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1. 12:42 AM - Re: Re: Set up mode g530w (Rob Kermanj)
2. 07:37 AM - Cleaning Up Interior (Sean Stephens)
3. 07:53 AM - Re: Cleaning Up Interior ()
4. 08:08 AM - Re: Cleaning Up Interior (Bill Watson)
5. 08:16 AM - Re: Electronic Ignition (hotwheels)
6. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (Bill Watson)
7. 10:51 AM - Locking fuel caps?? (billz)
8. 11:06 AM - Re: Cleaning Up Interior (Sean Stephens)
9. 11:36 AM - Re: Locking fuel caps?? (Steve T)
10. 11:39 AM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (Don McDonald)
11. 11:54 AM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (Robin Marks)
12. 12:49 PM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (John Cox)
13. 01:52 PM - Interior paint (bob88)
14. 02:12 PM - Re: Locking fuel caps?? (dmaib@me.com)
15. 02:19 PM - Re: Electronic Ignition (hotwheels)
16. 03:20 PM - Re: Interior paint (Marcus Cooper)
17. 03:29 PM - Re: Interior paint (Bob Leffler)
18. 04:02 PM - Re: Interior paint (Pascal)
19. 04:13 PM - Re: Interior paint (Jeff Carpenter)
20. 04:43 PM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (JimVillani)
21. 05:28 PM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (Kelly McMullen)
22. 05:44 PM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (Robin Marks)
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| Subject: | Re: Set up mode g530w |
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| Subject: | Cleaning Up Interior |
As I continue in the 90% done 90% to go phase I am looking for
recommendations on a small vac with a small enough nozzle to get into
the netherlands of the tunnel and side channels. Lots of little bits in
there I'd like to get cleaned out before closing up. My shop vac and the
better half's vac accessories are just too big.
-Sean #40303
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| Subject: | Re: Cleaning Up Interior |
Hey Sean,
I just duct taped some plastic hose (similar to Home Depot's irrigation
hose) to the end of my shop vac -- worked just fine for the one time job of
final clean up.
Later, - Lew
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From: Sean Stephens
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 10:37 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Cleaning Up Interior
As I continue in the 90% done 90% to go phase I am looking for
recommendations on a small vac with a small enough nozzle to get into
the netherlands of the tunnel and side channels. Lots of little bits in
there I'd like to get cleaned out before closing up. My shop vac and the
better half's vac accessories are just too big.
-Sean #40303
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| Subject: | Re: Cleaning Up Interior |
I suggest not getting a small vacuum sold for cleaning keyboards and
such. You'll want more suction.
1) Try fabricating your own little nozzle with bits of hose, tubing and
duct tape. Big vac power with a small nozzle.
2) Try this from Avery Economy mini vac
<http://www.averytools.com/prodinfo.asp?number=72155> . It's powered by
compressed air and uses some small diameter tubing as a nozzle. It's
powerful and effective for cleaning out the bilge-like areas. Use ear
protection or regret it... it's loud.
Bill "getting the vacs out for the Starling's nest" Watson
On 5/17/2013 10:37 AM, Sean Stephens wrote:
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> As I continue in the 90% done 90% to go phase I am looking for
> recommendations on a small vac with a small enough nozzle to get into
> the netherlands of the tunnel and side channels. Lots of little bits
> in there I'd like to get cleaned out before closing up. My shop vac
> and the better half's vac accessories are just too big.
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> -Sean #40303
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
Where did these statistics come from? Please cite your reference...
Jay
"According to the statistics Electronic ignitions fail 16% of the time,
(Twice as much as magnetos) Magnetos fail 8% of the time"
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
Is there a consensus on the performance benefits of the electronic
ignition systems on IO540s in '10s (I guess that means Lightspeed)?
In particular, what quantitative benefits have been see.
I'm guessing that someone has done a writeup - link?
Bill "just curious" Watson
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| Subject: | Locking fuel caps?? |
There have been many past reviews of locking gas caps. The general feeling was
Andair and Newton caps worked fine, but had a problem leaking through the key
slot.
1. Is the fuel leaking out (when tanks are full) still an issue or have there been
updated designs??
2. Is rain leaking into the tank an issue with these caps??
3. Any other suggestions for locking fuel caps on the RV-10??
I'm thinking of using the Andair retrofit caps. Is the best source to direct order
them from Andair??
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400857#400857
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| Subject: | Re: Cleaning Up Interior |
Thanks guys. I'll give the hose/duct tape method a go.
