what people are writing it is only Falcon that requires
> this. I have my 172 with them as they were they cheapest so had assumed
> since they worked with the EAA they would be the best for this also.
> Bill Greenley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 3:50 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance
>
>
> That's not correct. I had builders insurance through chartis before I
> registered my n number.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 16, 2013, at 3:16 PM, "William Greenley" <wgreenley@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> --> <wgreenley@gmail.com>
>>
>> There is a catch-22, at least for me when I researched, to get
>> builder's insurance you need an N-number. Have you are you ready to
>> pay any state sales/use tax? I have been told that if you end up
>> selling the project to someone problems can be caused if you already
>> have it registered in your name, don't know if this is true.
>> Bill Greenley
>> Waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
>> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 3:00 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance
>>
>>
>> Your can get builder's insurance for about 1% of the insured value. I
>> purchased insurance about halfway through the project. Then when you
>> make the next major investment, just update the insured value.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On May 16, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Terry Moushon <tmoushon@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Gentlemen/ladies... I will be starting my -10 fuse in June and
>>> quickly
>> approaching $40k invested. I am curious as to your thoughts on
>> insurance (preflight). My concern is simple. I don't want to get 99%
>> done only to have the components destroyed by mother nature. I am
>> building it in my garage and storing the components in a dry, 40%
>> humidity controlled basement. Did any of you have some type of
>> builders insurance? Appreciate your thoughts/suggestions/recommendations.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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For insurance requirements, my N number is my Van's kit number. I've
had builders insurance since I started the fuse kit in 2005. My policy
shows the N number as N40032. 40032 is my kit serial number. When I
finish and register, the N number on my insurance will be updated to
whatever I register with the FAA.
PJ Seipel
On 5/16/2013 12:16, William Greenley wrote:
>
> There is a catch-22, at least for me when I researched, to get builder's
> insurance you need an N-number. Have you are you ready to pay any state
> sales/use tax? I have been told that if you end up selling the project to
> someone problems can be caused if you already have it registered in your
> name, don't know if this is true.
> Bill Greenley
> Waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 3:00 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance
>
>
> Your can get builder's insurance for about 1% of the insured value. I
> purchased insurance about halfway through the project. Then when you make
> the next major investment, just update the insured value.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 16, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Terry Moushon <tmoushon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Gentlemen/ladies... I will be starting my -10 fuse in June and quickly
> approaching $40k invested. I am curious as to your thoughts on insurance
> (preflight). My concern is simple. I don't want to get 99% done only to
> have the components destroyed by mother nature. I am building it in my
> garage and storing the components in a dry, 40% humidity controlled
> basement. Did any of you have some type of builders insurance? Appreciate
> your thoughts/suggestions/recommendations.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
Does your engine call for 20 degrees advance? I thought all the 250/260 hp
parallel valve engines were 25 degrees advance.
The angle valve engines used to be 25 and Lycoming put out a service
instruction to change them to 20, but don't think it applies to parallel
valve engines.
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Albert Gardner <ibspud@roadrunner.com>wrote:
> I use them both just as would if you had two mags. Light speed has a very
> low-cost readout with a selector switch available that will show rpm,
> advance, or atmosphere pressure. While the mag is set at 20 deg BTC, I see
> the Lightspeed usually is around 30.****
>
> Albert Gardner****
>
> N991RV****
>
> Yuma, AZ****
>
>
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition****
>
> ** **
>
> If you have one mag and one EI, do you run the mag all the time with the
> EI or is the EI sufficent by itself and the mag for backup?****
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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- sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm
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| Subject: | Set up mode g530w |
Anyone knows how to access the setup mode onG530W? I need to change a display
field.
Thanks
Do not archive.
Rob Kermanj
Sent from my iPad
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Hold the enter key on power up until the config page appears
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400822#400822
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Dito Ron for me on all three RV projects.
Dick Sipp
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Walker
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 3:40 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Insurance
I've dealt with Jenny at NationAir for 2 build projects, this is the
first I've ever heard of the "N-number" requirement.
www.nationair.com
http://www.nationair.com/private/specialty/vans.php
They have a special program just for Vans aircraft.
Coverage was inexpensive and even covered your hourly logged build time
in addition to materials cost. Once it's under its own power, you are no
longer covered.
--Ron
On Thu, 2013-05-16 at 15:16 -0400, William Greenley wrote:
>
> There is a catch-22, at least for me when I researched, to get builder's
> insurance you need an N-number.
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