On 5/17/13 10:08 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
> I suggest not getting a small vacuum sold for cleaning keyboards and
> such. You'll want more suction.
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> 1) Try fabricating your own little nozzle with bits of hose, tubing
> and duct tape. Big vac power with a small nozzle.
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> 2) Try this from Avery Economy mini vac
> <http://www.averytools.com/prodinfo.asp?number=72155> . It's powered
> by compressed air and uses some small diameter tubing as a nozzle.
> It's powerful and effective for cleaning out the bilge-like areas.
> Use ear protection or regret it... it's loud.
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> Bill "getting the vacs out for the Starling's nest" Watson
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> On 5/17/2013 10:37 AM, Sean Stephens wrote:
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>> recommendations on a small vac with a small enough nozzle to get into
>> the netherlands of the tunnel and side channels. Lots of little bits
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| Subject: | Re: Locking fuel caps?? |
We sell the Andair caps and engrave them if desired.
No leaking through the slots anymore. The problem was fixed a few years ago
and was fixed with a better O ring.
We have them in stock atwww.aircraftspecialty.com.
Please feel free to contact with any questions
Steve
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On May 17, 2013, at 12:50, "billz" <billz@roadrunner.com> wrote:
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> There have been many past reviews of locking gas caps. The general feelin
g was Andair and Newton caps worked fine, but had a problem leaking through t
he key slot.
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> 1. Is the fuel leaking out (when tanks are full) still an issue or have th
ere been updated designs??
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> 2. Is rain leaking into the tank an issue with these caps??
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> 3. Any other suggestions for locking fuel caps on the RV-10??
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ect order them from Andair??
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
Tough one to provide a perfect answer.- It's really about MPG.... and the
MPG can vary a lot depending on winds.- I have seen as low as 15 or as h
igh as 24, but the 24 was at 11,500 with a great tailwind, gps gs of 230mph
on 9.5 gph.- Generally (no wind component) I cruise in the 17 to 18 MPG
range.- I have dual Lightspeed..
Just remember it's NOTjust about gph, it's mpg.
I can pull the rpm back to 2,000, the mp back to 16", and tell you I only b
urn 7.5gph.... but at what speed?
Don McDonald
--- On Fri, 5/17/13, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
Is there a consensus on the performance benefits of the electronic ignition
systems on IO540s in '10s (I guess that means Lightspeed)?
In particular, what quantitative benefits have been see.
I'm guessing that someone has done a writeup - link?
Bill "just curious" Watson
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
56% of all statistics are either wrong or made up... including this one.
Robin
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On May 17, 2013, at 8:22 AM, "hotwheels" <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
I can confirm the accuracy of that statement.
However mags have an advantage. Electronic ignition has an advantage and
Monty Barrett does not support stratling the two on one engine with the
hopes of better horsepower.
Seek out a respected source. Ask about lightning strike redundance.
On May 17, 2013 12:02 PM, "Robin Marks" <robin@painttheweb.com> wrote:
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I would like advice about painting the interior of RV10 cabin. Is a primer needed
over Van's QB wash primer? Specific type of paint for finish coat? At what
point in the build process is best for painting interior?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400866#400866
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| Subject: | Re: Locking fuel caps?? |
billz wrote:
> There have been many past reviews of locking gas caps. The general feeling was
Andair and Newton caps worked fine, but had a problem leaking through the key
slot.
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> 1. Is the fuel leaking out (when tanks are full) still an issue or have there
been updated designs??
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> 2. Is rain leaking into the tank an issue with these caps??
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> 3. Any other suggestions for locking fuel caps on the RV-10??
>
> I'm thinking of using the Andair retrofit caps. Is the best source to direct
order them from Andair??
The issue with the Newton caps leaking through the key slot was solved last summer
when I finally got hold of the right individual at Newton. Here is the thread
over on VAF
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=84869&highlight=newton+fuel+caps
--------
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
Transition Trainer
New Smyrna Beach, FL
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400867#400867
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
Just spoke to LSE regarding my box failure. The box had a dead power transistor
(shorted). Upgraded electronic guts to later version and it's back in the mail.
I received good service and fast turn around.
While I was at it, I asked about power consumption...
Box on, engine off: ~0.2A
Engine at idle power: ~0.8-0.9A
Engine at cruise power: ~2A
Good info to add to the POH.
Cheers,
Jay
hotwheels wrote:
> I have dual Lightspeed Plasma III's on my Lyco IO-540. Using dual batteries and
alternators (Z-14 architecture).
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> LSE start engine on 1-2 blades and there's no discernible RPM drop between A&B
sides during run up. Note that Plasma III boxes require forced cooling and ManP
connections for spark advance. Separate wire runs for coax and sensor wires
prevent EMF issues. Flywheel timing magnets are required (got LSE to do mine).
Behind-prop sensor mounting bracket required drilling/tapping a couple of holes
in the case. It turned out fine, but I puckered the whole time all the same.
Proper connection of coax outputs to respective coil was an interesting exercise
and resulted in a bit of learning on my part.
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> So far, I like 'em... with one caveat: Version "A1" box died at 14 hours while
on the ground and just after engine start (my other box is version B). The
good news is that redundancy worked as expected and the engine just kept right
on turning. Wouldn't have have noticed until run up had the circuit breaker hadn't
popped and warning LED illuminated. I checked the wiring, called LSE support
and sent the offending box in for service. Will report back on whatever is
found. Klaus has been friendly and helpful when I've had questions.
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> Cheers,
> Jay
> N433RV
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| Subject: | Re: Interior paint |
I used appliance epoxy spray can paint, no primer. It worked great, came out
smooth and is holding up well after 7 years and 600 hours. Cheap and easy. I'd
suggest as soon as you get the top on and panels installed is a good time.
Marcus
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On May 17, 2013, at 4:51 PM, "bob88" <marty.crooks@comcast.net> wrote:
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over Van's QB wash primer? Specific type of paint for finish coat? At what
point in the build process is best for painting interior?
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The answer is, it depends. You'll need to consult with the top coat paint
vendor to see if the SW Wash Primer is ok or what appropriate action you'll
need to take. Each top coat paint has different requirements.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob88
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 4:52 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Interior paint
I would like advice about painting the interior of RV10 cabin. Is a primer
needed over Van's QB wash primer? Specific type of paint for finish coat? At
what point in the build process is best for painting interior?
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| Subject: | Re: Interior paint |
I used Sherwin Williams home paint (VOC 0) its industrial strength- easy
clean up.. I applied microballons to the paint to make it thick and fill the
voids. With a thick roller it went on quite nicely. Cheap and easy touch-up,
although I haven't needed to.. Easy to clean after curing as well.
-----Original Message-----
From: bob88
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 1:51 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Interior paint
I would like advice about painting the interior of RV10 cabin. Is a primer
needed over Van's QB wash primer? Specific type of paint for finish coat? At
what point in the build process is best for painting interior?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400866#400866
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| Subject: | Re: Interior paint |
I suggest you get at it before you install the rudder pedals, upper
forward fuselage and the cabin top, as access to areas around the
forward area of the floor is much easier at that point. Also, get the
cabin top while it's off the plane and you can shoot down at it outside.
I used a spatter paint called Zolatone, on a base of Loehle's black
highbuild primer with the intention of keeping things light and not
installing any upholstery anywhere other than the seats.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On May 17, 2013, at 1:51 PM, bob88 wrote:
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> I would like advice about painting the interior of RV10 cabin. Is a
primer needed over Van's QB wash primer? Specific type of paint for
finish coat? At what point in the build process is best for painting
interior?
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
Well,
1st of all
let's look at all of Just the "Matronics Mail" sent in about Electronic
Ignitions within
just the last 2 weeks with "An open Mind"...
1) I never have to "Carry extra coils with my mags in case one fails"
2) I never have to "Open my oil door to let my mag cool off"
3) I can "Fly without any electricity" in my plane with my mags
4) I dont have to "Face my plane into the wind to cool my mags" after any
flight...
5) Mags have at least a "60 year history of reliability"
6) I can get Mag parts (Points) at about any FBO,
Or
I can file them down,
Set the "Gap" with a "match book cover"
And
Make them work to get me home.
Try doing that with EI...
And last but not least...
7) I dont need a "Backup Electronic Ignition" for my mags...
as is "Recommended my most A&P mechanics",
Most all articles written about EI,
Or anyone who has used EI in the past..
And all of that is from the last few weeks of "Matronics mail"......
Havent read much about "Mag Failure" in the last few years...Have you?
I read the stats in a magazine article about reasons why experimental
airplanes
Fail in flight or need emergency landings.
Yes it was on line, and from a reputable source...
The article was written a few months ago,
and confirmed my prior research on EI.
The article did mention than less than 5% of airplanes crash due to
mechanical failure,
The article also mentioned crashes or emergency landings were mostly Pilot
error.
The article went on to talk about engine modifications,
and it did address mags vs EI,
It said mags fail 8% of the time,
and EI failure rate was 16%,
Twice as often as mags...
"Dont Shoot me",
"I am just the messenger"...
I will find the article and post it...
Now I was going to use EI,
but
I elected to have my
Bendix mag completely rebuilt and I also added "Shower of Sparks" to the
system.
For a mire $2500.00 or so.
I must report that they "the mags" and "SOS" have worked flawlessly,
For the 1,000 or so hours in prior planes that I have flown,
And also for the 90 plus hours on my RV-10.
Based in this "cool place" called "Las Vegas" (102 Tuesday)
And...
I never have (or had to) "exert any effort" to "Cool my mag down"
Even after the "hottest flight".
Imagine that...
N10KQ
Las Vegas Nevada
KVGT...
Jim
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
56% of all statistics are either wrong or made up... including this one.
Robin
Do Not Archive
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On May 17, 2013, at 8:22 AM, "hotwheels" <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Where did these statistics come from? Please cite your reference...
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> Jay
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> "According to the statistics Electronic ignitions fail 16% of the
> time, (Twice as much as magnetos) Magnetos fail 8% of the time?"
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
I believe your calculation is at least 50% low. ;-p
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com> wrote
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> On May 17, 2013, at 8:22 AM, "hotwheels" <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > "According to the statistics Electronic ignitions fail 16% of the time,
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
Jim,
I wanted to follow up to make sure you knew my post
>> 56% of all statistics are either wrong or made up... including this one.<<
The "made up" part was referring to the 56% of all statistics... not your post.
It was more of a commentary of all the data we review and when one does not know
the background of a "Stat" it can be meaningless or misleading. I know partially
because I worked with an engineering firm that can cherry pick research data
to best fit their clients' interests. We can all imagine the "expert witness".
Unfortunately the courtroom is no place to dig into the nuances of predictive
modeling and the like.
Back to aviation, I am more sympathetic to your argument. I absolutely want the
efficiency of EI but I don't want two of them.
Excellent post.
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JimVillani
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 4:43 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
Well,
1st of all
let's look at all of Just the "Matronics Mail" sent in about Electronic Ignitions
within just the last 2 weeks with "An open Mind"...
1) I never have to "Carry extra coils with my mags in case one fails"
2) I never have to "Open my oil door to let my mag cool off"
3) I can "Fly without any electricity" in my plane with my mags
4) I don't have to "Face my plane into the wind to cool my mags" after any flight...
5) Mags have at least a "60 year history of reliability"
6) I can get Mag parts (Points) at about any FBO, Or I can file them down, Set
the "Gap" with a "match book cover"
And
Make them work to get me home.
Try doing that with EI...
And last but not least...
7) I don't need a "Backup Electronic Ignition" for my mags...
as is "Recommended my most A&P mechanics", Most all articles written about EI,
Or anyone who has used EI in the past..
And all of that is from the last few weeks of "Matronics mail"......
Haven't read much about "Mag Failure" in the last few years...Have you?
I read the stats in a magazine article about reasons why experimental airplanes
Fail in flight or need emergency landings.
Yes it was on line, and from a reputable source...
The article was written a few months ago, and confirmed my prior research on EI.
The article did mention than less than 5% of airplanes crash due to mechanical
failure, The article also mentioned crashes or emergency landings were mostly
Pilot error.
The article went on to talk about engine modifications, and it did address mags
vs EI,
It said mags fail 8% of the time,
and EI failure rate was 16%,
Twice as often as mags...
"Don't Shoot me",
"I am just the messenger"...
I will find the article and post it...
Now I was going to use EI,
but
I elected to have my
Bendix mag completely rebuilt and I also added "Shower of Sparks" to the system.
For a mire $2500.00 or so.
I must report that they "the mags" and "SOS" have worked flawlessly, For the 1,000
or so hours in prior planes that I have flown, And also for the 90 plus hours
on my RV-10.
Based in this "cool place" called "Las Vegas" (102 Tuesday)
And...
I never have (or had to) "exert any effort" to "Cool my mag down"
Even after the "hottest flight".
Imagine that...
N10KQ
Las Vegas Nevada
KVGT...
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
56% of all statistics are either wrong or made up... including this one.
Robin
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On May 17, 2013, at 8:22 AM, "hotwheels" <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Where did these statistics come from? Please cite your reference...
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> "According to the statistics Electronic ignitions fail 16% of the
> time, (Twice as much as magnetos) Magnetos fail 8% of the time?"
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